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Batman : Possible Batgirl?

Jul 28, 2009#1

Jay

http://hollywoodcrush.mtv.com/2009/07/2 ... tman-film/

According to Hollyscoop.com, the \"Hannah Montana\" star reportedly \"stunned\" Warner execs during her audition, even dressing for the part in a \"full batsuit.\"

I'm sure that she did.

I'm apprehensive... I wasn't huge on Heath Ledger but he make me regret my first choice words but... Miley Cyrus? Really?

:tumbleweed:

Jul 28, 2009#2

filmfanatic

No....

Nononononononononono....

NO!!!

Jul 28, 2009#3

Krisken

I have no words.

Well, she can't be any more wooden than Alicia Silverstone was.

Jul 28, 2009#4

Steven Soderburgin

I can't find this on any reputable site, yet. It's still early in the day, but I wouldn't give it too much credence until it shows up somewhere like Variety.

Jul 28, 2009#5

DarkAudit

filmfanatic said:
No....

Nononononononononono....

NO!!!

This. This this and this.

Jul 28, 2009#6

SpecialKO

SeriousJay said:
http://hollywoodcrush.mtv.com/2009/07/28/miley-cyrus-did-she-audition-to-play-batgirl-for-a-batman-film/

According to Hollyscoop.com, the "Hannah Montana" star reportedly "stunned" Warner execs during her audition, even dressing for the part in a "full batsuit."

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I'm sure that she did.

I'm apprehensive... I wasn't huge on Heath Ledger but he make me regret my first choice words but... Miley Cyrus? Really?

:tumbleweed:

I wasn't originally enthused by Heath (until I saw the first trailer with him in it), but he also had a long established career demonstrating his acting ability.

Miley Cyrus really hasn't. Now, to be fair, Batgirl originally had a little bit of an immature little girl personality, but she also got over that pretty darn fast.

Jul 28, 2009#7

The Lovely Boehner

Everything in the OP is complete bullshit without any basis in facts or reality.

Jul 28, 2009#8

Covar

I swear to god, if they put Batgirl in those movies before Robin I'm going to have to kill someone.

-- Tue Jul 28, 2009 10:47 am --

Kissinger said:
I can't find this on any reputable site, yet. It's still early in the day, but I wouldn't give it too much credence until it shows up somewhere like Variety.

I agree. Pics or it didn't happen...

aranoid: what?

Jul 28, 2009#9

tegid

Robin was setup already in TDK with Gordon's son, so they should go with that :angry:
Also, he would be kinda half-batgirl in origin!

Buuut I read a while ago that Bale wouldn't be Batman again if there were to be a Robin...

Jul 28, 2009#10

The Lovely Boehner

I honestly have no idea why anyone is treating this as a credible story.

Jul 28, 2009#11

Steven Soderburgin

Guys I also heard that Eddie Murphy was cast as the Riddler C/D?????

Jul 28, 2009#12

The Lovely Boehner

Kissinger said:
Guys I also heard that Eddie Murphy was cast as the Riddler C/D?????

no phillip seymour hoffman was cast as the Penguin.

Jul 28, 2009#13

Jay

lol, look at these two trolls get all worked up on a rumor.

Anyways, back to the subject on hand, I found this on multiple websites this morning but nothing intangible yet as it's only an audition and they'll likely to keep who gets or doesn't gets parts as private as possible.

http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=mil ... arch&meta=

Jul 28, 2009#14

MindDetective

SeriousJay said:
nothing intangible

So it is real, then! :aaahhh:

Jul 28, 2009#15

Covar

tegid said:
Robin was setup already in TDK with Gordon's son, so they should go with that :angry:
Also, he would be kinda half-batgirl in origin!

ugghhh. I would hate that. Dick Grayson's origin is so damn near perfect, they need to stick with that. Just change Ward to Adopt to fit with the times.

Jul 28, 2009#16

Jay

TeKeo said:
I wasn't originally enthused by Heath (until I saw the first trailer with him in it), but he also had a long established career demonstrating his acting ability.

Miley Cyrus really hasn't. Now, to be fair, Batgirl originally had a little bit of an immature little girl personality, but she also got over that pretty darn fast.

I know little of Miley's acting chops to be honest but I knew of Heath Ledger and was concerned that he wouldn't be able to deliver as the Joker considering he'd be always compared to say, Jack's Joker. When he passed away, I felt bad for him as I knew that that this guy gave it his all and when I saw the movie, he was absolutely amazing.

My concern is the addition of non-necessary characters to the new Batman franchise, I never was fond of Batgirl and I thought Robin was annoying. To be honest, Batman vs the World and new enemies is something I'd love to see.... let's just hope it doesn't pan out as Batman & Robin? :puke:

I have a lot of faith in Christopher Nolan's ability though, so whatever he'll direct, will be golden.

Jul 28, 2009#17

Mr_Chaz

The article even contradicts itself...

If there should be another "Batman" movie...

Cyrus auditioned for the role of Batgirl

That doesn't instantly put you off? The fact that she's "auditioning" for a role in a film that doesn't even exist yet?

Jul 28, 2009#18

Cajungal

Charlie Dont Surf said:
Kissinger said:

Guys I also heard that Eddie Murphy was cast as the Riddler C/D?????

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no phillip seymour hoffman was cast as the Penguin.

That would be kinda awesome. If this was a definite thing, I'd be worried. When I first saw "REPO," a watched a special where the creators talked about how Paris Hilton"dazzled" them with her voice in her audition... and she sucks. Some people are easily impressed.

Jul 28, 2009#19

Espy

People. PEOPLE.

TRUST NOLAN and ONLY NOLAN.

He's earned that much from you. So if he ain't talking don't listen.

Jul 28, 2009#20

Bellygrub

Hasn't Nolan said he doesn't want to do any of the "kids" and wants to avoid creating the Batfamily that Schue...Shu...Shoemocker (that works) had going?

Jul 28, 2009#21

Steven Soderburgin

SeriousJay said:
lol, look at these two trolls get all worked up on a rumor.

I mean, I guess laughing at everyone who is giving this story the slightest bit of credibility could be called getting "all worked up on a rumor."

Jul 28, 2009#22

The Lovely Boehner

Bellygrub said:
Hasn't Nolan said he doesn't want to do any of the "kids" and wants to avoid creating the Batfamily that Schue...Shu...Shoemocker (that works) had going?

no you don't understand this rumor was on TWO(2) websites that sourced the information to each other so it's totally legit

Jul 28, 2009#23

filmfanatic

They're right. This is only in gossip blogs. They're certain to create false stories just to get buzz going. Let's talk about something else to take our minds off of this.

Who do you think the villains will be in the next Batman film?

Jul 28, 2009#24

The Lovely Boehner

SeriousJay said:
lol, look at these two trolls get all worked up on a rumor.

if I got all worked up and exhausted every time I made fun of something shitty you posted I wouldn't be able to get out of bed in the morning

Jul 28, 2009#25

Iaculus

I hope it's the Riddler simply because that fake movie poster was so freakin' awesome.

Jul 28, 2009#26

Jay

filmfanatic said:
They're right. This is only in gossip blogs. They're certain to create false stories just to get buzz going. Let's talk about something else to take our minds off of this.

Who do you think the villains will be in the next Batman film?

Most likely Catwoman and Harley Quinn.

(Ridler or Bane I'm open to as well)

Jul 28, 2009#27

Charlie Dont Surf said:
SeriousJay said:

lol, look at these two trolls get all worked up on a rumor.

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if I got all worked up and exhausted every time I made fun of something shitty you posted I wouldn't be able to get out of bed in the morning

Dude, what have you got against Jay? He saw something posted on a blog and threw it out. Sure it's probably speculation and not real, but it's something to talk about now, isn't it?

Jul 28, 2009#28

filmfanatic

Here are the possibilities I see. We won't get every one, these are the parameters I foresee and the potential villains who can fit:

My guess is that Gotham City will call in some outside help to assist arresting Batman. For that, I could see either Bane, the Riddler or Prof. Hugo Strange.

With the fact that the mobs have essentially been torn apart, this might be a good opportunity to see some lesser-known characters as heading the new mobs. For this, I could see Harley Quinn, the Ventriloquist and Maxie Zeus.

Finally, as a third option villain, either Catwoman or the Penguin. For Penguin, he could have a legitimate front with the Iceberg Lounge and appear as a champion for bringing Batman to justice, while secretly working as a fencer and arms dealer to the new mobs.

Jul 28, 2009#29

Jay

filmfanatic said:
My guess is that Gotham City will call in some outside help to assist arresting Batman. For that, I could see either Bane, the Riddler or Prof. Hugo Strange.

This is entirely possible. I'd love to see Bane to play a part... maybe even include Talia al Ghul? There is a lot they can do with her considering that Batman killed her father.

Jul 28, 2009#30

filmfanatic

SeriousJay said:
filmfanatic said:

My guess is that Gotham City will call in some outside help to assist arresting Batman. For that, I could see either Bane, the Riddler or Prof. Hugo Strange.

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This is entirely possible. I'd love to see Bane to play a part... maybe even include Talia al Ghul? There is a lot they can do with her considering that Batman killed her father.

Actually, I was thinking of it being revealed that Bane is actually a member of the League of Shadows, sent by Talia to finally bring the kind of justice which the League seeks to dish out.

Jul 28, 2009#31

Alex B.

As far as made-up stories go, this isn't even that creative. They basically just took Sean Young's Catwoman stunt and changed the names.

Jul 28, 2009#32

figmentPez

At least it's not Ashley Tisdale.... *shudder*

Jul 28, 2009#33

Covar

I would love to see Ra's be the next villain in the movie.

Jul 28, 2009#34

sixpackshaker

This was likely an attempt to see Cyrus up close and wearing a batsuit...

I don't see Nolan or Bale doing this. But, it could be possible that WB would want to do a kid friendly Batman Family spin-off.

Jul 28, 2009#35

Aisaku

Hmm I don't see them putting Batgirl before Catwoman.... and now that katie holmes/maggie gwenhall's character is out of the picture... I'm think it's very likely we'll see Selina Kyle on screen next time.

Jul 28, 2009#36

Jay

Aisaku said:
Hmm I don't see them putting Batgirl before Catwoman.... and now that katie holmes/maggie gwenhall's character is out of the picture... I'm think it's very likely we'll see Selina Kyle on screen next time.

I'd pay good money to see Charlize Theron as Selina Kyle. :heart:

Jul 28, 2009#37

Lally

Covar said:
I agree. Pics or it didn't happen... aranoid: what?

filmfanatic said:
No....

Nononononononononono....

NO!!!

Jul 28, 2009#38

Steven Soderburgin

hahaha nice, lally

Jul 28, 2009#39

Shegokigo

Kissinger said:
Guys I also heard that Eddie Murphy was cast as the Riddler C/D?????

True story:
[attachment=0:1seqfbj3]riddler.jpg[/attachment:1seqfbj3]

Jul 28, 2009#40

Shegokigo said:
Kissinger said:

Guys I also heard that Eddie Murphy was cast as the Riddler C/D?????

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True story:
[attachment=0:vm75rq2b]riddler.jpg[/attachment:vm75rq2b]

Why are Eddie Murphy's hands white?

Jul 28, 2009#41

Simfers

General Specific said:
Shegokigo said:

Kissinger said:

Guys I also heard that Eddie Murphy was cast as the Riddler C/D?????

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True story:
[attachment=0:rmqfepdp]riddler.jpg[/attachment:rmqfepdp]

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Why are Eddie Murphy's hands white?

Because they put his head on Jim Carrey's body. It's Frankenriddler.

Jul 28, 2009#42

cvgurau

Iaculus said:
I hope it's the Riddler simply because that fake movie poster was so freakin' awesome.

My first thought: "Fake movie poster? WHAT movie poster? TELL ME WHAT FEKKING MOVIE POS--"

Second thought: "Google it yourself, you lazy fekking bastard."

Third thought: "OMG-FEKKING-G, Kristen Bell and DAVID TENNANT AS THE RIDDLER???!! :Leyla:

:aaahhh:

SO AWESOME!!!"

Fourth thought: " 'fekking'?" :bush:

Also:

SeriousJay said:
Aisaku said:

Hmm I don't see them putting Batgirl before Catwoman.... and now that katie holmes/maggie gwenhall's character is out of the picture... I'm think it's very likely we'll see Selina Kyle on screen next time.

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I'd pay good money to see Charlize Theron as Selina Kyle.

Yes, please. :eek:

Or Keira Knightley. Rowr. :unibrow:

Jul 28, 2009#43

sixpackshaker

cvgurau said:
Or Keira Knightley. Rowr.

No thanks, I prefer my Catwoman to have cleavage.

Jul 28, 2009#44

cvgurau

sixpackshaker said:
cvgurau said:

Or Keira Knightley. Rowr.

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No thanks, I prefer my Catwoman to have cleavage.

Good for you?

Jul 28, 2009#45

Jay

sixpackshaker said:
cvgurau said:

Or Keira Knightley. Rowr.

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No thanks, I prefer my Catwoman to have cleavage.

Ouch.

Jul 28, 2009#46

sixpackshaker said:
cvgurau said:

Or Keira Knightley. Rowr.

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No thanks, I prefer my Catwoman to have cleavage.

Like this one?

Jul 28, 2009#47

Cajungal

cvgurau said:
Or Keira Knightley. Rowr.

Really? REALLY?!? She's not ugly or anything, but does that weird and CONSTANT thrusting forward of her bottom jaw not drive ANYONE else COMPLETELY MAD?!

Jul 28, 2009#48

Wahad

Cajungal said:
cvgurau said:

Or Keira Knightley. Rowr.

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Really? REALLY?!? She's not ugly or anything, but does that weird and CONSTANT thrusting forward of her bottom jaw not drive ANYONE else COMPLETELY MAD?!

Um...I have never noticed that before, really.

Jul 28, 2009#49

Cajungal

:bush: GRAGH. I swear it happens. And it drives me MAD.

Jul 28, 2009#50

cvgurau

Cajungal said:
cvgurau said:

Or Keira Knightley. Rowr.

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Really? REALLY?!? She's not ugly or anything, but does that weird and CONSTANT thrusting forward of her bottom jaw not drive ANYONE else COMPLETELY MAD?!

No, it totally does. But in a GOOD way. :unibrow:

:heythere:

Jul 29, 2009#51

sixpackshaker

Cajungal said:
cvgurau said:

Or Keira Knightley. Rowr.

Click to expand...

Really? REALLY?!? She's not ugly or anything, but does that weird and CONSTANT thrusting forward of her bottom jaw not drive ANYONE else COMPLETELY MAD?!

I think she has one of the most beautiful faces in the world. But she just does not do 'it' for me. She just has the physique of a rather tall 12 year old boy.

And the thrusting the jaw forward is a model's trick to define the jawline better. I've not noticed it, but it may be a habit she needs to break.

Jul 29, 2009#52

tegid

Um... I thought it was the shape of her jaw...

Jul 29, 2009#53

Shegokigo

sixpackshaker said:
I think she has one of the most beautiful faces in the world.

Chazwozel said:
"Ok Keira, in this scene I want you to canter over to your feed bag. Do you understand? One clop for yes, and two for no."

Jul 29, 2009#54

Gusto

No Keira plzkthx.

Jul 29, 2009#55

bhamv3

Aisaku said:
Hmm I don't see them putting Batgirl before Catwoman.... and now that katie holmes/maggie gwenhall's character is out of the picture... I'm think it's very likely we'll see Selina Kyle on screen next time.

What Aisaku said. Catwoman is almost as big as the Joker in Batman's rogues gallery. She's gotta appear at least once, sometime.

There might be some problems due to the Halle Berry Catwoman film, like character rights or the new Catwoman being associated with the Berry one, but if it can be done then I'd trust Nolan to do it well.

I don't want Bane to appear unless he breaks Batman's back at some point. Bane's special because he managed to thoroughly out-think and out-fight Batman, and there aren't many guys who can do that. There are lots of other thuggish villains if the studio just want a big brawler type bad guy, use one of them. Don't waste Bane.

Jul 29, 2009#56

filmfanatic

bhamv3 said:
[What Aisaku said. Catwoman is almost as big as the Joker in Batman's rogues gallery. She's gotta appear at least once, sometime.

There might be some problems due to the Halle Berry Catwoman film, like character rights or the new Catwoman being associated with the Berry one, but if it can be done then I'd trust Nolan to do it well.

I don't want Bane to appear unless he breaks Batman's back at some point. Bane's special because he managed to thoroughly out-think and out-fight Batman, and there aren't many guys who can do that. There are lots of other thuggish villains if the studio just want a big brawler type bad guy, use one of them. Don't waste Bane.

I have to agree with that. When I suggested Bane, I wasn't picturing him as some stupid brute like Schumacher made him. I'm picturing him as being the smart and strong presence that broke the Bat. In essence, I might even say a darker version of what Batman could have become if he had joined the League and was willing to do whatever it took.

Jul 29, 2009#57

MindDetective

bhamv3 said:
Aisaku said:

Hmm I don't see them putting Batgirl before Catwoman.... and now that katie holmes/maggie gwenhall's character is out of the picture... I'm think it's very likely we'll see Selina Kyle on screen next time.

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What Aisaku said. Catwoman is almost as big as the Joker in Batman's rogues gallery. She's gotta appear at least once, sometime.

There might be some problems due to the Halle Berry Catwoman film, like character rights or the new Catwoman being associated with the Berry one, but if it can be done then I'd trust Nolan to do it well.

I don't want Bane to appear unless he breaks Batman's back at some point. Bane's special because he managed to thoroughly out-think and out-fight Batman, and there aren't many guys who can do that. There are lots of other thuggish villains if the studio just want a big brawler type bad guy, use one of them. Don't waste Bane.

Except Nolan's Batman is no detective. He's James Bond in a batsuit. His whole schtick is to serve as a terrifying image to criminals, not to be a brilliant crime solver. I would be pretty happy if the Riddler was the next villain to change that, though. I'm thinking a clue-dropping serial killer.

Jul 29, 2009#58

Chibibar

I hope they bring back Catwoman. Michelle Pfeiffer was a GREAT catwoman. Berry was a HORRIBLE catwoman.

I use to think that changing actor for Batman in different movie was bad, but I do like Bale as the new batman. I hope they can cast a good person for catwoman (I don't have any suggestion)

Jul 29, 2009#59

Fun Size

While I have no great stake in the Batman franchise (good movies and all, but like most superhero fare the villains get sillier as time goes on and after The Dark Knight, I don't know how they could go anywhere but down), I am assured by the fact that these are not reputable sources, as I don't want to see Hannah Montana in a bat suit.

The whole mess does bring back the temptation of occasionally using my blog to start completely unsubstantiated rumors just to see how far I could get them. The catch is while I'm a smart ass, I tend to be honest, so I would always feel the need to add at the end "Yes, it's an entertaining idea and all, but the next Batman movie won't actually have Niel Patrick Harris as the Riddler and Felicia Day as Selena Kyle. I made it all up.". (I chose that one because of the tremendous nerd traction it would get.)

Jul 29, 2009#60

Cajungal

sixpackshaker said:
Cajungal said:

cvgurau said:

Or Keira Knightley. Rowr.

Click to expand...

Really? REALLY?!? She's not ugly or anything, but does that weird and CONSTANT thrusting forward of her bottom jaw not drive ANYONE else COMPLETELY MAD?!

Click to expand...

I think she has one of the most beautiful faces in the world. But she just does not do 'it' for me. She just has the physique of a rather tall 12 year old boy.

And the thrusting the jaw forward is a model's trick to define the jawline better. I've not noticed it, but it may be a habit she needs to break.

It's creepy and fake-looking, like when women suck on their cheeks to make their faces look thinner. And she should definitely break it. A lot of times she looks like she's posing--like she's putting that before actually emoting. It's not as if there's any fat on her jaw/neck she needs to hide anyway!

Jul 29, 2009#61

Bubble181

If I shut off the main thinking unit in my body for a minute and allow my secondary thinking unit to take over, I have to hope for Harley Quinn and Catwoman (and maybe Poison Ivy) as villains. They'll never put Batman against 2 female evils in the same movie, though.
And I do sincerely hope they don't have either Robin or Batgirl in this generation. No sidekick ever made their hero better in any way, with the possible exception of Shaggy for Scooby Doo.

Jul 30, 2009#62

sixpackshaker

Jul 30, 2009#63

Covar

Bubble181 said:
And I do sincerely hope they don't have either Robin or Batgirl in this generation. No sidekick ever made their hero better in any way, with the possible exception of Shaggy for Scooby Doo.

Batman sales disagree with you.

Jul 30, 2009#64

Shegokigo

Covar said:
Batman sales disagree with you.

Batman movie ticket sales disagree with you.

Jul 30, 2009#65

JCM

What she said.

Covar said:
Bubble181 said:

And I do sincerely hope they don't have either Robin or Batgirl in this generation. No sidekick ever made their hero better in any way, with the possible exception of Shaggy for Scooby Doo.

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Batman sales disagree with you.

Heh, the paltry comic sales that have the american Shounen jump run laps around it, and are dwarved by sales of every other comic industry?

I think the producers will try and please the millions who saw the Dark Knight Returns, not a few paltry comic fans who havent watched it.

Jul 31, 2009#66

Calleja

Guys... both Nolan and Bale have gone ON RECORD saying they will NEVER bring Robin into this movie universe. Bale even said he'd quit before being in a movie with Robin.

How would they bring in Batgirl if they're so vehemently against Robin?

Jul 31, 2009#67

figmentPez

Calleja said:
How would they bring in Batgirl if they're so vehemently against Robin?

Well, Batgirl doesn't have to be Batman's kid partner. They could do more of a Cassandra Cain Batgirl than a Barbara Gordon version. Or she could be done as a pre-cursor to the Huntress. Helena Betinelli starts out dressing as Batgirl (as she did for a time in the No Man's Land story-arc) before deciding to make her own identity.

Jul 31, 2009#68

fade

I think Robin could be well done. It would be tough, but possible. Maybe some gangland style origin?

Jul 31, 2009#69

Calleja

Yeah... I don't think so... they seemed pretty much against the whole "bat-family" concept to me.

Jul 31, 2009#70

figmentPez

Calleja said:
Yeah... I don't think so... they seemed pretty much against the whole "bat-family" concept to me.

Which is why I suggested the Huntress. She starts off just trying to copy Batman, with Bruce having to figure out what the second Bat is up to, especially if it's a "batman" who kills. Then it's outed that she's just a girl, she gets sick of being in the shadow of the Bat and decides to become the Huntress instead. No happy Bat-Family, no letting Helena in on the Bat-Cave, just conflict between Bats and a more brutal vigilante.

Jul 31, 2009#71

Calleja

My point here, Pez, is that they're seemingly not interested in having MORE vigilantes and focus on Batman being Batman instead. Which is a solid concept that has a lot of material to draw from. Batman by himself is interesting enough, we don't need Robin 1 or Robin 2 or Robin 3 or Batgirl 1 or Batgirl 2 or weird costume Batgirl, or Nightwing or Huntress or the Black Canary or any of the other vigilante characters that seem to pop up around Batman.

Seriously, for a man who calls himself a loner the man has more protegés and quasi-but-not-really rivals than the entire core membership of the fracking Justice League. It dilutes the original point of the character.

Think about it... Bale has said he'd QUIT the franchise if Robin was ever introduced. I don't think putting in another character that pretty much served Robin's purpose without being Robin would fool him.

-- less than a minute ago --

I should also add that the strong point in Batman's universe is the vast rogue's gallery of actually INTERESTING villains.

All future Batman movies could be like Dark Knight, with the main character pretty much being the villain and Batman being his foil... and they would be AWESOME.

Jul 31, 2009#72

figmentPez

You've got a good point there, but how seriously can we take their dedication to Batman's rogue gallery when they've taken two of the best villains and pretty much thrown them away already? The Scarecrow deserved his own movie (where he decides to make himself the new god of fear), and they totally changed Ras Al Ghul's backstory.

Jul 31, 2009#73

Espy

There will not be a Robin in Nolan's film. There can't be. He knows how dumb Robin is on film and in his universe.

Jul 31, 2009#74

Chippy

Charlie Dont Surf said:
I honestly have no idea why anyone is treating this as a credible story.

Jul 31, 2009#75

Calleja

figmentPez said:
You've got a good point there, but how seriously can we take their dedication to Batman's rogue gallery when they've taken two of the best villains and pretty much thrown them away already? The Scarecrow deserved his own movie (where he decides to make himself the new god of fear), and they totally changed Ras Al Ghul's backstory.

Batman Begins was the origin story. THAT film DID have Batman as the main character. It worked well as an introduction to the man. The villains weren't as important there.

We can take their dedication to the rogue's gallery seriously by looking at Dark Knight, which is probably more how future films would be, now that the origin story is out of the way.

Their version of the Joker is still my favorite of all time. That's why I have faith that they can take other awesome villains, make them even more awesome, and make more awesome movies.

Jul 31, 2009#76

fade

Calleja said:
My point here, Pez, is that they're seemingly not interested in having MORE vigilantes and focus on Batman being Batman instead. Which is a solid concept that has a lot of material to draw from. Batman by himself is interesting enough, we don't need Robin 1 or Robin 2 or Robin 3 or Batgirl 1 or Batgirl 2 or weird costume Batgirl, or Nightwing or Huntress or the Black Canary or any of the other vigilante characters that seem to pop up around Batman.

Seriously, for a man who calls himself a loner the man has more protegés and quasi-but-not-really rivals than the entire core membership of the fracking Justice League. It dilutes the original point of the character.

Think about it... Bale has said he'd QUIT the franchise if Robin was ever introduced. I don't think putting in another character that pretty much served Robin's purpose without being Robin would fool him.

-- less than a minute ago --

I should also add that the strong point in Batman's universe is the vast rogue's gallery of actually INTERESTING villains.

All future Batman movies could be like Dark Knight, with the main character pretty much being the villain and Batman being his foil... and they would be AWESOME.

This is really true of MOST fiction. Lee et al. talk about it in How to Draw Comics the Marvel Comics Way, among many books that talk about it. Heroes tend to be generic. You care about them, but they're not all that interesting. It's why anti-heroes are usually more popular. They're actually interesting. Who's more interesting? Batman, or the Joker? Luke or Vader? Frodo or Sauron?

Jul 31, 2009#77

figmentPez

Calleja said:
Batman Begins was the origin story. THAT film DID have Batman as the main character. It worked well as an introduction to the man. The villains weren't as important there.

Yes, the villains weren't as important. So why didn't they use Cornelius Stirk to make the fear gas? A minor villain for a minor role. And why did they use Ras Al Ghul at all? He's not a name most people know. It's not about their treatment in the film, it's about the treatment of the characters by the director, period. If you're going to convince me that the movie makers have a good handle on Batman's rogue gallery, you're going to have to convince me that there were good reason for wasting the Scarecrow as a bit part.

Jul 31, 2009#78

Calleja

fade said:
This is really true of MOST fiction. Lee et al. talk about it in How to Draw Comics the Marvel Comics Way, among many books that talk about it. Heroes tend to be generic. You care about them, but they're not all that interesting. It's why anti-heroes are usually more popular. They're actually interesting. Who's more interesting? Batman, or the Joker? Luke or Vader? Frodo or Sauron?

I find Spider-Man to be pretty damn interesting on his own. Hell, Venom works because of the CONTRAST with Spidey.

I think I found an exception to your rule. No villain in Spidey's rogue gallery is as interesting as he is. And I know my Spidey.

but yeah, in general, I'll have to agree.

Jul 31, 2009#79

fade

Espy said:
There will not be a Robin in Nolan's film. There can't be. He knows how dumb Robin is on film and in his universe.

Well, really any costumed superhero is pretty stupid on film. The more realistic Nolan makes his world, the less Batman feels like he fits. He kind of sticks out like a sore thumb already. I can't imagine a costumed helper would feel any more incongruent.

Jul 31, 2009#80

Calleja

figmentPez said:
Yes, the villains weren't as important. So why didn't they use Cornelius Stirk to make the fear gas? A minor villain for a minor role. And why did they use Ras Al Ghul at all? He's not a name most people know. It's not about their treatment in the film, it's about the treatment of the characters by the director, period. If you're going to convince me that the movie makers have a good handle on Batman's rogue gallery, you're going to have to convince me that there were good reason for wasting the Scarecrow as a bit part.

You answered your own question with why they used Ras Al Ghul.

And the Scarecrow... honestly... he's not that interesting of a character. His thing is instilling fear. Fair enough... but that's what Batman is trying to do himself. Get the point? They added a villain whose schtick is fear to serve as the other side of what Batman was trying to do. That way, I think they used him pretty effing well in Batman Begins. He's not a bit part at all, just not the main focus of the origin story.

And, again, look at the rogue's gallery... there are TONS of villains more interesting than Scarecrow. They didn't use the big guns for the origin story, and I applaud that.

And I shouldn't need to convince you they have a good handle on Batman's villains... didn't Dark Knight do that on its own?

Jul 31, 2009#81

JCM

My point here, Pez, is that they're seemingly not interested in having MORE vigilantes and focus on Batman being Batman instead. Which is a solid concept that has a lot of material to draw from. Batman by himself is interesting enough, we don't need Robin 1 or Robin 2 or Robin 3 or Batgirl 1 or Batgirl 2 or weird costume Batgirl, or Nightwing or Huntress or the Black Canary or any of the other vigilante characters that seem to pop up around Batman.

Seriously, for a man who calls himself a loner the man has more protegés and quasi-but-not-really rivals than the entire core membership of the fracking Justice League. It dilutes the original point of the character.

Think about it... Bale has said he'd QUIT the franchise if Robin was ever introduced. I don't think putting in another character that pretty much served Robin's purpose without being Robin would fool him.

Pretty much everything Calleja said.

Really, its better this way, the way Bale and the director wants it, who the hell wants 3 robins (ex, dead but revived and the current one) , 2 batgirls (a disabled ex and current one), a previous Batman (Azrael), Batwoman, Ace the Bat-hound

And this guy?

Let Batman movies keep being about Batman.

Jul 31, 2009#82

Le Quack

Catwoman is batman's best rival/ally.

I wish they'd put her in the next one.

Jul 31, 2009#83

Calleja

Le Quack said:
Catwoman is batman's best rival/ally.

I wish they'd put her in the next one.

Yeah, Catwoman is the one I'd definitely love to see next. And since apparently they're pretty much sticking to the two villains formula, add the Riddler... he doesn't have that much of a backstory or depth that would rob Catwoman of camera time, but is still one of the most iconic and awesome Batman villains. I'd love to see what Nolan would do to the Riddler.

Aug 1, 2009#84

Shegokigo

I'll take the Huntress path please:

Aug 1, 2009#85

CynicismKills

Her and Question in JLU was pure win.

Aug 1, 2009#86

fade

It annoys me when comic artists draw nipples on female characters. It's so unnecessary. I mean, I love boobies, but it just seems stupid and objectifying.

Aug 1, 2009#87

Hailey Knight

Calleja said:
fade said:

This is really true of MOST fiction. Lee et al. talk about it in How to Draw Comics the Marvel Comics Way, among many books that talk about it. Heroes tend to be generic. You care about them, but they're not all that interesting. It's why anti-heroes are usually more popular. They're actually interesting. Who's more interesting? Batman, or the Joker? Luke or Vader? Frodo or Sauron?

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I find Spider-Man to be pretty damn interesting on his own. Hell, Venom works because of the CONTRAST with Spidey.

I think I found an exception to your rule. No villain in Spidey's rogue gallery is as interesting as he is. And I know my Spidey.

but yeah, in general, I'll have to agree.

Frodo is more interesting than Sauron.

Spider-man has it that way because he kind of lacks an arch-nemesis. There's no Lex Luthor or Joker for him. Venom is the closest you might get, and he's a friggin' good guy. Spider-man has some classics like Green Goblin, Doctor Octopus. Even his lower-tier villains like Chameleon were interesting. But none of them has ever had a central crown against Spidey, which is why there's always a struggle in who to pit him against. Like making Spencer Smythe the main villain of the 90s cartoon. Why him? Because he can work in the background. Not because he's the established prime villain to Spider-man.

I also think Hulk is more interesting than any of his villains.

Aug 2, 2009#88

JCM

fade said:
It annoys me when comic artists draw nipples on female characters. It's so unnecessary. I mean, I love boobies, but it just seems stupid and objectifying.

Have you seen the average comic-shop goer?

Its probably the only nipples they'll see outside porn and prostitute. *I kid, I kid*

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