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Mar 13, 2014#1

Gryfter

NBC's Constantine revealed

Well he certainly looks like JC.... we shall see if they can pull it off though. Speculation suggests he won't smoke though... cause smokin' is bad.....m'kay.

Mar 13, 2014#2

Dave

Huh. I had no idea they would be doing this. Are they going to ruin it like they did the Dresden Files?

Mar 13, 2014#3

ThatNickGuy

If he doesn't smoke, how are they going to do the lung cancer storyline that was the bees knees?

But yeah, love the look. Let's hope the rest works. I'm not filled with hope, since David Goyer is involved.

Mar 13, 2014#4

Cog

Maybe another kind of cancer?

Mar 13, 2014#5

Dave

Cog said:
Maybe another kind of cancer?

I don't know. I think it would be a good thing for them to show the negative effects of smoking. I mean, Constantine isn't exactly a role model.

Mar 13, 2014#6

Krisken

Dave said:
I don't know. I think it would be a good thing for them to show the negative effects of smoking. I mean, Constantine isn't exactly a role model.

Yeah, but after getting new lungs, he kinda lights a cigarette.

Mar 13, 2014#7

ThatNickGuy

Krisken said:
Yeah, but after getting new lungs, he kinda lights a cigarette.

Which says pretty much everything about him, really. New lease on life? Sod it. Let's smoke.

Mar 13, 2014#8

Dave

New lungs, same addiction.

Mar 13, 2014#9

Krisken

Dave said:
New lungs, same asshole.

Mar 13, 2014#10

Tress

So I see the thread title and think, "A Constantine show! Awesome! I wonder if it's on AMC, or HBO, or Netflix, or..."

"Oh. It's on NBC."

...

"I'll pass."

Mar 13, 2014#11

Hailey Knight

I'll give it a chance.

Mar 13, 2014#12

Gryfter

Tress said:
So I see the thread title and think, "A Constantine show! Awesome! I wonder if it's on AMC, or HBO, or Netflix, or..."

"Oh. It's on NBC."

...

"I'll pass."

I dunno... Dracula was pretty crazy and fun and that was NBC. Not saying it's going to be good... just that NBC isn't necessarily a death knell.

Mar 13, 2014#13

Hailey Knight

If it's good, they'll try to kill it.

Mar 13, 2014#14

Tiger Tsang

Zero Esc said:
If it's good, they'll try to kill it.

But it's ConJob, he's pretty farking hard to kill.

Just ask Lucifer!

Mar 13, 2014#15

Gilgamesh

Wait are we saying that NBC = Fox now? At least stuff like Heroes gets a few seasons and if it is good and does well, it'll keep going. I would have been more worried if this was premiering on Fox.

The real question is what idiot thought a mature rated and dark comic series like Constantine should be put on the -Think of the Children- channel.

Mar 13, 2014#16

Frank

NBC airs Hannibal. That should alleviate a lot of concerns about content.

Mar 13, 2014#17

Hailey Knight

Yeah, I'm amazed at what they've gotten away with on Hannibal.

Mar 15, 2014#18

Bowielee

Nope.

Hellblazer, like its cohort Swamp Thing, is one of those comics that I liked so much that I don't think that I'll ever like any adaptation of them to other media. Same with Animal Man.

Jun 9, 2014#19

evilmike

New Trailer

Also,

Jun 9, 2014#20

Bowielee

I'll say that I'm intrigued, but I'm still worried that they won't let him be as much of a bastard as he's supposed to be.

Jun 9, 2014#21

WasabiPoptart

I really, really want this to be good.

Jun 29, 2014#22

filmfanatic

Looks like even though NBC is open to having some pretty dark stuff, the one thing you won't see John Constantine do in this series is smoke.

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/JoshWildingNewsAndReviews/news/?a=102748

Jun 29, 2014#23

Hailey Knight

filmfanatic said:
Looks like even though NBC is open to having some pretty dark stuff, the one thing you won't see John Constantine do in this series is smoke.

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/JoshWildingNewsAndReviews/news/?a=102748

Sounds like they really wanted it, but even though you can have gore and violence, no smoking.

It's stupid.

Jun 29, 2014#24

Dave

The cancer was part of who he WAS! And they didn't sugar coat it as "smoking is cool", they made it more "smoking gives you cancer and fucking kills you".

Jun 29, 2014#25

Hailey Knight

The only way I can think to get that angle is if he's quit at this point, but it's too late and he already has cancer, so time to cook meth.

Jun 29, 2014#26

PatrThom

Smoking: It's worse than cutting a deal with Lucifer himself.

--Patrick

Jun 29, 2014#27

ThatNickGuy

Well, it's not really Constantine then, is it?

Fuck you, NBC.

Jun 29, 2014#28

Hailey Knight

Would the FCC fine them over it?

Oct 27, 2014#29

Fun Size

Mighty quiet around here...

Okay, I'll go. To be clear, I liked the comics, but I'm not a hard core fan (I'm personally of the opinion that too often Ennis just feels like he's trying for shocking that doesn't actually drive the story forward). That said, this was interesting. Good effects. Didn't feel too constrained for television. Reasonably scary when it was supposed to be. And the guy playing Constantine...I know some people are up in arms over the accent, but man did he feel like Constantine. I mean, he's no Keanu, but still, really good. :troll:

I'll be curious to see how it proceeds.

Oct 27, 2014#30

Gryfter

Saw it, liked Matt Ryan I think he captures the character well. Liked the tone, and happy that the back story seems intact. I will be looking forward to future episodes.

Oct 27, 2014#31

Dave

I just watched the pilot last night and liked it. I'm a big fan of the movie and went into this wondering if I'd like it.

I'll give it a few weeks to see if it goes the way of the Dresden Files TV show, which was a train wreck.

Oct 29, 2014#32

Bowielee

Does anyone else feel like they have posts disappearing? I could have swore that I commented on this show...

Maybe it was a different thread...

Oct 29, 2014#33

Fun Size

I think it was the "last tv show you watched" thread.

Oct 29, 2014#34

Covar

Watched it last night. It was fine. Nothing outstanding, but good enough to keep watching it for the time being.

Oct 29, 2014#35

fade

I've been wondering about this show. I enjoyed the movie (gasp!). Even though it got a lot of things wrong, it still was an entertaining movie. Sounds like it's okay, so I'll give it a try.

Oct 29, 2014#36

Bowielee

Covar said:
Watched it last night. It was fine. Nothing outstanding, but good enough to keep watching it for the time being.

This is pretty much my feeling on the show.

Oct 29, 2014#37

Null

Yeah the pilot showed promise as a supernatural detective drama, so we'll see how it develops.

Oct 31, 2014#38

Gryfter

Oct 31, 2014#39

Bowielee

Gryfter said:

That was pretty damn awesome.

Oct 31, 2014#40

Covar

Well at least the good doctor managed to break John of his smoking habit.

Oct 31, 2014#41

Bowielee

He still smokes in the show, they just can't actually show him smoking.

Oct 31, 2014#42

Bowielee

I kind of liked the show tonight. I feel like the character IS John Constantine from the comics, but I feel like it needs to be so much darker than it can get on network TV.

Early prediction, 2-3 seasons, tops.

Nov 1, 2014#43

Null

Strong second episode. If it was on FX or SyFy or AMC I think it would be free to be a little better, a little darker, but it's off to a strong start. If the writing and acting stay as strong as they've been, this show could have a successful run.

Nov 2, 2014#44

Chad Sexington

Bowielee said:
He still smokes in the show, they just can't actually show him smoking.

Are they actually not allowed to? Good lord.

Nov 2, 2014#45

Bowielee

Chad Sexington said:
Are they actually not allowed to? Good lord.

Yup, they basically have to work around it. A lot of scenes where someone else is coming in and he's just snubbing out a cigarette, or about to light one, but gets interrupted, shots behind the back where he's just finishing one.

Nov 2, 2014#46

Covar

Chad Sexington said:
Are they actually not allowed to? Good lord.

Because it's on broadcast television and not cable. People smoking haven't been allowed on Broadcast television for quite a while now. Pretty big change from the days of cigarette sponsored cartoons.

Nov 2, 2014#47

Chad Sexington

Covar said:
Because it's on broadcast television and not cable. People smoking haven't been allowed on Broadcast television for quite a while now. Pretty big change from the days of cigarette sponsored cartoons.

It can't even have been that long. I mean, the Cigarette Smoking Man from the X-Files was only... 12 years ago...

Nov 2, 2014#48

Ravenpoe

Nov 2, 2014#49

Bowielee

I don't know if the smoking ban is a legal thing, or if it's a network mandate. I'd lean towards the latter. I don't think the same would apply to Fox. I think that characters on Family Guy and American Dad have smoked recently, though American Dad isn't on Fox anymore, and rules for animated smoking may be different.

Nov 2, 2014#50

Dave

It's actually not illegal to show smoking on TV, but they take so much crap for it by anti-smoking activists that they choose not to go through the headache.

I'm trying to find the link where I read this but for some reason it's eluding me.[DOUBLEPOST=1414993605,1414993545][/DOUBLEPOST]http://screenrant.com/constantine-tv-series-smoking/[DOUBLEPOST=1414993695][/DOUBLEPOST]http://screenrant.com/constantine-tv-show-no-smoking/

Nov 3, 2014#51

Bowielee

I give credit to the shows creators that they're at least doing what they can to incorporate it, especially because if they at least keep it in the show that he DOES smoke, it leaves it open to his whole deal with the devil power play when he develops cancer.

Nov 3, 2014#52

Gryfter

I actually think they are doing a great job with the smoking thing. It sucks the network won't let them just show it but they are making it clear he is a smoker.

Nov 26, 2014#53

Dave

http://deadline.com/2014/11/constantine-stop-production-13-episodes-season-1-nbc-1201294518/

Damn, damn, damn it!!!

Nov 26, 2014#54

Krisken

NBC, you suck.

Nov 26, 2014#55

Hailey Knight

It's not over yet. The show isn't cancelled; NBC is just hedging their bets to see if the first season gets decent ratings. One of the links on that article begins with saying that the ratings are rising.

Nov 26, 2014#56

Dave

Zero Esc said:
It's not over yet. The show isn't cancelled; NBC is just hedging their bets to see if the first season gets decent ratings. One of the links on that article begins with saying that the ratings are rising.

But they also aren't making any new shows. They've totally stopped production.

Nov 28, 2014#57

AshburnerX

Dave said:
But they also aren't making any new shows. They've totally stopped production.

It's not uncommon for shows to get a short first season, especially if it's a new genre for the network. Considering how late Constantine started and the amount of effort they've put behind getting it aimed at the right audience (it's getting a marathon on SyFy this weekend and they have been pushing it hard on Hulu, as well as doing stuff with it during the Thanksgiving Day Parade), it's a fair chance they just want to get some kind of data at this point.

It's not a sure thing, but it's far from dead.

Dec 20, 2014#58

filmfanatic

Constantine may be getting a second chance, considering that it will not only be back on the air in January, but it will also be at a new time slot of 8 PM on Fridays.

Dec 20, 2014#59

Steve

Krisken said:
NBC, you suck.

I've never forgiven NBC for cancelling "Freaks and Geeks" after the first season.

Dec 30, 2014#60

Bowielee

Now that I'm on winter break I got a chance to catch up. I liked their interpretation of the first issue of Hellblazer. It's good to see that they are trying to stick with the source material. It also seems like they just said screw it with the smoking and moved it to being limited instead of fully hidden. I know him smoking seems like a stupid thing to worry about, but his main storyline he's remembered for involves his cancer and chain smoking.

Dec 30, 2014#61

Chad Sexington

That episode... with the kids who are possessed.

Kids cannot act. ARGH[DOUBLEPOST=1419976185,1419976147][/DOUBLEPOST]Also this is compounded by the fact that adults cannot write for kids.

Dec 30, 2014#62

Hailey Knight

Chad Sexington said:
That episode... with the kids who are possessed.

Kids cannot act. ARGH[DOUBLEPOST=1419976185,1419976147][/DOUBLEPOST]Also this is compounded by the fact that adults cannot write for kids.

Not universally true, but it probably takes actually remembering being a kid and what that was like.

Dec 30, 2014#63

Chad Sexington

Zero Esc said:
Not universally true, but it probably takes actually remembering being a kid and what that was like.

Well, I don't remember being a kid, but I have been around enough kids that I know that 99% of the lines and behaviours in TV shows and movies are just... not what kids do/are like.

Dec 31, 2014#64

Bowielee

Honestly, the girl in Little Miss Sunshine, as bizarre as that movie was and her lines seemed weird, seemed to be the most accurate portrayal of actual children. Precocious, but not too much. Hell Wednesday Addams in the movies was written better than most child characters.

Dec 31, 2014#65

Chad Sexington

Bowielee said:
Honestly, the girl in Little Miss Sunshine, as bizarre as that movie was and her lines seemed weird, seemed to be the most accurate portrayal of actual children. Precocious, but not too much. Hell Wednesday Addams in the movies was written better than most child characters.

The Addams, of course, were the most normal family on television: Gomez and Morticia slept in the same bed.

Dec 31, 2014#66

fade

the girl in the first Crow movie was pretty well written.

Dec 31, 2014#67

PatrThom

Chad Sexington said:
The Addams, of course, were the most normal family on television: Gomez and Morticia slept in the same bed.

So did Herman and Lily Munster, if I recall.
Addams Family still ranks as best fictional couple of all time.

--Patrick

Dec 31, 2014#68

Chad Sexington

PatrThom said:
So did Herman and Lily Munster, if I recall.
Addams Family still ranks as best fictional couple of all time.

--Patrick

Yeah, I think the Munsters were the first, and the Addams the second.

Dec 31, 2014#69

AshburnerX

Chad Sexington said:
Yeah, I think the Munsters were the first, and the Addams the second.

The Addams Family started 6 days before The Munsters, but it was literally the same week.

Jan 4, 2015#70

Ravenpoe

Gomez and Morticia were a married couple that were still passionately in love and sexually attracted to their partner.

Those freaks.

Jan 5, 2015#71

AshburnerX

Ravenpoe said:
Gomez and Morticia were a married couple that were still passionately in love and sexually attracted to their partner.

Those freaks.

And they showed nothing but positive regard to EVERYONE. It's super creepy.

Mar 8, 2015#72

Bowielee

So, the fate of Constantine is up in the air. They will not be making any further episodes for the current season, the creators are pitching for a second season, so it may get a chance.

I hope it gets renewed because I feel like it was starting to pick up and they have started introducing more of the standard DC mystical characters like Felix Faust, the Spectre, and Eclipso. I'd like to see them be able to get to characters like Deadman.

It most certainly is the most accurate of John Constantine so far outside of the comics.

It's kind of ironic that while most of DC is getting too dark, this isn't dark enough

Mar 8, 2015#73

filmfanatic

Bowielee said:
So, the fate of Constantine is up in the air. They will not be making any further episodes for the current season, the creators are pitching for a second season, so it may get a chance.

I hope it gets renewed because I feel like it was starting to pick up and they have started introducing more of the standard DC mystical characters like Felix Faust, the Spectre, and Eclipso. I'd like to see them be able to get to characters like Deadman.

It most certainly is the most accurate of John Constantine so far outside of the comics.

It's kind of ironic that while most of DC is getting too dark, this isn't dark enough

Word is that Constantine might get another chance over at SyFy.

Mar 8, 2015#74

Bowielee

filmfanatic said:
Word is that Constantine might get another chance over at SyFy.

That rumor turned out to be just that, a rumor.

There is a huge social media push to get it renewed, so fingers crossed.

Mar 8, 2015#75

filmfanatic

Bowielee said:
That rumor turned out to be just that, a rumor.

There is a huge social media push to get it renewed, so fingers crossed.

I didn't know it was disproved. Thanks for the head's-up.

Mar 8, 2015#76

AshburnerX

It would probably pull in a better viewership on SyFy, where it's in less competition for a prime spot. Then again, it's basically guaranteed a cancellation after 5 years there. SyFy doesn't "do" contract renegotiation.

May 8, 2015#77

Gryfter

Sonofa.....

http://variety.com/2015/tv/news/constantine-cancelled-nbc-season-2-1201491096/

Here's hoping it gets picked up by someone else....

May 8, 2015#78

Bowielee

Gryfter said:
Sonofa.....

http://variety.com/2015/tv/news/constantine-cancelled-nbc-season-2-1201491096/

Here's hoping it gets picked up by someone else....

I was really hoping when I saw this in my updates that it was the opposite. Maybe a cable network will pick it up so it can be even darker. Hell, maybe Netflix will grab it. I don't think that their deal with Marvel means that they are exclusive. They still have a bunch of the DC/WB cartoon stuff up there.

May 9, 2015#79

Hailey Knight

Maybe NBC will stop trying and just give all their shows to Netflix.

May 9, 2015#80

Dave

Netflix would at least let him smoke.

May 11, 2015#81

Fun Size

At first I was bummed, but the more I think about it, the less I care. I liked the actor as Constantine, but wasn't enjoying the standard
"monster of the week" platform. It was good when it was dealing with the big story, but in the end it lacked the teeth I wanted from it.

On the bright side, at least we're getting a Lucifer show.

...

No just kidding. It's still going to be a police procedural. How long until the next Marvel show on Netflix?

May 11, 2015#82

Hailey Knight

Fun Size said:
On the bright side, at least we're getting a Lucifer show.

...

No just kidding. It's still going to be a police procedural. How long until the next Marvel show on Netflix?

They get the rights to a comic series that rivals The Sandman in imagination and storytelling on a cosmic scale ... and completely waste it. I wish I hadn't looked this up after seeing your post, because everything about this show looks fucking stupid.

May 12, 2015#83

Fun Size

I think what's funniest (because you either choose that or sadness) is that the networks fail to recognize what makes so many of the current genre shows so damned popular: they put themselves out there with an idea that no one has seen before. Breaking Bad, Daredevil, Orange is the New Black, Penny Dreadful, even Battlestar Galactica. Instead, they get the rights to something like no one has ever seen, and they immediately turn it into a police show, one of the most cliched choices they could have made.

"This Fall, based on the acclaimed and beloved comic book series, it's CSI: Damnation."

May 12, 2015#84

@Li3n

Fun Size said:
At first I was bummed, but the more I think about it, the less I care. I liked the actor as Constantine, but wasn't enjoying the standard
"monster of the week" platform. It was good when it was dealing with the big story, but in the end it lacked the teeth I wanted from it.

Yeah, it's not like any show has ever gotten better after the first season, after finding it's footing.

And on an unrelated note, he's a random picture:

And one more:

May 12, 2015#85

Fun Size

@Li3n said:
Yeah, it's not like any show has ever gotten better after the first season, after finding it's footing.

Fair enough, but I still don't believe that NBC would be willing to take enough of a chance to let it go where it should have. I will absolutely watch it if someone else picks it up and continues it.

May 12, 2015#86

@Li3n

Go go netflix...

May 12, 2015#87

PatrThom

@Li3n said:
Yeah, it's not like any show has ever gotten better after the first season, after finding it's footing.

And on an unrelated note, he's a random picture:

And one more:

I don't think the beard was the secret to TNG's success, I think it was more the fact that they finally found a direction.
And commander Sinclair had his own role to play in the plot, and he was suited for it.

--Patrick

May 12, 2015#88

@Li3n

PatrThom said:
I don't think the beard was the secret to TNG's success
--Patrick

LIES... having a beard totally made every single story better by just being there... if Riker had no beard all those stories we loved from TNG would have sucked instead... BECAUSE BEARD!!!

Hint: those events coincide with the shows getting better, no one thinks they caused the improvement.

Also, i forgot how weird Riker looks clean shaven...

Aug 11, 2015#89

evilmike

Aug 11, 2015#90

Bowielee

I literally got goosebumps.

And I mean literally literally, not figuratively literally.

Aug 11, 2015#91

AshburnerX

So... I gotta watch Arrow now? *sigh*

Aug 11, 2015#92

Gryfter

I'll take it! Matt Ryan was the best thing about Constantine and he should guest appear as him on all the DCTV shows.

AshburnerX said:
So... I gotta watch Arrow now? *sigh*

Just Laurel it..... meaning fast forward through any scenes with Laurel (or any side character you don't like) in them. The plot lines are pretty simple and lose nothing from this method.

Aug 11, 2015#93

Bowielee

Eh, I'm fine with Laurel, though I agree she can grate at times, but it's not nearly as bad as that bratty little sister.

WAAAAAAHHHHHHHH QUIT LYING TO ME.... WAAAAAAHHHHHHHH....
OK, here's what we've done
WAAAAAAHHHHHHH YOU'RE TERRIBLE PEOPLE... WAAAAAAHHHHH

Aug 13, 2015#94

fade

Kids, kids. You're both right.

Jan 8, 2017#95

PatrThom

What.

--Patrick

Jan 8, 2017#96

Krisken

I was so excited. Then I found out it was animated. Then I found out they were so short. Now I'm sad.

Jan 8, 2017#97

AshburnerX

*Shrug* Can't be any worse than his portrayal on JLA Action!

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