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I liked that the 3D was subtle. None of that gimmicky crap with people pointing at the camera and what not.
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When the XBox 360 came out, my good friend bought only the most beautiful games available for the system, regardless of if they sucked or not. He'd show it off to anyone who came into his house. Eventually, he realized that pretty != good, and dropped them in favor of more fun games.
The 3D movie thing is sort of like that. There was a time when every 3D movie needed 3D gimmicks because "HEY, LOOK WHAT WE CAN DO!" I think we're past that now, though, and the 3D is just there to enhance the experience rather than to be the poor setup to a lame joke. I was proud of UP! when they didn't resort to gimmickry.
I feel like we've grown.
The 3D movie thing is sort of like that. There was a time when every 3D movie needed 3D gimmicks because "HEY, LOOK WHAT WE CAN DO!" I think we're past that now, though, and the 3D is just there to enhance the experience rather than to be the poor setup to a lame joke. I was proud of UP! when they didn't resort to gimmickry.
I feel like we've grown.
funny pocohontas/avatar comparison.
At leat you dont see Avatar, in its Real 3D glory, with shitty portuguese dubbing.
In Brazil, its Portuguese dubbed, or subbed, except the subbed version isnt in 3D (and I have no idea how one could put subs in a 3D movie)[/QUOTE]
That sucks. Here we had all 4 options.. dubbed and subbed in 3D and dubbed and subbed in 2D.
The subtitles in the 3D version are actually pretty well done, they are in an actual "layer" of the 3D and they even show behind some stuff that's "popping out" (mainly screens from the bunker and other translucent stuff that doesn't really block them).
ElJuski
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Ha, that's pretty great. Though this one line bugs the fuck out of me:
funny pocohontas/avatar comparison.
"how to hunt, grow crops, and of her culture".
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In another forum, a lot of people seem to be offended and disgusted by the shallow depth and the weak story of the movie. I'm probably going to watch it again.
I find myself completely unsurprised about this...
ElJuski
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The important thing is if you personally know how fucking moronic the movie is. if you are entertained, and understand it's inspid, well, huzzah.
I don't get why anyone was expecting more from such an obviously effects based film... frankly i was surprised the story didn't suck more.
Why, i mean people do it all the time for simple profit (should i get you some lead for your toys sir?).
Why, i mean people do it all the time for simple profit (should i get you some lead for your toys sir?).
while I'm not offended or disgusted, on this forum, people are disappointed by the shallow and weak story, too.
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The important thing is if you personally know how fucking moronic the movie is. if you are entertained, and understand it's inspid, well, huzzah.[/QUOTE]
Which is pretty much the only way you can find any Disneyesque movie entertaining. Though I don't think I'd call it insipid so much as trite. I've eaten burgers a bunch of times, but I still don't find them insipid.
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How is it different from something like Star Wars, which was equally full of cliche and relied heavily on effects?
Because we all grew up with Star Wars.
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I'll grant that Star Wars had much more memorable characters and is infinitely more quotable, but otherwise it's basically just a remake of The Hidden Fortress with more whining and space battles ripped from old World War II movies/stock footage.
Don't get me wrong, I love Star Wars, but nostalgia clouds our view of it.
Don't get me wrong, I love Star Wars, but nostalgia clouds our view of it.
Do you know anyone in the US that has seen Hidden Fortress? I didn't even know SW took ideas from Hidden Fortress until I saw the Criterion Collection. I know 2 people that have seen Hidden Fortress and I have a bunch of movie-nerd friends. They have all seen Seven Samurai, Yojimbo, and Rashomon.
Besides, think of when SW came out. Compare it to the movies of it's time, and especially sci-fi movies. There was nothing like it. It was revolutionary. Avatar was all style, but no substance.
I totally agree with Roger Ebert:
Unless it's Transformer 2.
I find it hilarious that people are making the pretentious assertion that one must view this movie as moronic. Go watch Transformers 2 then Avatar and let me know what's moronic. The story isn't brilliant nor original but far from moronic, in my opinion of course. If someone else's is negative of it great but lets avoid the "Ur dumb if you don't think this thing is dumber!" malarky.
Unless it's Transformer 2.
ElJuski
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Dude, it doesn't mean it's not entertaining. But that story is dumb and cheeseball as hell. Yes, Transformers 2 is much worse, but relatively, dumb is a deep well. And yeah, sorry you're being so offended throughout this thread...but really, come on. There's so much better storytelling offered in the universe at large. You know, it can be a fun, entertaining movie and still be stupid! There's not much offered in this movie in the way of anything more than broad paint strokes and pilfering from really old story types. If it still entertains you, hey, great. But I think people should realize that fact--and because of that or despite that--come to their conclusions.
I don't think it's bullshit at all. And I think that, even by jokingly adding Transformers 2 as "it's okay", you're only setting up a standard for yourself, which you're angry about because you actually like this movie. But can you really say that there's any merit beyond dumb romance and jockey action going on here? The only substance in this movie is the pretty moving things on the screen.
:aaahhh: If you think I'm offended or angry then I think you have seriously misread my posts (heck I even edited out my naughty word as you were writing your reply because I thought it sounded pissy and thats not what I meant at all, malarky much better suits my views). I"m enjoying the discussion on it and agree with much of the good and bad of the movie.
It sounds like the movie offended some here and you are annoyed that anyone dares disagree with your personal opinion of it.
I could care less if anyone likes the movie or if it just makes them want to have a Wes Anderson marathon to wipe the memory from your mind (which is how I got rid of my memories of Transformers 2, so I can promise you it does work) or if you thought it was awesome, just that to say we all must, MUST understand that it's moronic with kind of a vague "or else you are an idiot" tone is silly. I've said over and over that it's nothing special or new in the story department, I don't even disagree with the assertion that someone could watch it and think it's moronic, but that blanket pretentiousness is, as I already said, better reserved for truly horrible stuff.
Of course it's just my opinion. It was fun and cliche'd but done well. I wish that didn't bother you but I really can't do anything about it. Will it make you feel better if I say I agree the story, in it's basic form WAS dumb (or maybe actually "simple" is a better term)? We can just disagree on how the dumb story was executed.
It sounds like the movie offended some here and you are annoyed that anyone dares disagree with your personal opinion of it.
I could care less if anyone likes the movie or if it just makes them want to have a Wes Anderson marathon to wipe the memory from your mind (which is how I got rid of my memories of Transformers 2, so I can promise you it does work) or if you thought it was awesome, just that to say we all must, MUST understand that it's moronic with kind of a vague "or else you are an idiot" tone is silly. I've said over and over that it's nothing special or new in the story department, I don't even disagree with the assertion that someone could watch it and think it's moronic, but that blanket pretentiousness is, as I already said, better reserved for truly horrible stuff.
Of course it's just my opinion. It was fun and cliche'd but done well. I wish that didn't bother you but I really can't do anything about it. Will it make you feel better if I say I agree the story, in it's basic form WAS dumb (or maybe actually "simple" is a better term)? We can just disagree on how the dumb story was executed.
See when you start calling people names because they disagree with you thats usually when I assume someone is offended. Thats why I haven't called you a boogersnotface. To hide my offense. You boogersnotface. :tongue:None of this bothers me in any way. You can all have your opinions. I just think that people purporting that the story has any depth in it are wrongObviously calling them morons is a bit harsh, so yes, sorry for calling those hypothetical people morons.
ElJuski
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And, Krisken, I think it's fine to say that you enjoyed the movie. My god, I love True Lies, another shlocky James Cameron flick. But it is completely insipid in its story. Doesn't make me stupid; I like it for what it is. I'm just saying let's just call a dumb movie a dumb movie.
ElJuski
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See when you start calling people names because they disagree with you thats usually when I assume someone is offended. Thats why I haven't called you a boogersnotface. To hide my offense. You boogersnotface.[/QUOTE]None of this bothers me in any way. You can all have your opinions. I just think that people purporting that the story has any depth in it are wrong
I'm not offended. Just being a dick on the internet >: ]
Meh, videogames have everything = simpsons did it...
I know, I'm just messing around. I'm just surprised the movie got so many comments. It's pretty. The story is predictable and unsurprising and foreshadows so heavily it feels like you're being hit in the head with the script.
Yup, dumb movie is dumb. Still surprisingly fun to watch.
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