[News] 2012 Election Results Thread
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I really wanted to understand how we went from limiting advertising to becoming incumbent land (which, if you look at the current election cycle, would practically be no different than now). I understand you feel limiting speech in any way is bad, but i don't agree it should apply to advertising. Commercials are just that, advertising, and I feel that since their speech is offered limited protection under the 1st amendment, why shouldn't a political advertisement?
If nothing else, it would force politicians to state their own stances, not focus so heavily on their opponents. We never heard what Romney's stances were on a lot of things, and I think that actually hurt him in the final election. If you listened to the 3rd party debate at all, you would notice they spent most of their time talking about their own positions, not everyone else on the stage. I can't imagine how this would make it harder for other candidates to enter the political arena, especially 3rd party candidates who have no way to realistically challenge the 2 party system.
If nothing else, it would force politicians to state their own stances, not focus so heavily on their opponents. We never heard what Romney's stances were on a lot of things, and I think that actually hurt him in the final election. If you listened to the 3rd party debate at all, you would notice they spent most of their time talking about their own positions, not everyone else on the stage. I can't imagine how this would make it harder for other candidates to enter the political arena, especially 3rd party candidates who have no way to realistically challenge the 2 party system.
To whom it may concern regarding the United States federal elections of 2014, 2016 and beyond:
Allow me to introduce myself to you, the existing (or aspiring!) strategist for the Republican Party. My name is Eric Arnold Garland and I am a White Man. Boy, am I ever – you need sunglasses just to look at my photo!
If I read the news correctly, I fit a profile that is of extreme importance to the GOP, as I embody the archetype that fits your narrative of Real Americans. Just how much should my profile interest you? Are you sitting down?
How can I put this gently? My wife and I are not sensitive to your messaging, nor did we vote for the candidates you proposed for us this past Tuesday.
B-b-but, what? Aren’t we investors, hard-workin’ white folk surrounded by same in a manicured cul-de-sac, scared by a vision of economic collapse amidst the takers in a land of fewer givers? Didn’t Mitt Romney’s strong family, wealth, leadership history and chiseled chin give us the uncontrollable urge to high-five him into the White House?
No.
May I explain why not, purely for your education, such that you might be interested in winning an election on the national level at some point in the future? It bears pointing out that I should be your Low Hanging Fruit, the easy vote to get as opposed to, say, African-Americans, Latinos, or Asians – and you’re not even speaking well to me. The reasons why ought to concern you deeply.
As a Card-Carrying White Male I love expressing my opinion irrespective of whether people care to hear it, so let’s get started.
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Science - One of the reasons my family is affluent is that my wife and I have a collective fifteen years of university education between us. I have a Masters degree in Science and Technology Policy, and my wife is a physician who holds degrees in medicine as well as cell and molecular biology. We are really quite unimpressed with Congressional representatives such as Todd Akin and Paul Broun who actually serve on the House science committee and who believe, respectively, that rape does not cause pregnancy and that evolution and astrophysics are lies straight from Satan’s butt cheeks. These are, sadly, only two of innumerable assaults that the Republican Party has made against hard science – with nothing to say of logic in general. Please understand the unbearable tension this might create between us and your candidates.
Climate - Within just the past 18 months the following events have come to our attention: a record-breaking drought that sent temperatures over 100 degrees for weeks, killing half the corn in the Midwest and half the TREES on our suburban property – AND – a hurricane that drowned not New Orleans or Tampa or North Carolina but my native state of VERMONT. As an encore, a second hurricane drowned lower Manhattan, New Jersey and Long Island. The shouted views of decrepit mental fossil Senator James Inhofe of Oklahoma that this is a fraud perpetrated on the American people by evil, conspiring climate scientists is belied by such events and is looking irresponsible to even the most skeptical.
Healthcare - My wife and I are quite familiar with America’s healthcare system due to our professions, and having lived abroad extensively, also very aware of comparable systems. Your party’s insistence on declaring the private U.S. healthcare system “the best in the world” fails nearly every factual measure available to any curious mind. We watch our country piss away 60% more expenditures than the next most expensive system (Switzerland) for health outcomes that rival former Soviet bloc nations. On a personal scale, my wife watches poor WORKING people show up in emergency rooms with fourth-stage cancer because they were unable to afford primary care visits. I have watched countless small businesses unable to attract talented workers because of the outrageous and climbing cost of private insurance. And I watch European and Asian businesses outpace American companies because they can attract that talent without asking people to risk bankruptcy and death. That you think this state of affairs is somehow preferable to “Obamacare,” which you compared ludicrously to Trotskyite Russian communism, is a sign of deficient minds unfit to guide health policy in America.
War - Nations do have to go to war sometimes, but that Iraq thing was pretty bad, to put it mildly. Somebody should have been, I dunno – FIRED for bad performance. Aren’t you the party of good corporate managers or something? This topic could get 10,000 words on its own. Let’s just leave it at: You guys suck at running wars.
Deficits and debt - Whenever the GOP is out of power, it immediately appeals to the imagination of voters who remember the Lyndon Baines Johnson (!) administration and claim that the Republican alternative is the party of “cutting spending” and “reducing the deficit.” The only problem with your claim is that Republican governments throughout my entire 38 year life (Reagan, Bush 41, Bush 43) have failed to cut spending and deficit and debt EVEN ONCE. I hope you understand that your credibility suffers every time you promise one thing for three decades and do the EXACT OPPOSITE. Egads – if you actually were the party of fiscal responsibility – you might win our votes despite your 13th century view of science!
Gay marriage - As the child of Baby Boomers who got divorced (as was the fashion!) in the 80s and 90s, and for whom 50% of my friends had their homes broken by divorce in the critical years before age 18, I sure am unsympathetic to your caterwauling bullshit that “gays will destroy the sanctity of marriage.” Perhaps if everyone in your generation didn’t take the period of 1978 – 1995 to start surreptitiously banging their neighbors and coworkers, only to abandon their kids because “they just weren’t happy,” I would take your defense of marriage more seriously. The institution of Middle Class suburban marriage was broken by the generation of aging white Baby Boomers who populate what is left of the Republican Party, so your defense is wrongheaded and disingenuous. And moreover, as someone who got called “faggot” about 127 times a day from the years 1985 through 1991 – guess what – I grew up to be pretty good friends with actual homosexuals, whose sexual orientation is usually the least significant thing about them. The Republican perseveration on homosexuals as any sort of threat consigns them to history’s trough of intellectual pig dung.
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That’s quite enough for one essay, wouldn’t you say? Now, given my initial description as a wealthy, hard-working, job creating, heterosexual, married suburban White Male – doesn’t your current platform look woefully insufficient to the task of gaining my vote? This doesn’t even get into the demographic tensions that show that people of my exact profile are going away permanently in America. You can’t even win on what you perceive to be “home field advantage.”
Uh oh, wait, I can already hear you through the web browser, dismissing all of my above points because THAT GUY WAS NEVER GONNA BE A REPUBLICAN ANYHOW, CUZ HE’S A LIBRUL WHO HATES AMERICA AND…
All right, let’s do one last point:
Meanness- Your party is really mean, mocking and demonizing everyone who does not follow you into the pits of hell. You constantly imply – as Mitt Romney did in his “47% speech” – that anybody who disagrees with you does so not by logic or moral conviction, but because they are shiftless, lazy parasites who want “free stuff” from “traditional Americans.” Wow, you guys managed to follow up a stunning electoral defeat with insulting the very people you wish to attract for a majority in the political system! Brilliant! You are losing elections because being angry and defensive and just-plain-mean is more important than being smart and winning elections – and thus you deserve everything happening to you.
If you want to know exactly where you failed in 2012, and will continue to fail, here it is. Look you assholes, I’m as traditional an American as it gets, and I do not “want free stuff.” I am a taxpayer, and ALWAYS HAVE BEEN. I got my first job – dragging bags of cow manure, horse feed and fertilizer around a farm store – when I was 12. I started my first company when I was 28. I have followed the vast majority of the rules set out for middle class white males (for good and for ill.) And if it weren’t bad enough that your policy positions are a complete clusterfuck for the reasons I lay out in great detail, you manage to follow up the whole exercise with insulting me, my wife, and my friends of every stripe who didn’t vote for your political party – all of whom are hard-working, taxpaying, job creating, law abiding, great AMERICANS of EVERY COLOR AND CREED.
From this white, Mayflower-descended strategic analyst, allow me to offer you the three strategic options you have before you:
1. You drastically moderate your platform to harmonize with the policy positions I present above
2. You disband the party and reorganize it to reflect current realities
3. You kick and scream and stamp your feet and call me and my friends names – and submit to several decades of one party rule
While I do not want a one-party system, I also don’t particularly care which of these options you choose. If you look carefully at the numbers on Tuesday, nobody else cares, either.
Just a word to the wise from one White Man to (presumably) another.
Allow me to introduce myself to you, the existing (or aspiring!) strategist for the Republican Party. My name is Eric Arnold Garland and I am a White Man. Boy, am I ever – you need sunglasses just to look at my photo!
If I read the news correctly, I fit a profile that is of extreme importance to the GOP, as I embody the archetype that fits your narrative of Real Americans. Just how much should my profile interest you? Are you sitting down?
- My family lineage goes back to the MAYFLOWER, BOAT ONE!!! (Garland family of New England-> John Adams -> Howard Alden -> Plymouth colony ->KINGS OF MUTHAF***IN’ ENGLAND)
- I am a heterosexual, married to the super Caucasian mother of my two beautiful children who are, inexplicably, EVEN WHITER THAN I AM.
- I am college educated (Master’s degree!) and affluent.
- I am a job creator and small businessman.
- We pay a lot of taxes! Every year!
- I grew up in a rural area and despise laziness!
- Having started my own business, I have complained at length about the insanity of federal, state and local bureaucracy – and its deleterious impact on the innovative small businessman.
- I currently live in the suburbs in a historically Red state.
How can I put this gently? My wife and I are not sensitive to your messaging, nor did we vote for the candidates you proposed for us this past Tuesday.
B-b-but, what? Aren’t we investors, hard-workin’ white folk surrounded by same in a manicured cul-de-sac, scared by a vision of economic collapse amidst the takers in a land of fewer givers? Didn’t Mitt Romney’s strong family, wealth, leadership history and chiseled chin give us the uncontrollable urge to high-five him into the White House?
No.
May I explain why not, purely for your education, such that you might be interested in winning an election on the national level at some point in the future? It bears pointing out that I should be your Low Hanging Fruit, the easy vote to get as opposed to, say, African-Americans, Latinos, or Asians – and you’re not even speaking well to me. The reasons why ought to concern you deeply.
As a Card-Carrying White Male I love expressing my opinion irrespective of whether people care to hear it, so let’s get started.
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Science - One of the reasons my family is affluent is that my wife and I have a collective fifteen years of university education between us. I have a Masters degree in Science and Technology Policy, and my wife is a physician who holds degrees in medicine as well as cell and molecular biology. We are really quite unimpressed with Congressional representatives such as Todd Akin and Paul Broun who actually serve on the House science committee and who believe, respectively, that rape does not cause pregnancy and that evolution and astrophysics are lies straight from Satan’s butt cheeks. These are, sadly, only two of innumerable assaults that the Republican Party has made against hard science – with nothing to say of logic in general. Please understand the unbearable tension this might create between us and your candidates.
Climate - Within just the past 18 months the following events have come to our attention: a record-breaking drought that sent temperatures over 100 degrees for weeks, killing half the corn in the Midwest and half the TREES on our suburban property – AND – a hurricane that drowned not New Orleans or Tampa or North Carolina but my native state of VERMONT. As an encore, a second hurricane drowned lower Manhattan, New Jersey and Long Island. The shouted views of decrepit mental fossil Senator James Inhofe of Oklahoma that this is a fraud perpetrated on the American people by evil, conspiring climate scientists is belied by such events and is looking irresponsible to even the most skeptical.
Healthcare - My wife and I are quite familiar with America’s healthcare system due to our professions, and having lived abroad extensively, also very aware of comparable systems. Your party’s insistence on declaring the private U.S. healthcare system “the best in the world” fails nearly every factual measure available to any curious mind. We watch our country piss away 60% more expenditures than the next most expensive system (Switzerland) for health outcomes that rival former Soviet bloc nations. On a personal scale, my wife watches poor WORKING people show up in emergency rooms with fourth-stage cancer because they were unable to afford primary care visits. I have watched countless small businesses unable to attract talented workers because of the outrageous and climbing cost of private insurance. And I watch European and Asian businesses outpace American companies because they can attract that talent without asking people to risk bankruptcy and death. That you think this state of affairs is somehow preferable to “Obamacare,” which you compared ludicrously to Trotskyite Russian communism, is a sign of deficient minds unfit to guide health policy in America.
War - Nations do have to go to war sometimes, but that Iraq thing was pretty bad, to put it mildly. Somebody should have been, I dunno – FIRED for bad performance. Aren’t you the party of good corporate managers or something? This topic could get 10,000 words on its own. Let’s just leave it at: You guys suck at running wars.
Deficits and debt - Whenever the GOP is out of power, it immediately appeals to the imagination of voters who remember the Lyndon Baines Johnson (!) administration and claim that the Republican alternative is the party of “cutting spending” and “reducing the deficit.” The only problem with your claim is that Republican governments throughout my entire 38 year life (Reagan, Bush 41, Bush 43) have failed to cut spending and deficit and debt EVEN ONCE. I hope you understand that your credibility suffers every time you promise one thing for three decades and do the EXACT OPPOSITE. Egads – if you actually were the party of fiscal responsibility – you might win our votes despite your 13th century view of science!
Gay marriage - As the child of Baby Boomers who got divorced (as was the fashion!) in the 80s and 90s, and for whom 50% of my friends had their homes broken by divorce in the critical years before age 18, I sure am unsympathetic to your caterwauling bullshit that “gays will destroy the sanctity of marriage.” Perhaps if everyone in your generation didn’t take the period of 1978 – 1995 to start surreptitiously banging their neighbors and coworkers, only to abandon their kids because “they just weren’t happy,” I would take your defense of marriage more seriously. The institution of Middle Class suburban marriage was broken by the generation of aging white Baby Boomers who populate what is left of the Republican Party, so your defense is wrongheaded and disingenuous. And moreover, as someone who got called “faggot” about 127 times a day from the years 1985 through 1991 – guess what – I grew up to be pretty good friends with actual homosexuals, whose sexual orientation is usually the least significant thing about them. The Republican perseveration on homosexuals as any sort of threat consigns them to history’s trough of intellectual pig dung.
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That’s quite enough for one essay, wouldn’t you say? Now, given my initial description as a wealthy, hard-working, job creating, heterosexual, married suburban White Male – doesn’t your current platform look woefully insufficient to the task of gaining my vote? This doesn’t even get into the demographic tensions that show that people of my exact profile are going away permanently in America. You can’t even win on what you perceive to be “home field advantage.”
Uh oh, wait, I can already hear you through the web browser, dismissing all of my above points because THAT GUY WAS NEVER GONNA BE A REPUBLICAN ANYHOW, CUZ HE’S A LIBRUL WHO HATES AMERICA AND…
All right, let’s do one last point:
Meanness- Your party is really mean, mocking and demonizing everyone who does not follow you into the pits of hell. You constantly imply – as Mitt Romney did in his “47% speech” – that anybody who disagrees with you does so not by logic or moral conviction, but because they are shiftless, lazy parasites who want “free stuff” from “traditional Americans.” Wow, you guys managed to follow up a stunning electoral defeat with insulting the very people you wish to attract for a majority in the political system! Brilliant! You are losing elections because being angry and defensive and just-plain-mean is more important than being smart and winning elections – and thus you deserve everything happening to you.
If you want to know exactly where you failed in 2012, and will continue to fail, here it is. Look you assholes, I’m as traditional an American as it gets, and I do not “want free stuff.” I am a taxpayer, and ALWAYS HAVE BEEN. I got my first job – dragging bags of cow manure, horse feed and fertilizer around a farm store – when I was 12. I started my first company when I was 28. I have followed the vast majority of the rules set out for middle class white males (for good and for ill.) And if it weren’t bad enough that your policy positions are a complete clusterfuck for the reasons I lay out in great detail, you manage to follow up the whole exercise with insulting me, my wife, and my friends of every stripe who didn’t vote for your political party – all of whom are hard-working, taxpaying, job creating, law abiding, great AMERICANS of EVERY COLOR AND CREED.
From this white, Mayflower-descended strategic analyst, allow me to offer you the three strategic options you have before you:
1. You drastically moderate your platform to harmonize with the policy positions I present above
2. You disband the party and reorganize it to reflect current realities
3. You kick and scream and stamp your feet and call me and my friends names – and submit to several decades of one party rule
While I do not want a one-party system, I also don’t particularly care which of these options you choose. If you look carefully at the numbers on Tuesday, nobody else cares, either.
Just a word to the wise from one White Man to (presumably) another.
http://www.examiner.com/article/citizens-four-more-states-file-petitions-to-secede-from-united-state
I find this kind of ironic, considering most of this is a bunch of dumbass, rednecks who "love" this country so much.
I find this kind of ironic, considering most of this is a bunch of dumbass, rednecks who "love" this country so much.
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JCM
We need another third party for the reasonable Republicans who are not religious or racist fucktards, to keep the democrats in check.
Because the only idiots who voted Romney are pretty much the racist and religious fucktards.
Because the only idiots who voted Romney are pretty much the racist and religious fucktards.
This is true, and shows how much the current republican party is a shell of its former self.
I don't think so. The southern whites left the Democrats in droves after JFK and LBJ pushed the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act through. They've been red states ever since.
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JCM
True. And Like what I said, we need a third party for the Republicans who are not religious or racist fucktards, to keep the democrats in check.
Simply the fucktard racist states switched party when the Republicans started becoming more fanatical and teh democrats, more reasonable towards race. People judge the U.S. by it´s political parties, when its just the same damn assholes (and their future generations) in the same damn states giving whatever party they´re in a bad name.
While I disagree with much of the more libertarian right (real libertarians, not the rich-sponsored joke that was the Tea Party), with today´s Republican party being a home to the religious racists, we need another party that is about personal responsibility and keeping government in check, and small, around.
A two-party system will simply mean the democrats winning over and over, if the right does not get rid of the ultra-religious Republican party and its own "scare away any decent voter" news channel, Fox News. The U.S. might be too great an industrial and consumerist powerhouse to fail like many EU countries, but its never good for a country to be in the grasp of just one party.
Or a miracle might happen and they might find a Bill Clinton of their own, who may form a new party ideological platform ala a "New Republicans" movement. If Bill Clinton managed to make a non-electable democrat party be vote-able by shutting up the control freaks and promoting deregulation of critical industries, forgoing the tax-happy past and giving tax-breaks to the middle class and poor and giving focus to the economy, its not impossible for a new movement to turn the Republican ship away from "the idiots who want to shove trans-vaginal ultrasounds and make idiotic comments about rape" party into saner waters.[DOUBLEPOST=1352813086][/DOUBLEPOST]What's with GasBandit´s avatar appearing on Stienman´s quotes?
That was because of shifts in where people saw themselves, that is not the same group of people that did the freeing of the slaves back then.
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JCM
Looking back at the political party maps, the racist states were democrats for up to the 1900s.
1900
1904
Up to the time when the democratic electoral vote was supreme
Only at around 1964 did the Republicans start getting the Southern states (although the previous elections gave the Republicans Florida)
And from then on the South went more and more Republican (up to Reagan, who pretty much locked in which States would become diehard Republicans), and the better states became more and more Democratic (with JFK, then Clinton, locking in which states would become diehard Democrat).
Of course there were temporary shifts, with Nixon winning almost all states for Republicans, and Carter winning only the South for the democrats, but basically the USA has become a democracy in the way that only the swing states decide, everyone else is pretty much useless. Thus the need of a reformed Republican party, or a third party.
1900
1904
Up to the time when the democratic electoral vote was supreme
Only at around 1964 did the Republicans start getting the Southern states (although the previous elections gave the Republicans Florida)
And from then on the South went more and more Republican (up to Reagan, who pretty much locked in which States would become diehard Republicans), and the better states became more and more Democratic (with JFK, then Clinton, locking in which states would become diehard Democrat).
Of course there were temporary shifts, with Nixon winning almost all states for Republicans, and Carter winning only the South for the democrats, but basically the USA has become a democracy in the way that only the swing states decide, everyone else is pretty much useless. Thus the need of a reformed Republican party, or a third party.
The two parties have forced the current situation where they appeal to people's emotional politics in order to get votes. While the electoral college makes a nice stark red/blue image, you really should take a look at a county by county map, shaded purple with the mixture of the two. Calling an entire voting block "racist and religious f**ktards" is the same partisan phrasing the campaigns enjoy and promote in order to divide people emotionally. People who believe that sort of rhetoric are the problem, and they exist in both parties in about equal numbers.
That's not going to change. So the parties - both of them - use the same tactics in order to get those independent votes.
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JCM
Which is why I admire Clinton. The guy might have made some decisions that helped fuck up the economy later, but his moving his party from the left to center pretty much gave the democrats 15 states, yes, not everyone in those southern States are racist arseholes, but the majority keeps voting on racist arseholes. Which is why I call Brazil a country of lazy communist idiots, because they´d rather vote on the most corrupt officials who are going to leave the country a broke nation in 10 years to get more benefits, than on the more educated party that actually got Brazil to be a powerhouse. Thankfully, we don not have Fox-news type of religious idiocy here though.
Anyway, those racist arsholes in the majority make it harder for the Republicans to change. The democrats had nothing to lose in 92, having lost by huge margins to the Republicans for a few elections running. But I doubt the Republicans can ever get the balls to change away from anti-women/gay/blacks/hispanic/immigrant and ye-must-obey-mah-bible rethoric that makes sure they win the same 15-20 states automatically every election, back to the "free labor, free land, free men" party Lincoln envisioned.
And with women, latinos, african-americans and gays, as well as moderates, becoming the bigger voter block in the US, and old angry white farmers dying out, the Republican party will not survive without change.
Anyway, those racist arsholes in the majority make it harder for the Republicans to change. The democrats had nothing to lose in 92, having lost by huge margins to the Republicans for a few elections running. But I doubt the Republicans can ever get the balls to change away from anti-women/gay/blacks/hispanic/immigrant and ye-must-obey-mah-bible rethoric that makes sure they win the same 15-20 states automatically every election, back to the "free labor, free land, free men" party Lincoln envisioned.
And with women, latinos, african-americans and gays, as well as moderates, becoming the bigger voter block in the US, and old angry white farmers dying out, the Republican party will not survive without change.
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Ahem! I know, I'm a broken record sometimes. The thing is, having a "third" party won't keep the democrats in check, it will hand them everything on a silver platter because the rest of the vote will be split. What needs to happen is either the republican party needs to be replaced, or the entire party system done away with in favor of (say it with me now, everybody, I know you know the words) instant runoff elections.
Yet listen to any GoP talking head: -We don't need to change, we just need to try REALLY hard to make them understand what we stand for! We obviously weren't trying hard enough in the past because if people just understood what we mean when we say things, they'd think like we do-
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JCM
The problem is the message that is being heard is something like this
Sorry, as long as they keep pandering to the ultra-religious and racist right, no matter how good their message is, it will get drowned out every time some dumbass Republican does something stupid, which is every damn day (or when Donal Trump is bored make that twice a day).
I believe that Reagan's and Lincoln's Republican party had great idiologies, and could even be applied to a third-world country like Brazil with great success, but today's Republicans are pretty much a modern slavery-era Democratic party, with a tv and radio channel and loud pundits, even Reagan and Lincoln wouldn't be able to run in today's republican party.
FoxNews said:
Sorry, as long as they keep pandering to the ultra-religious and racist right, no matter how good their message is, it will get drowned out every time some dumbass Republican does something stupid, which is every damn day (or when Donal Trump is bored make that twice a day).
I believe that Reagan's and Lincoln's Republican party had great idiologies, and could even be applied to a third-world country like Brazil with great success, but today's Republicans are pretty much a modern slavery-era Democratic party, with a tv and radio channel and loud pundits, even Reagan and Lincoln wouldn't be able to run in today's republican party.
What makes me laugh are all the conservatives up north here are saying that they want to move to Canada because Obama won the election.
CANADA, you know, the socialist nightmare that the republican party is railing against?
I find it extremely funny and indicative of the ignorance of those people about the world.
CANADA, you know, the socialist nightmare that the republican party is railing against?
I find it extremely funny and indicative of the ignorance of those people about the world.
Where do you want them to go? There are only a few civilized parts of the world that speak 'Merican, and Canadia is one of them. It's either them or England, and they talk kinda funny too.
I'd find it even funnier if they DID move and ended up in Quebec.
Isn't the Republic of Congo a Republican wonderland?
Belize is generally where wealthy American ex-pats go to form their very own fiefdoms. Some of the reasons...
- It's remote but not so remote you can't get stuff shipped in or not get internet
- The dollar goes a long way down there
- It's English speaking (or at least English is spoken by a lot of people down there)
- The locals are very susceptible to bribes
- Pretty sure it doesn't have an extradition treaty with the US
If your rich and tired of dealing with the American government, but don't want to learn another language, it's basically paradise. Hell, John McAfee went down there. Just don't go talk to him right now, he's wanted for murder.
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According to a source that knows a friend that might not be unfamiliar with a non-Fox news employee's cousin on his second Mormon wife's side, vaginas of undecided voters get up at night and mail-in vote Democrat.
That's why Obama won.
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