Blah blah blah...are we doing this again?
I wasn't going to even respond to this, because in all honesty Jay, you are one of my favourite posters here on the forum, when you and I aren't arguing, and it does seem that you and I have been butting heads a lot over the past year or so, and not even about the big political stuff, over stupid shit like a hockey game. But rather than ignore it, I'll address it as calmy and as rationally as I can, point by point, and
then let it die.
Habs don't show up for Laugh games when they should and only care about playing other teams such as Boston and Rangers, who matter. I wish they'd show up in Laugh games so that fat lipped Laugh fans who haven't seen the Leafs make the playoffs since Windows XP was new, haven't won the cup since the Vietnam war, would shut their mouth but life is hard that way.
I honestly don't understand the "fat lipped" thing. Is this a Quebecois insult? I've only ever heard it referring to someone who took a punch to the mouth. This is not me trying to agitate you further at all, this is a real, legitimate question; the only explanation I can think of is this means something else in Quebecois french and is meant to be taken as an insult. Unless it means something else in English too, and I've just not heard this used as an insult before?
IMHO Price is aware playoffs are coming soon and is already showcasing his stellar playoff form. Overrated goalie is already shaking in his pants. I fucking miss Halak.
I think you misunderstood what I said here. In absolutely no way did I mean to disparage Price. He's a stellar goaltender, my favourite player on the Habs for sure. All I said is he had a bad night. And I don't think you can really argue that. For him to let in 3 goals in 4 shots, a goalie of his calibre, that is the definition of a bad night. You simply can't realistically argue it's not a bad night for him. I'm sure he'll bounce back though. He is a great goalie. Can't wait until the 2014Olympics so I can cheer
for him for once.
Frankly, the Habs got into the playoffs while playing the shitty Sabres while dominated them completely and took a few days to party and it showed against Toronto. Disgusting. Also "typical Toronto officiating" ruled supreme.
Of the three wins Toronto has over Montreal this year, this is the first on Toronto ice.
Repeatedly run players without the puck repeatedly? Occasional minor calls, if that. Hit or whack Subban with your stick when he doesn't have the puck? He takes a penalty for being "BLACK".
I'm going to be perfectly honest; I don't recall the incident in question. Might have been while I was in the bathroom at the bar. And I'm having trouble finding video of it. I might agree with you on this one, though I'd disagree on the racial incentive and chalk it up to just plain bad reffing.
Officiating in Toronto has been notorious around the league this season. When your team takes 10 cheap shots on players every game and only get called for 1-2 of them, it affects the other team no matter how many times they fight. You have to dive after getting dirty hits to get calls because they won't call it otherwise. Blindside hit on Pacioretty? Good clean hit. Pacioretty good clean hit on Letang? 3 game suspension.
It's funny, because as notorious as you claim it has been, I haven't heard a thing. And before you give me allegations of Toronto Media being ridiculously biased (Which it absolutely is), I'm not talking about from Toronto Media, or from Toronto fans, I'm talking about fans on r/hockey, where Toronto is despised. Also, Letang doesn't play for the Leafs. Though I won't argue that dirty hits sometimes go uncalled; this is in absolutely no way restricted to Toronto though.
How bad was the officiating in that game? Habs net gets pushed off its moring and the play still went on in their zone for a full 15+ seconds while Budaj was screaming at the officials the net was off the moring while the Laughs cycled the puck. 4 zebras saw NOTHING, called NOTHING.
I have seen this happen in just about every barn in the league, including the Bell Centre. Bad officiating, yes. Absolutely. You're right. Unfortunately, it still happens. This is one example of why I feel the NHL refs need some kind of system to hold them accountable. A coaches' challenge would go a long way, though it wouldn't help with these scenarios.
Yep, great officiating. Every Hab fan knew it. Habs players knew it. Coaching knew it. Not if we don't want to look like whiners or get a big fine. No one can speak about it because the league is setup that way. Your coach knows it and exploits it. That fat fuck never even played that way. This was the 2nd time it happened this very season against the same team, in the same arena but Laugh fans won't acknowledge it with their Laugh tinted glasses but it's clear as day they are a dirty team but won't get called on it. Get a lead in a game, goon it and barely get any calls. But that's the NHL, epic non-bias officiating league.
Again, the only other game they played in this arena this season was a 5-2 win for the Habs, in which Toronto served 10minutes of penalty time while Montreal served only 2. Perhaps you're thinking of the other blowout game, which took place on
Montreal ice. The Leafs served 51 PIM compared to the Canadiens' 62 PIM there.
My wish? Someone puts an elbow in Kadri's face and takes him out for the season just like someone else tried to do to Lupul. Toronto treats concussions on their players so well, don't they?
This is why I needed to respond to this post. This I find shocking, and it makes me lose a bit of respect for you. You don't like Kadri, I get it. You hate Kadri, I get it. You want Kadri to see serious discipline, I get it, even if I disagree with your assessment of his play due to one or both of us wearing our homer goggles. But to actively wish this kind of head hunting, head targetting, this kind of dangerous play, hoping to seriously injure a young player and potentially end his promising career, this I don't get. as a Montreal fan, you should know as well as anyone the danger in this kind of targetting and irresponsible play in the league.
Kadri is a little bitch. He performs a dirty hit on Gallagher, when asked to drop by a smaller guy, he fucken turtled.
I made the same argument about Subban last year and his dirty hits and constant slew footing, and I'll cut and paste
your own response here. The majority of it still applies to Kadri; though the two play two different positions, they play similar roles as agitators (Also I will add that Subban has matured quite a bit, and I hope Kadri follows a similar path):
Take off your rose-color tinted glasses people. His job isn't to drop the gloves against the big boys. His job is play sound defensively, to be able to provide good outlet passes and to contribute offensively when he can. He's currently in his sophromore season, he's adapting in his new role as 3 of Montreal's top 6 defensemen are injured (until Gill came back this week, we only had 2 NHL defensement out of 6). He's eating a lot of minutes 30+ a game and doing very well. If he's able to get under the skin of other players and give them a hard time and have them hate him, all the better. If you can't appreciate him for all he can bring, I'll only assume you got Subbang envy.
[/quote]Again, obviously, Kadri and Subban play different roles, so replace "defensively" with "offensively", etc. You can fill in the blanks there I'm sure. Nonetheless, it isn't Kadri's job to drop the mitts. That being said, this is some funny looking turtling:
Looks to me like he was ready to go and the refs stepped in. Whether the hit was dirty or not though, it's a bit of a grey area to me. By the book, definitely dirty. Gallagher had already passed. But you see this type of hit a half a dozen times every game, and it rarely gets called. And again, it seems just a wee bit hypocritical to me to say he hits dirty, then say you wish someone would intentionally hit him dirty to remove him from the game.
Remember this bitch on your blueline who won't drop gloves against someone who's able to fight? Another epic turtle.
Again, Phaneuf can and will fight when pressured (He isn't that good at it though); it isn't his job to do so though, and he knows he's not very good at it. He recognizes his role, recognizes the team gains more with him ON the ice, and he shows discipline here. I'm not even a Phaneuf fan; I'm one who wouldn't mind at all seeing him traded and have voiced that often and loudly, but I don't see a problem with the team captain not dropping the mitts when there's no reason for him to do so. Toronto's a team that agitates, with a handful of enforcers to deal with the inevitable results, and their success this year is largely because everyone is doing a much better job of adhering to their roles.
Nope, he'll run after Gionta and Plekanec though. The Habs are a soft team though, right? Run Subban, run Plekanec, the Refs in Toronto won't call it. Sometimes you're lucky and you'll hit Subban and he'll get a call for being "BLACK". My worst nightmare? We get to play the leafs in the playoffs and we get assigned Tim Peel and Chris Lee who are notoriously Leaf lovers and Habs won't stand a chance while they the perform the screwjob of the year. Then they'll get the rest of the season off as better refs will continue to work the rest of the series.
Basically, yeah, I'm wearing Toronto homer goggles. They aren't thick enough that I can't see them when I look in the mirror though. So if you ever want to actually have a discussion regarding perceived unfair officiating, instead of just throwing insults around, you'll see that I'm rational and can remove said homer goggles if I wish. I sincerely hope none of this comes across as an attempt to further instigate any sort of argument; that absolutely was not my intention. As for my initial statements: they were merely good-natured friendly jabs, with absolutely nothing real behind them; in fact I almost immediately stated that Montreal actually played the better game. Had Price not had such a shakey start, the game very well could have gone quite differently; bad officiating or no. With all that behind us, I suggest we either take this to PMs or simply end it here, because as tiring as this is for both of us, it's triple that for everyone else in the thread.
