Are we that conditioned? A girl was texted that she is going to be beaten

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Chibibar

And did NOT warn the police. I guess we are so conditioned that people (like kids in this case) are making empty threats and didn't think much about it, BUT I figure after the whole Columbine incident (first one and latter ones) people would be more prone to tell authorities that stuff is going down.



http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20001063-504083.html
DEERFIELD BEACH, Fla. (CBS/AP) Why didn't anyone warn police that a boy was allegedly planning to brutally attack Josie Lou Ratley?
The suspect in the brutal beating of 15-year-old Josie Lou Ratley, ninth-grader Wayne Treacy, allegedly sent text messages telling his friends what he planned to do to the girl, but nobody warned the police.
Josie Lou Ratley even received text messages from Treacy claiming he wasgoing to \"snap\" her neck at Deerfield Beach Middle School. Broward Sheriff Al Lamberti said several people knew about the threats but no one warned authorities.


Treacy is accused of punching Ratley and stomping on her with his steel-toed boots. He is being held in a juvenile detention center on a charge of premeditated attempted murder.
Ratley remains in critical condition and in a medically induced coma at a Florida hospital. Her family's attorney says doctors are optimistic after two surgeries to relieve pressure on her brain.
Treacy's 13-year-old girlfriend was also arrested as an accessory to the attack.
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Shakey

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Probably because they were his friends, and they didn't want to get him in trouble. Kids are strange like that.
 
figmentPez

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Shakey said:
Probably because they were his friends, and they didn't want to get him in trouble. Kids are strange like that.
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They might have feared reprisal for being a snitch. Depending on just what type of "friendship" this group had, if one of them had told authorities they might have been in for a beating themselves.
 
sixpackshaker

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figmentPez;360219][QUOTE=Shakey said:
Probably because they were his friends, and they didn't want to get him in trouble. Kids are strange like that.
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They might have feared reprisal for being a snitch. Depending on just what type of "friendship" this group had, if one of them had told authorities they might have been in for a beating themselves.[/QUOTE]

Snitches get stitches.


Then again, kids that age make remarkable threats to each other all the time. No one would have thought he would have really carried it out. Or not carried it out so violently.
 
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sixpackshaker;360233][QUOTE=figmentPez;360219][QUOTE=Shakey said:
Probably because they were his friends, and they didn't want to get him in trouble. Kids are strange like that.
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They might have feared reprisal for being a snitch. Depending on just what type of "friendship" this group had, if one of them had told authorities they might have been in for a beating themselves.[/QUOTE]

Snitches get stitches.


Then again, kids that age make remarkable threats to each other all the time. No one would have thought he would have really carried it out. Or not carried it out so violently.[/QUOTE]

I don't know, when I was in Jr high and high school, you don't make threats that you can't back up. Of course like the old days, you have your posse to watch your back when a fight DO break out. I got into a scuffle or two back in the days.
 
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Fun Size said:
I'm conditioned alright, because I keep reading this as "A girl was texted that she is going to be eaten".
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My grammar is poor ;)

but the weird part is that she was told he is coming after her and yet she "scoff" at it (i.e. not telling authorities) of course now I'm really curious on what she said. I am guess along the line of "Your brother was a coward, that is why he killed himself" or something like that (cheezy line from a movie)
 
Shakey

Shakey

When I was in high school I think the last thing I'd do is go to a teacher or police if someone sent messages like that to me. I don't think I took anything that anyone said to me seriously.
 
Hailey Knight

Hailey Knight

My school was the same. No one took anyone seriously on that stuff. Only a couple of punks out of 800+ people ever did all the violent shit they said they would, and they spent a lot of the time I was in high school somewhere less pleasant.

What bugs me with this stuff is no one does anything. They hear about it and don't give a shit. They see it happening and just watch.
 
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jesus
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20000992-504083.html

Hero Teacher Walter Welsh: "Sorry I Didn't Get There Faster"...But He Rescued Josie Lou Ratley From Steel-Toed Beating - Crimesider


Walter Welsh (WFOR)

DEERFIELD BEACH, Fla. (CBS) The elementary school teacher who saved Josie Lou Ratley from a violent beating is speaking out about the shocking incident that left Ratley in a medically induced coma.
Walter Welsh says he was about 100 feet away from the bus stop when he noticed a commotion with a boy standing over a girl in the school bus area on campus.

"At first I thought they were playing," Welsh told CBS affiliate WFOR Monday. "His foot came down. Came down a second time. When I saw him cock his leg, he kicks her. I'm screaming, 'Stop!'"

Welsh says he ran over to Ratley and stopped Wayne Treacy before he was able to land the third kick. He realized that Ratley was gravely injured and told one of the other adults to call for an ambulance while he escorted Treacy to the school office.

Welsh told WFOR that he asked Treacy what he was thinking, and Treacy answered " 'She talked about my dead brother.'"

"What do you say to a 15-year-old who has that kind of hate?" Welsh asked. "I don't know."

Welsh says Treacy was crying when they got to the office, then he noticed Treacy's footwear.

"I said, 'Are those steel toed boots?' That's when he told me,'Yeah, they're steel toed boots,'" Welsh told the station. "I had to leave the room then, because I was a little bit disturbed."

Ratley's family and their attorney, Rick Freedman, have been critical of the security on the school campus.

But Welsh said a premeditated attack is difficult to stop. "How do you anticipate something as heinous and savage as that, that's premeditated?"

"I'm 56-years-old, and I never seen anything like it," he said. "If you see the girl, tell baby girl to open her eyes and smile one more time. Tell her mother I'll always be sorry I didn't get their faster. That's all I can say."
 
Norris

Norris

Wow. Just...wow. I can sorta see why no one took his texts seriously...that shit is unimaginable. Hyperbolic use of the word "kill" when you're mad at someone ain't exactly uncommon...especially in high school. Just...damn.

Not to blame the victim but according to the story Hylian linked to, but the girl he beat up made a comment about his older brother/surrogate father's suicide and that's what set him off. Knowing how vicious tweens and teens can be...I'd like to know what that comment was. Obviously no written comment justifies that kind of brutal beating but"fighting words" are a real thing (one of the limits on free speech, according to the high nine) and I'd like to understand just what could drive someone to that level of brutality. Depending on what she said...she may have deserved some kind of consequences (certainly not to be murdered...based on her condition it seems the boy's charges could be upped in the not-to-distant future) and that might have played a part in why no one he texted the "warning" to did anything (because they'd never in a million years have taken him literally).

I wish the best for the girl and her family. No matter what she might have said, she'd never deserve something even in the ballpark of what happened.
 
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