[News] The Trayvon Martin Discussion Thread

Ravenpoe

Ravenpoe

bhamv3 said:
Barely relevant: I have lived in Asia, the US, and the UK. This has resulted in EVERY race looking alike to me. I can't tell black people from each other, white people from each other, Asian people from each other, etc etc.
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Well, if you'd take the goggles off...
 
GasBandit

GasBandit

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Bowielee said:
I also find the whole thing that was snoped hilarious. People literally can't tell the difference between two black people.
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It's happened before with a white person. Remember when the news declared the Colorado movie theater shooter was a Tea Party member because someone with the same name in Colorado had Tea Party stuff on his facebook?
 
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Make you feel any different? Probably. The human mind works by classification, and it loves to identify in-groups. It's what you do with that classification that matters.
 
SpecialKO

SpecialKO

GasBandit said:
It's happened before with a white person. Remember when the news declared the Colorado movie theater shooter was a Tea Party member because someone with the same name in Colorado had Tea Party stuff on his facebook?
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I understood the first one, but when they started passing around the picture of Martin-as-played-by-The-Game, I thought that was just weird.[DOUBLEPOST=1373900928][/DOUBLEPOST]There were riots in Oakland on Saturday around this case.

But then again, it might have just been Oakland being Oakland.
 
GasBandit

GasBandit

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And later, protests in New York and LA proper have led to arrests, bottles thrown at police, etc. Not quite a riot, but seems like they want to be...
 
Covar

Covar

Hating the Cowboys is a requirement of anyone outside the Dallas Fort-Worth area. It's not limited to SF fans.
 
Chad Sexington

Chad Sexington

bhamv3 said:
Barely relevant: I have lived in Asia, the US, and the UK. This has resulted in EVERY race looking alike to me. I can't tell black people from each other, white people from each other, Asian people from each other, etc etc.
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Maybe you have prosopagnosia? :p[DOUBLEPOST=1373903930][/DOUBLEPOST]
Officer_Charon said:
Oakland doesn't count, because, well.... Oakland.

I am honestly amazed, and I apologise to Chad Sexington
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You have nothing to apologise for. I have full respect for your judgment of my comments, especially given your closer relationship to things like racial tension in America, and obviously the role you play in society. They did not have riots; surely nobody is disappointed with this outcome. No apology needed!
 
Gilgamesh

Gilgamesh

Covar said:
Hating the Cowboys is a requirement of anyone outside the Dallas Fort-Worth area. It's not limited to SF fans.
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Uhh have you been to the rest of Texas cause there's a reason that there are Cowboy's stores in every mall filled with people and tons of Cowboy's jerseys every 5 feet during football season in every grocery store.
 
Tress

Tress

SpecialKO said:
But then again, it might have just been Oakland being Oakland.
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Pretty much. Oakland is a shithole run by idiots, and I try to avoid it as much as possible.

Every time there's a protest or controversy of some sort a group of people wearing masks will go out in the crowds and start shit. It sounds like this time was no exception. These people just live for opportunities to vandalize and riot.
 
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Reality is categorized and judgments are made on those categorizations. Allowing that to dictate your life is an "-ist", in the same way that reality tells you to knife that guy you don't because it's "wrong".
 
strawman

strawman

Dubyamn said:
There is no way that a reasonable person in Zimmerman's shoes could have thought he was in danger.
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From what I understand, Trayvon pushed him down and smacked his head into the sidewalk until he felt lightheaded.

What does a reasonable person feel in this situation?

"Well, I'm sure he'll stop eventually. I'll just lie here and wait."
 
strawman

strawman

Dubyamn said:
If his head was smacked into the sidewalk multiple times there would be more damage.

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/george-zimmerman-jury-told-injuries-insignificant/story?id=19552856
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That medical examiner suggests that his head may have been "slammed" into the concrete sidewalk as few times as only once. Which seems to imply it happened at least once.

So. Someone knocks you down and slams your head into the sidewalk, and further hits you at least twice more. At some point your nose is broken.

You, being a reasonable person, honestly think in this violent confrontation, "Hey, I'm going to be ok. I'm sure they'll stop before permanent damage is done."

Is that the point that you are trying to make?
 
Krisken

Krisken

stienman said:
That medical examiner suggests that his head may have been "slammed" into the concrete sidewalk as few times as only once. Which seems to imply it happened at least once.

So. Someone knocks you down and slams your head into the sidewalk, and further hits you at least twice more. At some point your nose is broken.

You, being a reasonable person, honestly think in this violent confrontation, "Hey, I'm going to be ok. I'm sure they'll stop before permanent damage is done."

Is that the point that you are trying to make?
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What bothers me is how people keep skipping everything before this to justify the Stand Your Ground law.

What I want to know is this: If the roles had been reversed, Zimmerman was being stalked by Martin, got in a scuffle after Martin was aggressively confronting him, Martin started to lose a fist fight and pulled a gun and shot Zimmerman, would we have seen the same outcome?

I don't think anyone being honest with themselves would say things would have been even remotely the same.
 
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Dubyamn

stienman said:
That medical examiner suggests that his head may have been "slammed" into the concrete sidewalk as few times as only once. Which seems to imply it happened at least once.

So. Someone knocks you down and slams your head into the sidewalk, and further hits you at least twice more. At some point your nose is broken.

You, being a reasonable person, honestly think in this violent confrontation, "Hey, I'm going to be ok. I'm sure they'll stop before permanent damage is done."

Is that the point that you are trying to make?
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Actually if you read the article the ME never implied that Zimmerman's head had ever been "slammed" onto the sidewalk only that it had struck the sidewalk at some point during the struggle.

And where exactly did you get the "fact" that Zimmerman had been struck "At least" twice more from a person who put the number of blow at 3 at the most?

And honestly no I don't think as a reasonable person I would be in great fear of my life from the 17 year old on top of me screaming for help and trying to keep me from pulling my gun.
 
Dei

Dei

It's easy to say you wouldn't be scared when it isn't you there in the heat of the moment. It's a situation that should have never happened, but please don't act like Zimmerman is a pussy if he panicked.
 
Covar

Covar

Anyone with half a brain this fine Monday morning knows that if he only threw to his number 2 receiver instead of the primary receiver the ball would have never been intercepted and the team would have won the game.
 
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Dubyamn

Dei said:
It's easy to say you wouldn't be scared when it isn't you there in the heat of the moment. It's a situation that should have never happened, but please don't act like Zimmerman is a pussy if he panicked.
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George Zimmerman is a pussy he did panic and a kid is dead because of it. Why shouldn't I say that?
 
strawman

strawman

Krisken said:
What bothers me is how people keep skipping everything before this to justify the Stand Your Ground law.

What I want to know is this: If the roles had been reversed, Zimmerman was being stalked by Martin, got in a scuffle after Martin was aggressively confronting him, Martin started to lose a fist fight and pulled a gun and shot Zimmerman, would we have seen the same outcome?

I don't think anyone being honest with themselves would say things would have been even remotely the same.
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If I understand your post correctly, you believe that Zimmerman was guilty, and that the jury was wrong to return a not-guilty verdict based on the evidence before them?

Dubyamn said:
Actually if you read the article the ME never implied that Zimmerman's head had ever been "slammed" onto the sidewalk only that it had struck the sidewalk at some point during the struggle.

And where exactly did you get the "fact" that Zimmerman had been struck "At least" twice more from a person who put the number of blow at 3 at the most?

And honestly no I don't think as a reasonable person I would be in great fear of my life from the 17 year old on top of me screaming for help and trying to keep me from pulling my gun.
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You and I interpret that article very differently then. But all I'm trying to understand is why you assert that he chose an unreasonable path, and you've just explained it.

You will not be in fear of your life if a 17 year old attacks you, therefore you do not believe he should have been either.

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Piotyr said:
I'm becoming more and more convinced that the concept of an impartial jury of peers is either impossible or grossly negligent for a trial.

http://gawker.com/that-a-bigot-like-this-got-on-to-the-jury-should-speak-788549237
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How did the prosecution allow that jurer on the panel? If this is true, the trial is likely to be declared a mistrial on appeal.
 
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