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Buying, training, then selling kids for suicide bombs

#1

strawman

strawman

Terrorists have always had a "By any means necessary" mentality regarding their cause, and this shouldn't surprise me, but it's still terrible.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/0 ... index.html

What gets me is that it's not just for a cause - it's now a criminal enterprise. Profit is being made by directly leading children to their death.

-Adam


#2





I very nearly posted this and then thought, "This is just too horrible." Buying kids. To use as Human bombs.

Stay classy, Taliban!


#3

AshburnerX

AshburnerX

You just know that THIS will be the first use of full cloned humans in warfare, if we ever get the technology down.


#4



Chibibar

So basically these scums buy these kids, brain wash them (training if you want to call it that) and send them to their death??


#5

Jake

Jake

AshburnerX said:
You just know that THIS will be the first use of full cloned humans in warfare, if we ever get the technology down.
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That's ridiculous. Why would you spend a ton of money to clone a human just to blow them up, when there are plenty of much cheaper humans available?


#6



Chibibar

well.. if explosive are more powerful, you can use rats to carry them in for you.


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Jake said:
AshburnerX said:
You just know that THIS will be the first use of full cloned humans in warfare, if we ever get the technology down.
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That's ridiculous. Why would you spend a ton of money to clone a human just to blow them up, when there are plenty of much cheaper humans available?
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I'm going to go to hell for this, but considering they are buying the kids for $6,000 to $12,000 each and that there are a finite amount of people willing to sell their kids, I would think that mass-production of a clone would be more cost effective in the end. Granted, it would take 11 years and 9 months for the first generation to reach viability (some of the kids were 11 years old), but in the end cloning would be cheaper.

Now, assuming that the terror campaign does not go on that long, using normal children would be better. But if the long-term strategy of the Taliban is over 15 years or so, then the development and mass production of clones for bombing purposes makes more sense.


#8



Chibibar

Edrondol said:
Jake said:
AshburnerX said:
You just know that THIS will be the first use of full cloned humans in warfare, if we ever get the technology down.
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That's ridiculous. Why would you spend a ton of money to clone a human just to blow them up, when there are plenty of much cheaper humans available?
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I'm going to go to hell for this, but considering they are buying the kids for $6,000 to $12,000 each and that there are a finite amount of people willing to sell their kids, I would think that mass-production of a clone would be more cost effective in the end. Granted, it would take 11 years and 9 months for the first generation to reach viability (some of the kids were 11 years old), but in the end cloning would be cheaper.

Now, assuming that the terror campaign does not go on that long, using normal children would be better. But if the long-term strategy of the Taliban is over 15 years or so, then the development and mass production of clones for bombing purposes makes more sense.
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At this rate, why not use drones? or animals? (I'm not supporting these terror acts just having a discussion) A dog would only take a year or less vs a human of 11 years.


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Chibibar said:
Edrondol said:
Jake said:
AshburnerX said:
You just know that THIS will be the first use of full cloned humans in warfare, if we ever get the technology down.
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That's ridiculous. Why would you spend a ton of money to clone a human just to blow them up, when there are plenty of much cheaper humans available?
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I'm going to go to hell for this, but considering they are buying the kids for $6,000 to $12,000 each and that there are a finite amount of people willing to sell their kids, I would think that mass-production of a clone would be more cost effective in the end. Granted, it would take 11 years and 9 months for the first generation to reach viability (some of the kids were 11 years old), but in the end cloning would be cheaper.

Now, assuming that the terror campaign does not go on that long, using normal children would be better. But if the long-term strategy of the Taliban is over 15 years or so, then the development and mass production of clones for bombing purposes makes more sense.
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At this rate, why not use drones? or animals? (I'm not supporting these terror acts just having a discussion) A dog would only take a year or less vs a human of 11 years.
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True, but there's a question of free will. A dog bound by a bunch of explosives could be trained to go to a certain place, but could not talk its way past a checkpoint. And a Human wearing baggy clothes or carrying a backpack is less conspicuous than a dog with an outfit on.


#10

strawman

strawman

Edrondol said:
the development and mass production of clones for bombing purposes makes more sense.
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Only if using guerrilla techniques with the requirement that operations must be cheap and carried out in secure areas where only humans are admitted.

Terror campaigns against civilians, rather than "real" warfare, might benefit from cloning.

Besides, why go to that trouble when there are a surplus of 'free' kids who have parents that want them to go to school? I doubt these people are buying kids, so much as promising an education, and then selling them to other terrorists for use. Perhaps some parents know what's in store for their children and are willing to do that, but I find it hard to believe that many children could be collected without some deception.

But with a little lie it's easy to collect them, and perhaps even extract money from their parents for the 'education'.

Either way, children will be screened more carefully, and more soldiers are going to have to make hard decisions about when to kill a child because they are likely to be carrying a bomb.

Tragic doesn't even begin to describe the chain reaction being started...

-Adam


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Yikes. I didn't even think of lying to get them. I'm just not evil enough to grasp the entire concept.


#12



Chibibar

stienman said:
Edrondol said:
the development and mass production of clones for bombing purposes makes more sense.
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Only if using guerrilla techniques with the requirement that operations must be cheap and carried out in secure areas where only humans are admitted.

Terror campaigns against civilians, rather than "real" warfare, might benefit from cloning.

Besides, why go to that trouble when there are a surplus of 'free' kids who have parents that want them to go to school? I doubt these people are buying kids, so much as promising an education, and then selling them to other terrorists for use. Perhaps some parents know what's in store for their children and are willing to do that, but I find it hard to believe that many children could be collected without some deception.

But with a little lie it's easy to collect them, and perhaps even extract money from their parents for the 'education'.

Either way, children will be screened more carefully, and more soldiers are going to have to make hard decisions about when to kill a child because they are likely to be carrying a bomb.

Tragic doesn't even begin to describe the chain reaction being started...

-Adam
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Can you imagine the psychological effect on a soldier? I mean, most soldiers are trained to kill another soldiers, not civilians. Are these kids would be consider combatant?

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Edrondol said:
Yikes. I didn't even think of lying to get them. I'm just not evil enough to grasp the entire concept.
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sadly, there are so much "surplus" of children that are abandon or in foster care, I'm sure these scum can get those kids.


#13

AshburnerX

AshburnerX

Edrondol said:
Granted, it would take 11 years and 9 months for the first generation to reach viability (some of the kids were 11 years old), but in the end cloning would be cheaper.
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No it wouldn't... it would be much faster if you took the cells you wanted to use for the clone from an older person. The Cell would have already undergone some Cell Degradation from a lifetime of splitting, which would cause anything cloned from those cells to age rapidly after a certain amount of time. The amount of time would depend on just how old the person you got the genetic material from was at the time... the older they are, the sooner it would happen.

For a fictional example, look at Solid Snake in MGS. He went from looking like a young, handsome guy in his early 30's to looking like an older, wiser soldier well into 40's over the course of two years in-game. By the time he was in his 40's, he was biologically well into 70's. This was all caused by using modern cloning techniques.

Chibibar said:
Can you imagine the psychological effect on a soldier? I mean, most soldiers are trained to kill another soldiers, not civilians. Are these kids would be consider combatant?
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Yes... and we would call them Tykebombs.
:rimshot:


#14

Cat

Cat

Child labor must be stopped now


#15

strawman

strawman

Cat said:
Child labor must be stopped now
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If The Onion accepted article ideas, I'd suggest an article on international child labor laws being revised to allow 12-14 year old youth to work jobs as newspaper carriers, grocery baggers, light infantry, etc.

They don't accept suggestions or submissions though.

-Adam


#16

Jake

Jake

Sorry, cloning still makes no sense in this scenario. After all the expense of cloning, you still need to implant the embryos in a womb. Standard IVF would probably be cheaper, but cheaper still is the old-fashioned method (or a even a turkey baster full of baby batter). Not to mention the feeding of your stable of kids for all the time needed to reach adolescence.

So no, it's still far cheaper and easier to get them on the open market.


#17



Chazwozel

Jake said:
Sorry, cloning still makes no sense in this scenario. After all the expense of cloning, you still need to implant the embryos in a womb. Standard IVF would probably be cheaper, but cheaper still is the old-fashioned method (or a even a turkey baster full of baby batter). Not to mention the feeding of your stable of kids for all the time needed to reach adolescence.

So no, it's still far cheaper and easier to get them on the open market.
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Seconded.



#18



Chibibar

Jake said:
Sorry, cloning still makes no sense in this scenario. After all the expense of cloning, you still need to implant the embryos in a womb. Standard IVF would probably be cheaper, but cheaper still is the old-fashioned method (or a even a turkey baster full of baby batter). Not to mention the feeding of your stable of kids for all the time needed to reach adolescence.

So no, it's still far cheaper and easier to get them on the open market.
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I would not be surprise if the Taliban setup a "abandon children" center and get kids for free. I mean there are tons of children around the world who doesn't have a home. Get them free, train them and sell for profit.


#19

Jake

Jake

AshburnerX said:
No it wouldn't... it would be much faster if you took the cells you wanted to use for the clone from an older person. The Cell would have already undergone some Cell Degradation from a lifetime of splitting, which would cause anything cloned from those cells to age rapidly after a certain amount of time. The amount of time would depend on just how old the person you got the genetic material from was at the time... the older they are, the sooner it would happen.
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Also, I'd like to point out that this is what happens when people learn all their science from video games. :facepalm:


#20



Chazwozel

Jake said:
AshburnerX said:
No it wouldn't... it would be much faster if you took the cells you wanted to use for the clone from an older person. The Cell would have already undergone some Cell Degradation from a lifetime of splitting, which would cause anything cloned from those cells to age rapidly after a certain amount of time. The amount of time would depend on just how old the person you got the genetic material from was at the time... the older they are, the sooner it would happen.
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Also, I'd like to point out that this is what happens when people learn all their science from video games. :facepalm:
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i thought I banned Ashburner from science discussions?


#21

Jake

Jake

Chazwozel said:
i thought I banned Ashburner from science discussions?
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Fuck that, I'd be falling asleep at my desk if it weren't for the forehead slapping.


#22



Chazwozel

The ONLY ONLY ONLY ounce of non-stupidity I can gather from that abortion of a statement is that he might be vaguely trying to tie in telomeric shortening into the topic of cloning somehow?


#23

strawman

strawman

I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic.

-Adam


#24



Chazwozel

stienman said:
I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic.

-Adam
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And where the hell do you get off trying to eat your babies!?!?!


#25

strawman

strawman

Chazwozel said:
stienman said:
I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic.

-Adam
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And where the * do you get off trying to eat your babies!?!?!
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You're just jealous 'cause I don't share.

-Adam


#26

Fun Size

Fun Size

stienman said:
Chazwozel said:
stienman said:
I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic.

-Adam
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And where the * do you get off trying to eat your babies!?!?!
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You're just jealous 'cause I don't share.

-Adam
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Besides, until you guys get your shit together and start cloning them, where else is he going to get a baby?


#27

AshburnerX

AshburnerX

Ok... so apparently nobody can tell the difference between sarcasm and an honest statement. Do we need a sarcasm tag?

That being said, Telomere shortening would be an accurate approximation of how it happened in the game. It has been linked to aging on a cellular level.


#28

phil

phil

So we found an article about children being used as human bombs......


and turned it into a discussion on if it's more cost effective and practical to keep doing this or to just clone people and use them as bombs.



Really?


#29

Cat

Cat

Why clone when you can farm?


#30



Chazwozel

phil said:
So we found an article about children being used as human bombs......


and turned it into a discussion on if it's more cost effective and practical to keep doing this or to just clone people and use them as bombs.



Really?
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That's our Halforum


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#31

Shegokigo

Shegokigo

What can I say, business is good! :twisted:


#32



JCM

Dont they have a suicide hotline?

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