[Movies] Pacific Rim

Gilgamesh

Gilgamesh

bhamv3 said:
Plot holes and logical inconsistencies that are deliberate design decisions remain plot holes and logical inconsistencies. For some people, and some movies, they work. For some people, watching certain movies, it's jarring.

For example, I'm not going to question why an air traffic controller like Johnny, making his pterodactyls out of weather reports, hasn't been fired yet. I'm not going to question why the autopilot's a blow-up doll. I'm not going to ask what sort of nervous disorder makes a guy miss his mouth every time he tries to take a drink. And I'm definitely not going to ask why everyone keeps calling the doctor Shirley. For a movie like Airplane, which doesn't have a single serious moment in it, and never pretends to be anything else, it works.

However, I feel Pacific Rim should be held to a different standard. Saying "This doesn't make sense, but that's okay because of Rule of Cool" is fine and well. But unfortunately, I can't turn off my logic filters quite so easily, especially since Pacific Rim is so much more serious in tone than farces like Airplane.
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Shawn

Shawn

Espy said:
Wait, Gypsy Danger having a sword is throwing people for a loop? What? Why? What?
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Just that it has a sword, but they don't use it until after they get the @#$% beat out of them and taken into the atmosphere. If it were like a massive gun with limited ammo I might understand. But it's a sword. It never runs out of ammo.
 
Espy

Espy

Oh good lord. :facepalm:

I just, I don't know. I just don't give a shit when they used their sword. Sometimes one can analyze a film to death and this thread seems to be heading in that direction.
 
strawman

strawman

Here you go. If you can't suspend disbelief there's a simple explanation:

It's very experimental, and hasn't been tested thoroughly. It's sectioned so that it'll wrap around the body and can be stowed, and can even be considered extra armor if unused. It obviously requires a lot of power to stiffen from chain to sword, and it's probably one of the reasons there are two nuclear reactors onboard, rather than one.

All the power has to go through contacts of some sort on the hand to the sword hilt, and after all that fighting there must be some doubt that it would work at all, not only because of the possible contact damage, but also due to possible damage to the sword. This was an unusually large kaiju, and their survival wasn't due to being in a cool machine, but because they knew how to fight.

So it's not brought out in the beginning because it's untested, and it is brought out when there really are no other options because there are no other options.

Further, Mako is essentially riding for the first time - she isn't going to be thinking about that one experimental thing she added to the jaeger months ago, she's thinking about how she doesn't want to die, and how to make that happen, or how awesome it is to be driving and drifting for the first time. Drifting puts people in each others heads, and anything that floats to the subconscious level is seen by the other, but it isn't a mind reading machine - you don't get access to everything the person knows. You do get all their active feelings and thoughts.

If she didn't think about the sword until the critical moment, then neither did what's his name.

The only real plot hole in this whole sword issue is that you can bet what's his name would have read the docket concerning the upgrades to his machine. There's no way he wouldn't become intimately familiar with all the jaeger's new nooks and crannies. He obviously knew how to vent coolant - which may be an old feature, but he couldn't have taken that for granted with the upgrades. (speaking of which, if they were drifting he needn't have told her how to do it, or even to do it - that was just for story exposition - so if the sword thing bothers you, this should really bother you)

Maybe he just accepted "refurbished and with two nuclear power plants rather than one" and didn't bother to look into it further, or maybe he didn't want to think about it due to the issue with his brother in connection with that machine, so you might be able to explain it away, but I don't see that happening.

And if that isn't enough, the final explanation is, "Because it's in the script that way."

Now, using the jaeger action figure, please show the court where the bad movie touched you...
 
SpecialKO

SpecialKO

Maybe he just really, really, really wanted to hit the kaiju with a tanker, and he didn't think of using the sword later because it didn't really solve the "falling to death" problem.

Didn't the idea how to survive that come from Idris Elba?
 
CynicismKills

CynicismKills

Holy shit I'm amazed anyone in this thread even knows what fun is. Do you tear everything apart to this level? I wanted robots beating the shit out of monsters and I got it. I wanted cities leveled by massive battles and I got it. A GODDAMN ROCKET PUNCH TO THE FACE. This movie made me feel like a kid playing with my old Gundam and Godzilla models and toys again, knocking over Lego houses and Army men. It was 2 full hours of ridiculousness and awesome wrapped in a love-letter to the kaiju/sentai battles of the last few decades.

Jesus Christ, lighten up a little.
 
Far

Far

Seemed to me there were lots of us who were able to love it despite any plotholes or what have you.
 
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Dubyamn

CynicismKills said:
Holy shit I'm amazed anyone in this thread even knows what fun is. Do you tear everything apart to this level? I wanted robots beating the shit out of monsters and I got it. I wanted cities leveled by massive battles and I got it. A GODDAMN ROCKET PUNCH TO THE FACE. This movie made me feel like a kid playing with my old Gundam and Godzilla models and toys again, knocking over Lego houses and Army men. It was 2 full hours of ridiculousness and awesome wrapped in a love-letter to the kaiju/sentai battles of the last few decades.

Jesus Christ, lighten up a little.
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Look I knew that bit with a sword was wonky. Hell that was half what me and my friends talked about after the movie.

Still loved the entire movie and didn't think that it violated any of the rules the genre set for itself.
 
Shawn

Shawn

CynicismKills said:
Holy shit I'm amazed anyone in this thread even knows what fun is. Do you tear everything apart to this level? I wanted robots beating the shit out of monsters and I got it. I wanted cities leveled by massive battles and I got it. A GODDAMN ROCKET PUNCH TO THE FACE. This movie made me feel like a kid playing with my old Gundam and Godzilla models and toys again, knocking over Lego houses and Army men. It was 2 full hours of ridiculousness and awesome wrapped in a love-letter to the kaiju/sentai battles of the last few decades.

Jesus Christ, lighten up a little.
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Oh I can enjoy the film and still question the plot holes. Doesn't mean I'm not buying this damn thing on Bluray the second it's available.
 
Bowielee

Bowielee

So, I was thinking about going to see Pacific Rim again this week and guess what?

It's already gone from the theater here. Of course Grown Ups 2 is still there this week AND next week.

Screw you movie going public... just screw you.
 
ThatNickGuy

ThatNickGuy

It's sad. This movie will make its money back and more through the international market (making over 50% more than North America), but it won't sell anyone over here on a sequel. :(
 
Far

Far

Huh? I read ahwile back that WB told him to go ahead and start writing the sequel. It was also largely dependant on how it did in China and from what I've read has given them WB their biggest opening ever there.
 
Timmus

Timmus

Just saw it last night. Loved it. Surprise sword didn't bother me in the least and I'm glad they didn't chekov's gun it.
 
Espy

Espy

Honestly I don't think we need a sequel. I'd rather see Del Toro move on to more stuff he has his heart set on. Like At the Mountains of Madness.

But I won't turn down a sequel.
 
Shawn

Shawn

I certainly wouldn't mind a sequel, but I'm not going to be terribly disappointed if we don't see one.
 
Eriol

Eriol

I don't want a sequel. The story is pretty much finished. The sequel should be "the aliens open up 10 portals at once, and overwhelm us, we're dead, the end." The story is done, as-is. It's not as bad a crime as every Highlander film except the first one, but you get the general idea.
 
strawman

strawman

Story wise a sequel would have to be them opening up a portal, and us taking the fight to them because we know we can't win on our side of the portal. They've only hit a dozen planets or so, and it's obvious they aren't going to go, "ouch, that hurt too much, lets search the galaxy for a different planet instead..." since there are very few planets that would suit them.

If we somehow develop (or steal) the technology to create portals we could start invading their worlds - and assuming they only keep military capable forces at the locations where they intend to invade, it could be a very different, almost avatar-like, film in many ways.

There are a lot of directions a good sequel could go.

I would say that as-is the story is unfinished. We blew up some military leaders on the other side of the portal, but that's certainly not winning the war.
 
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