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Well, Microsoft's press conference is going so far. Nintendo and Sony tomorrow.

What are we expecting? What looks cool?

Apparently the big news of the day is that Project Natal is now known as "Kinect", which I'm sure is some bastard child of kinetics and connect.

Has there been an official announcement on the rumored Xbox 360 "slim" with redesigned case and built-in WiFi?

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Ahahahahaha! Spoony is going to have an aneurysm, FMV gaming is back!

Haven't heard anything official yet regarding that.

Announcement during Microsoft's press conference: Metal Gear Solid: Rising

I've also seen a Playstation Move trailer featuring archery, golf, ping pong, sword play, and boxing that looks really familiar...

figmentPez said:

Has there been an official announcement on the rumored Xbox 360 "slim" with redesigned case and built-in WiFi?

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Yes, and it's actually called the XBox 360 slim, which will also have built-in support for the Kinect and a 250 GB hard disk. If you don't get the new Slim, you'll need a separate power supply to run the Kinect system (I hope it comes with it?).

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Also, I saw the Star Wars Kinect trailer, and it definitely appeared to be a waggle-control title (i.e. not 1 to 1 motion gameplay, but wiggle your hands to do this move, and shift here to do this move, etc). I just don't see how Kinect is going to work well without reliable feedback or a control source.

That Metal Gear Solid trailer was pretty cool. Gameplay doesn't look remotely like what they had in previous games, but I approve of a game, at least conceptually, based on Raiden cutting things up with his sword.

Come on, new Zelda game.

Apparently Microsoft disabled the comments for their live conference feed, due to all the negative feedback it was generating. I don't think Microsoft's existing market share was much a fan of the focus of their E3.

So Ubisoft just announced an all new 2-D (hand drawn) side-scrolling Rayman game at their keynote. Just Rayman, no Rabbids.




And just in keeping with the' great looking 2D games' theme I've got here, watch this trailer for Dust: An Elysian Tail:



Made by one guy, BTW.


Also, here's a trailer for Child of Eden, a new game from Tetsuya Mizuguchi, the man who made Rez and Lumines:

http://e3.gamespot.com/video/6265343/

edzepp said:

And just in keeping with the' great looking 2D games' theme I've got here, watch this trailer for Dust: An Elysian Tail:



Made by one guy, BTW.

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I will have to keep a very close eye on that game.

The Last Guardian and the new Zelda are top on my list of games I'm anticipating at E3.

In MMO-land, looking forward to more info on SW:TOR and FFXIV as well.

The Microsoft presser watched just like Nintendo's in 2006. Kinect's games are just fucking HD Wii games.

Frank said:

The Microsoft presser watched just like Nintendo's in 2006. Kinect's games are just fucking HD Wii games.

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They are? Where's the Kinect controller, then?

ThatNickGuy;399675][QUOTE=Frank said:

The Microsoft presser watched just like Nintendo's in 2006. Kinect's games are just fucking HD Wii games.

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They are? Where's the Kinect controller, then?[/QUOTE]

Because driving with a pretend steering wheel is so different than driving with a plastic wheel.

Piotyr;399705][QUOTE=ThatNickGuy;399675][QUOTE=Frank said:

The Microsoft presser watched just like Nintendo's in 2006. Kinect's games are just fucking HD Wii games.

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They are? Where's the Kinect controller, then?[/QUOTE]

Because driving with a pretend steering wheel is so different than driving with a plastic wheel.[/QUOTE]

Not to mention the Wii games didn't require buying a 100-150 dollar peripheral.

That Dust game looks really awesome.

Oddbot said:

The Last Guardian and the new Zelda are top on my list of games I'm anticipating at E3.

In MMO-land, looking forward to more info on SW:TOR and FFXIV as well.

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Any new Zelda game is always at the top of my list

If you are interested, you can watch Nintendo's conference online here: http://e3.nintendo.com/

I really want Miyamoto's T-shirt.

Oh how I wish I could watch the conference but sadly i am at work and for some strange reason I think they may frown on my doing that

E3 2010, the year of blaming the crowd for the stage issues.

That MASSIVE Wiimote HUD in Zelda better not be there in the final. That is fucking nuts.

Reggie, Wii sells Nintendo games, REGGIENOMICS!

OH SHIT GUYS, I shit you not, A WII MINIGAME COLLECTION COMING FROM NINTENDO! USING YOUR MII!

Ahh, Zelda, new interface to do the exact same shit they've put out since the 64 Zeldas.

Miyamoto had some serious issues with control on the stage, but the trailer showed off what he was trying to do, at least.

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Haha, Mario dodgeball.

That Golden Eye game actually gave me eye AIDS. The God damn PSP is capable of better visuals.

Seriously though, is anyone going to be happy with that game? It's only been 14 years since the original. The genre has evolved by insane leaps and bounds since then. No one is going to purchase that game and not leave it disappointed.

WARREN SPECTOR! EEEH! Show me some rad shit Warren, save me from this swarm of mediocrity.

I think they're really banking on the good memories of the N64 game on that one. Almost like they tried to make it look the same.

Epic Mickey is by crazy leaps and bounds the coolest looking game shown so far.

Love the art style on that Kirby game. It's adorable.

............Kirby?

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Man, I don't know, most people seem to not give two shits about Dragon Quest or about handheld multiplayer on this side of the pond.

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Apparently Wii controls are the NEXT LEVEL of game control.

Go fuck yourself Reggie.

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YAY, thanks Nintendo stream for crashing my browser just as the 3DS stuff is about to be shown.

http://e3.gamespot.com/press-conference/nintendo-e3/?tag=content_nav;video;nintendo

Wow! 3D photos!

I want to know if the 3D effect is real or nooooooooooot

The new Kid Icarus game sounds cool but sadly I must admit I never played the original.

You really didn't miss out. It's easily one of Nintendo's worst games.

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How much is this thing going to cost?

How can there be a 3D screen without glasses if there are no non-glasses TVs? Maybe the trick is that you are always looking from the front here?

I am a terrible person because I giggled everytime that guy tried to say "without Glasses". Oh Asian accent.

Also, the 3d without glasses thing is possible I'm pretty sure, but it also would be extremely expensive on a full size TV. (I also think it's perspective dependent)

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I laughed when all those women with 3DSes chained to their belts came out too. But I wish I could be there to actually see the 3DS, not gonna lie.

I think half of the games press in the room's first thought was, "All I have to do to get a 3DS is kidnap an attractive girl."

tegid said:

How can there be a 3D screen without glasses if there are no non-glasses TVs?

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There are non-glasses TVs, they're just not as common. Also, it's easier to do non-glasses tech on smaller screens.

Sony's Presser so far has been....well...shitty. Montage videos are boooooring.

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Kinect looks like crap, Move looks like crap.

OH GOD, another infomercial about how awesome motion controls are.

JESUS CHRIST.

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Thank God for that. Games will still have traditional controls. Just mentioned that Bluray allows for both versions of games on their disc space. Fuck Move in it's soon to be failure ass.

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This Sorcery game looks pretty neat, I guess.

If they'd managed to snag the Harry Potter license for it, I'd imagine it would make legions of kid's pants wet.

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Man, there is nothing more riveting than a golf game demonstration.

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OH SHI!

Kevin mother fucking Butler.

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Man, anytime anything interesting happens, I lose my stream. Fuck.

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FUCK, these motion control horse shits are EXPENSIVE.

130 bucks for a full move package (I think includes a game) and 150 for Kinect?

Fuck off both of you.

Little Big Planet 2 looks. Fucking. Awesome.

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Like, I mean, really unbelievable.

OH SHIT, CHARGING FOR PSN Plus? Good will from LBP2, GONE!

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WHOA, Sony has Valve!

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PS3 hater Gabe Fucking Newell himself.

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Portal 2....LOOKS AWESOME.

Cross platform play between PS3 and PC for Portal 2? Cool, I might get to play with my cousin.
EDIT: Maybe no cross platform after all. Damn you console makers!

Well, my take from the big 3's pressers are as follows:

- Kinect and Move both look lame as hell with ridiculous price tags to boot.
- 3DS looks fucking sweet, but I'll hold my breath until a price is listed. The 3D/2D slider feature has sold me.
- I couldn't give two shits about 3D in general.
- Epic Mickey will hopefully be super rad.
- Portal 2 will hopefully be super rad.
- Little Big Planet 2 will hopefully be super rad.
- I want more games like MGS4 and less like Raiden's slashy adventure
- Zelda fans will play the same God damn game over and over and over and over again.
- Now that the new 360 model has all the same features as a PS3, I'll probably buy the new one. Built in wifi was a killer for me and them making it quiet as all get out doesn't hurt either. Though I may wait a bit and see how well they hold up.
- I don't think many people have actually played Kid Icarus, or at least have very rose coloured glasses on. It fucking sucked ass.
- I can't even imagine how much money Sony gave Valve to get Newell on stage.

Frank said:

- 3DS looks fucking sweet, but I'll hold my breath until a price is listed. The 3D/2D slider feature has sold me.

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I was excited too, until I read the specs on the resolution:
3.52 inch widescreen display / 800x240 resolution, which is used as 400x240 x2 during 3D mode.

While a full 480p resolution was a bit much to hope for, that's still pretty stinking low. It should have been 1280x360 / 640x360 at least. I'm really tired of jaggies in games.

Whoa, that is really low. That's a shame. Though all the first impressions throughout the internet are seemingly positive so far.

Well Nintendo tends to go for affordability at the expense of flashiness, so I guess it depends on pricepoint.

I wasn't really interested in the 3DS before but now I want one. I've only watched Nintendo's conference so far but there were a few things I was pretty impressed with and a few things just elicited a resounding meh.

-New Zelda Wii: I preferred Twilight Princess's graphic style much better. Hell, I liked Windwaker much better even. I dunno, but the world just looks sorta...blah. Link's animations looked crappy and unnatural also. Hopefully they're not final. Still it IS a Zelda game, so I'm sure it will have great gameplay like the series has always had.

-Metroid Other M: Graphics are very disappointing when compared to Retro's MP3. You could seriously pass that game off as an Xbox 360 game easy. I don't know what magic technical pixie dust they used to make a Wii game look that good, but Other M just doesn't hold a candle to it. And I thought it was supposed to be a sidescroller. Why are there so many first person parts being shown? I just don't think I'm going to enjoy this one as much as the prime series. It won't be as immersive.

-Epic Mickey: Happy here. This game looks fun.

-Goldeneye: The game looks like complete ass, what the hell?

-Kirby: Looks fun and interesting. Original art style a plus.

-DK Returns: So Retro has gone from the awesome Metroid Prime trilogy to... a new Donkey Kong Country sidescroller. hwell: I really feel like they're talent is being wasted here.

Ok, now for the 3DS. Man I want one of those. That new Kid Icarus game looks fun. Graphics were definitely kicked up a notch as well from the DSi, and as someone who wears actual glasses... I really really hate 3d glasses. But the best part

OCARINA OF TIME IN 3D!!!!!!! :aaahhh:
Nintendo has confirmed it. So excited!

Dei said:

Well Nintendo tends to go for affordability at the expense of flashiness, so I guess it depends on pricepoint.

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Extra resolution isn't solely about flashiness, it plays a big role in functionality of games. A smaller resolution limits the types of games that will play well on the system. Other than that nitpick, you're right. Nintendo will cut whatever corners are necessary in order to reach the right price points, and that's a strategy that's worked especially well for them in the portable marketplace. Doesn't mean I have to like it.

I guess another negative about the 3DS is it's viewing angles. You have to look spot on. Though, this isn't generally an issue, it goes against the social gaming aspect they were pushing with the XL.

Oddbot said:

OCARINA OF TIME IN 3D!!!!!!! :aaahhh:
Nintendo has confirmed it. So excited!

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:aaahhh:

Frank said:

- Zelda fans will play the same God damn game over and over and over and over again.

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Ha ha ha.

Frank;400319][QUOTE=Frank said:

- Zelda fans will play the same God damn game over and over and over and over again.

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Ha ha ha.[/QUOTE]

Sometimes literally. I don't think I can justify buying OoT for a fourth or fifth time.

escushion;400321][QUOTE=Frank;400319][QUOTE=Frank said:

- Zelda fans will play the same God damn game over and over and over and over again.

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Ha ha ha.[/QUOTE]

Sometimes literally. I don't think I can justify buying OoT for a fourth or fifth time.[/QUOTE]


Yeah well, I've only bought it once since I still have my 64 and Oot cart and therefore have no need to buy it's various re-issues.
I don't understand why you would by the same game 4 times.

But this is different. The graphics are completely redone, and well.. it's in 3d. Worth a re-purchase IMO.

Dei;400318][QUOTE=Oddbot said:

OCARINA OF TIME IN 3D!!!!!!! :aaahhh:
Nintendo has confirmed it. So excited!

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:aaahhh:[/QUOTE]


:aaahhh::aaahhh::aaahhh::aaahhh:

I don't care who you are and who you thought you knew you were, Nintendo has won E3.

Zelda's poor demo can be chalked up to technical difficulties, which is unfortunate (Epic Mickey demo had some issues as well), but everything else is gold. So many interesting games.

Kirby's aesthetic is AMAZING.

Oddbot said:

OCARINA OF TIME IN 3D!!!!!!! :aaahhh:
Nintendo has confirmed it. So excited!

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I haven't seen it confirmed yet. Do you have a source? All I can find says the images are from Nintendo, but it's not an announced title.

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edzepp said:

Kirby's aesthetic is AMAZING.

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Wow, that is amazing. Like a video game crossed with some awesome arts and crafts.

figmentPez;400361][QUOTE=Oddbot said:

OCARINA OF TIME IN 3D!!!!!!! :aaahhh:
Nintendo has confirmed it. So excited!

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I haven't seen it confirmed yet. Do you have a source? All I can find says the images are from Nintendo, but it's not an announced title.
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I'm going to have to call this a confirmation: http://twitter.com/nintendoamerica

Warren Spector laying down some Epic Mickey goodness. SO Psyched.

Cool, thanks. I didn't even know NOA had a Twitter feed.

:aaahhh: new Donkey Kong Country, hell yes! :aaahhh:


Please tell me Dave Wise is doing the soundtrack.

Other than the new SWTOR trailer, the rest seems bland.

Remember back in the day, E3 used to blow your mind with the awesome stuff coming in the next 1-2 years being announced? Last two or three years its been so...lack luster.

edzepp said:

I don't care who you are and who you thought you knew you were, Nintendo has won E3.

Zelda's poor demo can be chalked up to technical difficulties, which is unfortunate (Epic Mickey demo had some issues as well), but everything else is gold. So many interesting games.

Kirby's aesthetic is AMAZING.

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Eh, it wasn't hard to top Microsoft's terrible bullshit showing but Sony put up just as much shit I want to play as Nintendo did. Kirby looks pretty, but it's still going to be a Kirby game, baby easy and over in 3 hours. I think LBP2's potential for amazing shit tops pretty much everything I've seen. I'm really stoked for it.

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Mav said:

Other than the new SWTOR trailer, the rest seems bland.

Remember back in the day, E3 used to blow your mind with the awesome stuff coming in the next 1-2 years being announced? Last two or three years its been so...lack luster.

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I'm not sure how a cinematic blows your mind away more than actually showing games, but different strokes. I look forward to the game, but some cinematic isn't going to make me call it the best of anything.

The more I see of Zelda: Skyward Sword, the more I like it. The art style is really cool, and does capture an impressionist feel to my untrained eyes. I'm definitely going to have to pick up a Wii Motion Plus so that I can play this one.

I am really excited about the new Zelda game. But I must say I wish I could have my classic controls back instead of the motion controls but none the less I will be picking the game up the day it comes out. (even if that means I haev to go and buy a Wii Motion Plus to play it)

I was going to buy the new Zelda before I even heard anything about it. Zelda games are fun, and I enjoy having fun.

No HL2:Episode 3.

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No HL2:Episode 3.

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What was Valve's surprise announcement then?

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Doh! Nevermind, it was probably the announcement of Portal 2 on the PS3. They canceled their own Portal 2 event to not steal Sony's thunder. Bleh.

Frank;400319][QUOTE=Frank said:

- Zelda fans will play the same God damn game over and over and over and over again.

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Ha ha ha.[/QUOTE]

still just coming off like this guy:

bhamv3 said:

No HL2:Episode 3.

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It's assumed they'll be doing HL3 (or Episode 3) once Portal 2 hits. Left 4 Dead 2 has content planned for most of next year, and TF2's probably only going to have minor updates for awhile (once Engy update hits anyway).

Marvel VS. Capcom 3 Gameplay from E3:





do. want. NOW!

Frank said:

Well, my take from the big 3's pressers are as follows:

- Kinect and Move both look lame as hell with ridiculous price tags to boot.

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They never gave the price for Kinect, not at the press conference-thing anyway. The $150 is still a rumor, although it's probably not that far off. Considering that, IIRC, Kinect supports up to 4 players even at $150 it's a lot cheaper than Move when you factor in buying all those extra vibra... er, wands.

Kinect's tech still impresses me much more than the Wii-mote or Move. It has a lot more potential going forward, even if now we're stuck with the obvious sports/mini-games for now.

- 3DS looks fucking sweet, but I'll hold my breath until a price is listed. The 3D/2D slider feature has sold me.

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How many different versions of the DS can Nintendo crank out before people get tired of it? Frankly they'll probably be still riding this same pony ten years from now...

- I couldn't give two shits about 3D in general.

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Same here, maybe in another 3-4 years when I need to replace my current TV. Maybe.

- Zelda fans will play the same God damn game over and over and over and over again.

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I would say that this applies to Nintendo fans in general, but then I'd be dismissed as a bitter, old coot. Which may well be a fair assessment, to be honest.

- Now that the new 360 model has all the same features as a PS3, I'll probably buy the new one. Built in wifi was a killer for me and them making it quiet as all get out doesn't hurt either. Though I may wait a bit and see how well they hold up.

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Meh, if you like it, get it. Just get an extended warranty and you'll be fine. When they say it runs quieter I'm hoping that means they have an improved DVD drive, 'cause that 12X DVD drive is the noisiest part on my current 360.

- I can't even imagine how much money Sony gave Valve to get Newell on stage.

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Hell, how much did they pay him to work on the PS3, period?

Wow, I was worried it wouldn't be able to emulate the frantic, crazy nature of the originals, but I wrong. So... so... wrong.

Deadpool FTW. BANG BANG BANG!

KEM said:

How many different versions of the DS can Nintendo crank out before people get tired of it? Frankly they'll probably be still riding this same pony ten years from now...

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Can't tell if this is meant to be sarcasm or not, but this isn't a new version of the DS, it's a whole new console.

KEM said:

How many different versions of the DS can Nintendo crank out before people get tired of it? Frankly they'll probably be still riding this same pony ten years from now...

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Have you seen the specs? The tech jump from DS/DSi to 3DS is like the jump from Playstation to Playstation 2. (A PS3? How many different versions of the PS will Sony crank out before people get tired of it?) This isn't just a DS with a 3D screen, this is a new handheld with significantly more processing power. Definitely on par with a Gamecube, and it's rumored some developers said it trumps the Wii.

Any trailers of anything that doesn't suck come out yet? (other than SWTOR)

Did...did Deadpool just yell "SHORYUKEN!" when doing an uppercut? :shocked:

Jay said:

Any trailers of anything that doesn't suck come out yet? (other than SWTOR)

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I have a radically different definition of suck than you do, so I have no idea. Here's a list of games I thought have been interesting that have been shown at E3. They might end up sucking, but I'm keeping an eye on them.

Portal 2
The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword
Epic Mickey
Professor Layton and the Mask of Miracle
Donkey Kong Country Returns
Red Faction: Armageddon
Wii Party
Little Big Planet 2
Super Scribblenauts
Spider-Man: Shattered Dimensions
Castlevania: Harmony of Despair
Deus Ex: Human Revolution
Rayman Origins
Marvel vs. Capcom 3: Fate of Two Worlds
Mario Sports Mix
DC Universe Online

EDIT: forgot Puzzle Agent

I was actually surprised they announced the NEXT english Layton game, considering Unwound Future hasn't even shipped yet... and Spector's Flute is the next game in the series.

Okay, I've got to admit I find the X-Com trailer to be impressive. When I first heard of the game I thought it was going to be a bland FPS trying to cash-in on a classic name. Now it's clear they're doing a little more than that, but now I'm thinking it might end up being more of a Bioshock-clone, but the art style is promising and the enemies look creepy.

The 1950s look is cool, but are there any tactical elements at all like the old games?

Still dunno why they couldn't have made a squad-oriented tactical action game similar to Ghost Recon, but using X-COM as the setting.

Reboneer;400769][QUOTE=KEM said:

How many different versions of the DS can Nintendo crank out before people get tired of it? Frankly they'll probably be still riding this same pony ten years from now...

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Can't tell if this is meant to be sarcasm or not, but this isn't a new version of the DS, it's a whole new console.[/QUOTE]I stand corrected. I noticed that they had an analog stick, but didn't really look any closer than that.

Although in my defense if one didn't look at the specs how would one be expected to know that this is a new system? It is after all the same basic form factor, the only obvious changes being the aforementioned analog stick and the top screen being a little bigger.

Yeah I hope there is more tactical/squad/research/etc then the trailer lets on because while the theme of X-com is about Aliens and defending against them, it is not 'really' an X-com game just because they slap the label on it.

There's a door at the Nintendo booth labeled "Dr. Andonuts."

WHAT COULD IT BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

I don't know if this trailer was shown at E3, but Trine 2 is looking mighty good:

Aaaaa! The new Xbox 360 Slim turns into Hal 9000 when it dies!

Well, that's what it get for not opening the damn pod-bay doors like I asked...

I have say that is a pretty sexy looking machine. I'm hoping the fact that it runs so quiet means it has a better DVD drive, because I've had as much if not more issues with the DVD drive than I have with the RRoD.

I'm still going to wait to get one to see how it's dependability holds up.

With E3 done with, it seems that Nintendo is the only showing that had real interest for me. Sure, I'll have to get Portal 2 on the PS3 because my PC can't handle it, and I'll probably end up getting the new PSP God of War even though Chains of Olympus hurt my eyes, and Dust looks cool.

But Nintendo rocked it for me. Epic Mickey looks wonderful, I'm always up for a new Zelda even though I'm still playing Spirit Tracks, that new Kirby is first one that's interested me since Kirby Super Star, and goddamn if Pokemon doesn't have me wanting it again. Even with my aggravation with Scribblenauts, they've actually made the new one enticing, with adjectives and--the big one--better controls! A d-pad option? You mean Max will actually do what I want? The only thing left to improve would be trying to put an actual story into it so there's more motive to not simply fuck around with the cool item creation.

figmentPez said:

Aaaaa! The new Xbox 360 Slim turns into Hal 9000 when it dies!

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Will it have WIFI ability? Because everything else ever created has it.

Yeah, it has built in wifi. Fucking finally.

Wait, wait, wait... the 360 did not?

No, you had to buy an adapter separately.

Amazon.com: Xbox 360 Wireless Network Adapter A/B/G Networks Only:…

That's so fucking stupid!

Bravo, Microsoft, you morons...

On an aside, Move and Kinect look dumb as shit. Over-priced, gimmicky peripherals not even necessary to play the games they're for. What are Sony and Microsoft hoping to accomplish? To out-do the Wii? True that the Wii's processing power is lacking and it's not exactly a great console for hardcore games. It's been a big hit across all waves because it's easy to play and inexpensive, like many of your mothers. I own a PS3. It does not need a rig of motion support. Yeah, it's nice that Sony shoe-horned that shit into the regular controller, and I will admit I've caught myself playing a PS2 game and turning the controller one-handed because I've gotten used to it on the Wii. But tacking it on like this is stupid. Better off to just face that Nintendo got there first by being different, and add this stuff into the next gen in 2012.

My sister is really excited about Kinect. She's really excited about Dance Central, because she's a huge fan of So You Think You Can Dance? on TV, and also plays a lot of Rock Band. There's no way that game would work with any other type of controller. I don't know how many other people are going to think $150 is worth spending on one or two games that really take advantage of Kinect, but a lot of people have already spent that kind of money on Rock Band and Guitar Hero controllers.

figmentPez said:

I don't know how many other people are going to think $150 is worth spending on one or two games that really take advantage of Kinect, but a lot of people have already spent that kind of money on Rock Band and Guitar Hero controllers.

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True, but those controllers ONLY work with Rockband/Guitar Hero, and the companies that make the games make profit off of each plastic guitar they sell. What's the 3rd Party's motivation to work around the Kinect, aside from maybe getting some cash from MS to make the game? They don't see any profit from Kinect sales and they are limiting the number of people who can play their game to the people who own one. It's not sound business sense to make games for this, unless you can make them cheaply enough to make up your costs in a few thousand units (which makes it shovelware).

Honestly... it seems like no one understands that the only reason the Wii's motion controls are a big hit is because they are standard kit for every Wii, meaning everyone who owns a Wii can use games that take advantage of them.

Although the Motion Plus has made that a little sticky. I wonder if the new Zelda is going to come with one, or if they'll start selling them individually. I've had four Wiimotes for as long as I've owned a Wii, so I don't need these coupled sets.

AshburnerX;402190][QUOTE=figmentPez said:

I don't know how many other people are going to think $150 is worth spending on one or two games that really take advantage of Kinect, but a lot of people have already spent that kind of money on Rock Band and Guitar Hero controllers.

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True, but those controllers ONLY work with Rockband/Guitar Hero, and the companies that make the games make profit off of each plastic guitar they sell. What's the 3rd Party's motivation to work around the Kinect, aside from maybe getting some cash from MS to make the game? They don't see any profit from Kinect sales and they are limiting the number of people who can play their game to the people who own one. It's not sound business sense to make games for this, unless you can make them cheaply enough to make up your costs in a few thousand units (which makes it shovelware).

Honestly... it seems like no one understands that the only reason the Wii's motion controls are a big hit is because they are standard kit for every Wii, meaning everyone who owns a Wii can use games that take advantage of them.[/QUOTE]

Which is why I think there may end up being be 1 or 2 games that are really worth playing on Kinect. (Just like Wii Fit is the only game I know of worth playing on the balance board). People who played Dance Central at E3 raved about how much fun it is and how well it works. The rest of what comes out may end up being shovelware, but it seems like Microsoft has worked to get solid launch titles.

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or if they'll start selling them individually.

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They already sell them separately. $20 MSRP, Amazon and Wal-Mart have them for $17.54.

The part of Kinect that most interests me is not the motion control, but the speech recognition. Depending on how versatile it is, I'm hoping that a lot of the next-gen systems end up with something like that. It would be of limited use for most games, but could be pretty awesome for a lot of non-game uses.

I will say that Microsoft is at least trying to innovate, while Sony seems more intent on copying and pasting. Which means Microsoft's will probably be more buggy, like the Wii, but maybe that's why it's a tacked-on peripheral. This way they can sort out the bugs, and next gen get something geared directly into the system with all the problems solved.

Coming up with names for the systems must be hard. Sony made it easy for themselves; I can't imagine what Microsoft and Nintendo's next systems will be called.

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I will say that Microsoft is at least trying to innovate, while Sony seems more intent on copying and pasting. Which means Microsoft's will probably be more buggy, like the Wii, but maybe that's why it's a tacked-on peripheral. This way they can sort out the bugs, and next gen get something geared directly into the system with all the problems solved.

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You're right. This is standard Microsoft procedure. Get the users to pay for a chance to beta test your product, and then release a more polished final version later, and hope they pay again.

And... so...

No one mentioned the trailer for the Warhammer 40,000 MMO? Had I not gone over a list of E3 2010 games, I wouldn't have known. What do I keep you people for?



I need a new computer. One that will run this. I also need new pants.

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I must follow this 40k game now I heard they were making one but I did not look to see how far along they were. Also on a non game related topic Escushion they are making a 3d-animated 40k movie but only a meh teaser trailer is out and some concept sketches and I think one production vid.

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I must follow this 40k game now I heard they were making one but I did not look to see how far along they were. Also on a non game related topic Escushion they are making a 3d-animated 40k movie but only a meh teaser trailer is out and some concept sketches and I think one production vid.

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I honestly don't have much hopes for anything 40k-related that centers on its story. Books, a movie, etc. I've gone through some of the stories, and even the really good ones feel like you're working in the mind of an adolescent boy. I think the creators ignore that one of the basic human coping mechanisms is hope, and you really don't see it in this universe, because it wants to be Buckets of Blood. It's not the game's fault--the story was developed to be a game, and it makes perfect sense for one. So I love the tabletop, I love the video games, and I'm excited about this MMO since the makers say it will be more action-oriented than games like WoW, but I don't think a movie is going to be very good outside of visuals.

escushion;402238][QUOTE=Telephius said:

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I must follow this 40k game now I heard they were making one but I did not look to see how far along they were. Also on a non game related topic Escushion they are making a 3d-animated 40k movie but only a meh teaser trailer is out and some concept sketches and I think one production vid.

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I honestly don't have much hopes for anything 40k-related that centers on its story. Books, a movie, etc. I've gone through some of the stories, and even the really good ones feel like you're working in the mind of an adolescent boy. I think the creators ignore that one of the basic human coping mechanisms is hope, and you really don't see it in this universe, because it wants to be Buckets of Blood. It's not the game's fault--the story was developed to be a game, and it makes perfect sense for one. So I love the tabletop, I love the video games, and I'm excited about this MMO since the makers say it will be more action-oriented than games like WoW, but I don't think a movie is going to be very good outside of visuals.[/QUOTE]

Read Ciaphis Cain: HERO OF THE IMPERIUM! There are other books in the series, but that's omnibus of the first 3 and some of the short stories. Honestly, it's probably the most hopeful work in the entire Black Library and downright funny at times. It also shows that no matter how dark things get, the reason the Imperium of Man has lasted so long is because of people like Cain inspiring others to feats of greatness (even if he usually doesn't deserve the praise he gets). It's also why there are A LOT more books about the Imperial Guard than the Space Marines.

AshburnerX;402241][QUOTE=escushion;402238][QUOTE=Telephius said:

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I must follow this 40k game now I heard they were making one but I did not look to see how far along they were. Also on a non game related topic Escushion they are making a 3d-animated 40k movie but only a meh teaser trailer is out and some concept sketches and I think one production vid.

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I honestly don't have much hopes for anything 40k-related that centers on its story. Books, a movie, etc. I've gone through some of the stories, and even the really good ones feel like you're working in the mind of an adolescent boy. I think the creators ignore that one of the basic human coping mechanisms is hope, and you really don't see it in this universe, because it wants to be Buckets of Blood. It's not the game's fault--the story was developed to be a game, and it makes perfect sense for one. So I love the tabletop, I love the video games, and I'm excited about this MMO since the makers say it will be more action-oriented than games like WoW, but I don't think a movie is going to be very good outside of visuals.[/QUOTE]

Read Ciaphis Cain: HERO OF THE IMPERIUM! There are other books in the series, but that's omnibus of the first 3 and some of the short stories. Honestly, it's probably the most hopeful work in the entire Black Library and downright funny at times. It also shows that no matter how dark things get, the reason the Imperium of Man has lasted so long is because of people like Cain inspiring others to feats of greatness (even if he usually doesn't deserve the praise he gets). It's also why there are A LOT more books about the Imperial Guard than the Space Marines.[/QUOTE]

I have heard of Cain and it has been on my list of books to get around to. I'm just used to other stuff. Some of it is brilliant, like Dan Abnett and Ben Counter, though I feel still lacks an element of humanity (great stories though), but there is a lot of juvenile shit in the Black Library.

I will get off my ass and get the omnibus though. Borders is having a 46% off Father's Day sale with the coupon, so why not?

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I will get off my ass and get the omnibus though. Borders is having a 46% off Father's Day sale with the coupon, so why not?

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Yeah, don't order anything through the Games Workshop site unless your planning on buying more than 30 bucks of stuff. If you don't, you have to eat a 15 DOLLAR DELIVERY CHARGE for basic shipping. The Borders website also looks like it has pre-orders for Defender of the Imperium (the second Omnibus) and The Emperor's Finest , which is an all new story. I highly recommend the series.

Extra Life

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That's so fucking stupid!

Bravo, Microsoft, you morons...

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Yep, didn't come with it. If you want a wifi adapter you need to buy their specific one for 80$ US, which is fucken retarded as it comes out to half the price of a new rig. Thus when my refurbished xbox will die (my 3rd btw) ibeyond it's warranty in december, i may decide to buy this new one altogether.

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Spoony has E3 coverage going up.

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I watched his Day 2 coverage; he is pissed as all hell about the new X-COM.

"BETRAYAL!"

I want that 40K MMO so bad.

Damn, Spoony is picky about games. I know part of it is just shtick, but there seems to be a core of reality in there somewhere. I don't get the hate for Zelda being the "same game". If Wind Waker had been reskinned as a Samurai Jack game (same items, same dungeons, same gameplay) and the only difference was the protagonist and characters, would it really have been that much better of a game?

This is not shtick at all--Spoony knows how to use hate-shtick to be funny, and he does that in his reviews. This coverage is true Spoony; he takes gaming seriously, and he is thus very picky about games. I find it a bit ridiculous, but then, I don't take games as seriously as he does. Some of the stuff he noted really does look like brand-stamp forgettable stuff, like the Pirates of the Caribbean game, that LOTR game, and some other stuff.

But the Zelda bit is much like Frank; some who aren't Nintendo fans see these continued franchises and think it's stupid, that it's all the same. It's not, but we don't get on their cases about it, because we know that even if it was the same, we'd play it anyway .

I still find his "BETRAYAL!" over X-Com funny, even though the fact that it's borrowing heavily from Fallout and Bioshock is making me look forward to it. I like that retro thing.

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But the Zelda bit is much like Frank; some who aren't Nintendo fans see these continued franchises and think it's stupid, that it's all the same. It's not, but we don't get on their cases about it, because we know that even if it was the same, we'd play it anyway .

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Yeah, I probably would play it anyway, for a little while. There's a good chance I'll get the Ocarina of Time remake for the 3DS, but only if Navi is less annoying.

But you're right, the games aren't the same. Every new Zelda has had new gameplay mechanics not found in previous games. I think a lot of people ignore those because there is a lot of repetition in the series. It's a complicated issue, and personally I'm happy to play, and defend, what I enjoy.



Back to other E3 coverage, JewWario has a video on Super Scribblenauts and damn that game looks awesome. I never played the first because I was wary of the control flaws people complained about, but it looks like they've really changed things for the better in the new game.

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I still find his "BETRAYAL!" over X-Com funny, even though the fact that it's borrowing heavily from Fallout and Bioshock is making me look forward to it. I like that retro thing.

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His ragging on the dev for saying it was in the 1950s was more to do with the fact he was trying to point out that the developer did not relate to X-com more so then hate on 1950s style(I think). The thing Spoony sounds most concerned about(and I as well) is that not that it may be a fun game but that it won't be an X-com game in spirit. The reason people liked X-com was due to its iconinc gameplay. I would imagine alot of Zelda fans would be pissed at Nintendo if Nintendo did not make a noteworthy Zelda in 10+ years then announce a new Zelda only for it to be a reskinned Mario Kart, Myst, or Tetris game with a Hyrule Theme and maybe some minor elements from actual Zelda games quasi thrown in.

I mean it could very well be a Bioshock which alot of people like but it is kinda insulting to call it something it isn't in order to try and grab some cash off of a cherish franchise. Also it is still to early I think to make a decision on whether this new X-com will stray to far from its roots as from Spoony's video Angry Joe stated they seemed to have research options and possibly base gameplay. Joe is also right in the fact that there needs to be base invasion(and IMO being able to customize the base.) X-com was a game about, fund management, research management, build management, diplomacy, as well as tactical warfare, it was like playing the offspring of a Sim(Maybe a CIV game never played them much) game and Hex war game.

Kinect has trouble seeing black... What is this, an episode of Better Off Ted?

figmentPez said:

Kinect has trouble seeing black... What is this, an episode of Better Off Ted?

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Fucking still?

Ngai Croal had the same shit problems at the last E3.