What gives you the right to tell him how to live?
Basically, even the act of seeking independence is forcing your will onto others.
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Basically, even the act of seeking independence is forcing your will onto others.
2 parts being right, one part your possible soul being in the line, and all parts 'mericafreedom
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Biannoshufu
of Wealth?
of Hypnosis.
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Biannoshufu
I'm not seeing it.
You're immune to the skank magic it is infused with.
Well of course the vagina avatar welcomes a thong of power.
...immmpppplllllaaaaannnnts of authority!!!!!!!!
A poppy vagina, goober.
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I agree with most of what you said. I'll take the challenge on the love thing from any thumper, though. I can test it and devise a quantification for it.
I'm a staunch atheist and I am not fond of the aggressive or passive-aggressive atheists. It is a tricky line to walk, though, and I understand the urge. On the one hand, some theists appear to be a direct threat to lives, freedom, and progress. It is easy to get riled up against those people. On the other hand, it isn't true of all theists. On the final hand, atheists accomplish absolutely nothing through aggressive tactics. There is a science to persuasion, and if one truly wants to persuade people, it should be with a calm demeanor and an understanding of how to approach people about a sensitive topic.
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Chibibar
My wife is Atheist and I'm kinda Taoist/Buddhist (not any particular school).
We talk about this stuff Friday cause someone on the radio (forgot what started) but it was interesting conversation.
(Warning: The following is our personal opinion and what we see. We ARE NOT making fun of any religion/belief. it is how we interpret what we see/hear/learn)
She personally don't care what people believe as long it doesn't hurt other people. I agree. I think the base of any religion meant to be good, but people warp it to their own agenda and kinda "divert" from the main purpose.
Of course the discussion move to why people believe in God in the first place and about souls.
Of course that is a LONG train of though which I may post another thread for discussion once I can get more time and maybe NOT at work posting.
We talk about this stuff Friday cause someone on the radio (forgot what started) but it was interesting conversation.
(Warning: The following is our personal opinion and what we see. We ARE NOT making fun of any religion/belief. it is how we interpret what we see/hear/learn)
She personally don't care what people believe as long it doesn't hurt other people. I agree. I think the base of any religion meant to be good, but people warp it to their own agenda and kinda "divert" from the main purpose.
Of course the discussion move to why people believe in God in the first place and about souls.
Of course that is a LONG train of though which I may post another thread for discussion once I can get more time and maybe NOT at work posting.
I like you when you're angry!You always persuade me MD. Persuade me to ANGER.
Well then boy are you in luck!
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Whats the point in arguing about being able to prove a thing that is based on faith? Seems like both sides lose there.
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Chibibar
This is one of my weird hopes.
Maybe "Jesus" was actually an alien 2000 years ago that look like human and able to perform miracles via science (which we know that advance science can be indistinguishable from magic) and later came back (i.e. 2nd coming) are actual aliens
while all these religion shun aliens cause they believe we are the only living organism in this whole universe.
Faith isn't about proof. In fact, if God were a proven factor, religion as we know it would fall apart. God would be dissected, compartmentalized, defined into a rigorous science, scaring at all those who liked the comforting thought that He was a nebulous 'father-like' concept that they could lean on in times of hardship with no effort or ask favours from in times of impropriety. Their god isn't any more valid than FSM; but it's not the validity that drives people into religion. I hate to use this triteness but many people want to feel like they belong to something, a label to stand/hide behind and to have a literal or figurative cross to bear. That's what religion provides to people and that's why no amount of rationalism will kill it.
Exactly my point.
"My faith that C'thulu is the one true god and the old gods will one day cleanse this planet is just as valid as your belief that Jesus will save your soul and you will live in Heaven"
Some have to tear down the faith of others in order to reassert their own faith. Personally speaking, I have enough confidence in my own faith to not need church or a gathering of people to build me up. And I don't need to run others down either.
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Chibibar
you know. I always wonder how "faith" come to being. I mean look at some of these religions. What if a man TODAY proclaim to be son of God? What if he did walk on water and cure the sick? would the people accept him today? What if the guy was a con artist way back when and use trick to fool people (like psychic today). It is interesting that people still believe in something that is long long time ago, but if someone were to do that today, they would be either lockup/studied or shun by society or with rare occurrence acceptance.
I think that some people need faith cause they think their own lives are not "up to stuff" why can't I be as "beautiful" "powerful" "rich" or "prosperous" as the next guy? maybe it is a God's test? but if I do good, I can have all that in heaven! Sometimes I think religion was created to control the masses in their mediocre lives and be happy with it for the promise of riches and happiness in the afterlife.
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