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Holy shit. This is just crazy.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090923/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_census_worker_hanged

He had the word "Fed" scrawled on his chest according to the report. The FBI are still investigating on whether it was a murder or a suicide. For my money, I'm betting murder.

A lynch mob targeting census collectors?

What... the... fuck?

I mean sure, being asked to fill in surveys all the time can be a wee bit irritating, but isn't this going a little too far?

huh. Freaking crazy.

Of course, Michelle Bachmann won't lose any sleep...

Iaculus said:

A lynch mob targeting census collectors?

What... the... fuck?

I mean sure, being asked to fill in surveys all the time can be a wee bit irritating, but isn't this going a little too far?

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I certainly think so. I'm sure things like this doesn't help-


Be afraid of the census, be very afraid.

Oh fine, your video is soooo much better!

TeKeo said:

Oh fine, your video is soooo much better!

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Oh no, I think they compliment each other and show an interesting pattern of crazy.

Krisken said:

Holy shit. This is just crazy.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090923/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_census_worker_hanged

He had the word \"Fed\" scrawled on his chest according to the report. The FBI are still investigating on whether it was a murder or a suicide. For my money, I'm betting murder.

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This is probably like 90% likely to be a murder... and seriously, why kill the guy? Are you legally obligated to participate in the census? Isn't it an option to just tell them to go away?

AshburnerX;261951][quote=Krisken said:

Holy shit. This is just crazy.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090923/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_census_worker_hanged

He had the word \"Fed\" scrawled on his chest according to the report. The FBI are still investigating on whether it was a murder or a suicide. For my money, I'm betting murder.

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This is probably like 90% likely to be a murder... and seriously, why kill the guy? Are you legally obligated to participate in the census? Isn't it an option to just tell them to go away?[/QUOTE]
No, the census is required by law. I believe refusal is up to $5,000 fine.

Krisken;261940][quote=TeKeo said:

Oh fine, your video is soooo much better!

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Oh no, I think they compliment each other and show an interesting pattern of crazy.[/QUOTE]

Here's a good one from before the election:



Love the love for McCarthyism.

Yeah she is nuts. Grade A, pure nuts. She makes Palin look brilliant.

Jesus fucking Christ.

That shit is madness.

There is no fee for refusal. I've worked as a census worker. As for "Filling out survey's all the time"? It's done once every 4yrs. :bush:

Frankie said:

Jesus fucking Christ.

That shit is madness.

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Your government disagrees, Shego:

"The American Community Survey is conducted under the authority of Title 13, United States Code, Sections 141 and 193, and response is mandatory. According to Section 221, persons who do not respond shall be fined not more than $100. Title 18 U.S.C. Section 3571 and Section 3559, in effect amends Title 13 U.S.C. Section 221 by changing the fine for anyone over 18 years old who refuses or willfully neglects to complete the questionnaire or answer questions posed by census takers from a fine of not more than $100 to not more than $5,000"

http://www.census.gov/acs/www/SBasics/What/What1.htm

My government were the ones who told me the rules when I applied. *shrug*

When the census came to my house they said it was optional. I felt sorry for the lady. I had a horrible hangover, I had a few beers to help relieve it, and my place looked like shit. Of course I still decided to take it. Not a job I would ever wish on someone.

This really shocked me when I read about it. I couldn't help thinking of "O Brother, Where Art Thou?" (quote yoinked)

CHILD at front door with double-barrelled shotgun: "You men from the bank?"
PETE, one of 3 escaped convicts, looking for a hiding place: "You Wash's boy?"
CHILD: "Yassir! And Daddy tolt me I'm to shoot whosoever from the bank!"
He pokes his shotgun at the three men, who raise their hands.
DELMAR: "Well, we ain't from no bank, young feller."
CHILD: "Yassir! I's also s'pose to shoot folks servin' papers!"
DELMAR: "Well, we ain't got no papers."
CHILD: "Yassir! I nicked the census man!"
DELMAR: "Now, there's a good boy. Is your daddy about?"

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This is insane, of course, but let's not go too far down the road of blaming Bachmann, Beck, et al for this. There are serious concerns about whether the census is becoming too intrusive, whether it belongs under the jurisidiction of the White House, and so on.

Find the people who did this and punish them as harshly as possible.

Armadillo said:

This is insane, of course, but let's not go too far down the road of blaming Bachmann, Beck, et al for this.

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The fire was already there, they're just adding some gasoline...

Armadillo said:

This is insane, of course, but let's not go too far down the road of blaming Bachmann, Beck, et al for this. There are serious concerns about whether the census is becoming too intrusive, whether it belongs under the jurisidiction of the White House, and so on.

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Enough to start people getting lynched?

Armadillo said:

This is insane, of course, but let's not go too far down the road of blaming Bachmann, Beck, et al for this. There are serious concerns about whether the census is becoming too intrusive, whether it belongs under the jurisidiction of the White House, and so on.

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I reject that argument. Bachmann calling the census a prelude to internment camps and both her and Beck calling for armed revolt puts the blood firmly and indelibly on their hands.

The guy who murdered 3 Pittsburgh police officers did so because he had been convinced that "Obama was coming to take my guns away". The lady who showed up at a military base with a small arsenal did so because Beck and others had convinced her that it was really a "FEMA internment camp".

I'm not sure who is the more stupid here, though. Ms. Bachmann, or the people in her district who keep sending her back to Congress. Both she and they are a total disgrace.

DarkAudit;262213][quote=Armadillo said:

This is insane, of course, but let's not go too far down the road of blaming Bachmann, Beck, et al for this. There are serious concerns about whether the census is becoming too intrusive, whether it belongs under the jurisidiction of the White House, and so on.

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I reject that argument. Bachmann calling the census a prelude to internment camps and both her and Beck calling for armed revolt puts the blood firmly and indelibly on their hands.[/QUOTE]

Exactly. If Bachmann, Beck, and the rest had just been saying "too instrusive" and asking "whether it belongs under the jurisdiction of the White House", that would be one thing, and I would accept that they bear no responsibility.

But with the level of insane rhetoric that they've been throwing out there specifically regarding the census, accusations of fascism, and armed revolution, this puts this squarely in their camp.

On a side note, who's jurisdiction should the Census be part of? Or is the thought that it should be done away with?

I waffle between thinking (hoping) those wackos have absolutely no sway with any real people, and being terrified at how many people take them seriously. This incident is swinging me back to the latter

that is mess up.

TeKeo said:

On a side note, who's jurisdiction should the Census be part of? Or is the thought that it should be done away with?

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There is a legitimate need to know and understand the make-up of your country and the Census is one of the ways this is accomplished. That being said, it should be voluntary. If you have a problem with people not participating once it becomes voluntary, offer a tax incentive (Small. Maybe a $100-$200) to anyone who takes it.

I think that's the biggest concern about all of this: That people think they are being FORCED to give up their personal information to a government they no longer trust. You suddenly start paying them for their time and most of them would shut the fuck up.

ZenMonkey said:

This really shocked me when I read about it. I couldn't help thinking of "O Brother, Where Art Thou?" (quote yoinked)

CHILD at front door with double-barrelled shotgun: "You men from the bank?"
PETE, one of 3 escaped convicts, looking for a hiding place: "You Wash's boy?"
CHILD: "Yassir! And Daddy tolt me I'm to shoot whosoever from the bank!"
He pokes his shotgun at the three men, who raise their hands.
DELMAR: "Well, we ain't from no bank, young feller."
CHILD: "Yassir! I's also s'pose to shoot folks servin' papers!"
DELMAR: "Well, we ain't got no papers."
CHILD: "Yassir! I nicked the census man!"
DELMAR: "Now, there's a good boy. Is your daddy about?"

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In my top 10 favorite flicks for a reason! -

Armadillo said:

This is insane, of course, but let's not go too far down the road of blaming Bachmann, Beck, et al for this. There are serious concerns about whether the census is becoming too intrusive, whether it belongs under the jurisidiction of the White House, and so on.

Find the people who did this and punish them as harshly as possible.

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Just out of curiosity, what do these people have to say before they can be "blamed" for inciting violence?

Krisken;262325][quote=Armadillo said:

This is insane, of course, but let's not go too far down the road of blaming Bachmann, Beck, et al for this. There are serious concerns about whether the census is becoming too intrusive, whether it belongs under the jurisidiction of the White House, and so on.

Find the people who did this and punish them as harshly as possible.

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Just out of curiosity, what do these people have to say before they can be "blamed" for inciting violence?[/QUOTE]

"Kill Whitey."

AshburnerX;262299][quote=TeKeo said:

On a side note, who's jurisdiction should the Census be part of? Or is the thought that it should be done away with?

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There is a legitimate need to know and understand the make-up of your country and the Census is one of the ways this is accomplished. That being said, it should be voluntary. If you have a problem with people not participating once it becomes voluntary, offer a tax incentive (Small. Maybe a $100-$200) to anyone who takes it.

I think that's the biggest concern about all of this: That people think they are being FORCED to give up their personal information to a government they no longer trust. You suddenly start paying them for their time and most of them would shut the fuck up.[/QUOTE]

you know.. I think this is a good plan.

Forcing people to do something is not a good way to get people to do it. I think a tax incentive for participating is a good idea. You be surprise how many people will take it (if offer tax incentive) this mean people will have to file TAXES to get it

I'm kind of in favor of sampling. You obviously have to do more than pure randomly sampling but there are lots of techniques out there that will provide a great representation of the population, on which you could very accurately still allot representatives and federal funding, etc. It would be done at a fraction of the cost without losing much fidelity in your picture on demographic info.

The problem is that the founders conceived of the census as a necessary measure before statistical and sampling methods were strongly established (by more than a century!) so in a lot of ways we're clinging to old ways. Perhaps by only sampling 10 or 20% of the population, we can get less resistance to the idea and do it more cheaply at the same time.

The biggest obstacle might be that people take it even LESS seriously than they do now. In which case, a compromise might be in order. Take a census every 25 years and perform sampling every five or 10.

I like the idea of a tax incentive. Just add a form to the standard federal and offer people $50.

Or go like Mind Detective.

Bachmann has good reason to be scared of the census. Minnesota might lose a seat in the next redistricting. HER seat.

If that's so, she's doing it wrong. Underreporting the numbers is a sure way for her to lose that seat.

TeKeo said:

Or is the thought that it should be done away with?

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Pretty sure that would take a Constitutional amendment.

ZenMonkey;262493][quote=TeKeo said:

Or is the thought that it should be done away with?

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Pretty sure that would take a Constitutional amendment.[/QUOTE]

That might be true for sampling too. Isn't it about time we did some amending of that ol' scrap of paper anyway?

Of course, the Census is also practically useless in providing one bit of relevant data we need: Numbers of illegals in a community. I'd imagine some of the Census resistance is from groups worried about outing themselves and having to deal with INS.

AshburnerX said:

Of course, the Census is also practically useless in providing one bit of relevant data we need: Numbers of illegals in a community. I'd imagine some of the Census resistance is from groups worried about outing themselves and having to deal with INS.

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How would we get an accurate census if the danger of deportation was present? That is my only concern in regards to this. I'm not getting into the illegal immigrant discussion in this particular thread, but I think we would have less of an idea of how many people are living in a given area if people were required to prove citizenship.

This sounds more like a back woods redneck living off the grid, and growing acres of pot...

Yay for generalizations and regionalisms.

AshburnerX said:

Of course, the Census is also practically useless in providing one bit of relevant data we need: Numbers of illegals in a community. I'd imagine some of the Census resistance is from groups worried about outing themselves and having to deal with INS.

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Some, but likely not that much. To be honest, this sounds more like your basic redneck antigovernment paranoia.

Krisken;262558][quote=AshburnerX said:

Of course, the Census is also practically useless in providing one bit of relevant data we need: Numbers of illegals in a community. I'd imagine some of the Census resistance is from groups worried about outing themselves and having to deal with INS.

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How would we get an accurate census if the danger of deportation was present? That is my only concern in regards to this. I'm not getting into the illegal immigrant discussion in this particular thread, but I think we would have less of an idea of how many people are living in a given area if people were required to prove citizenship.[/QUOTE]

That's kind of my point. I'm saying that the number of illegals in an area would be a relevant data to have, and that the Census would be an ideal way of gathering that information, but that we'd never be able to gather it this way because people would be afraid of being rounded up if they coped to it.

AshburnerX;262606][quote=Krisken;262558][quote=AshburnerX said:

Of course, the Census is also practically useless in providing one bit of relevant data we need: Numbers of illegals in a community. I'd imagine some of the Census resistance is from groups worried about outing themselves and having to deal with INS.

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How would we get an accurate census if the danger of deportation was present? That is my only concern in regards to this. I'm not getting into the illegal immigrant discussion in this particular thread, but I think we would have less of an idea of how many people are living in a given area if people were required to prove citizenship.[/quote]

That's kind of my point. I'm saying that the number of illegals in an area would be a relevant data to have, and that the Census would be an ideal way of gathering that information, but that we'd never be able to gather it this way because people would be afraid of being rounded up if they coped to it.[/QUOTE]
Ah. I think I misread your post my first time through. Now that I've read it again, I can see that we're saying the same thing.

MindDetective said:

That might be true for sampling too. Isn't it about time we did some amending of that ol' scrap of paper anyway?

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Is sampling mandated in the Constitution? (Sorry, I know I should just look that up.) I can't remember if they mention the method, I just (think I) remember that the census is mentioned in there somehow.

Could this possibly have been a less useful post. No it could not.

ZenMonkey said:

Could this possibly have been a less useful post. No it could not.

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Yes it could. Trust me, I'm the expert.

So big shock (well, probably to the nuts out there who were going, "See??? Proof that the right is nuts and murderers! Yeeeeeeeeehaw!"): He killed himself and staged the whole thing.
http://news.aol.com/article/investigators-say-kentucky-census-worker/766376

Police Say Census Worker Killed Himself
FRANKFORT, Ky. (Nov. 24) - Authorities are saying a Kentucky census worker found hanging from a tree with \"fed\" scrawled on his chest committed suicide and staged his death to look like a homicide.
Investigators say Sparkman acted alone in manipulating the scene to conceal the suicide.
The news release says Sparkman had recently taken out two life insurance policies that would not pay out for suicide.

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Interesting. That's a lot of stuff to go through to conceal a suicide. Next time just pop some pills (enough to make yourself drowsy) and drive into a body of water. You die & tox screen comes back as having these in your system. BAM! Accident.

Sad that someone was that desperate to get money for whoever.

I take issue with the Left OR the Right inciting violence, however. Bachman's a bat-shit insane lunatic and Beck's a paranoid nut. I don't have any love for Olbermann or Madow though....I get the bulk of my news from the BBC.

Ah, gotta love the crazies that commented on the article.

DonDon747 said:

The police will not bother to investigate a very obivious murder. The total absurdy that this guy killed himself while at work by hanging himself bound with duct tape and scraching the word fed on to himself is absurd. The guy was obivously murded. Secondly it proably the house after his last recorded cencus. Eather a gang killing or a meth up psyco killer.

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Jfatala2 said:

YET ANOTHER COVERUP BY THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION, THIS GUY WAS PROBABLY MURDERED BY SOME OF OBAMA'S ISLAMO FRIENDS AND NOW OBAMA HAS ORDERED A COVER UP.

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(can't be sure if that one's being serious or not)

Fran Platt said:

Even if they're right & this guy really did manage somehow to truss himself up & commit suicide, I'd be willing to bet that we'll see some real murders of Census workers in 2010 by white supremacist wingnuts who are paranoid that the Obama boogeyman is coming to take their gun collections away.

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ForrestFreedman said:

Another government cover-up...how stupid do they think we really are...I guess they think a majority is really stupid...because a majority elected President Obama-nation.

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Good god, don't read the comments. There is nothing of value there.

Krisken said:

Good god, don't read the comments. There is nothing of value there.

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Well, it does give you a smug sense of superiority.

If this version is proven to be true, will it cause me to apologize to Bachmann, Beck, or their fans/supporters? NO FUCKING WAY. Because they are still talking violence against a duly elected government and it's representatives.

DarkAudit said:

If this version is proven to be true, will it cause me to apologize to Bachmann, Beck, or their fans/supporters? NO FUCKING WAY. Because they are still talking violence against a duly elected government and it's representatives.

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I'm not sure, but I think the police have pretty much closed the case with this press release.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091124/ap_on_re_us/us_census_worker_hanged

This story lists more of the evidence that it was suicide.

All he had to do was stand up to remain alive.

I hardly read the Yahoo comments any more. My head hurts from all the off the wall comments.

The only thing I'm waiting for is how he tied his hands with the duct tape. It's the only thing I have trouble with. Other than that, I can easily see all the connections on how this could be a suicide.

If it is, it's just another sad example of people causing fear where it shouldn't be. Just like the crazy girl who carved into herself and blamed Obama supporters. Not cool no matter who does it.

Evidence? Dude was listening to an INXS cd and carrying a David Carradine fan club card on him. What more evidence do you need?

Krisken said:

The only thing I'm waiting for is how he tied his hands with the duct tape. It's the only thing I have trouble with. Other than that, I can easily see all the connections on how this could be a suicide.

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Taping your hands together isn't all that hard. I decided to make a video of it so to point people towards when they start claiming that the tape is proof of some kind of conspiracy.

So here you can see me in all of my awkward glory:

DarkAudit said:

If this version is proven to be true, will it cause me to apologize to Bachmann, Beck, or their fans/supporters? NO FUCKING WAY. Because they are still talking violence against a duly elected government and it's representatives.

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Waiting for evidence supporting this claim.

While fun to watch Soliliquy, it leaves me with one thing to ask- did police find the roll of tape by the body (or still attached). I'm pretty well convinced it's a suicide now.


Armadillo-


"O’REILLY: Yeah, tax revolt. I think people, when they figure out how badly they’re going to get hurt in the next few years, there’s going to be a tea party on taxes and its gonna get nasty. Nancy Pelosi’s going to be bobbing up and down in the Boston Harbor."

Limbaugh Dreams of riots in Denver


Beck

Definitely classy!

Certainly not classy, but hardly a serious threat against either President Obama or any other leader. As I've stated before, Beck always calls for any protests or "revolutions" to be non-violent in nature, and has stated that one of his greatest fears is that someone's "going to do something stupid."

You didn't ask for a serious threat. You asked for proof of violent rhetoric from those figures.

Plenty of people have said "I mean no violence" while spouting rhetoric designed to cause violence.

Armadillo, are you really that dense? When Bachmann tells people that if they fill out the census, they'll end up in internment camps, just what the smurf do you expect to happen? Census workers met with unicorns and rainbows?

DarkAudit said:

Armadillo, are you really that dense? When Bachmann tells people that if they fill out the census, they'll end up in internment camps, just what the smurf do you expect to happen? Census workers met with unicorns and rainbows?

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So how many census workers have been killed by people motivated by Michelle Bachmann?

Armadillo;305037][quote=DarkAudit said:

Armadillo, are you really that dense? When Bachmann tells people that if they fill out the census, they'll end up in internment camps, just what the smurf do you expect to happen? Census workers met with unicorns and rainbows?

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So how many census workers have been killed by people motivated by Michelle Bachmann?[/QUOTE]
How magically obtuse of you.

Krisken;305038][quote=Armadillo;305037][quote=DarkAudit said:

Armadillo, are you really that dense? When Bachmann tells people that if they fill out the census, they'll end up in internment camps, just what the smurf do you expect to happen? Census workers met with unicorns and rainbows?

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So how many census workers have been killed by people motivated by Michelle Bachmann?[/QUOTE]
How magically obtuse of you.[/QUOTE]

How is it obtuse? DA is saying Bachmann and her ilk are encouraging violence against the government in a thread about the dead census worker, the implication being that somehow she's responsible for it. I asked how many workers have been killed because of Bachmann. (The answer is zero, by the way.)

Here's the Bachmann quote for the sake of context:

“If we look at American history -- between 1942 and 1947 -- the data that was collected by the Census Bureau was handed over to the FBI and other organizations at the request of President Roosevelt,” Bachmann said.

“That’s how the Japanese were rounded up and put into the internment camps. I’m not saying that’s what the administration is planning to do. But I am saying that private, personal information that was given to the Census Bureau in the 1940s was used against Americans to round them up.”

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So I guess we're to ignore the bolded part, right?

How many dead cops? At least three. You don't seriously think that idiot in Pittsburgh came up with the "Obama's coming to take my guns away" all on his lonesome, do you?

On second thought, you probably do.

Armadillo;305039][quote=Krisken;305038][quote=Armadillo;305037][quote=DarkAudit said:

Armadillo, are you really that dense? When Bachmann tells people that if they fill out the census, they'll end up in internment camps, just what the smurf do you expect to happen? Census workers met with unicorns and rainbows?

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So how many census workers have been killed by people motivated by Michelle Bachmann?[/quote]
How magically obtuse of you.[/quote]

How is it obtuse? DA is saying Bachmann and her ilk are encouraging violence against the government in a thread about the dead census worker, the implication being that somehow she's responsible for it. I asked how many workers have been killed because of Bachmann. (The answer is zero, by the way.)

Here's the Bachmann quote for the sake of context:

“If we look at American history -- between 1942 and 1947 -- the data that was collected by the Census Bureau was handed over to the FBI and other organizations at the request of President Roosevelt,” Bachmann said.

“That’s how the Japanese were rounded up and put into the internment camps. I’m not saying that’s what the administration is planning to do. But I am saying that private, personal information that was given to the Census Bureau in the 1940s was used against Americans to round them up.”

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Since when does violent rhetoric mean "kill"??? Since when does the rhetoric have to be perpetrated against "officials" to be considered violent? This is why i called you "obtuse". You're being intentionally ignorant.

And to say "well, she said she's NOT saying that" is just being obtuse. it's like trying to say "well, he says he's not having an affair, so he must not be!" It's ridiculous and childish to not look at the words and rhetoric and see who they are being aimed at and what they are trying to say with those words.

I know for a fact my mom doesn't watch Fox, but she still thinks that the reason the prices on guns and ammunition have risen is because of Obama. She is sure that he is out to take our guns away. She even told me to buy as many guns as I can.

I'm not trying to defend what Fox does, because I don't agree with them. I don't think Fox isn't the problem though. They aren't helping anything, but they have no obligation to do so.

Shakey said:

I know for a fact my mom doesn't watch Fox, but she still thinks that the reason the prices on guns and ammunition have risen is because of Obama.

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In a way, she is right: The irrational idea that he would somehow, magically be able to disarm the American public within 8 years IS what drove up the prices on guns and ammunition. Ammo is especially hard to find because people keep buying it whenever a new shipment comes in. I've heard that some police departments are facing shortages because of this.

AshburnerX;305047][quote=Shakey said:

I know for a fact my mom doesn't watch Fox, but she still thinks that the reason the prices on guns and ammunition have risen is because of Obama.

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In a way, she is right: The irrational idea that he would somehow, magically be able to disarm the American public within 8 years IS what drove up the prices on guns and ammunition. Ammo is especially hard to find because people keep buying it whenever a new shipment comes in. I've heard that some police departments are facing shortages because of this.[/QUOTE]

I agree. The problem is that she thinks that it's Obama's doing rather than the irrational fear of the masses.

Want no gubbermint interference? Move to frickin' Somalia.

North_Ranger said:

Want no gubbermint interference? Move to frickin' Somalia.

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How about LESS gubbermint interference?

None of us are anarchists, for the love of Pete.

I know. I just thought the skinny cow and her cronies might like it better there.

Seriously, my brain bleeds every time I watch one of those Fox News shows that paint any form of centralized government as picking up the KY Jelly for a thorough ass-shagging of the nation.

And that's my €0.02. Toodles.

BTW, I'm taking the test to work for the Census Bureau while I go to school... There are some wingnuts up here, I don't know if I should be worried or not.

North_Ranger said:

I know. I just thought the skinny cow and her cronies might like it better there.

Seriously, my brain bleeds every time I watch one of those Fox News shows that paint any form of centralized government as picking up the KY Jelly for a thorough ass-shagging of the nation.

And that's my €0.02. Toodles.

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Knowing that those same assholes were the ones who walked around saying, "if you've got nothing to hide, you have nothing to worry about" and calling critics terrorist-sympathizers and America-haters while the Patriot Act got passed pisses me off even more.