Interesting post to Yahoo! News feed.
Jeff Greenfield said:
Explosion at boston marathon
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That was the first thing I thought too when they said they were Chechen.
Yeah I jumped the gun there. Second guy is not dead. I was following the Reddit thread and was misled. M'bad.
Conservative Radio this morning just turned my stomach. It's all about how the government is really making all this up and these two are innocent bystanders of the Obama regime. They said that the girlfriend of the bomber is being questioned right now to make sure she'll go along with the government cover-up or if they'll have to kill her too.
I'm seriously sick to my stomach atm.
I'm seriously sick to my stomach atm.
Unless it's your job to monitor such excrement, why on earth are you listening to it?
Just called my brother. He lives 20-30 minutes south of Boston, so outside the area of concern, but all the schools and most businesses are closed simply because so many people live in the area that's locked down.
He said over the last few days there's been a palpable feeling of passionate anger towards whoever did this, bordering on lynch mob mentality, area-wide. They're still taking the kids out to the park and so forth, treating it as a family day, they feel safe, but of course this is their "back yard" so I can only imagine what's below the surface emotionally.
radioreference (scanner feeds) is pretty much down/swamped. I guess I'll wait for news like the rest of the plebes.[DOUBLEPOST=1366378898][/DOUBLEPOST]
He said over the last few days there's been a palpable feeling of passionate anger towards whoever did this, bordering on lynch mob mentality, area-wide. They're still taking the kids out to the park and so forth, treating it as a family day, they feel safe, but of course this is their "back yard" so I can only imagine what's below the surface emotionally.
radioreference (scanner feeds) is pretty much down/swamped. I guess I'll wait for news like the rest of the plebes.[DOUBLEPOST=1366378898][/DOUBLEPOST]
Is this a specific radio show, or are you just referring to your local conservative talk station generically? What they're saying is insane.
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Hey guys, have the younger brother's YouTube channel.
Based on time of day I assume he's either listening to the local morning shows or Glenn Beck.
Holy shit, I go to bed after reading something on Twitter about an MIT cop being shot and that it might be related to the bombing. Most damning was that the major news outlets weren't doing a thing about it.
Suddenly I wake up and it's all over the news and that it is, in fact, related to the bombings. Jesus.
Suddenly I wake up and it's all over the news and that it is, in fact, related to the bombings. Jesus.
Didn't the Uncle say they had been cut off?
Comment redacted due to inevitable virtual slap fight that it would cause.
I don't know about anyone else, but it's not really a surprise to me. I just never thought for a moment that Chechen terrorists would bomb a target in the U.S.
Well shit, Tress. 
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I don't get the whole "Sorry libs, they're Muslim" bit. I'm seeing it a lot. In what way is that meant to be an antithesis to liberal hopes and dreams? I thought it was a fairly universal desire not to get embroiled in a huge, expensive, dangerous, international, military, religion-based conflict. I guess the idiots on the other side would've said "sorry you can't go bomb brown people" if it happened to be a right wing extremist group, even though one would hope that the desire not to have home-grown terrorists either was universal. Partisanship--no anti-party behavior lately makes my head spin.
My motiviations for hoping it's a white guy were as follows: if it's a white guy, no white people in the USA will be discriminated against or targeted for any sort of violence in unwarranted suspicion of being a terrorist.
I wasn't saying or gloating that they're Muslims. Murder is murder. However, I took issue with comments on this thread about "if they're white then they're likely tea-party members."
However, maybe it's a bit tiring to hear folks knock down conservatives and consider them tantamount to Muslim extremists.[DOUBLEPOST=1366381212][/DOUBLEPOST]
Also, I've hopefully grown up some since 9/11. I wanted revenge after that. I wanted to see people dead. Had I known what it would lead too, I wouldn't have wished for that. I don't want revenge now. I don't think we need to go bomb Chechnya. I am mostly sad about this situation, but I get angry about some of the ridiculous comments folks make.
Your hub for information:
http://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/1co395/live_updates_of_boston_situation_part_2/
http://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/1co395/live_updates_of_boston_situation_part_2/
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I didn't really mean to direct that at you. I got what you meant, but I've seen a lot of comments like the one I mentioned around the news articles, and it just reminded me of them. I know--everyone says don't read the comments. But the comments represent an unfiltered view of what a chunk of people are thinking.
No worries. I'm trying to put my broad-stroke paintbrushes away. It's hard to do.
Dave
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They have someone on the ground in cuffs and they say he has something in his hand and it could be a dead-man switch. (From a police scanner.)[DOUBLEPOST=1366383376][/DOUBLEPOST]
Dude had something, but it has nothing to do with the bombing suspect. Just really, really bad timing to be trying something, I guess.
Pfft. Apparently there's a Staples delivery truck driving through Cambridge, MA right now, trying to make deliveries.[DOUBLEPOST=1366385165][/DOUBLEPOST]And the boys' mother, also living in the US in MA, has a criminal record from recent years... for theft of women's clothing and criminal destruction of property.
Okay...Since I'm not (and can't) follow this as closely as some of you, I'll just hop in to make a few barely-related points in some of the side branches of the conversation.
1. Even if 99% of what 4Chan gives as info is useless, it's still useful. There's such a glut of information these days, that trained professionals can't process everything fast enough - you don't need a good FBI trained superagent to go through 4 hours of video from 200 different cameras. If a bunch of nitwits can filter through and strike off even half of those images, that's a huge gain in time of actual agents saved versus time of late-night-4-channers wasted.
2.. Saying Chechnya is a part of Russia is...painful. It's like saying Tibet is a part of China. Chechnyans have been calling for independence since the USSR fell, Russians have been suppressing them since. Yes, the Chechnyan rebels/opposition are muslim warriors who don't mind killing innocents, and I'm not defending them, really, but please. Chechnya is an independent region, annexed by the USSR and suppressed by Russia. Many other outlying regions were able to break free, Chechnya has failed. Partially as a result, Chechnyan nationalists and jihadi warriors have teamed up and the place these days is the perfect breeding ground for zealot idiots willing to kill anything and anyone to get what they want.
1. Even if 99% of what 4Chan gives as info is useless, it's still useful. There's such a glut of information these days, that trained professionals can't process everything fast enough - you don't need a good FBI trained superagent to go through 4 hours of video from 200 different cameras. If a bunch of nitwits can filter through and strike off even half of those images, that's a huge gain in time of actual agents saved versus time of late-night-4-channers wasted.
2.. Saying Chechnya is a part of Russia is...painful. It's like saying Tibet is a part of China. Chechnyans have been calling for independence since the USSR fell, Russians have been suppressing them since. Yes, the Chechnyan rebels/opposition are muslim warriors who don't mind killing innocents, and I'm not defending them, really, but please. Chechnya is an independent region, annexed by the USSR and suppressed by Russia. Many other outlying regions were able to break free, Chechnya has failed. Partially as a result, Chechnyan nationalists and jihadi warriors have teamed up and the place these days is the perfect breeding ground for zealot idiots willing to kill anything and anyone to get what they want.
It's clear there's muslim connection with the oldest brother at least, so I'm going to bet there's religious reasons for this. Maybe not the full reason for the younger involved but there is some tie.
There may be a jihadist connection with the older brother (tough to tell, at the rate that twitters/FB accounts are being found and shown as fake), but of course there's a Muslim connection - they're Chechens. Once that was established, the odds were pretty high that they were Muslim, which by itself doesn't mean much.
Apparently 15 officers were taken to the hospital following the police chase into Watertown. Also, apparently the elder brother died not only of wounds sustained during the police chase, but also of shrapnel wounds from the original bombing at the marathon an explosion that he may have triggered.
Al-Qaeda has been recruiting kids like these for years. I hope it is not true, but we are likely to find some travel overseas to Pakistan, Yemen or Chechnya. Where they were trained.