We seem to be heading for a "you either die a hero or live long enough to become the villain" situation for some of the group ... meaning Rick and Carol.
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Now THAT was one of the most miserable deaths I've seen on Walking Dead. Alone, and without any means to speed their passing.
If you think about it, death by zombie would probably be agonizingly slow. Unless a zombie quickly severed a major artery, its victim would likely suffer a death of a thousand cuts.
If you think about it, death by zombie would probably be agonizingly slow. Unless a zombie quickly severed a major artery, its victim would likely suffer a death of a thousand cuts.
They should have shot Nicholas and dumped his body on site after he ran twice, especially after it got Noah killed.
I cried.
Also, fuck Gabriel. They saved his life in s5e2, and he's contributed not a damn thing in the entire time. Just dead weight, and now he's lost his mind on top of that.
The character hasn't even been around that long, but I was attached to him. That was awful in every way. And Tara might be on her way to death too.
When Glen was calling Nicholas through the door, I thought he was shouting "dickless."
I had a feeling things were going that way with Sam's dad/Jessie's husband.
When Glen was calling Nicholas through the door, I thought he was shouting "dickless."
I had a feeling things were going that way with Sam's dad/Jessie's husband.
Also, fuck Gabriel. They saved his life in s5e2, and he's contributed not a damn thing in the entire time. Just dead weight, and now he's lost his mind on top of that.
It's been hours and that scene is still fucking me up.
Goddammit Gabriel. This is why we can't have nice things.
I don't blame Gabriel too much.
These are the people who came into a place he considers to be sacred and pretty much destroyed it. They killed people in his church, tore it apart, and got drunk off the communion wine. Then they rubbed his nose in the one thing he regrets more than anything. He then saw them at their worst. Scrounging to survive, and basically walking the line on whether to just give up or keep fighting.
He never really connected with the group, and they basically treated him like an outcast the whole time. My guess is his time is nearly up.
He never really connected with the group, and they basically treated him like an outcast the whole time. My guess is his time is nearly up.
Except they saved his life. They had nothing to gain from doing so, he even said they were God answering his cry for help.
I don't think he forgot that either; I think he's guilt-wracked, judging them, knowing he shouldn't, and is still grateful. Everything's swirling like a mess inside him and he's pretty much lost it. If he just thought the group was bad, he wouldn't have been tearing up the Bible. He's not all there right now.
They did, but nothing he said was wrong. So far at alexandria they've
Stolen guns from them.
Plotted to take alexandria from them if they can't hack it.
Threatened a child.
All for no reason other than it's just what they do.
Plotted to take alexandria from them if they can't hack it.
Threatened a child.
All for no reason other than it's just what they do.
Just because they do some good, doesn't excuse all the crap they pull. They really could use someone to call them on it. Too bad they keep killing those people off.
I think it's a bit unfair to say that it's "just what they do". They've been offered paradise in the wasteland and simply aren't willing to give it up. This doesn't mean they WANT to kill people and take over, but they aren't about to let some folks who haven't had to deal with the worst of it ruin the closest thing to the old world there is. I'd do the same thing.
If they can cut it, nothing will happen. But, realistically, the Mayor is going to step down long before she'd actually fight Rick and his crew. She can't win and she knows it.
If they can cut it, nothing will happen. But, realistically, the Mayor is going to step down long before she'd actually fight Rick and his crew. She can't win and she knows it.
I'm not gonna get into every little thing they've because I think it's more complicated than you're depicting, but I just mean Gabriel is calling them the literal devil in paradise, but that doesn't explain them saving his life. Unless he considers that an evil act because of what he did to his last set of parishioners.
This isn't a community or safe area they built. It's one that they were invited into. They don't get to make their own rules just because they've seen some shit.
There aren't any rules anymore. That's what makes the world so dangerous, moreso than the zombies.
The world yes, but what about the group? Rick and Carol are quickly turning them into a group no better than the governor, or terminus.
I know it's been a recurring theme each season for rick to lose his humanity and then gain it back. It's getting a bit old though. The stuff they're doing now is just plain stupid, and he's just shooting himself in the foot.
That's more or less how they became in the comic, too. Rick's group as a whole, I mean. Until they met someone much worse than all of them.
I missed the episode where Rick's group started eating people.
I never said they did. The cannibals used the logic that they had to do whatever was necessary to survive, and they would never be taken advantage of again.
Sounds like the same logic that they use to justify the idea of taking alexandria by force if needed.
Actually, the logic there is that they've found the only sustainable settlement for hundreds of miles and they'll be damned if they are going to let it fall apart because the people who lucked into it aren't willing to handle problems decisively.
And Rick's freak out notwithstanding, it's still justified. The surgeon was just going to keep beating his wife until she died, probably move onto his son, and then try to take it out on the rest of community. This is how abusers work. So at some point, the people of Alexandria had to decide what it was worth to keep him around... but the moment they decided it was "any price", it stopped being civilization. Now it's just a town full of people waiting to be taken over by someone else... and really, they could do worse than Rick's group.
We've seen Rick here before. End of season 2, mid-season 3.
It's always been tolerated before, but not now. Makes me worried that the finale is going to be splitting the group, but I'm holding hope that they can pull everyone together with this common enemy that Daryl and Erin are closing in on.[/spoiler[
Okay, I laughed:
Okay, I laughed:
Wasn't he trying not to kill him?
As he was pretty much told he'd only get exiled if he did, wink, wink...
Sort of? There was a lot of hemming and hawing.
- Carol says kill him, Rick says okay
- Rick says separate him, Dianna says then what?
- Rick says kill him, Dianna says no
- Rick says Pete will kill Jesse, Dianna says then we exile him
- Rick wants Pete to leave, Pete says no
- Pete attacks Rick, Rick goes into auto-counter attack mode like he did when Tyrese hit him after they found Karen's body in season 4; I don't think he would've hit Carl on purpose.
- Rick says separate him, Dianna says then what?
- Rick says kill him, Dianna says no
- Rick says Pete will kill Jesse, Dianna says then we exile him
- Rick wants Pete to leave, Pete says no
- Pete attacks Rick, Rick goes into auto-counter attack mode like he did when Tyrese hit him after they found Karen's body in season 4; I don't think he would've hit Carl on purpose.
So, no one wants to do anything about it but Rick, and no one wants Rick to do anything about it. I wonder if Dianna has ever heard of this thing called arrest ...
I have a feeling none of it's going to matter by halfway through the big season finale. Daryl and Erin are homing in on W. I feel like we're getting to get a real piss of a cliffhanger.
Actually i'm pretty sure i remember leader-lady implying Rick should just kill him and take the exile...
When?
When they where having the talk about it and she said she knew he abused his wife?
She was all "we don't kill people, just exile them"... and then there was a part where she said they'd only exile Rick if he killed the guy or some-such...
"We don't kill people." "Don't suggest it again." "I wouldn't kill you. I'd just send you away."
Not really seeing this endorsement of his desire to kill Pete, even as a means to get rid of Rick. Not even insinuation.
Yeah, because that was a necessary comment after saying they don't kill people... and after telling him separating Pete from his family wouldn't work (because the cocept of jail is alien to them now?).
If she wanted him gone that way, she wouldn't warn him. If she wanted him gone, he wouldn't have to kill someone. She's in charge; she can exile someone at a word. He didn't kill Pete at the episode's end and she was saying it was clear who shouldn't be there. Having that as a ploy is unnecessary. (But yeah, I don't know why the hell jail is something they can't comprehend. What is the point of Rick having a law enforcement position if there is nothing to enforce--just to make the place seem more normal?)
I shouldn't be in this thread until I watch the finale now that it's aired.
Yeah, i didn't interpret it as her trying to get rid of Rick, but her telling him that he could kill Pete if he wanted to fix the situation, as she'd only exile him for it...
I mean Rick tells Pete he's trying to save his life at the start of their fight, which makes no sense if she was really not offering that as an alternative to Rick's suggestion that they separate Pete from his family.
She just told him in a round about way so no one could say she approved... classic politician BS.
This is probably the best season finale for the series yet. Also, they announced the spin-off series, Beware the Walking Dead, is starting in the summer.
Ain't nothing political about what happened in the finale though.
To save him from Rick, doing what he' have to do. Rick wouldn't go along with it to get exiled; she didn't know about his takeover backup plan. If it was her intent all along, she wouldn't have been shouting for Rick to stop. What you're suggesting doesn't add up considering both characters' points of view.
Also in the finale
her order to Rick was clearly a change of mind/
Not crazy about the title and I'm not sure I care to watch starting from scratch in L.A. We'll see. But yeah, this finale was rough in many places.
They toyed so hard with thinking a major character was going to die, but now I'm all the more nervous about next season when these Wolves are at the door.
Wait that was the finale?! Fuck I thought that was the penultimate. Man, I want more. That was a great episode.
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It's penultimate for next season. We're in for some bad shit, methinks.
On reflection, it isn't much of a feat to have the best finale on this show. The best finale up to now was season 2.
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I think Glenn will get his head smashed in during the mid-season finale.