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Anyone watching this?

I watched the series premiere tonight (will watch the 2nd episode tomorrow).

HOLY SHIT is this good.

What a great ending.

It's always perplexed me as to why Saul/James works in such a shithole when he's actually a good lawyer.

Without spoiling anything, is this a prequel to Breaking Bad, occurs during, or is it a sequel series? Because ...

Watching the second episode now. This is actually way better than I had hoped. I'm so happy to be back in this world again.

Zero Esc said:

Without spoiling anything, is this a prequel to Breaking Bad, occurs during, or is it a sequel series? Because ...

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At the end of BB, I thought he went to change his identity.

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It's a prequel. it starts with him still using his real name (remember when he first met Walt, he confessed his real name is McGill)

However,

Zero Esc said:

Without spoiling anything, is this a prequel to Breaking Bad, occurs during, or is it a sequel series? Because ...

Spoiler

At the end of BB, I thought he went to change his identity.

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With the exception of the very beginning of the first episode to show you what happened to Saul, it's all a prequel. It takes place in the early 2000's, as can be seen on the video evidence in his first case being dated year 2001.

The cell phones are also straight out of 2001. I remember the models that had extendable antennae.

First ep was awesome. Felt like a true sequel/prequel to Breaking Bad. Haven't watched the second ep yet but can't wait.

Just finished episode 2.


I NEED MORE.

Same, this show is so good!!!

Is it as poorly paced, sorry, deliberately paced, as Breaking Bad?

This show is soooooooo good.

I was surprised to see there are actually nice neighborhoods in Albuquerque. Breaking Bad did for Albuquerque what The Wire did for Baltimore.

IronBrig4 said:

I was surprised to see there are actually nice neighborhoods in Albuquerque. Breaking Bad did for Albuquerque what The Wire did for Baltimore.

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Walt lived in a pretty nice neighborhood.

Actually, so did Jesse and his parents.

I take that back, Walt's neighborhood did have a drug lord living in it.

Last episode was a bit flat but hey... it'll lead to something... Mike was useful.

Show is great. Loving it so far.

Why no Mrs. Kettleman, I don't believe that you're guilty.

Oh, Mrs. Kettleman!

Frank said:

Show is great. Loving it so far.

Why no Mrs. Kettleman, I don't believe that you're guilty.

Oh, Mrs. Kettleman!

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I don't remember -that- in the episode...

Me when I'm at work and hearing people praising this show.



SO GOOD.

Anyone else just realize that Saul Goodman has another meaning before this episode?

The dual Biblical allusions?

jwhouk said:

The dual Biblical allusions?

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s'all good, man.

Wow, this episode was great. I like how they branch out of Albuquerque to show Cicero and Philadelphia.

This week's episode... damn.

LALALALA NOT READING POSTS BECAUSE I HAVEN'T WATCHED THIS WEEK'S EPISODE YET.

But i just discovered this morning that Kelly Dixon, Vince Gilligan and Peter Gould ARE doing a Better Call Saul Insider podcast. Go listen to it. It's every bit as fun and insightful as the Breaking Bad Insider Podcast was.

And if you are unfamiliar with that podcast, i highly recommend that too. I've actually listened to the whole thing a few times.

I just listened to this today. It's pretty good too.

http://www.npr.org/2015/03/09/39187...reathes-new-life-into-breaking-bad-characters

Just watched it. Holy shit Mike. The feels.

I love this show. That Mike episode was great.

Wow, the treasurer's wife is a real harpy.

I cracked up when Saul mentioned he'll have her own prison gang.

Another good episode, honestly, no fillers, the storyline progresses to possible a great season finale in a few episodes.

I love that his matlock shtick with the goofy slogan and the obvious pandering seems to actually be paying off.

IronBrig4 said:

Wow, the treasurer's wife is a real harpy.

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immediately came to mind:

Why did I have to eat brownies during the dumpster scene...

Goddamn... this episode... punch right to the gut.

This show is so damn good. The Mike story this week was classic.

If they make another spinoff series, I'd love to see something on Gus Fring or Gale Boetticher.

By the way, do you think Gale was a homosexual? I just figured he was cultured (fluent in Italian, interest in 19th century poetry, etc.). My roommate insists he was totally gay.

IronBrig4 said:

If they make another spinoff series, I'd love to see something on Gus Fring or Gale Boetticher.

By the way, do you think Gale was a homosexual? I just figured he was cultured (fluent in Italian, interest in 19th century poetry, etc.). My roommate insists he was totally gay.

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There is still hope that those characters could show up in BCS, after all, Mike does end up working for Gus so we need to know how that happens.

In the middle of watching right now.

Woo, that tirade of Chuck's at the end of the episode felt like I was listening to my dad as a teenager again. That was fucking rough. Brilliant episode.

Same thing.

I was like... you fucking asshole.
How dare you say this shit while you're at home wasting your life and your brother is fucking taking care of you while still attempting to have a fucking life of his own.
It was like someone punched me in the balls.

Jay said:

Same thing.

I was like... you fucking asshole.
How dare you say this shit while you're at home wasting your life and your brother is fucking taking care of you while still attempting to have a fucking life of his own.
It was like someone punched me in the balls.

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Brilliant, went right along with Mike's talk with the newly minted criminal about bad cops and honorable thieves.

Jimmy turned his life around because of Chuck. He's trying so hard to go legit just to make his brother proud, and to find out that all of his work has done nothing to change Chuck's opinion of him, that he still looks down on him as just a con man... that hurts.

Man, really changes Hamelin eh? He was basically following Chuck's marching orders and playing the bad guy. He's still a douche but SO MUCH MORE GREY!

I kinda saw that coming pretty early on regarding Hamelin. Chuck has seemed a little distant and a little suspicious of Jimmy right from the start. And no one in the Breaking Bad universe is straiht up good or straight up evil, or even completely the bad guy or completely the good guy, if you want to look at it that way. Except Gomie.

Even Tuco was a loving grandson and nephew who loved to cook for his family.
So when Hamelin comes off so douchey, and the protagonist tells us we're supposed to hate him, but we never actually see him treated anything less than fair by Hamelin, you know something's up.

Hamelindigo is enough to know that despite everything, still a douche.

Also, haven't mentioned it but fuck I love when Bob Odenkirk swears. He is the greatest user of colourful language on the planet. Been such a fan of his since watching my first episode of Mr. Show like 20 years ago.

Frank said:

Hamelindigo is enough to know that despite everything, still a douche.

Also, haven't mentioned it but fuck I love when Bob Odenkirk swears. He is the greatest user of colourful language on the planet. Been such a fan of his since watching my first episode of Mr. Show like 20 years ago.

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I was disappointed, I bought the episode off the Sony Store and they censored it.

Speaking of Bob Odenkirk swearing!

http://deadline.com/2015/04/bob-odenkirk-david-cross-sketch-comedy-series-netflix-1201403256/

MY DICK CAN ONLY GET SO HARD!

Frank said:

Speaking of Bob Odenkirk swearing!

http://deadline.com/2015/04/bob-odenkirk-david-cross-sketch-comedy-series-netflix-1201403256/

MY DICK CAN ONLY GET SO HARD!

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I'm still waiting for a David Cross cameo in Better Call Saul that will probably never happen just because it would be so meta.

Well, that's it for a year. Hopefully we get more Nacho next season.
Like Breaking Bad tended to do, i felt like the penultimate was a better episode than the finale. But the finale definitely worked really well. It gave us a lot of closure on Jimmy as a character while leaving virtually every plot thread hanging.

checkeredhat said:

Well, that's it for a year. Hopefully we get more Nacho next season.
Like Breaking Bad tended to do, i felt like the penultimate was a better episode than the finale. But the finale definitely worked really well. It gave us a lot of closure on Jimmy as a character while leaving virtually every plot thread hanging.

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Wait, what, that was the season finale? Damn

The penultimate episode was good, but my favorite is the Mike episode by far.

Great first season... cannot wait for more!

So, is anyone else watching the second season? I'm enjoying it so far. Now I know what "squat cobbler" is.

It is the best show on TV right now. Wonderful bloody show.

Soooooo goood.

I loved the look of disappointment/regret when Jimmy looked at the sunroof of the company car.

And when he's in the interrogation room with the baseball card collector. The guy's going on and on about preservation techniques while Jimmy's eyes glaze over.

Can't wait for the next episode.

Mike is so awesome.

You know what I just realized? We've seen that douchey stock broker before. The one that Saul and his girlfriend stick with an outrageous bar tab. He was in one of the early Breaking Bad episodes. He pulled up to a gas station and generally behaved in an obnoxious manner. His license plate read "KENWINS." Walt messed with his engine and set the car on fire while Ken freaked out.

So, any idea when this show takes place? It has to be sometime in the early 2000s. Smart phones aren't a thing yet, but Fight Club has already been released. What do you think? Pre or post-9/11?

Another thing I've noticed is the use of color in this show, just like in Breaking Bad. Saul tends to wear gray, symbolizing his ambiguous morality. Kim usually wears blue. And when Hamlin pulls the carpet out from under her, she's suddenly wearing black.

I'm pretty sure they've said 2002.

HAH, THE OPENING

I've learned to steer clear of people pulling that "my son's really sick and I need gas money to drive to the hospital" scam. They usually claim to live in my apartment complex. I tell them that since it's an emergency, I can drive them to the hospital myself. Better yet, I know nurses who work in the nearby hospitals and they can give us a status update. Then they suddenly decide they shouldn't be a bother.

It also turns out that men fall for that scam a lot more often than women do. Men aren't more gullible. It's just that they're more willing to open the door to a stranger at night.

Dei said:

HAH, THE OPENING

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Fuck you Chuck, your dad was a sucker, stop blaming Jimmy so much, and start blaming your dad more.

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I mean, Chuck basically said his dad was too trusting. And its not like we didn't see Jimmy steal money from him at the end of that scene.

blotsfan said:

I mean, Chuck basically said his dad was too trusting. And its not like we didn't see Jimmy steal money from him at the end of that scene.

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True, but unlike Chuck, Jimmy was there to watch his dad get ripped off over and over again, with nothing he could do about it.

I don't think it was the people conning him out of a couple bucks that did him in. Watching your dad get ripped off doesn't make stealing from him until his business goes under ok.

But I guess we'll see. We've only really heard Chucks side of the story.

If people are doing it on a consistent basis every day, it most certainly can. Especially when it's obviously a fake sob story, and your dad not only buys it, he gives the guy more to keep him from leaving when he thinks he's been caught.

My point is that guess where Jimmy got his attitude from? Not wanting to BE his dad.

Dei said:

My point is that guess where Jimmy got his attitude from? Not wanting to BE his dad.

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That's understandable, but that doesn't mean Chuck doesn't have a reason to be angry at him for stealing from his dad.

In the end, Chuck was right. Jimmy would have never fit in with them, and the same thing would have happened at his firm. The way he went about it makes him an ass, but Jimmy is better off on his own.

I just don't like Chuck in general, because he is one of those people who sits on a high horse looking down at Jimmy, while being simultaneously jealous of how good he is with people. And I get that he knows Jimmy better than anyone, but the scene with them at dinner is what really nailed down Chuck for me.

I'm wondering what happened to make Chuck what he is. He used to be a worldly, well-traveled, outgoing man in a healthy marriage. Now he's a shut-in who can't take care of himself.

On another note, I'd love to see another flashback episode with Mike. Maybe dealing with his experience in Vietnam.

IronBrig4 said:

I'm wondering what happened to make Chuck what he is. He used to be a worldly, well-traveled, outgoing man in a healthy marriage. Now he's a shut-in who can't take care of himself.

On another note, I'd love to see another flashback episode with Mike. Maybe dealing with his experience in Vietnam.

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I love all the Mike parts. I can also start to see why Mike worked for Gus and why Gus and Hector vehemently hate each other.

At the end of season 2, I conclude that Chuck is a douchebag. Sure, I understand that he's been frustrated with Jimmy all his life. No matter how much Jimmy screws up, he somehow emerges with people still liking him while Chuck has to clean up. I used to feel sorry for Chuck but the guy is bringing up Jimmy's high school shenanigans as evidence. This is a sad, jealous man who just can't admit he made mistakes.

Season 3 tonight!

Yeah, this last episode definitely had a Breaking Bad type ending. When you see a likeable character utterly screw themselves.

I hate Chuck so much.

This show is the absolute best. I love that Gus and his operation are entering the picture and can't wait to see what Jimmy/Saul does that makes him nervous to refer Walt to them in Breaking Bad.

Plus,

Dei said:

I hate Chuck so much.

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Logically, Jimmy knows he can ignore the existence of the tape. But the fact that Jimmy has bent over backwards to keep Chuck out of the asylum and Chuck just keeps belittling him has finally hit the breaking point. Jimmy is also an ass, and fucked up Chuck's reputation, but I wonder if Chuck even realizes that Jimmy cares less about the tape and more about how Chuck despises him.

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Yeah but Jimmy fucked over Chuck hard. Yeah there was spite in Chuck personally securing the client but it was still him trying to get a large client for his business.

blotsfan said:

Yeah but Jimmy fucked over Chuck hard. Yeah there was spite in Chuck personally securing the client but it was still him trying to get a large client for his business.

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They are both assholes, I just feel like Chuck refuses to see Jimmy as more than someone he has to beat, and doesn't see that all Jimmy has really ever wanted is for Chuck to be proud of him for something. Their relationship is so toxic, and has led to both of them making awful choices. I'm just glad this episode acknowledged that Jimmy could easily say he was lying to get Chuck back on track, and have medical history back him up, because that was a huge loophole in my mind at the season finale.

I'd always thought Chuck's wife died of cancer or something. That would explain his deteriorated mental state. But learning that she divorced him instead suggests his spiteful, manipulative personality isn't anything new.

There are no good guys here, but I really want to see Chuck's ass nailed to the wall.

I didn't know Los Pollos Hermanos had an employee training video. If I were a high school kid, I wouldn't mind working for someone like Gus. He treats his restaurant employees well.

I really want to see how Hector gets crippled. >.>[DOUBLEPOST=1494271003,1494270564][/DOUBLEPOST]Also, 10 week online training course for a fast food job? 0_o

I'm thinking Hector has his stroke at the end of this season.

Btw, here's another training video. Gotta feel bad for KENWINS. Jimmy and Kim stiffed him on a $1000 bottle of tequila and Walt set his car on fire. He just wanted his curly fries...



Edit: I love the character they re-introduced tonight. I'm not naming names, but here's a portrait. /-_-\

So good. I got so excited when the vet asked "you don't need him fit them into any tight spaces do you?"

Also just a great episode. I loved chuck hanging himself like that. So cathartic.

I could watch that rant over and over again.

Jimmy has been the only thing standing between Chuck and a mental hospital, I wonder if Jimmy got Chuck's ex to show up so that Jimmy can tell Chuck to fuck off the next time he gets hospitalized and feel less guilt. I know it was to make her a red herring and make Chuck drop his guard, but Jimmy still cares about Chuck, even if he's a self righteous ass. Really want to see Hamlin disassociate from Chuck somehow.

There should not be nepotism at Hamlin Hamlin McGill.

They introduced FOUR characters from Breaking Bad in last night's episode. Not bad.

I'm trying to figure Nacho out. He doesn't have any vendettas when his peers (Mike and Gus) live for revenge. He is reluctant to engage in violence while Tuco revels in it. And he tries to keep his family out of the drug business while Hector brings everyone in. There are occasions when Nacho is tempted to cross a line (like with the Kettlemans in season 1) but Jimmy can make him see reason. He's a good deal smarter and more rational than most of the petty crooks on the show.

I get the impression that Nacho doesn't particularly like being in the cartel. It's just a good way to make money. He's kinda the cartels version of Howard.

I'm gonna need that explained to me. The only Howards I know are Wolowitz and the Duck.

Edit: Oh wait, you mean Howard Hamlin. Yeah I can see that.

No more Better Call Saul for a couple weeks, but I'm eager to see what happens with Mike, Nacho, and Mr. Squat Cobbler.

That yoga scene had me cringing. Breaking Bad had moments where you wanted to close your eyes because you knew it could not end well. Think about that part where Walt's cooking in Jesse's basement and they don't know an open house was scheduled for that day. Or when Walt shows up at Skyler's work in order to confront Ted. I felt the same way when Jimmy was at yoga.

All of the Chuck scenes made me feel that way.

Outstanding season, wish it wasn't over.

The actor who plays Chuck had an interesting take on the character. People respect Chuck and defer to his legal expertise, but they don't LIKE him. Jimmy knows how to instantly read people and puts them at ease. He could sell a ketchup popsicle to a woman in white gloves. Chuck wants to have that ability but it doesn't come naturally to him. And that drives him insane with jealousy.

And we're getting a season 4.

https://www.google.com/amp/variety....better-call-saul-for-season-4-1202479682/amp/

This show is really good, huh?

Damn. As nice as it is to see everything start to come together, it’s going to suck when it’s done.

Shakey said:

Damn. As nice as it is to see everything start to come together, it’s going to suck when it’s done.

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I haven't been hyped for a show ending since Hannibal. Kinda feels good that it's got a chance to wrap things up in a satisfying way

I'm behind, by a season or two, but I still maintain BCS is a better show than BB.

Damn, Kim can be stone cold when she wants to.

Late to the party but finally finished Better Call Saul and like Breaking Bad before it was a outstanding ending. I might agree wih Far, that it is overall a better show but I guess I can now rewatch Breaking Bad as a Better Call Saul sequel and find out.