L4D 2 - Nov 17

[AshburnerX]

If I try to rambo through the stage, everyone else dies. Thus I am confined to playing the shepherd. it works, but it's not very fun.

1.) Left 4 Dead is not the kind of game for running off on your own. You want to Rambo, do so elsewhere.
2.) It's not all about you. Stop acting like it is.
3.) Your a colossal dick when you play. Seriously... Lighten up. It doesn't matter how good you are if your a dick.

 

[Hailey Knight]

Are we having a "lrn2playnoob" time with L4D again?

 

[AshburnerX]

Are we having a "lrn2playnoob" time with L4D again?

That's kinda what it feels like anytime I play with Deschain. He basically yells at everyone for not being able to keep up and then gets frustrated when he gets picked off or WE get picked off when he leaves us. I was really hoping we wouldn't get that element in the Hal 4 Um group when it got made.

 

[figmentPez]

I was really hoping we wouldn't get that element in the Hal 4 Um group when it got made.

This! If you want to be a one-man army, play something else. Left 4 Dead is about protecting your teammates and working together with them. If you're the best player on a team you're going to end up doing a lot of protecting. If you don't like saving other players, this isn't the game for you. Teams that stick together live longer, and teams that get separated usually don't live long at all.

 

[Chibibar]

L4D and especially L4D2 REQUIRES team play. Pretty much everyone need to keep any eye on everyone else. Voice is very important. I don't expect much from PUGs since some don't have a mic. It is MUCH harder on Expert since a minor mess up (i.e. get surrounded by 3-4 COMMON infected can incap you in less than 5 hits) people really need to help each other out. If you run out solo, special infected like charger, smoker, jockey, and hunter can really "screw" you over REAL quick. Heck, even a good boomer can mess with you combine with spitter.

Of course it is hard to "teach" players if they don't think working as a group is fun. Now there is a difference between working as a group and just plain slow moving group (I got this too with PUGs) who don't move very fast and WANT to kill everything (you can't really since director just respawn more) the object of the game is to get to the next safe house and win the scenario as a team

 

[Enresshou]

L4D and especially L4D2 REQUIRES team play. Pretty much everyone need to keep any eye on everyone else. Voice is very important. I don't expect much from PUGs since some don't have a mic. It is MUCH harder on Expert since a minor mess up (i.e. get surrounded by 3-4 COMMON infected can incap you in less than 5 hits) people really need to help each other out. If you run out solo, special infected like charger, smoker, jockey, and hunter can really "screw" you over REAL quick. Heck, even a good boomer can mess with you combine with spitter.

Of course it is hard to "teach" players if they don't think working as a group is fun. Now there is a difference between working as a group and just plain slow moving group (I got this too with PUGs) who don't move very fast and WANT to kill everything (you can't really since director just respawn more) the object of the game is to get to the next safe house and win the scenario as a team

Agreed. The two members of the group I had would work as a group with us, but they were really slow and continually tried to kill everything before they'd advance; finally I got fed up with my teammates and followed through with the 'just run' plan.

Also agreed that this isn't a game for Rambos and that teamwork is absolutely essential. I really like it because it's the only game I've ever played that FORCES you to be a cohesive unit, where you're just as afraid for your teammates as you are for yourself, and how it requires snap decision making in regards to survivability (which teammate do I help, which do I save, do we keep going or go back and rescue them?). Although some of the special Infected are kind of frustrating (you can't shove a Hunter off you, though, which just seems stupid), it helps keep the gameplay balance there and encourages good teamwork.

 

[figmentPez]

Now there is a difference between working as a group and just plain slow moving group (I got this too with PUGs) who don't move very fast and WANT to kill everything (you can't really since director just respawn more) the object of the game is to get to the next safe house and win the scenario as a team

Pacing a team is difficult. Trying to kill everything is not only pointless, but counter-productive since it tends to piss off the AI Director. (BTW, if you're in the safe room waiting for someone to come back form AFK, don't shoot the zombies through the door. Racking up lots of kills will only cause a boatload of trouble when you finally go through the door.) However, being impatient and trying to rush a little extra distance before a horde hits is also a bad choice, if you end up in the open when you could have a wall at your back or a door for a choke-point. Plus, I think it pays to explore a bit if the team needs health packs, pills or grenades. I've seen too many players with full inventory, and green health, rushing ahead while their teammates are orange and red with-out any items. The game shows you teammate's inventories for a reason, and it's good to keep an eye on what everyone has.

My other pet peeves:
1. Leaving behind defibs and special ammo when they don't have a health kit.
2. Not using pills when seriously low on health.
3. Not pointing out items to other players.
4. Dancing around like they're playing Quake, so I can't provide cover fire without hitting them.
5. Standing up on the front line. "Down in front!"

What I've been guilty of:
1. Not having a mic.
2. Stepping into the line of fire.
3. Itchy trigger finger and shooting survivors because I mistook them for a zombie.
4. Being totally oblivious to a pounced/smoked/etc teammate.
5. Dancing around like I'm playing Quake, especially with a melee weapon.
6. Spending too much time exploring, even when the team is well equipped.
7. Clinging too tightly to a gas can when I should have dropped it and started firing.
8. Running back for items instead of sticking with the group.

 

[Deschain]

Didn't think you'd take that much offense to me telling you to find cover Ashburner, but you were standing in the middle of the field.

I don't get frustrated Ashburner, I don't ragequit. I stick to things and I finish them.

 

[AshburnerX]

Generally I am kind of a dick when people do that thing where they expose themselves to a horde instead of finding cover. Even getting your back to a wall would help. However, I believe I've only yelled once and it was to tell the team to find some cover and not stand in the middle of a field.

Except for the time you left everyone to die. Or the time you started calling those new guys noobs because they couldn't keep up. Or that time you called the other team a bunch of ***s. The first two I can forgive, but that last one (jokingly or not, I couldn't tell) is NOT the kind of stuff we want connected with the group. Chill that shit out.

 

[Deschain]

I don't like playing versus and I don't remember playing it with you. I did it yesterday with Shegokigo on a pretty bad team, but I only remember playing Dark Carnival with you where we didn't finish the finale.

And that doesn't sound like me. If I know that you are new (esp. to L4D entirely), I will be nothing but helpful.

 

[Dave]

I'm downloading the game through Steam right now. Can I get an invite to that group? Bear in mind I've NEVER played this game or the first one before.

 

[Deschain]

What is your Steam name Dave? The account name, not the name that you can change at will.

 

[Dave]

Edrondol.

 

[Dave]

I'm about 20% downloaded, so it'll be a bit before I can get on and get yelled at for my n00biness.

 

[Deschain]

Added you.

Don't worry about it. We can run through normal seeing as you've never played before. It is intuitive enough.

 

[Kitty Sinatra]

I'm downloading the game through Steam right now. Can I get an invite to that group? Bear in mind I've NEVER played this game or the first one before.

The only time I ever play the game is at a PC arcade with other people who have played the game way more than me. At first, it was terribly annoying because there was never the chance to really get my bearings on any level as they'd soldier through, knowing the layout and what to expect.

I still don't care much for the game because I was never able to play at my own pace.

I'd suggest that you play solo for a while; and don't let others give you advice on how to play and what to do and avoid until after you've explored the game a little.

 

[Deschain]

I won't be much help with layouts since I'm really only familiar with The Parish and Dead Center since I loathe Dark Carnival and Swamp Fever.

 

[Kitty Sinatra]

That's good, but it's one tiny thing. You'll still wind up leading him more than I'd have liked when I first played it. Especially if you're as impatient and goal-oriented as the complaints about you suggest, or as good as you say you are. You'll be seeing all the obstacles and beating them as he mostly watches from the sidelines and follows along.

It wasn't fun for me to start off with people who knew so much more about the game. I'm fine with it now, but would've enjoyed learning it all myself.

 

[Kitty Sinatra]

And (of course), Dave's totally free to ignore my advice if he thinks he'd rather dive right into the deep end.

 

[AshburnerX]

Honestly, the best thing you can do is just go through the camps once each on easy/normal solo, to experience the game for yourself before you start trying to keep up with anyone.

 

[Dream Goddess]

Generally I am kind of a dick when people do that thing where they expose themselves to a horde instead of finding cover. Even getting your back to a wall would help. However, I believe I've only yelled once and it was to tell the team to find some cover and not stand in the middle of a field.

Except for the time you left everyone to die. Or the time you started calling those new guys noobs because they couldn't keep up. Or that time you called the other team a bunch of ***s. The first two I can forgive, but that last one (jokingly or not, I couldn't tell) is NOT the kind of stuff we want connected with the group. Chill that shit out.[/QUOTE]

And this guy is joining my D and D session (well, Shawn's session, I'm just a player)... *mumblemumblepullthatramboshitI'llkillabitchmumblemumble*

 

[figmentPez]

And (of course), Dave's totally free to ignore my advice if he thinks he'd rather dive right into the deep end.

Or he could go halfway. Play on normal or easy with someone who will act as backup without taking over (I'd be perfectly willing to just tag along and offer advice only when asked), or someone who is noob themselves (I think Gusto is still pretty new to L4D).

 

[Shegokigo]

I gotta say, Deschain's playstyle is being reviewed on a one game basis by Ash here. I know them both and I know both of them have had off days (like anyone). Sounds like Deschain was having a bad night. While he does tend to lead the group (sometimes by a bit much) I've seen him go back for teammates, kill special infected the moment they hit someone and play on a pretty expert level overall.

I will also vouch for the fact that even against the odds (At one point in our VS match he was alone vs 4 player infected) he never quits and sees things through, that's a quality even I lack at time.

 

[Jay]

Let's be honest, L4D2 is a very unforgiving game especially on the harder levels. Frustration can and will be joining the party at some point and time. Some forum members are simply not at the same level of skill as others are. I don't mean this in a bad way, I call it for what it is. Hopefully people will keep playing this game, take sound advice and get better at the game so that the experience can be less frustrating for everyone. I personally find it unacceptable if a common lands a hit on me, I do FF damage or that a SI gets a hold of my teammate and shoot them promptly.

Then again, expert isn't for everyone. Advanced is enjoyable, I guess.

 

[Dave]

Let's be honest, L4D2 is a very unforgiving game especially on the harder levels. Frustration can and will be joining the party at some point and time. Some forum members are simply not at the same level of skill as others are. I don't mean this in a bad way, I call it for what it is. Hopefully people will keep playing this game, take sound advice and get better at the game so that the experience can be less frustrating for everyone. I personally find it unacceptable if a common lands a hit on me, I do FF damage or that a SI gets a hold of my teammate and shoot them promptly.

Then again, expert isn't for everyone. Advanced is enjoyable, I guess.

So what's a FF or an SI?

 

[Kitty Sinatra]

Friendly Fire.

Special Infected.

 

[Dave]

Final Fantasy & Sports Illustrated?

 

[Kitty Sinatra]

Firefox and Scientific Investigation

 

[Deschain]

Oh yea, and if I don't appear to know you, then that would be my brother. We usually change names, but I let him use my account since I'm usually sleeping when he plays.

 

[AshburnerX]

Oh yea, and if I don't appear to know you, then that would be my brother. We usually change names, but I let him use my account since I'm usually sleeping when he plays.

That might be why there was someone ranting about "***s" when I played with someone on your name.

 

[Chibibar]

heh.. I never ragequit for anything. Even on a bad team, why? it is good practice to play with bad team as well as good team (especially as Vs. since I don't get to play infected normally). Of course L4D2 is a little unforgiving and can get pretty tough when people (like me) suddenly FORGOT the map and didn't know where I was going.

Of course I am too dependent on mic/sound. I usually DON'T read fast enough cause I'm too busy either fighting or trying to provide cover. The moment someone said, "Smoked" "Pounced" "Charged" etc etc. I look for them.

 

[Hailey Knight]

Okay, I need some help in a weird way.

Couple of you might've noticed I haven't really been on L4D2 lately. Long story short, Julie hates when I play, with a burning passion, because I'm loud with people on there and we're having a good time, and there's no way she can play a game like this. She didn't mind RE5 because I included her, so that's what I'm looking for answers here: How to include a non-player?

I've thought of playing near her, with the headphones off so she can hear the whole conversation and not just me, but then when auto rifles start, it's hard to hear anyone. Is there a way to turn down the game's sound while still leaving the voices up?

 

[ElJuski]

Or, she could just let you play a videogame on your own... give her some time to play a videogame SHE likes or some shit. But I find it somewhat ridiculous that you can't play because she can't be included >: (

BTW, totally rockin L4D2 on the 260 now. Haven't tried out the multiplayer, so it may be...aggravating to play with me for the now.

 

[Kitty Sinatra]

It sounded to me like she doesn't like it because he's hooting and hollering into the microphone. I could totally see how that would get irritating after a while.

 

[ElJuski]

"Julie hates when I play, with a burning passion, because I'm loud with people on there and we're having a good time, and there's no way she can play a game like this. She didn't mind RE5 because I included her, so that's what I'm looking for answers here: How to include a non-player?"

If it's because he gets too loud, and she hates THAT, she wouldn't want to be included in the first place, which makes asking how to include her moot.