[NFL] Footbaaaawl.

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jwhouk

jwhouk

I am so glad it ended up this way. Now I know I won't get ordered on Super Bowl Sunday (oh, sorry, "forced additional hours of work" as it is being called under WalkerSpeak).

Anyways, congrats to the Giants for doing the near impossible: making Twitter crash - not once, but twice in the span of a few minutes.
 
DarkAudit

DarkAudit

Saints getting hammered for the bounties...
ESPN via Twitter said:
Sean Payton suspended one year. Mickey Loomis 8 game and $500,000 fine. Saints fined $500,000 and a second round pick in 2012 and 2012.
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Covar

Covar

And Belichick got a slap on the wrist for actually cheating.

I can't say the Saints don't deserve a strict penalty, particularly since coaches were involved.
 
Dave

Dave

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Yeah. My whole take on the whole thing? They weren't rewarding dirty hit, merely hard hits, etc. What the Saints did was something that ALL NFL teams do. Every one of them. But the others are smart enough to not make it an economic incentive. At least not officially like the Saints did. But my answer to those teams complaining? Tell your O-Line to block.
 
sixpackshaker

sixpackshaker

Several Chicago Bears players and fans believe that the Bears were targets of this program during the second game of the 2011 season, a 30-13 loss to the Saints. Bears receiver Earl Bennett was knocked out of the game when Saints safety Roman Harper hit him in the midsection, an injury that kept him out for the next five games. Offensive tackle Gabe Carimi suffered a dislocated kneecap and was lost for the season. Quarterback Jay Cutler was sacked six times, and nearly lost his voice when a Saints player kicked him in the throat. Later in the game, Carimi's replacement, Frank Omiyale, yanked a Saints defender off Cutler when he saw what he later called "some dirty stuff."
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Most of that does not sound legal.

I used to be an offensive tackle, then I took a Saint to the knee.
 
Dave

Dave

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The kicking was in poor form, but that's been done and is illegal already.

As to the rest? He hit a guy in the midsection?!? OH NOES! The QB was sacked?!? OH NOES! I didn't see where the play for the dislocated kneecap was dirty. It was a hard hit but a legal one.

EVERY team puts bounties on opposing players. You think no other team was looking to hit Favre and knock him out of the game? Or Manning? Or Brady? Shit, it's their damned JOB.
 
sixpackshaker

sixpackshaker

The available rules preclude hits that injure. It is why you can't hit a blocker or down lineman in the knees if he is in contact with another player, why you can't block from behind, why you can't spear, or make helmet to helmet contact... That is how you make sure you get your bonus money. Coaches are there to insure that the player knows the legal ways to play the game. Not to pay the other players a little extra to end some one's career.

As I said to a friend on Facebook, too damn bad the NFL did not have the stones to do this to Philly 23 years ago. -that was the last time that news broke about a bounty system in the NFL.
 
Gared

Gared

Well, to be fair, 23 years ago they were still playing football - not this pansy-ass, can't hit the QB, can't do more than stand in front of someone not directly involved in the play in order to block them, can't use "wedge" formations in kick-off returns, move the kick-off line so that we have fewer run backs in general, can't taunt the other team, can't use props in end-zone dances, pussified bullshit.

And this is why I stick to watching NCAA football. It's like they're trying to turn NFL into two-hand touch. I've seen harder hitting games in the lingerie football league. I'm not saying you should intentionally injure an opponent, it's not like I enjoy seeing the ambulance or the cart come out on the field or anything, but football is supposed to be a physical game. I watch it because it's fun to hear the pop of the pads and see people bouncing off of each other and flying 5 or 10 yards off of an explosive hit; and if there's not a grass (or paint) stain on the QB's back at the end of the game, the defense failed. If an entire team can run to the locker room after the game, like they didn't just spend an hour locked in hand-to-hand, full body combat, they're doing it wrong.
 
Gared

Gared

Charlie Don't Surf said:
I, too, can't enjoy a sport unless the players all have significant brain damage and commit suicide instead of losing themselves in the thralls of dementia at age 42. Where men are men, until they can't remember their names.
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I'm not saying you should intentionally injure an opponent, it's not like I enjoy seeing the ambulance or the cart come out on the field or anything, but football is supposed to be a physical game.
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Either you need to learn to read, or just stop putting words in people's mouths. Dumb ass.
 
Charlie Don't Surf

Charlie Don't Surf

The "physical game" you're opining for is the one that ruins so many players' post-football lives by reducing their brains to mush that makes 80 year old Alzheimer brains look pristine.
 
sixpackshaker

sixpackshaker

In the 80's all you had to do was 2 hand touch the QB and it was considered a sac. There were many ways that Football then was more pussified than now. Like defensive backs could not mug receivers all the way down the field like they do now.
 
Gared

Gared

Charlie Don't Surf said:
Also, use of the word "pussified" to mean not-strong, weak, and / or inferior is kind of hate speech and I wish you would stop.
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Awesome! My first accusation of hate speech from Charlie! Now I can retire and live the rest of my life knowing that I've helped him fulfill his purpose in life of being holier-than-thou to everyone.
 
Covar

Covar

Gared said:
Awesome! My first accusation of hate speech from Charlie! Now I can retire and live the rest of my life knowing that I've helped him fulfill his purpose in life of being holier-than-thou to everyone.
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It's because he's got the balls to stand up for lesser people everywhere.
 
Piotyr

Piotyr

The Saints got nailed because they lied to the NFL about what they were doing, twice. It wasn't so much what they did, or even that what they did is unique to the NFL. It's that the NFL came to them in 2010 after these allegations, and Sean Payton actually held a staff meeting to "get all their ducks in a row" for a story to the investigators, and then roundly ignored all direct orders to stop what they were doing.
 
evilmike

evilmike

Any thoughts on how the draft is playing out?

Nice trade moves for the Vikings and the Rams and, arguably, the Cowboys. Okay trade for the Bucs. What-were-they-thinking trade for the Browns.
 
evilmike

evilmike

Covar said:
Vikings raped and pillaged the Browns with that trade.
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Yeah. The only excuse I've heard in favor of the Browns is "well, they aren't going to be able to sign all 13 draft picks anyway, so why not use them to be certain they got their guy." But just when you think the Browns might know what they are doing, they use their other first round pick to select a 28-year-old QB who, at best, is going to create a QB controversy.
 
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