Explosion at boston marathon

strawman

strawman

CNN is reporting that photographs from the bombing show that they hung around to watch them go off and the resulting death and destruction.

I'm a bit torn on whether I'd like to see him make it to trial. We're not liable to gain any understanding that would help us prevent future attacks such as this, and all we'd be doing is giving him a grandstand.

I doubt he wants to be taken alive, but honestly that's the best thing for him. Even if he got the death penalty, only three people have actually been killed out of over 70 convicted in federal courts.

Even mcveigh lived 6 years after his initial conviction, and he wanted to be put to death. Given the feelings in the US, I doubt he'd find a place he could live as comfortably as a maximum security prison on death row.

If he does elude authorities, though, he's just going to try to make a bigger impact at his next attempt. He may be a smart guy, but I'd be surprised if he was able to find shelter inside or outside the country.

And obviously he's not too smart anyway, given that he allowed people to take his picture at the scene of the crime, and hung around long enough for it to be taken a few hundred more times.[DOUBLEPOST=1366388201][/DOUBLEPOST]
sixpackshaker said:
Al-Qaeda has been recruiting kids like these for years. I hope it is not true, but we are likely to find some travel overseas to Pakistan, Yemen or Chechnya. Where they were trained.
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Actually the Diane rehm show this morning pointed out that jihadists are recruiting via the Internet these days. Video, articles, etc that attempt to convince youth of the error of the US, and then providing information they can act on to cause terror.

It may be that they spent time abroad, but its quite possible these days to be converted completely online.
 
SpecialKO

SpecialKO

Could have been before they arrived as well. If the news reports are right about them arriving in 2003 or something, the were easily old enough to have been trained in Chechnya.
 
SpecialKO

SpecialKO

DarkAudit said:
Their uncle has the most likely explanation, "being losers!"
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Saw that.

It might have been pushed off the update page by this point, but apparently the dad in Russia is claiming that the US Secret Service framed his sons because they were Muslim.

Appparently, the two sides of the family don't see eye to eye on things.
 
strawman

strawman

SpecialKO said:
Could have been before they arrived as well. If the news reports are right about them arriving in 2003 or something, the were easily old enough to have been trained in Chechnya.
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They were 9 and eleven in 2003. They could have been trained, but it seems unlikely that they would have laid low this entire time, particularly since they could have had a much bigger impact as child bombers in school at that time, which Chechnya was still just a few fights away from breaking free.

But if this is true, then they've been groomed this entire time. I expect, however, it would have been hard to train them, and then hold them back as teenagers. More likely that things weren't going well for them in the US very recently, and they sought out purpose in lives they didn't feel fit them, and found it online with radicals.

Now, see, they should have become Mormons instead.. ;)
 
SpecialKO

SpecialKO

stienman said:
They were 9 and eleven in 2003. They could have been trained, but it seems unlikely that they would have laid low this entire time, particularly since they could have had a much bigger impact as child bombers in school at that time, which Chechnya was still just a few fights away from breaking free.

But if this is true, then they've been groomed this entire time. I expect, however, it would have been hard to train them, and then hold them back as teenagers. More likely that things weren't going well for them in the US very recently, and they sought out purpose in lives they didn't feel fit them, and found it online with radicals.

Now, see, they should have become Mormons instead.. ;)
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I don't mean "trained" in the "radicalized to Salafism" kind of way, but in the "learned how to make bombs" kinds of way, but fair point.
 
Dave

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They have surrounded a house and say they are communicating with someone inside. Who & what is not clear at this time.
 
Dave

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Dude does not tweet like a bomber. He's mostly denigrating the WBC for their hate, if I'm reading that correctly. Are we sure that's really his? The tone just seems too mellow for something like this.
 
strawman

strawman

Dave said:
Dude does not tweet like a bomber. He's mostly denigrating the WBC for their hate, if I'm reading that correctly. Are we sure that's really his? The tone just seems too mellow for something like this.
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Of course we aren't sure. I picked it up in a CNN article with people who claim to have been his friend recently, who claim that this is his twitter.

Doesn't mean much, and obviously he wouldn't tweet anything specific if he didn't want to get caught.

Could also be someone completely different.

Bt either way, it's going to be gone soon enough if it is him, and so I wanted to give people a chance to read it and draw their own conclusions in case it is connection with this case.
 
Dave

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stienman said:
Of course we aren't sure. I picked it up in a CNN article with people who claim to have been his friend recently, who claim that this is his twitter.

Doesn't mean much, and obviously he wouldn't tweet anything specific if he didn't want to get caught.

Could also be someone completely different.

Bt either way, it's going to be gone soon enough if it is him, and so I wanted to give people a chance to read it and draw their own conclusions in case it is connection with this case.
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It's hard to reconcile the stoner "bro" tone of the tweets with the mindset of someone who would do this. I've known some pretty deranged individuals and unless this guy is a real sociopath, I can't make the connection. It's just odd as fuck.[DOUBLEPOST=1366394732][/DOUBLEPOST]
Gilgamesh said:
There's about 40 ways it did in my link :D
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Actually, I see Charlie's point and yours. Reddit & 4chan did go full /b/ and got it wrong, but that doesn't mean that they didn't bring anything to the table. Alternately, even authorities do the same thing. I blame the mainstream media as much as Redditchan, as they are supposed to be verifying sources and news.[DOUBLEPOST=1366394985][/DOUBLEPOST]Their aunt is on CNN right now. She is WHACKED OUT!
 
fade

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I could buy the aloofness. It seems that he detached himself from society. Looks like he built walls by claiming things like not understanding Americans, which conflicts with accounts that he was happy and friendly in school.
 
Dave

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fade said:
I could buy the aloofness. It seems that he detached himself from society. Looks like he built walls by claiming things like not understanding Americans, which conflicts with accounts that he was happy and friendly in school.
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But he doesn't come off as aloof. He comes off - to me at least - as a stoner bro.
 
GasBandit

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fade said:
I don't get the whole "Sorry libs, they're Muslim" bit. I'm seeing it a lot. In what way is that meant to be an antithesis to liberal hopes and dreams?
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Just about every terrorist incident since 2008 in the US has had some public figure, either in government or the media, come out and either insinuate or flat out claim that the perpetrator was a member of the tea party. The time square bomber? Bloomberg postulated on camera that it might be "somebody who doesn't like the health care bill or something." The colorado movie theater shooting? "We found his name on a list of registered tea party members. Oops, that was someone else, never mind." When Congresswoman Giffords was shot and was being rushed to the hospital, her husband was asked if she had any enemies, and he said "Yeah, the whole tea party." And now, of course, in this very thread you heard about how Wolf Blitzer said-but-didn't-say it was probably somebody having their own boston tea party.

So, yeah. That. Liberals are desperate for some act of violence they can pin on the tea party.
 
Charlie Don't Surf

Charlie Don't Surf

GasBandit said:
When Congresswoman Giffords was shot and was being rushed to the hospital, her husband was asked if she had any enemies, and he said "Yeah, the whole tea party." .
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To be fair, the Arizona Tea Party or a similar group LITERALLY released a mailer with her face in crosshairs before the shooting occurred.
 
WasabiPoptart

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Dave said:
They rant about stuff. They espouse their beliefs. They write manifestos. They have an opinion about things. This guy? Tweets more like he's the Dude.
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There could be plenty of reasons why he seemed one way on his Twitter account and is involved in something that doesn't seem like he should be a part of. Looking at one small facet of his life is not going to show the bigger picture. It's not like we have ever seen any examples of people who act one way online and are completely the opposite in real life.
 
GasBandit

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fade said:
So some loudmouths on TV represent all liberals?
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They represent the liberals addressed by the "sorry, liberals" commentary.[DOUBLEPOST=1366397285][/DOUBLEPOST]
Charlie Don't Surf said:
To be fair, the Arizona Tea Party or a similar group LITERALLY released a mailer with her face in crosshairs before the shooting occurred.
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Actually, no.

This is the graphic you're remembering incorrectly:



Her "face" was not "literally" in crosshairs, rather her district was marked with one, which was completely innocuous. The whole "crosshairs" thing was a laughing stock because it led into the whole "divisive rhetoric" whine that democrats went on for a couple weeks before they went back to doing the exact same thing again.
 
strawman

strawman

Gilgamesh said:
Cmon now, don't be mean. His ignorance is the cornerstone of his position on any given subject ;)
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I just feel bad for medical doctors who use crosshairs to mark surgical sites, survey crews preparing documentation for land usage using survey equipment, contractors that use laser line levels to place crosshairs on a structure to make sure it's installed on the level, etc.

I mean, it must eat them up inside knowing that every day on the job is a day they are nailing America's coffin shut by participating in our bloody gun culture.

Fortunately few people use sextants anymore, so at least we've been able to root one major contributor to our nation's murder rate from our culture.
 
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