I knew Amadues Cho becoming the Hulk was a bad idea, but I didn't know it'd get THIS bad!
[Comics] The "Let's Bitch about Comics thread!"
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Unless Banner Hulk comes back now that his cousin is dead. Dude has enough ammo on these chuckleheads already with the whole "shot me to a planet and then blew it up along with my friends and wife" so this would be the final straw for sure.
Except it was his brood that blew everything up, and Hulk's own rage that caused the ship to go off course, get sucked into a wormhole and land on a backwards gladiator planet instead of a peaceful eden-esque world. Frankly when it comes to World War Hulk, the green guy was pretty full of shit. It's largely why they had to take him out of the comics for a while and gave his book to Hercules.
Apparently She-Hulk isn't dead yet, but clinging to life. Which is stupid because her healing factor should have already solved the problem if that was the case. But if it's Banner, that won't matter as far as him flying into a rage.
OR we get a self-fulfilling prophecy, i.e. everyone heading to go deal with the Hulk results in him Hulking out and trying to kill them.
Also in this issue--Tony Stark kidnaps and tortures a teenager, then jokes about it. I swear the writing in this couldn't get lazier, but I'm sure a later issue will prove me wrong.
OR we get a self-fulfilling prophecy, i.e. everyone heading to go deal with the Hulk results in him Hulking out and trying to kill them.
Also in this issue--Tony Stark kidnaps and tortures a teenager, then jokes about it. I swear the writing in this couldn't get lazier, but I'm sure a later issue will prove me wrong.
Civil War: Tony Stark gets to be a monster! EVERY TIME.
What I've read of CW2 so far, including a couple tie-ins, really paints Tony as this moustache-twirling villain. Like, Parker uses the Inhuman well, by tailing someone he had a vision about and making sure they are going to commit whatever crime instead of going all Minority Report like Stark seems to think everyone will.
I agree with Tony only in that they know nothing about this guy and shouldn't implicitly trust him, so Spider-man has the right idea. But the comic isn't going that way; they just have Tony being ridiculous. "Rhodey shouldn't have even been there!" It. Was. THANOS. What would've happened if the group hadn't been forewarned? Probably something a lot worse. For global disaster level threats, there's no Minority Report issue to even worry about. They didn't go seek out Thanos and beat him up on his space toilet (granted, I'm not caught up in The Ultimates, so maybe they did that too). He arrived on Earth and found Earth ready and waiting.
Hey kids! Remember the Spider-Man Clone Saga? One of the worst storylines that lasted way too long and turned many fans away from comics forever?
Well, get ready for the NEW Clone Saga! The Clone Conspiracy is the new name for the Dead No More storyline. All those people apparently coming back to life? CLONES! Yay! Isn't that exciting!?
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/06...one-conspiracy-the-new-name-for-dead-no-more/
Well, get ready for the NEW Clone Saga! The Clone Conspiracy is the new name for the Dead No More storyline. All those people apparently coming back to life? CLONES! Yay! Isn't that exciting!?
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/06...one-conspiracy-the-new-name-for-dead-no-more/
Can we just fucking get Deadpool to perma-kill the Jackal so we don't have to deal with the horrible fucking stories he's usually involved in?
Come on, that's not fair. Jackal's a great character who has been a participant in many great Spider-Man stories.
You know, like...uh.
Well, okay, there was...
Oh, how about that time when...
You know what? Never mind.
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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Fucking hell, I'm so glad I'm not reading Spider-man ANYTHING right now. Son of a bitch.
Fuck this. Fuck all of this again. Five issue mini-series ... we'll see. Five issues is one issue more than each month was of the old Clone Saga.
I want Slott to retire or just fuck off somewhere that's not writing comics. I want it so bad I can taste it.
I guess since they've run out of good ideas to re-hash, now we're down to re-hashing shit like Civil War and Clone Saga.
Fuck I'd almost take Bendis over Slott.
Picking up some DC Rebirth stuff tomorrow (well, post-Rebirth, not the ones labelled Rebirth). First DC comics I've ever purchased. We'll see how that goes. Credit where it's due, although stuff like putting Watchmen in and making there be three Jokers might detract from those as concepts on their own, the presence creates opportunities for new stories to be told, something DC is making possible and wants to happen, as opposed to what I'm noticing at Marvel where they want to keep regurgitating. Which is funny to say since DC is bringing in old things in order to make new things.
Marvel editor-in-chief Axel Alonso has already revealed why Captain America was recently revealed to be a Hydra agent.
He's not. His memories were tampered by Kobik, a little girl that's a sentient Cosmic Cube, at the behest of the Red Skull.
Wow.... that doesn't sound like mind control at all (/sarcasm)
HAHA IT'S NOT MIND CONTROL OR A CLONE THIS IS REALLY CAP GUYS pls buy comics
I honestly never got the ire. It's like when they kill off a character. Do you REALLY think they would make CAPTAIN FRIGGING AMERICA a Nazi?
I thought the ire was because people could see a shitty plot coming a mile away with this one? No one honestly believed Cap would be a nazi, but everyone knew the explanation was going to be crap.
No, there were people who were legitimately angry at it, that it was a huge disrespect to the character and his Jewish creators.
To which I usually replied with, "And you don't think Marvel doesn't know that? They're not stupid enough to make it anything more than a headline-grabbing shock that'll be undone soon enough."
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It is a huge disrespect to the character and his Jewish creators precisely because they handled the PR so horribly. Instead of saying "you'll just have to read to see why", they adamantly said "it's not mind control, it's not a clone, etc.", they wanted so desperately for people to believe that Captain America was really Hydra that they lied through their teeth. They weren't subtle, they weren't smart, and they weren't respectful, of either the character's history or their reader's intelligence. They may not be stupid enough to have actually made Cap into a traitor, but they were stupid enough to try to convince everyone that they had done such a thing.
Not to mention all the comic reading kids who had their hero exposed as a monster, with Marvel PR dashing their hopes of it not being real on the rocks. -We- might understand that it was never going to stick or possibly even be real, but Marvel comics do, in fact, have kids reading them now thanks to the success of the movies. I literally had to sit down and have "the talk" (comics version) with the child of a younger cousin of mine and explain what was happening and why he didn't need to be worried about it or even feel betrayed. If the goal of this was to get more people to buy comics, they failed because he was ready to stop reading them after this.
We need to stop treating comics as a medium for 13-35 year olds. Not when we're releasing major block buster movies about them and marketing them to kids.
Yup. The outrage would've been tiny, if at all existent, had Marvel's PR team not gone "nah-nah, look what we did with your precious Captain America!"
Obviously it's a slimy cashgrab, but that's no reason to be so transparent about it.
I actually feel bad for Nick Spencer at this point. He could've just told his story, but Marvel's PR had to go and be a bunch of bastards about it. And the Ramsay Snow kind, not the Jon Snow kind.[DOUBLEPOST=1467154345,1467153946][/DOUBLEPOST]
I'm looking forward to whatever new, great-sounding titles are slated for this fall, and despair at whatever event in 2017 will fuck them all over. Why bother getting invested in the first place?
Obviously it's a slimy cashgrab, but that's no reason to be so transparent about it.
I actually feel bad for Nick Spencer at this point. He could've just told his story, but Marvel's PR had to go and be a bunch of bastards about it. And the Ramsay Snow kind, not the Jon Snow kind.[DOUBLEPOST=1467154345,1467153946][/DOUBLEPOST]
Marvel only sees the short term nowadays. Hydra Cap got them a great deal of anger money, and record-making (these days) pre-orders for the second issue. Nevermind that those new readers are going to evaporate, while Marvel finds a smaller pool of loyal readers remaining.
I'm looking forward to whatever new, great-sounding titles are slated for this fall, and despair at whatever event in 2017 will fuck them all over. Why bother getting invested in the first place?
That's definitely true. The PR was horribly botched on what's just another ho-hum "it'll be changed in a month" shocker.[DOUBLEPOST=1467154848,1467154589][/DOUBLEPOST]Meanwhile, I was told by someone on the Elephantmen creative team that the Mammoth Edition Vol. 2 will release in October. Which totally makes me happy, even though I already own collected editions of the same issues. The problem is that each volume is HUGE. They're twice the size of, say, a Marvel Ultimate Collection, and yet they're only 6 issues each. They take up so much room on the shelf. I always thought it was hilarious because it's a comic about giant Elephantmen and other creatures, but yeah, they take up too much room. The first Mammoth Edition I got was the same size as one of these, but with three times the content. So I'll trade in the next few volumes for that as soon as I can.
....this has been a long, nit-picking rant from a guy who has traded in old collected editions of books for newer versions FAR more times than he's willing to admit.
So I read Cap #2.
Kobik, living shards of the same Cosmic Cube Skull once had, comes back to him because she liked how he used her or something. He fills her head with ideas about how great a Skull-led world, united under HYDRA, would be and she agrees. She's also being studied by Prof. Selvig, who she's used her powers on to think he's always been a part of HYDRA. Skull sees this and decides to have her do the same to Cap. Skull had her implant the idea for the Pleasant Hill Initiative in Selvig's mind, and Skull disguised himself in order to fuck the whole thing up. Cap gets his youth/powers back from Kobik, but she also implants the HYDRA nonsense in his head, too.
So yeah, brainwashed. Marvel PR dun goofed.
Oh, and Skull is tired of having Xavier's powers, he feels like it makes things too easy.
So yeah, brainwashed. Marvel PR dun goofed.
Oh, and Skull is tired of having Xavier's powers, he feels like it makes things too easy.
UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGH-I am fucking SICK of people with superpowers complaining about how it makes things "Too easy" FUCK YOU YOU ENTITLED FUCK! I HOPE YOU DIE!
Here's my bitching for the day--DC needs to print more Rebirth stuff, because comic book stores just can't keep up with demand.
But yeah, that Cap shit ... whatever. Marvel's PR really ruined any chance of interest I would've had. Moreover I'm just looking forward to Hydra Cap getting the shit kicked out of him by Laura Kinney in August and Miles Morales in September.
But yeah, that Cap shit ... whatever. Marvel's PR really ruined any chance of interest I would've had. Moreover I'm just looking forward to Hydra Cap getting the shit kicked out of him by Laura Kinney in August and Miles Morales in September.
Anyone want to know the big death for Civil War II #3? They couldn't have made it more obvious, but I'll spoiler it anyway. First I want to say that I really hate the budget shot of this stupid comic, with a multitude of heroes lined up, circling, like it's a fucking execution scene (which it is), but it reminds me a lot of some of the less believable crowd scenes I've glimpsed from Avengers vs X-Men. If all of you are here, who's stopping the bad guys? Who's listening to Ulysses's other prophecies? It's seriously near to every adult hero present. At the rate disasters occur in the Marvel universe, they should be returning to a hellscape after this scene.
Anyway, who dies:
And really this is a perfect example of how poorly written this is, so Bendis can pat himself on the back or ass or whatever for it. The way Captain Marvel and Iron Man act is so, so far out of character that you might as well put goatees on both of them and say they're evil counterparts.
This event is garbage. I'm not giving Marvel rage money for this like they want; I'm sure some people will buy it because it's the death of an iconic character who hasn't died before. The only Marvel thing I'm buying tomorrow is Gwenpool #4. This event can fuck right off, as I've been saying for weeks.
Anyway, who dies:
Bruce Banner.
And really this is a perfect example of how poorly written this is, so Bendis can pat himself on the back or ass or whatever for it. The way Captain Marvel and Iron Man act is so, so far out of character that you might as well put goatees on both of them and say they're evil counterparts.
Based on Ulysses's prediction that the Hulk will kill everyone, Captain Marvel and Iron Man essentially drag him out of his cave lab, where all the heroes have gathered. They make accusations, disregard what he's saying while Carol and Tony argue. Banner gets agitated, but keep in mind, he has been cured by Amadeus Cho. He's starved himself, given himself illness, driven recklessly, gotten angry--all things that could trigger the Hulk, but there's no trace in him. The only thing Banner getting angry now would accomplish is that he would be an angry weak scientist.
But no, with everyone worked up in a frenzy over Ulysses, they abandon logic, drag him out, and when Banner gets angry, Hawkeye shoots him in the bed with a special anti-Hulk arrow, killing Banner on the spot. He surrenders himself and is put on trial, and Tony may have discovered something about Ulysses that won't be revealed on issue #5.
But let's not forget,THERE'S ANOTHER HULK. And he could still go nuts and kill them all, because Cho is clearly losing control over the Hulk's power, and now the man he idolized has been murdered. Self-fulfilling prophecy, assholes?
But no, with everyone worked up in a frenzy over Ulysses, they abandon logic, drag him out, and when Banner gets angry, Hawkeye shoots him in the bed with a special anti-Hulk arrow, killing Banner on the spot. He surrenders himself and is put on trial, and Tony may have discovered something about Ulysses that won't be revealed on issue #5.
But let's not forget,THERE'S ANOTHER HULK. And he could still go nuts and kill them all, because Cho is clearly losing control over the Hulk's power, and now the man he idolized has been murdered. Self-fulfilling prophecy, assholes?
This event is garbage. I'm not giving Marvel rage money for this like they want; I'm sure some people will buy it because it's the death of an iconic character who hasn't died before. The only Marvel thing I'm buying tomorrow is Gwenpool #4. This event can fuck right off, as I've been saying for weeks.
Article about the whole thing. Spoilers within, of course.
My favorite part:
My favorite part:
"This is uncharted territory for us."
Yeah you guys have never killed an iconic character for shock sales! How will you ever recover?
Yeah you guys have never killed an iconic character for shock sales! How will you ever recover?
Exactly. What does that even mean? Their whole game plan nowadays is anger money. They've said outright in interviews that people being mad at them is just as good as people liking their stuff. And they're right; because the more rage is spewed, the more attention, they more sales.
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