Town Covers Up Gang Rape to Protect High School Football Season

I am amazed at the morals that the coaching staff had when I came through school. They literally wanted to keep us off of drugs and out of trouble with the law. Not hop us up and make excuses/cover up for anything we did.

I just don't get corrupting kids, to win games.
 
I am amazed at the morals that the coaching staff had when I came through school. They literally wanted to keep us off of drugs and out of trouble with the law. Not hop us up and make excuses/cover up for anything we did.

I just don't get corrupting kids, to win games.
Depends on the culture of the area. In some places codes of silence like this are considered your civic duty, messed up as that may be.
 
Sort of like a weirder version of the Bro Code.

Normal version: If your bro is in a fight with someone, you wade in and help him, no questions asked.
Fucked-up version: If your football team gang raped someone, you cover it up, no questions asked.

... yeah ok, it's nothing like the Bro Code.
 
It's usually more of a case that if you don't go along with it, you'll face reprisals from powerful people in your community who ether aren't negatively effected by the athlete's actions or simply believe that the image of a winning team is more valuable than the justice of the people who are being victimized.
 
It's hard to argue that we don't have a "rape culture" when you see girls doing this kind of stuff.
I know, its just a horrible thing to accept about our world. Its like those Japanese videos games that I don't want to describe in detail because they are terrible.

And then just the fact that someone would treat a person who went through such torture so terribly, I want to believe in the good of humanity but people like this make me question it to many million degrees.
 
I know, its just a horrible thing to accept about our world. Its like those Japanese videos games that I don't want to describe in detail because they are terrible.

And then just the fact that someone would treat a person who went through such torture so terribly, I want to believe in the good of humanity but people like this make me question it to many million degrees.
You don't have to accept it.
 
Ah-AAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! Th-THAT IS AWFUL! What is wrong with younglings? I remember seeing a show where the girls did this to a rape victim and thought "Oh come on, that wouldn't happen!" WELL NOW I KNOW IT DID HAPPEN! Fuckin' terrible this world.
The reason people do this is somehow tied to when people make jokes about prisoners getting raped repeatedly.
 
Really I don't see why Hacking is considered one of the worst crimes on the books. Especially, web page vandalism and hactivism.[DOUBLEPOST=1370899694][/DOUBLEPOST]If he stole my credit card number, he would have never been investigated.
 

GasBandit

Staff member
Really I don't see why Hacking is considered one of the worst crimes on the books. Especially, web page vandalism and hactivism.[DOUBLEPOST=1370899694][/DOUBLEPOST]If he stole my credit card number, he would have never been investigated.
That's because you're not a member of the ruling class. In DC, that's government workers. In Texas, it's high school football programs.
 

Dave

Staff member
He deserves it. He questioned the police and is a whistle-blower. And you know how we treat whistle-blowers in this part of the world. He should have known better than to make the football program look bad.

Yes, this is all sarcasm.
 
He deserves it. He questioned the police and is a whistle-blower. And you know how we treat whistle-blowers in this part of the world. He should have known better than to make the football program look bad.

Yes, this is all sarcasm.
Exactly. Plus, in order to get the message out there, he engaged with Anonymous. That makes him a hacker and a terrorist. He deserves no less than to be locked in Guantanamo Bay for the rest of his life.

Yes, this is all sarcasm too.
 

Dave

Staff member
He posted child pornography to a website he had no legal right to hack.

There are ways to blow the whistle, and ways not to blow the whistle.

He chose the wrong way to do it.
What the what?!? Child pornography? Is that what they are calling the video of the young girl? Dude, that's thin as shit. Had he not done this, the video in question would have been disappeared, just as all the others mysteriously did. And since the cops were actively trying to suppress the case, including evidence, what else was he supposed to do.

This is the biggest problem with prosecuting whistle-blowers. People charge them because they do things that are outside the law, yet had they tried to use legal channels nothing would have been done! He had nowhere to turn. This is bullshit all around.
 
So you are saying that if he passed the video on to tv stations around the state and nation, and activist groups, etc, then nothing would have happened?

He put it on their website to make a big splash. He most certainly had other options that weren't illegal.
Girl gets raped in flyover country and nobody there gives a crap? Yeah I'm sure that the news networks were going to fall over themselves to break that story. I'm sure that the same networks that mourned how the two rapists lives were over would have loved to pressure the local government to take that case to court.

This prosecution is a ludicrous as the prosecution of Aaron Swartz. And Raiding his home is just stupid.
 
Part of the problem is a different anonymous person had already admitted to doing the hacking well before they conducted this raid. The only thing he did was organize some protests. Also there hasn't been any talk of going after the people trying to cover this up for the kids. It all seemed to focus on the people who uncovered it. So, yes, it seems like priorities are a bit skewed.

There still hasn't been any charged filed, and there may not be. Apparently we'll find out in a few weeks when the grand jury reconvenes.

I guess I don't have any problems with charging someone for hacking in this case. As long as it's the right person, and the punishment is in line with the damages done.
 
So as long as a whistleblower says they had to break a law in order to stop the criminal activity they are reporting, then they should get off without being prosecuted?

What laws should a whistleblower still have to follow? Should they be allowed to break traffic laws, in order to tell their story? Commit robbery? If necessary to gather evidence, should they be allowed to use a handgun to threaten a board member to get information? Will they be acquitted of murder if they can show that the death of someone helped them to blow the whistle and expose corruption?

The law does not permit whistleblowers to break the law. It has a very limited set of protections that prevent retaliation (such as firing and lawsuits) on whistleblowers from the organizations they reported, but it DOES NOT permit the whistleblower to conduct criminal activity.

If you think that the ONLY way that this particular corruption could have been released is using CLEARLY ILLEGAL means, then I can't change your opinion. It just seems extraordinarily narrow minded. Out of all the methods, only illegal methods would have worked? Give me a break.

Besides which, this is not "whistleblowing" - though that's a convenient term people like using these days. There's not much point in debating definitions, though. Legally this isn't whistleblowing, and allowing someone to conduct criminal activity and break the law while reporting that someone else broke the law is pretty silly.
I say you take it on a case by case basis. In this case the guy hacked a website harming nobody to bring two boys who raped a girl to justice.

Do I think his actions were justified? Beyond all doubt he was and anybody who believes otherwise is an idiot.

Now do I believe that Bradley Manning was justified in his release of information. Absolutely. We had every right to see what our troops were doing in our name. But I can see how people might not think that he was justified in releasing the Diplomatic cables.

Now do I believe that the Hypothetical whistle blower you desribe was justified in gunning down a school bus full of children because that was literally the only possible way he could expose the City Coucil cafeteria was charging premium prices for sub premium chicken? No I don't believe this hypothetical man was justified in his actions.

And I really don't see any reason outside of a fallacious slippery slope argument where exactly your problem lies with making a call on this case.
 
I think a lot of it has to do with the context of the action. If I see a guy raping a girl out on the school track field, and I run at him with a gun out of my car to save her, can I be arrested for brandishing a weapon in an illegal area? Should the context of why I did it not matter at all?

From what I understand, he didn't hack the video for a huge cash payout or anything, he gave it to Anonymous to spread on social media so the town couldn't cover it up. Is that really deserving of 10 years in jail?
 

Necronic

Staff member
I'm usually not either, but this situation was inexcusably poorly handled across the board by officials. There's simply no denying that.

Anyways, you want to know the part that really confuses me about this? The FBI was involved in the raid. How does a lcoal jurisdiction pressure the FBI to do something like this. I was always under the impression that the FBI doesn't take orders from some rural sheriff or PTA or football team or whatever.
 
I'm usually not either, but this situation was inexcusably poorly handled across the board by officials. There's simply no denying that.

Anyways, you want to know the part that really confuses me about this? The FBI was involved in the raid. How does a lcoal jurisdiction pressure the FBI to do something like this. I was always under the impression that the FBI doesn't take orders from some rural sheriff or PTA or football team or whatever.
The X-Files have taught me that the FBI is requested by local authorities to assist when the situation is bigger than the available resources to handle it. Usually this involves some kind of genetic mutant and/or possible extra-terrestrial lifeforms.
 
I don't recall, although there was an artificial intelligence program that gained what amounted to sentience and committed several murders in an attempt to preserve its existence. Mostly aliens though.
 

Zappit

Staff member
These people just don't get it. A local federal prosecutor has launched a program designed to teach athletes about the dangers of mixing alcohol and social media, essentially telling them to avoid recording and posting shit. Not so much personal responsibility, or even that rape is bad, but how not to get caught.

http://www.dailymail.com/News/statenews/201308080115
 
The next time someone asks me what "rape culture" is, or argues it doesn't exist, I am going to point this shit out.
 

GasBandit

Staff member
The next time someone asks me what "rape culture" is, or argues it doesn't exist, I am going to point this shit out.
I don't think it's so much rape culture as "golden child/celebrities/sports figures can do whatever they want" culture. I mean, after all, they probably would have done the same no matter what the crime was. There have been plenty of instances of high school, collegiate and even professional athletes trying (and sometimes succeeding) to duck the rap for everything from robbery to murder. I even remember posting a story about how a high school football program was trying to get the date of one of their players' murder trial moved so it wouldn't impact his ability to play that season.
 
I don't think it's so much rape culture as "golden child/celebrities/sports figures can do whatever they want" culture. I mean, after all, they probably would have done the same no matter what the crime was. There have been plenty of instances of high school, collegiate and even professional athletes trying (and sometimes succeeding) to duck the rap for everything from robbery to murder.
This is true. Imagine if it'd been for something like underage drinking, or doing lines of coke at a party, or showing off stuff they'd shoplifted from the local Wal-Mart. The same thing would probably still happen.
 
You know, this past year Mizzou's basketball team lost our second best player because he was accused of rape twice. Even though the school knew that he wasn't going to face any charges, he was still kicked off the team and the general consensus among fans was that it was the right call. I just don't get how people can freak out this much when it comes to players when there is no doubt that a rape happened.
 
"Rape culture"is about a society in which rape and sexual violence are linked to attitudes within the culture. So yes, this example is a perfect representation of something that is disturbingly prevalent in our society. It's about a society "in which prevalent attitudes and practices normalize, excuse, tolerate, or even condone rape". It's one where the victims are blamed for the rape. The military is 20x worse than our society at large, but no doubt about it, our culture has fostered these kinds of things for a looooooong time.
 
"Rape culture"is about a society in which rape and sexual violence are linked to attitudes within the culture. So yes, this example is a perfect representation of something that is disturbingly prevalent in our society. It's about a society "in which prevalent attitudes and practices normalize, excuse, tolerate, or even condone rape". It's one where the victims are blamed for the rape. The military is 20x worse than our society at large, but no doubt about it, our culture has fostered these kinds of things for a looooooong time.
When someone is robbed, they are robbed, everyone acknowledges their goods were stolen. It's not like. "So... you left that computer in your room, right on a desk? You were kind of asking for it with that TV in the living room mounted right on the wall...."
 
Well, to be fair, people do say things like that about people who are robbed, things like "Oh you shouldn't have been in that part of town" or "You shouldn't have left your blinds open so the thief could see your computer", etc.

The problem is, and here's where I think things get tricky, is that it's one thing to talk to someone about common sense and say, "Hey, here's some decent tips to prevent *insert crime*" and another to tell a woman who has just been violently raped that she was asking for it.

THAT'S rape culture and it's sick and it's wrong. Wrong on so many levels. Because while you can say, here's some common sense tips about avoiding bad situations RAPE HAPPENS TO ALL KINDS OF PEOPLE. It doesn't matter what they were wearing. It doesn't matter if they are skinny or fat. It doesn't matter if they had on a short skirt. It doesn't matter and people who try to make it the victims fault are only encouraging a system that tells rapists that they didn't really do anything wrong.
 
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