The Ebola virus will never satisfy its lust for organ failure and hemorrhage

Not only has this latest outbreak killed more people than all previous outbreaks combined, at nearly 2,000 dead it rivals many military conflicts occuring right now (Gaza, Ukraine) although Syria outstrips all of them by another 100,000 dead.

Ebola is currently found in 5 countries: Guinea, Liberia, Sierra Leone, Nigeria, and the USA (voluntarily brought here to attempt to save two US citizens infected with the disease, and the further study it and this specific strain).

It is not transmitted through the air, and it doesn't go through your skin. You have to not only come into direct contact with the bodily fluids of a noticably infected person, but those fluids have to enter your body through cuts, open sores, mucus membranes (nose, eyes, mouth, other orifices) before you can become infected.

So it's actually not a very easy to transmit disease, save for the fact that if you care for someone who is ill, you are likely to come into frequent contact with their vomit or diarrhea, and so without care and attention you can become infected. It can survive on surfaces for an extended period of time.

The greatest way to stop infection is to educate people - if someone in their family or community becomes sick, they should not attempt to treat them, they should be cared for in a medical facility with appropriate safeguards. This is why, even if it's released into the wild in the US, it wouldn't get very far.

There is no cure or treatment for Ebola. It runs its course, and currently treatment for symptoms is all that medical staff can do. Death occurs in up to half the cases of infection. More in some places, less in others, so we can probably reduce mortality with good medical care, but even in good conditions 1 in 5 infected will die.

It's currently believed that bats can carry it and incubate it. It kills primates, so infection from that source is unlikely. Investigators have traced this current outbreak to a suspect patient zero - a 2 year old child who became sick near the end of last year, died in a matter of weeks, whose family also died after suffering the same illness, and then people in the community started becoming ill and dying. There's no "smoking gun" as to how she got it, but the most likely theory is that she ate a fruit that an infect bat nibbled on and left saliva behind.

Public education and isolation are the only tools that will stop the outbreak at this point in time.
 

Dave

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Thread: The fact that most funeral ceremonies in Africa (at least in the affected areas) have touching and kissing of the body and ebola is extremely contagious post-mortem, this poses a serious risk that is difficult to combat because you're basically telling people to not mourn their dead in the manner in which they were raised or accustomed. I don't think it would be as much a problem in more "first world" areas because of sanitation and customs.

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Why can't they all send them to one secured place instead of flying them across continents for treatment?
 
Well, the two cases we've imported intentionally have survived and no secondary infections have occurred from them to care providers. I'm hoping the Omaha case survives as well, if so this supports the theory that exceptional care, as provided in first world countries, not only decreases mortality, but can do so without increasing risk to others.

As long as doctors are on alert and test patients showing symptoms, then investigate and test all those the infected have come into close contact with, we shouldn't see significant (more than 10-20) outbreaks even if it's imported without care.
 

Zappit

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We really need to throw down some serious travel restrictions about now, because cases will keep coming in until there's a major outbreak here.
 

Dave

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There won't be a major outbreak here. The way the disease transmits is way too specialized to have a big outbreak in a country like the US.
 
There won't be a major outbreak here. The way the disease transmits is way too specialized to have a big outbreak in a country like the US.
Shows what you know. The U.S. is one of the EASIEST places to infect. It's Iceland and Madagasgar that are toughest because they're only accessible by ship.

Wait, we're not talking about Plague Inc, are we?
 
There won't be a major outbreak here. The way the disease transmits is way too specialized to have a big outbreak in a country like the US.
If it grabs a foothold in a poor urban population we could see dozens or hundreds of deaths in the US.

But even that's not too likely. Once one case is found, they do a pretty extensive investigation into who they might have had contact with and test people while instructing them on how to minimize risk of transfer until the tests come back.

Distrust and poor communication in certain populations of the US will be our biggest risk, and given the anti vaccine crowd's success at disinformation and fergusen reducing the trust level of authority figures in some groups, we may see an interesting situation.

Still, I don't see it making a big impact here.
 

GasBandit

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I've read (and perhaps it was here) that one of the reasons it gets around in Africa is due to some very unsanitary funereal practices that are part of the culture - IE, kissing the departed, etc. I think, here in the States, we're a bit more eager to adopt quarantine practices.

Edit - yeah, I did read it here. Dave's post half a page up.
 
Ebola doesn't transmit if you aren't actually actively sick. When you are sick (looks like the common cold), physical contact must be avoid as well as any fluids that come from the body such as sweat, saliva, urine and feces.

It's a disease that is easily preventable by proper hygiene. Clean your hands. Bathe yourself. Do what you should normally do.

If it's properly taken care of, the infected in Dallas will most likely live and the caretakers be supervised for some time afterwards.

People who shared his flight aren't affected and quite frankly beyond not admitting the sick on the planes, there's not much you can do to avoid dormant carriers on-board until newer tech presents itself.

This is truly an African disease due to poor health conditions, western medicine superstition (they consult shamans...) as well as ridiculous burial rights where they bathe, kiss, touch... etc... the dead.
 
Reminds me of yesterday morning, on the MRT ride to work, I watched a guy play Plague Inc on his phone. My god he was bad at it. He'd apparently only just downloaded it and started playing, since he'd only unlocked bacteria (the first plague type) but he was doing everything wrong. He'd buy symptoms from the start, and only buy symptoms, until the world figured out a cure five minutes later.

I wanted to take his hand and teach him how to play.
 
Is it morally reprehensible to try to spin this into an excuse to not got to work tomorrow? Yes. Will I try it anyway? Of course. I mean that hospital is only 10 miles away! clearly I should stay home at a much safer 11 miles away.
 
The preservative is GMO free and pesticide free, organically grown kale.

BOOM, done in one. It'll fly off the shelves.
 
Ahem.

E. coli

/Nomenclature Nazi

Does anyone else hear the Ricola jingle when the news mentions Ebola?
I actually debated looking up whether it was capitalized or not, because I thought I'd had to do that before, but then I realized I hadn't italicized it either and was all, "Meh, I'll just post it."
Thanks, though. Now I'll remember it for at least another 6 months.

And no, I don't hear the jingle.

--Patrick
 
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