H1N1, WHO and Money

[Chibibar]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20100126/hl_time/08599195660800;_ylt=AqKmrnHS7zI7OcUVdOhARPF0fNdF

Interesting article. Now the countries who can afford and order a TON of the vaccine don't need it anymore and trying to blame WHO for the "scare"

So scientist of the forum (not me), is WHO's standard still valid? (base on transmission vs severity) but I think the information travels MUCH faster now (even in poorer nation) due to internet, internet phones, and access to information. I mean most of the time we can hear news that just happen less than 5 to 10 minutes ago across the world if you are looking for it (i.e. monitor newspaper, radio and such)

I think without this information readily available, H1N1 could have been worst (IMO)

 

[@Li3n]

Like i said a while back, the whole thing is a better safe then sorry scenario... the countries that ordered enough vaccines for all their population where being stupid.


Also, TOLD YOU SO... NEEEENEER,NEEENER NEENER...

 

[Chibibar]

Like i said a while back, the whole thing is a better safe then sorry scenario... the countries that ordered enough vaccines for all their population where being stupid.


Also, TOLD YOU SO... NEEEENEER,NEEENER NEENER...

I can see the opposite effect if the WHO didn't say anything then will be blamed for the 12k+ people died from it so far.

 

[@Li3n]

And it's likely that without the vaccine that number would have been higher...


But fun facts: http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs211/en/ http://www.cdc.gov/Flu/keyfacts.htm

Influenza epidemics occur yearly during autumn and winter in temperate regions. Illnesses result in hospitalizations and deaths mainly among high-risk groups (the very young, elderly or chronically ill). Worldwide, these annual epidemics result in about three to five million cases of severe illness, and about 250 000 to 500 000 deaths. Most deaths associated with influenza in industrialized countries occur among people age 65 or older. In some tropical countries, influenza viruses circulate throughout the year with one or two peaks during rainy seasons.

Every year in the United States, on average:

• 5% to 20% of the population gets the flu;
• more than 200,000 people are hospitalized from flu-related complications; and
• about 36,000 people die from flu-related causes.

The danger of a new strain was real, but people did overreact to it... and now they're butt-hurt over it.

 

[Chibibar]

And it's likely that without the vaccine that number would have been higher...


But fun facts: http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs211/en/ http://www.cdc.gov/Flu/keyfacts.htm

Influenza epidemics occur yearly during autumn and winter in temperate regions. Illnesses result in hospitalizations and deaths mainly among high-risk groups (the very young, elderly or chronically ill). Worldwide, these annual epidemics result in about three to five million cases of severe illness, and about 250 000 to 500 000 deaths. Most deaths associated with influenza in industrialized countries occur among people age 65 or older. In some tropical countries, influenza viruses circulate throughout the year with one or two peaks during rainy seasons.

Every year in the United States, on average:

• 5% to 20% of the population gets the flu;
• more than 200,000 people are hospitalized from flu-related complications; and
• about 36,000 people die from flu-related causes.

The danger of a new strain was real, but people did overreact to it... and now they're butt-hurt over it.

Yea. I did believe the system over-react quite a bit. I didn't have my h1n1 flu shot yet.

 

[Soliloquy]

Ah, there's nothing more fun than trying to pass around the blame for bad decisions.

I took the more frugal option: I contracted H1N1 during the first wave, and became immune for FREE!

 

[@Li3n]

I took the more frugal option: I contracted H1N1 during the first wave, and became immune for FREE!

Cheapskate...

 

[Soliloquy]

I took the more frugal option: I contracted H1N1 during the first wave, and became immune for FREE!

Cheapskate...[/QUOTE]

Hey, don't look down on me because I got into swine flu before it got popular.

H1N1 sold out. It used to be about the infection, man. Now it's all about the money.

 

[@Li3n]

So H1N1 is Metallica in flu form?!

 

[Covar]

I got my flu shots Saturday. Monday I felt like shit. But hey, at least now I won't get the flu during the little time remaining in flu season rly:

 

[sixpackshaker]

Last week my county offered free h1n1 and normal flu shots. When I was told about it, I said, "Isn't it a little late for that?"

 

[Shakey]

Don't you know yet? It's not about getting people vaccinated, it's about implanting tracking devices into the entire population. So it doesn't matter if it's late, as long as you get your shot.

 

[North_Ranger]

I got my shot in... I think it was October. And then had that trippy dream about guitar dueling with the protagonist of Brütal Legend.

So no regrets. And I pity anyone who has to keep an eye on my brain activity. I'd make Cthulhu shit his tentacles...

 

[Chazwozel]

Don't blame the WHO, blame the idiotic media. Actually I'd pin a lot of this kind of bullshit on the FDA moreso than the WHO. Although, I know a lot of virologists that love to exaggerate the the virulence and pathogenesis of whatever current epidemic coincides with their research (remember SARS?). It all amounts to generating talk so you suckers..er..taxpayers... give a shit enough to support funding for their research grants. If you look at a butt-ton of current microbiology grants they all can boil down to a cure for 1) AIDS 2) Cancer 3) the war on terror.

 

[Soliloquy]

Don't blame the WHO, blame the idiotic media. Actually I'd pin a lot of this kind of bullshit on the FDA moreso than the WHO. Although, I know a lot of virologists that love to exaggerate the the virulence and pathogenesis of whatever current epidemic coincides with their research (remember SARS?). It all amounts to generating talk so you suckers..er..taxpayers... give a shit enough to support funding for their research grants. If you look at a butt-ton of current microbiology grants they all can boil down to a cure for 1) AIDS 2) Cancer 3) the war on terror.

Yeah, after getting it myself, I couldn't believe the media hype surrounding what was essentially the everyday flu with an annoyance factor ramped up to 11. I didn't even get mad at my San Diego roomates for taking an ill-advised trip to Tijuana the week before.

 

[Chazwozel]

Don't blame the WHO, blame the idiotic media. Actually I'd pin a lot of this kind of bullshit on the FDA moreso than the WHO. Although, I know a lot of virologists that love to exaggerate the the virulence and pathogenesis of whatever current epidemic coincides with their research (remember SARS?). It all amounts to generating talk so you suckers..er..taxpayers... give a shit enough to support funding for their research grants. If you look at a butt-ton of current microbiology grants they all can boil down to a cure for 1) AIDS 2) Cancer 3) the war on terror.

Yeah, after getting it myself, I couldn't believe the media hype surrounding what was essentially the everyday flu with an annoyance factor ramped up to 11. I didn't even get mad at my San Diego roomates for taking an ill-advised trip to Tijuana the week before.[/QUOTE]

I already know the stagnant influenza field is having a field day with this in a scramble to get funding.

 

[@Li3n]

Oh, now y'all say it was just a flu...

 

[Soliloquy]

Oh, now y'all say it was just a flu...

Are there any documented cases of me saying otherwise?

 

[@Li3n]

Oh, now y'all say it was just a flu...

Are there any documented cases of me saying otherwise?[/QUOTE]


Now you're going for the "i ain't said nothing so i was on the right side" defence... bah, humbug.

 

[Covar]

Oh, now y'all say it was just a flu...

Are there any documented cases of me saying otherwise?[/QUOTE]


Now you're going for the "i ain't said nothing so i was on the right side" defence... bah, humbug.[/QUOTE]

don't worry, I got lectured on here about how wrong I was when I said this was no big deal.

 

[@Li3n]

The Few, the Proud!!!!

 

[Chazwozel]

Oh, now y'all say it was just a flu...

Are there any documented cases of me saying otherwise?[/QUOTE]


Now you're going for the "i ain't said nothing so i was on the right side" defence... bah, humbug.[/QUOTE]

don't worry, I got lectured on here about how wrong I was when I said this was no big deal.[/QUOTE]

You did? I know my big thing was to get vaccinated if one had the option.

 

[@Li3n]

You did? I know my big thing was to get vaccinated if one had the option.

So it's you we have to ask for our money back...

 

[Frank]

Ah, there's nothing more fun than trying to pass around the blame for bad decisions.

I took the more frugal option: I contracted H1N1 during the first wave, and became immune for FREE!

High five to that.

Worst week of my life though.

 

[Covar]

You did? I know my big thing was to get vaccinated if one had the option.

So it's you we have to ask for our money back...[/QUOTE]
I want my $0 back!

 

[@Li3n]

You did? I know my big thing was to get vaccinated if one had the option.

So it's you we have to ask for our money back...[/QUOTE]
I want my $0 back![/QUOTE]

You have no idea how this scam works, do you?

 

[Covar]

You did? I know my big thing was to get vaccinated if one had the option.

So it's you we have to ask for our money back...[/QUOTE]
I want my $0 back![/QUOTE]

You have no idea how this scam works, do you?[/QUOTE]

wait I have to work? Screw this I'm out.

 

[Bubble181]

H1N1 is a very real, very dangerous disease. I advice everyone to stay indoors at all costs, lest they come down with what can only be described as a life-threatening and life-destroying virus. Society as we know it is at risk, and more likely than not, life as we know it is over.

Be prepared to shoot your loved ones if necessary. Once they contract H1N1, there's no saving them. A quick and clean death is the only mercy you can give them.

If our government had any sense of responsibility, it would try to isolate all cases of H1N1 together in camps, to try and protect innocent civilians. Doing as little as is being done is nothing short of criminal.

Dude, not even 4 months ago. Seriously now, you thought we'd forget?:-P

 

[@Li3n]

You forgot the most important rule: DON"T BE A HERO!

 

[Chibibar]

H1N1 is a very real, very dangerous disease. I advice everyone to stay indoors at all costs, lest they come down with what can only be described as a life-threatening and life-destroying virus. Society as we know it is at risk, and more likely than not, life as we know it is over.

Be prepared to shoot your loved ones if necessary. Once they contract H1N1, there's no saving them. A quick and clean death is the only mercy you can give them.

If our government had any sense of responsibility, it would try to isolate all cases of H1N1 together in camps, to try and protect innocent civilians. Doing as little as is being done is nothing short of criminal.

Dude, not even 4 months ago. Seriously now, you thought we'd forget?:-P

hehe.... sounds like sarcasm

@chaz: I do believe in vaccination (like your standard stuff measles and mumps, chicken pox etc etc) I never understood people why people don't want to get their kids vaccinated.