[News] Several killed in Connecticut Elementary School Shooting

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GasBandit

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This article is a little intense (actually, it's quite a lot intense), but I think it's very worthwhile.

http://www.xojane.com/issues/on-black-holes-patience-and-what-i-know-to-be-true
Very nice little slice of life subjective story about how emotionality rules what a lot of people consider OK (or not).

I was very "agree on some things, disagree on others, that's ok" about that article until I got to this point:

"These are hollow-points," he exclaimed. "They're meant for piercing armor."
/facepalm. /headdesk.
That was a quote from a cop. He should know better. Hollowpoints are less effective against armor, more effective against unarmored targets. AP and hollowpoint are exact. opposites.

So, anyway... then from there it just descends into hysterics.
 
/facepalm. /headdesk.
That was a quote from a cop. He should know better. Hollowpoints are less effective against armor, more effective against unarmored targets. AP and hollowpoint are exact. opposites.

So, anyway... then from there it just descends into hysterics.
It was an interesting article, but yeah.

Hollow points are meant for breaking apart in soft targets and making sure what you hit will die from internal bleeding and complicate surgery. While I don't think most firearms should be banned, these should be.
 
It was an interesting article, but yeah.

Hollow points are meant for breaking apart in soft targets and making sure what you hit will die from internal bleeding and complicate surgery. While I don't think most firearms should be banned, these should be.
... except many cops and hunters use them to make sure their bullets don't pass through the target or pass through walls/doors if they miss. The fragmenting effect does more than just make them more lethal.
 

GasBandit

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The more I reread (and reread aloud to my significant other) that article, the more I am convinced the whole thing is malarky - there's too many mistakes, too many emotional inconsistencies. Glocks do have a "safety" even if it isn't necessarily a button. No cop, ever, would tell you a hollowpoint is for piercing armor. It just smells more and more off each time I reread it. She's making an error-riddled fallacious appeal to emotion that may in fact be part or entirely fiction. She wants me to "push past her" to discount it? Done.

Never change your mind about any subject based on something that tries to get you to feel instead of think.
 
This was on the front page of the Huffington Post tonight-

TO LIVE AND DIE IN AMERICA


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It does put things into perspective a bit. If this happens on a daily basis and to talk about this epidemic is crass after a shooting, is there ever a good time to talk about it?
 
Ambusher had done 17 years in prison.

Should never have had access to weapons. Was anyone ever paying attention to this guy?

LaPierre does make a valid point. Before we start flooding the books with new gun legislation, we should do an inventory of what laws are already enacted, and how many arrests and convictions those laws have resulted in. Then look at what cases resulted as a consequence of not bothering to enforce those laws.

Somebody's gonna have some 'splainin to do.
 
I'm obviously kind of an outsider on this, but I'm no stranger to fear of gun violence, as you all must know.

I don't think guns are the problem. Guns are difficult as FUCK to get here in Mexico for the average citizen (you have to literally buy them from the army, after rigorous background checks) but that means shit, because evil people aren't average. Drug dealers and psychopaths will find a way to get the guns they need/want, period.

The problem is fear. The problem is that news need 24 hours of content now. The problem is human emotions are incredibly easy to manipulate. The problem is capitalism by definition breeds selfishness and self entitlement. The problem is our culture itself. Yes, our, no Mexican is free of US influence, believe me.

We are poisoned at a fundamental level as a society. Guns aren't the problem. People thinking their needs come before everyone else's is. People saying stuff like "I don't want guns banned, I like my guns" is a very good example of this.... they're putting their own likes over society's needs. We all put our own needs over society's. We're literally raised to do so, if you think about it. And when you have millions and millions of people, you're gonna have millions and millions of variables and of course some of those are going to crack and kill little kids. It's sickening, it's appalling... but it needs to be changed at a generational level, no law or amendment or single President will change that. The entire zeitgeist is rotten.
 

Dave

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Ugh. This makes me sick.

http://news.yahoo.com/claim-seeks-100-million-child-survivor-connecticut-school-003646074.html

My child is safe! The only survivor of the class that was gunned down. The only appropriate response? Sue the fucking school for $100 million! Fuck you, you greedy pricks. I can guarantee there are 20 other sets of parents who wish they were in your shoes.[DOUBLEPOST=1356795153][/DOUBLEPOST]Oh I read that wrong! It's not even the survivor of the class, merely a 6 year old who heard shooting and screaming over the intercom! 'Merica.
 
You can't prosecute what isn't illegal. God dammit I hate the "criminals don't obey laws so lets not have the law" argument.
 
Just the message of that image, mostly. Sorry, I've been assaulted by some monumentally stupid Facebook images dispensing wit such as banning pencils because people misspell words. I just can't take the mentally defunct messaging anymore.
 
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