[TV] Glee is a shitty show with terrible producers

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Chad Sexington

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I guess I don't see the cultural appropriation? It's funny because everyone recognises it as a high-energy, loud, fast song, but he's sung it slowly and in a completely inappropriate style. The strangeness between expectations and reality makes people laugh. I don't know what cultural appropriation is going on here. I don't get the message to be "This song would be better done this way!"
 
Ravenpoe

Ravenpoe

Chad Sexington said:
I guess I don't see the cultural appropriation? It's funny because everyone recognises it as a high-energy, loud, fast song, but he's sung it slowly and in a completely inappropriate style. The strangeness between expectations and reality makes people laugh. I don't know what cultural appropriation is going on here. I don't get the message to be "This song would be better done this way!"
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A white artist is doing something to a black artist's song. Ergo, it must be racist.
 
MindDetective

MindDetective

Charlie Don't Surf said:
JC isn't a white supremacist, he's just following a trend that is, from my previous post, "a mocking form of cultural appropriation".

there's not a really good analogy at all to be made for film, since black voices in cinema are snuffed out for the most part by Hollywood's racism
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Can an artist (of any color) not pay tribute to another artist (of any color)? I mean, geez, he paid for the rights to the song so it isn't even literally any kind of theft.

Also, what is inherently bad about appropriating elements of another culture? Should cultures just be separate and not intermingle or share in any way?
 
Espy

Espy

What about when Alanis Morriset makes a hilarious slow adult contemporary version of Fergie's "My Humps"? Is that offensive?
 
bhamv3

bhamv3

No, the most offensive cover is Miley Cyrus's version of Part of Your World.



Seriously, this song is a white woman appropriating Animated Culture. Also, the song sucks.
 
ThatNickGuy

ThatNickGuy

We're talking about shitty covers. *sigh* Guess that means I have to break this out again. To quote David Tennant as The Doctor, "I'm sorry. I'm so sorry."

 
Bowielee

Bowielee

stienman said:
Clearly Kiss the Girl was the best song in that film, with Poor Unfortunate Souls not much behind.



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Poor Unfortunate Souls is ten times better than Kiss the Girl.

Then again, I'm always partial to villain songs. I have an entire playlist on my iPod that is titled "Musical Villany" that's the villain songs from a bunch of musicals.
 
Bowielee

Bowielee

For the record, here's the playlist:

Gaston- Beauty and the Beast
Your Fault/Last Midnight- Into the Woods
Master of the House- Les Miserables
Heaven's Light/Hellfire- Hunchback of Notre Dame
I Want to Be Evil - Eartha Kit (kind of a cheat because it's not from a musical, but it fits the theme so well)
Poor Unfortunate Souls - The Little Mermaid
Oogie Boogie's Song- The Nightmare Before Christmas
Snuff Out the Light- The Emperor's New Groove (best Disney villain song that didn't make it into the final cut of the movie)
Friends on the Other Side- The Princess and the Frog
Be Prepared- The Lion King
Lament- Into the Woods
Wonderful- Wicked
A Sentimental Man - Wicked
 
Bowielee

Bowielee

bhamv3 said:
I've always considered No Good Deed to be Wicked's "true" villain song. That song's awesome.
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Not in the way the story is structured. The entire point of the play is that the Elphaba is actually the hero, not the villain portrayed in the Oz books/movies. The real villain of wicked is the Wizard.

That being said, No Good Deed is one of my favorite songs in the play.
 
Bubble181

Bubble181

Even though I don't consider him a villain, I'd put Javert's Stars up there, rather than Master of the House. Even from the Tenardiers, I think I'd put in Harvest Moon. MotH isn't exactly villanous - the Tenardiers aren't villains, they're just bad people. Just as Javert's not a villain, he's just too rigid and too afraid of loosening reins, and tries to protect himself behind a shield of Law and Order, because he can't live without it.

Anyway, that said, great list.

Also, there have been great slow covers of fast songs and vice versa. I actually might well prefer Snoop Doggs rendition of Riders on the Storm to the original. Saying covers of a specific type are bad/wrong because of race or racial culture is horribly, horribly racist and just plain funny out of CdS's mouth.
 
KCWM

KCWM

Bham - Were you saying the Miley version of the song sucked or that "Part of Your World" itself sucks?

I learned a few chords to PoYW on the guitar and playing that is what initially made my wife interested in me. She thought it was cute.
 
bhamv3

bhamv3

KCWM said:
Bham - Were you saying the Miley version of the song sucked or that "Part of Your World" itself sucks?

I learned a few chords to PoYW on the guitar and playing that is what initially made my wife interested in me. She thought it was cute.
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The song is good. Miley's version sucks so much, they had to redefine the word "suck" to express that level of sucking. From now on, Miley's version of Part of Your World is the only thing that can truly be said to suck. Everything else that used to suck is now referred to as "sort of bad."
 
Zappit

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The most offensive cover I can think of is Fred Durst's cover of The Who's Behind Blue Eyes. Think about it. It's a white rapper, creating a hip-hopesque track of a bluesy rock song. This rock group emerged at a time when jazz was fading out and rock branching out from that form. Blues and Jazz was largely an African American art form, with its successor rock popularized by British bands.

A form of originally African American music appropriated by white rockers, later turned into a terrible track by a white rapper.

It's a perfect storm of cultural theft...if you keep track of that kind of thing.

I'm still working on figuring out how Celine Dion's covers of AC-DC songs would be more culturally offensive. Lord knows it's offensive enough to the senses. The sound actually literally leaves a bad taste in the mouth.
 
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I can't tell if Charlie was serious, or if he was trying to demonstrate what racism feels like by role-reversal.
 
Bowielee

Bowielee

Bubble181 said:
Even though I don't consider him a villain, I'd put Javert's Stars up there, rather than Master of the House. Even from the Tenardiers, I think I'd put in Harvest Moon. MotH isn't exactly villanous - the Tenardiers aren't villains, they're just bad people. Just as Javert's not a villain, he's just too rigid and too afraid of loosening reins, and tries to protect himself behind a shield of Law and Order, because he can't live without it.

Anyway, that said, great list.
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The main reason that I have Master of the House, rather than Stars is that I simply like the song better. Les Mis is such a huge musical, there are multiple heroes and villains and I find the Thenardiers to be more interesting. It would be the same reason if I were doing a hero song list, I would put in anything by Epinene over anything by Cosette or Marius(who I find to be the most boring characters in the entire musical).

With the exception of old fasioned "evil for evil's sake" villains, any villain is going to be more complex than just being the bad guy, but it doesn't make them NOT villains in terms of the narrative.
 
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