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Apple whips out some major dickery (maybe)
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Necronic
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SpecialKO
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Cuyval Dar
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Shakey
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Icarus
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Icarus
Apple whips out some major * (maybe)
1- massive problems concerning PC servers. Since all servers ARE PC servers, this is a huge problem.
-- files with more than 16 letters (or so) are shortened on a Mac. This means that you have to rename the files on a Mac (PCs can read files made on a Mac fine). Talk about inconvenient ...
2- MASSIVE network problems. Mounted network drives disappearing, refusing to be mounted, constantly losing connection, shared folders on the server not even appearing in the list, etc. etc. None of our PCs have had any problems whatsoever with sharing folders.
3- A lot of things are slower on a $3000 iMac than on a $500 PC.
4- Oh, here's a fun one: CDs REFUSING TO BE EJECTED! We've lost HOURS because the fancy Mac OS refused to eject and just said "fuck you" to us. Since the DVD drive has no actual button because Apple are such cunts they think a button would harm the style, you're stuck with hoping Mac OS X will eject it.
(Incidentally, not a SINGLE internal DVD drive has ever survived more than a year in ANY Mac in our office (mostly Mac G5s from several generations). How much does a proper DVD drive cost again, Apple? You'd expect some proper hardware for the ridiculous prices charged! Right now, every Mac has an external LaCie or Sony drive as a result.)
5- Not software but I like to add this one as well because it annoyed me so much at the time: Their keyboards are hideously expensive yet you can't even open them yourself if you accidentally poor something on them unless you have one of those rarely-used keys. One of my co-workers pored soda on it which is very sticky. Even a $5 keyboard can be opened at the back and dried out but the Mac keyboard can't be. It uses a special key to be opened and of course, no-one has one. Result: $80 for another keyboard.
6- Mac OS has to be rebooted more often than Windows Vista when using Adobe programs. On ALL Macs, font issues arise all the time which requires a reboot. Actually, font management on Mac OS X is shoddy to say the least ...
-- Sat Jul 18, 2009 7:13 pm --
Incidentally, Quicktime was primarily aimed at the PC market. A lot of Windows games used the technology but thanks to Apple's typical crappy backward-compatibily, there were massive problems when you had a newer version. The only solution was removing the new version and reinstalling the old one in most cases. Later on, you even had to install TWO versions. Not only was the software very buggy as well (games used to crash all the time due to Quicktime errors) but it was a pain to use.
iTunes was just as bad. A simplistic and shallow program that used 3 times more memory than Media Player or Winamp, when both of these had FAR more features. Unforgivable. But the fact that music would stutter and skip the moment you were even just saving a file or loading a program, was totally unacceptable. And the fact that Apple were such cunts by forcing you to download AND install both iTunes and Quicktime when you just wanted Quicktime annoyed me even more at the time. It took them more than a year to make iTunes optional.
Basically, not a single piece of software from Apple on the PC has worked like it should. I bet that if Mac OS X had to be made for PC, it would be a disaster as well. It's easy to have a big mouth but when you got to support more than a handful of hardware combinations, things aren't exactly so easy, are they, Apple?
Their software is actually not that reliable and still has major compatibility issues. In our office, we've had more Mac software issues than on our PC. Example:JCM said:
1- massive problems concerning PC servers. Since all servers ARE PC servers, this is a huge problem.
-- files with more than 16 letters (or so) are shortened on a Mac. This means that you have to rename the files on a Mac (PCs can read files made on a Mac fine). Talk about inconvenient ...
2- MASSIVE network problems. Mounted network drives disappearing, refusing to be mounted, constantly losing connection, shared folders on the server not even appearing in the list, etc. etc. None of our PCs have had any problems whatsoever with sharing folders.
3- A lot of things are slower on a $3000 iMac than on a $500 PC.
4- Oh, here's a fun one: CDs REFUSING TO BE EJECTED! We've lost HOURS because the fancy Mac OS refused to eject and just said "fuck you" to us. Since the DVD drive has no actual button because Apple are such cunts they think a button would harm the style, you're stuck with hoping Mac OS X will eject it.
(Incidentally, not a SINGLE internal DVD drive has ever survived more than a year in ANY Mac in our office (mostly Mac G5s from several generations). How much does a proper DVD drive cost again, Apple? You'd expect some proper hardware for the ridiculous prices charged! Right now, every Mac has an external LaCie or Sony drive as a result.)
5- Not software but I like to add this one as well because it annoyed me so much at the time: Their keyboards are hideously expensive yet you can't even open them yourself if you accidentally poor something on them unless you have one of those rarely-used keys. One of my co-workers pored soda on it which is very sticky. Even a $5 keyboard can be opened at the back and dried out but the Mac keyboard can't be. It uses a special key to be opened and of course, no-one has one. Result: $80 for another keyboard.
6- Mac OS has to be rebooted more often than Windows Vista when using Adobe programs. On ALL Macs, font issues arise all the time which requires a reboot. Actually, font management on Mac OS X is shoddy to say the least ...
-- Sat Jul 18, 2009 7:13 pm --
Yeah that's very true. Anyone who has used Quicktime in the early 90's when it used to run in Windows 3.1 may remember the TONS of issues.Necronic said:
Incidentally, Quicktime was primarily aimed at the PC market. A lot of Windows games used the technology but thanks to Apple's typical crappy backward-compatibily, there were massive problems when you had a newer version. The only solution was removing the new version and reinstalling the old one in most cases. Later on, you even had to install TWO versions. Not only was the software very buggy as well (games used to crash all the time due to Quicktime errors) but it was a pain to use.
iTunes was just as bad. A simplistic and shallow program that used 3 times more memory than Media Player or Winamp, when both of these had FAR more features. Unforgivable. But the fact that music would stutter and skip the moment you were even just saving a file or loading a program, was totally unacceptable. And the fact that Apple were such cunts by forcing you to download AND install both iTunes and Quicktime when you just wanted Quicktime annoyed me even more at the time. It took them more than a year to make iTunes optional.
Basically, not a single piece of software from Apple on the PC has worked like it should. I bet that if Mac OS X had to be made for PC, it would be a disaster as well. It's easy to have a big mouth but when you got to support more than a handful of hardware combinations, things aren't exactly so easy, are they, Apple?
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Necronic
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Chazwozel
Chazwozel
Apple whips out some major * (maybe)
Those laptop commercials are one of those few competitor commercials that are 100% true. You do NOT get a good value for what you pay for for an Apple laptop.
-- Fri Jul 24, 2009 6:16 am --
Really? I always had fun watching my PI in grad school "trick" his Apple to do what he wants.
Anytime I was in his office going over data on his computer, something would crash, not open, not be compatible. This was one of those insanely huge, new iMacs too.
Necronic said:
Those laptop commercials are one of those few competitor commercials that are 100% true. You do NOT get a good value for what you pay for for an Apple laptop.
-- Fri Jul 24, 2009 6:16 am --
JCM said:
Really? I always had fun watching my PI in grad school "trick" his Apple to do what he wants.
Anytime I was in his office going over data on his computer, something would crash, not open, not be compatible. This was one of those insanely huge, new iMacs too.
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Icarus
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Icarus
Apple whips out some major * (maybe)
Today, I had another "great" discussion with Mac-fanatics. They said I was talking bullshit when I said that my Vista workstation hasn't been restarted in three months. I showed them proof, they said it was not true. It can't be because Vista would crash long before that they said. I told them Vista, on proper hardware (i.e. not cheap crap with poor drivers), Vista is at least as stable as Mac OS X and can easily run for months without any need for reboot. My father's PC, get this, hasn't been restarted in half a year and then it was due to a thunder storm forcing him to unplug it. AND he has a $450 PC too! Cheap as hell but decent hardware. See, it's crap like this that makes me dislike a lot of Mac users - they don't understand how it works. They see a family member running a 5 year old PC and then see how Vista struggles on the outdated PC that cost next to nothing even when they bought it. Then they go all arrogant and think their Mac, which cost 5 times as much, is better. I'm sorry if I take price/quality balance into account.
But you can't pick the keyboard when you buy an iMac. Apple forces you to buy it along with the mouse and its software whenever you buy one of their computers so you can bet you paid close to $80 in the first place when you originally bought it. My point was that the damn things are hugely expensive yet can't even be properly opened without special tools.Covar said:
Today, I had another "great" discussion with Mac-fanatics. They said I was talking bullshit when I said that my Vista workstation hasn't been restarted in three months. I showed them proof, they said it was not true. It can't be because Vista would crash long before that they said. I told them Vista, on proper hardware (i.e. not cheap crap with poor drivers), Vista is at least as stable as Mac OS X and can easily run for months without any need for reboot. My father's PC, get this, hasn't been restarted in half a year and then it was due to a thunder storm forcing him to unplug it. AND he has a $450 PC too! Cheap as hell but decent hardware. See, it's crap like this that makes me dislike a lot of Mac users - they don't understand how it works. They see a family member running a 5 year old PC and then see how Vista struggles on the outdated PC that cost next to nothing even when they bought it. Then they go all arrogant and think their Mac, which cost 5 times as much, is better.
I'm sorry if I take price/quality balance into account.
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Chazwozel
Chazwozel
Apple whips out some major * (maybe)
far more times then I've ever gotten a blue screen crash in windows.
I've seen the spinning apple wheel of deathIcarus said:But you can't pick the keyboard when you buy an iMac. Apple forces you to buy it along with the mouse and its software whenever you buy one of their computers so you can bet you paid close to $80 in the first place when you originally bought it. My point was that the damn things are hugely expensive yet can't even be properly opened without special tools.Covar said:
Today, I had another "great" discussion with Mac-fanatics. They said I was talking bullshit when I said that my Vista workstation hasn't been restarted in three months. I showed them proof, they said it was not true. It can't be because Vista would crash long before that they said. I told them Vista, on proper hardware (i.e. not cheap crap with poor drivers), Vista is at least as stable as Mac OS X and can easily run for months without any need for reboot. My father's PC, get this, hasn't been restarted in half a year and then it was due to a thunder storm forcing him to unplug it. AND he has a $450 PC too! Cheap as * but decent hardware. See, it's crap like this that makes me dislike a lot of Mac users - they don't understand how it works. They see a family member running a 5 year old PC and then see how Vista struggles on the outdated PC that cost next to nothing even when they bought it. Then they go all arrogant and think their Mac, which cost 5 times as much, is better.
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Shakey
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