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Kitty Sinatra

Deschain said:
Jews would like to have a word with you.
Armenians would like to have a word with you.
Cambodia would like to have a word with you.
China would like to have a word with you.
Vietnam would like to have a word with you.
The Soviet Union would like to have a word with you.

Africa would like to have a word with you.
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Africa would really prefer food.
 
ElJuski

ElJuski

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A good portion of my relatives died in Lithuania because the Communists had to have the land and resources in Lithuania.

God bless those commies.
 
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Deschain

I lost 10 million countrymen in Nanjing because the Japanese wanted Asia for Asians. This is a movie. Things are pretty much what they say they are.
 
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Joe Johnson

Isn't the substance just worth a lot of money? Not "vital to humanity's survival"?

Also, I'm really hoping that unobtainium is just a joke word that the marines use for the substance.
 
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Deschain

The NYT said something about 'element needed for a dying Earth' which I took to assume it powered vital infrastructure or technology.

If it's just worth a lot of money, then the humans are just being dicks I guess. And it really is just a space furry Ferngully.
 
strawman

strawman

Joe Johnson said:
we haven't really had any "real world" examples of a country going to war over resources that are necessary for their very survival. Wheras in the movie, if they really ARE fighting for their survival
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Depends on your definition of survival. If we suddenly had all imports of oil to the US completely and utterly stopped, it would destroy our economy and standard of living for quite some time, and make us very militarily vulnerable in the long run since our military machine eats oil.

It can still be a "fight for survival" and very much hit the trope, "Humanity is rotten to its core."

Also, I hope one of the ships has the bumper sticker:
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EARTH FIRST
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Rob King

Rob King

I love how Orson Scott Card is the trolling go-to these days. The only time I think I've ever been successfully trolled here, the subject was also Orson Scott Card.
 
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Deschain

Terribly sorry about the trolling, didn't mean to go this far off topic.

I thought the point of unobtainium was that it basically was going to save Earth. If it's not and they just want it because it's worth lots of money, then the humans are just a bunch of dicks. A cool bunch of dicks with cool weaponry and guns, but yea, they probably shouldn't be doing what they're doing.
 
@Li3n

@Li3n

Deschain said:
I thought the point of unobtainium was that it basically was going to save Earth. If it's not and they just want it because it's worth lots of money, then the humans are just a bunch of dicks. A cool bunch of dicks with cool weaponry and guns, but yea, they probably shouldn't be doing what they're doing.
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one of the reviews mentions a evil business guy and a clear separation between evil and good individuals, so i guess it's just the money.
 
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Chazwozel

I thought the whole movie was supposed to be an giant allegory towards the Europeans conquering the Americas from the indigenous peoples?
 
Frank

Frank

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I'm guessing most of the folks here are too young to know what the hell this is from. I was only 8 when it came out.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I never saw it till I was older, but I remember it being on video in the kids section in my hometown's video store and me always wanting to rent it but my dad always giving me the, "That movie is not for kids." speech.
 
Snuffleupagus

Snuffleupagus

Saw it this morning at 12:01am. Was pretty decent. I'd probably give it a 7/10 but it would probably be higher if the theatre had left the heat on and it hadn't been 40 degrees in there.

I recommend it, worth the 10 bucks.
 
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TwoBit

I just came back from seeing it. The 3D effects were jaw-droppingly awesome. The script could have used a bit of work, though. There were several plot elements I saw coming from a mile away.

But when all was said and done, it was an OK film. Not a great film, but worth seeing.

I think.
 
Denbrought

Denbrought

The movie had great effects, but the plot was starship troopers with furries and a sad ending. Plus, the fuck? Sending the humans back home? We're going to be back in 6 years with NUKES.

Also haeted the anti-Imperium overtones.

So I was bored and I had nothing better do this last hour, so here's a quick 'fic.

Edit: Oh shit, there may be spoilers inside of here. Not sure how a DERIVATIVE work couldn't have them, but there ya go. Gods I hate fanfiction, I was just bored enough to write whatever came to my head ~_~

Extract from: Imperial History XXXII, a guide to the 33rd Millenium
History of the Settlement of 0.45.29845-Pandora
Written by Adeptus Historitor G. Martinusson

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FOR THE GLORY OF THE HALLOWED GOD-EMPEROR OF TERRA
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0.45.29845-Pandora (hereafter referred to as Pandora) is a planet in the Segmentum Solar that was noticed on 095.M32 by the Cameron Imperial Fleet, that was mapping the zone after noticing that the astral records weren't up to date.

The planet was described as seeming habitable and probably resourceful. The atmosphere wasn't breathable without rebreathers, but other than that no obvious hazards were observed.The planet was classified as Feral and included on the 908th Colonial Candidate List.

The 908th list reached exploration stage on 148.M32, and a small Imperial Guard contingent (circa 2000 troops from the Tharnian 101st) was sent to the planet, along with scientists, workers and all the necessities to form a small outpost of around 2500 inhabitants.

Initial resistance was moderate, as expected from an unexplored world. The world's fauna was reported "noisy." The settlement was established without much trouble and mapping and probing of the planet started.

The world's jungle was thick and teeming with various species, mostly hostile. Various edible crops were discovered (amongst them, the fruit tree CZ5312-Praagh, standard crop in many systems nowadays).

A month into the colonization, the scientist team dedicated to geoprobing made the most remarkable discovery: deposits of adamantium and promethium were present in the planet. The promethium was sparse, but there seemed to be large quantities of adamantium ready to mine under the surface.

A request for a small quantity of mining equipment was made a week later, citing a need to evaluate the purity of the materials encountered before making further decisions.

At some point between ordering the mining equipment and receiving it, a xenos race was encountered on the planet. The little data that has survived declassified indicates that they were humanoid, coloured blue, and that they were at a technologically primitive stage (their most advanced weapons seemed to be bows and poisoned arrows). A surviving personal journal written by an Imperial Colonel (unnamed) describes them as "furry inbred spear-chucking Tau scum."

The xenos were aggressive and repeatedly attacked the outpost. The I.G. repealed them every time, surprisingly suffering losses. Records indicate that the xenos were physically superior at close combat and that their arrows could penetrate flak armour and layers of plasteel. It is widely accepted in the Historitor community that the xenos probably used adamantium to manufacture their blades and arrowheads.

One of the exploration leaders, unnamed, decided to put a part of the scientist workforce to investigate the xenos and--if possible, befriend them. Why he wasn't executed for treason and this travesty stopped is unknown to us. Possibly weak leadership, as there were no Commissars on site.

Anyhow. The scientists apparently befriended the xenos and established some kind of relationship with them, the details are unknown.

During the study of the xenos, it was discovered that the nearest settlement of them was directly on top of the biggest deposit in the zone. It was of the greatest importance to drive them out.

On 154.M32, the mining equipment arrived along with some refreshment troops and various workers, bringing the I.G. numbers back to 2000 or so.

3 months later, and seeing that the diplomatic route had been (logically) fruitless, the terraforming and mining tools were sent, along with a contingent of Guard to neutralize any hostiles. The details are hazy, but due to poor planning and some traitor scientists, the operation was a failure.

It was subsequently decided to firebomb the xenos settlement. The operation was a success, and they were driven out deep into the jungle.

However, the xenos seemed to have called out to all the nearest tribes of their kind. Shortly after the operation, a force of a reported size of 2000 xenos was amassed. They were said to be lead by one of the traitor scientists.

The outpost's commander decided to firebomb the xenos' new settlement (reasons are unclear), and sent all his troops in a spearhead attack into unknown territory, with little tactical planning.

Predictably, they walked into an ambush. Though valiant and racially superior, the Guards were killed by the savage xenos. Other races, up to then considered feral, were reported to have allied with them, reason why almost all of the planet's wildlife was later classified as abhorrent.

After decimating the Imperial ranks, the xenos (for reasons unbeknownst to this humble historian) decided to put the surviving Guards and civilians in the outpost's ships and order them out of the planet.

When the ships arrived to allied territory and the Administorum and Imperial Guard leadership were put up to date, a few resolutions were taken.

- All the surviving Guard were given the executed for surrendering alive.
- All the surviving scientists were interrogated; those found to be part of the diplomatic efforts were executed.
- Most of the surviving workers were made into servos to avoid them spreading rumours bad for morale.
- The planet was re-evaluated to Death world but due to its resources targeted for terraformation with extreme prejudice.

In consequence with the last item a small Imperial Fleet with a few hundred thousands of I.G., as well as two chapters of Ultramarines and a few squads of Titans, were sent to the planet.

The surface was divided in sectors and bombed from orbit using low-impact projectiles (to avoid damaging the resources underneath). Afterwards it was just matter of time until the planet was under control.

In 180.M32 the planet was declared free of xenos taint, and most other wildlife. Various additional deposits of adamantium of varying size were detected. The planet's heavy resource extraction period started then.

In 199.M32 the planet was re-classified as a Hive World and various Hives were settled around the globe.

For the next few centuries, the planet provided much needed adamantium for use by the Adeptus Mechanicum to make various ship parts, marine armour and weapons.

It also exported food and water, until the atmosphere became altogether too noxious with gases derived from mining operations.

Early in the 39th Millenium, the planet was declared Ghost World and its population exported to various new Hives around the Imperium.

Details about Pandora's Imperial History (including two hive wars and it's Imperial Guard units and their involvement in various campaigns) please consult the excellent record "Pandora: An ode to glory" by G. Martinusson.

An essay collection on how this happening illustrates the dangers of xenos subversion, and how it influenced the Pandorian Guard's policy on xeno encounter (their murderous zeal renowned amongst the Guard) can be found under the title of "Pandora's Settlement: Xenos and Diplomacy, Oil and Water" by G. Martinusson et al.

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ASTRA IMPERATOR GLORIAM : VICTORIUM AUT MORTIS
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If you just read through that, you're weird.
 
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