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So the DDoSer that had been attacking P99 didn't feel he was getting the attention he deserved, so he started DDoSing the EQEMU login server (the gateway to the dozens of EQEMu servers).

As a result, the data center has terminated the contract for the login server.

http://www.projecteq.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=9229

As they don't have the costs to cover moving to a "hardened" data center, EQEMU is down indefinitely.

Geez... isn't there a single white or grey hat among the EQEMU community? Somebody needs to fuck this guy up.

Not a fan of the game, but damn, that sucks big time. All that work, design, and the pure imagination space just gone like that for one emotionally retarded...

Augh.

bigcountry23 said:

So the DDoSer that had been attacking P99 didn't feel he was getting the attention he deserved, so he started DDoSing the EQEMU login server (the gateway to the dozens of EQEMu servers including).

As a result, the data center has terminated the contract for the login server.

http://www.projecteq.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=9229

As they don't have the costs to cover moving to a "hardened" data center, EQEMU is down indefinitely.

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Oh well. Doesn't really bother me much as I have a life beyond video games. I guess I'll just have to have sex with my gf instead of playing EQ for a while. Oh, the horror. eace:

At any rate, I'll keep looking for more old spell data and fixing the errors that I can find in the spell file for when the server is back up. Hopefully it will be of use to someone.

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AshburnerX said:

Geez... isn't there a single white or grey hat among the EQEMU community? Somebody needs to fuck this guy up.

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What's really funny is that he is supposed to be a GM or dev on another EQEmu server. (It is suspected by many that it's someone from the Tallon/Vallon Zek rules PvP server who's been known to do this kind of thing before.) So by attacking the login server he screwed himself over because now his server is down along with the rest of them.

Torrinn said:

Oh well. Doesn't really bother me much as I have a life beyond video games. I guess I'll just have to have sex with my gf instead of playing EQ for a while. Oh, the horror. eace:

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Try harder.

Try harder.

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Looks like he will be if you know what I mean.

Clearly she's of age, she has makeup.

P99 has moved back to the beta forums at http://classicbetatest.guildlaunch.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=791307&gid=62867

Sounds like the login server has a temporary home as well. Not a perminent solution, but it will do for now.

Torrinn;308050][quote=bigcountry23 said:

So the DDoSer that had been attacking P99 didn't feel he was getting the attention he deserved, so he started DDoSing the EQEMU login server (the gateway to the dozens of EQEMu servers including).

As a result, the data center has terminated the contract for the login server.

http://www.projecteq.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=9229

As they don't have the costs to cover moving to a \"hardened\" data center, EQEMU is down indefinitely.

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Oh well. Doesn't really bother me much as I have a life beyond video games. I guess I'll just have to have sex with my gf instead of playing EQ for a while. Oh, the horror. eace:

At any rate, I'll keep looking for more old spell data and fixing the errors that I can find in the spell file for when the server is back up. Hopefully it will be of use to someone.

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AshburnerX said:

Geez... isn't there a single white or grey hat among the EQEMU community? Somebody needs to fuck this guy up.

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What's really funny is that he is supposed to be a GM or dev on another EQEmu server. (It is suspected by many that it's someone from the Tallon/Vallon Zek rules PvP server who's been known to do this kind of thing before.) So by attacking the login server he screwed himself over because now his server is down along with the rest of them.[/quote]

There he is.

Seriously, kid...most of us here do not give a fuck about your little drama in a dead game. You specifically joined a forum where one, maybe two people posting here played on the server, and ranted on it on not one, but two(Jesus, really!?) alts.

Good for you, calling others out otherson no lives and girlfriends. really. best thing to do on the internet since 1997. you know, that year you were born ( OMG, I just called you a young teen! Holy crap!!!...thats the kind of argument insult you have been using here) Kudos. We do no care about you, and the hundred (maybe even two hundred, golly!) or so other players in the world spend your time looking for Everquest EMUs. Honestly, we do not.

Enjoy yourself.

Shannow;308237][quote=Torrinn;308050][quote=bigcountry23 said:

So the DDoSer that had been attacking P99 didn't feel he was getting the attention he deserved, so he started DDoSing the EQEMU login server (the gateway to the dozens of EQEMu servers including).

As a result, the data center has terminated the contract for the login server.

http://www.projecteq.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=9229

As they don't have the costs to cover moving to a \"hardened\" data center, EQEMU is down indefinitely.

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Oh well. Doesn't really bother me much as I have a life beyond video games. I guess I'll just have to have sex with my gf instead of playing EQ for a while. Oh, the horror. eace:

At any rate, I'll keep looking for more old spell data and fixing the errors that I can find in the spell file for when the server is back up. Hopefully it will be of use to someone.

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AshburnerX said:

Geez... isn't there a single white or grey hat among the EQEMU community? Somebody needs to fuck this guy up.

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What's really funny is that he is supposed to be a GM or dev on another EQEmu server. (It is suspected by many that it's someone from the Tallon/Vallon Zek rules PvP server who's been known to do this kind of thing before.) So by attacking the login server he screwed himself over because now his server is down along with the rest of them.[/quote]

There he is.

Seriously, kid...most of us here do not give a fuck about your little drama in a dead game. You specifically joined a forum where one, maybe two people posting here played on the server, and ranted on it on not one, but two(Jesus, really!?) alts.

Good for you, calling others out otherson no lives and girlfriends. really. best thing to do on the internet since 1997. you know, that year you were born ( OMG, I just called you a young teen! Holy crap!!!...thats the kind of argument insult you have been using here) Kudos. We do no care about you, and the hundred (maybe even two hundred, golly!) or so other players in the world spend your time looking for Everquest EMUs. Honestly, we do not.

Enjoy yourself.[/QUOTE]

You're looking for peqonly, I think, this dude played the same server thing as bigcountry.

Yeah, Torrin doesn't have even remotely the same posting style as peqonly.

Cuyval Dar said:

Yeah, Torrin doesn't have even remotely the same posting style as peqonly.

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Meaning he has strung together more than 3 words without a dozen misc. links.

Precisely.

On another note, as an active SWGEmu player, I extend my sympathies. I'm only glad that the SWG emulator community doesn't have this kind of insanity (anymore, although I don't think that it ever reached this level.)

Perhaps this will persuade the various emulator groups to get over their differences, and pool their resources.

I went back to the other thread to see if you guys had heard, and then i read it all up to here... lol and that person was super rude to the guy who made a sarcastic remark, although he was clearly putting time into the EQ project... and wasnt even the original poster or anything... that was strange.


also hi. they fucking killed EQEMU???? That is so bogus. Thanks p1999 for attracting a retard's wrath. for a while, all you had was potential. now you've wasted everyones time with your shitty unbeta'tested server, and destroyed the ENTIRE EQEMU COMMUNITY'S ABILITY TO PLAY, YOU (* (#)^&)#(&^)&#^$

Congrats. Unfuckingbelievable.

"Seriously, kid...most of us here do not give a fuck about your little drama in a dead game. You specifically joined a forum where one, maybe two people posting here played on the server, and ranted on it on not one, but two(Jesus, really!?) alts.

Good for you, calling others out otherson no lives and girlfriends. really. best thing to do on the internet since 1997. you know, that year you were born ( OMG, I just called you a young teen! Holy crap!!!...thats the kind of argument insult you have been using here) Kudos. We do no care about you, and the hundred (maybe even two hundred, golly!) or so other players in the world spend your time looking for Everquest EMUs. Honestly, we do not.

Enjoy yourself. "

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I have created ONE account here, when i was stoned ... just to be random. I actually forgot to login the past couple days. Imagine my surprise.

I will turn 27 this month. RELAX. Life is a bigger sillier game then the fucking EMU's. Grow up if you don't get that. EQEMU shit is serious business k (to one particular person especially, at least! fucking spammer assholes!!) GOOD DAY.

CynicismKills said:

You're looking for peqonly, I think, this dude played the same server thing as bigcountry.

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^ this

^ my new favorite trendy reply (im seeing it more and more these trendy days)

My thanks to you for paying attention CynicismKills. I, at least, appreciate your thoroughness in the matter. Gratzi. Kudos.

Goodbye for now strange-forum-who's-purpose-ive-yet-to-care-to-remember-but-yet-i-bookmarked-for-some-reason. Until next time.

My faullt. For some reason I took it as an alt of the same person coming back in here based on the joined dates and sticking to the one and only topic. Again, completely my fault, and I wish to apologize. Welcome.

Shannow;308237][quote=Torrinn;308050][quote=bigcountry23 said:

So the DDoSer that had been attacking P99 didn't feel he was getting the attention he deserved, so he started DDoSing the EQEMU login server (the gateway to the dozens of EQEMu servers including).

As a result, the data center has terminated the contract for the login server.

http://www.projecteq.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=9229

As they don't have the costs to cover moving to a \"hardened\" data center, EQEMU is down indefinitely.

Click to expand...

Oh well. Doesn't really bother me much as I have a life beyond video games. I guess I'll just have to have sex with my gf instead of playing EQ for a while. Oh, the horror. eace:

At any rate, I'll keep looking for more old spell data and fixing the errors that I can find in the spell file for when the server is back up. Hopefully it will be of use to someone.

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AshburnerX said:

Geez... isn't there a single white or grey hat among the EQEMU community? Somebody needs to fuck this guy up.

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What's really funny is that he is supposed to be a GM or dev on another EQEmu server. (It is suspected by many that it's someone from the Tallon/Vallon Zek rules PvP server who's been known to do this kind of thing before.) So by attacking the login server he screwed himself over because now his server is down along with the rest of them.[/quote]

There he is.

Seriously, kid...most of us here do not give a fuck about your little drama in a dead game. You specifically joined a forum where one, maybe two people posting here played on the server, and ranted on it on not one, but two(Jesus, really!?) alts.

Good for you, calling others out otherson no lives and girlfriends. really. best thing to do on the internet since 1997. you know, that year you were born ( OMG, I just called you a young teen! Holy crap!!!...thats the kind of argument insult you have been using here) Kudos. We do no care about you, and the hundred (maybe even two hundred, golly!) or so other players in the world spend your time looking for Everquest EMUs. Honestly, we do not.

Enjoy yourself.[/QUOTE]

FYI, this is my only account.

We know. He was thinking of PEQOnly. No worries, man.

peqonly said:

Thanks p1999 for attracting a retard's wrath. for a while, all you had was potential. now you've wasted everyones time with your shitty unbeta'tested server, and destroyed the ENTIRE EQEMU COMMUNITY'S ABILITY TO PLAY, YOU (* (#)^&)#(&^)&#^$

Congrats. Unfuckingbelievable.

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Your writing style may have confused me a bit, but it sounds like you're blaming p1999 for the DDoSer, and your reasoning escapes me.

TeKeo;308821][quote=peqonly said:

Thanks p1999 for attracting a retard's wrath. for a while, all you had was potential. now you've wasted everyones time with your shitty unbeta'tested server, and destroyed the ENTIRE EQEMU COMMUNITY'S ABILITY TO PLAY, YOU (* (#)^&)#(&^)&#^$

Congrats. Unfuckingbelievable.

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Your writing style may have confused me a bit, but it sounds like you're blaming p1999 for the DDoSer, and your reasoning escapes me. [/QUOTE]

Blame the victim.

Dave;308822][quote=TeKeo;308821][quote=peqonly said:

Thanks p1999 for attracting a retard's wrath. for a while, all you had was potential. now you've wasted everyones time with your shitty unbeta'tested server, and destroyed the ENTIRE EQEMU COMMUNITY'S ABILITY TO PLAY, YOU (* (#)^&)#(&^)&#^$

Congrats. Unfuckingbelievable.

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Your writing style may have confused me a bit, but it sounds like you're blaming p1999 for the DDoSer, and your reasoning escapes me. [/QUOTE]

Blame the victim.[/QUOTE]

So it seems, but my brain has difficulty parsing his syntax sometimes, so maybe if he could re-iterate?

Torrinn;308813][quote=Shannow;308237][quote=Torrinn;308050][quote=bigcountry23 said:

So the DDoSer that had been attacking P99 didn't feel he was getting the attention he deserved, so he started DDoSing the EQEMU login server (the gateway to the dozens of EQEMu servers including).

As a result, the data center has terminated the contract for the login server.

http://www.projecteq.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=9229

As they don't have the costs to cover moving to a \"hardened\" data center, EQEMU is down indefinitely.

Click to expand...

Oh well. Doesn't really bother me much as I have a life beyond video games. I guess I'll just have to have sex with my gf instead of playing EQ for a while. Oh, the horror. eace:

At any rate, I'll keep looking for more old spell data and fixing the errors that I can find in the spell file for when the server is back up. Hopefully it will be of use to someone.

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AshburnerX said:

Geez... isn't there a single white or grey hat among the EQEMU community? Somebody needs to fuck this guy up.

Click to expand...

What's really funny is that he is supposed to be a GM or dev on another EQEmu server. (It is suspected by many that it's someone from the Tallon/Vallon Zek rules PvP server who's been known to do this kind of thing before.) So by attacking the login server he screwed himself over because now his server is down along with the rest of them.[/quote]

There he is.

Seriously, kid...most of us here do not give a fuck about your little drama in a dead game. You specifically joined a forum where one, maybe two people posting here played on the server, and ranted on it on not one, but two(Jesus, really!?) alts.

Good for you, calling others out otherson no lives and girlfriends. really. best thing to do on the internet since 1997. you know, that year you were born ( OMG, I just called you a young teen! Holy crap!!!...thats the kind of argument insult you have been using here) Kudos. We do no care about you, and the hundred (maybe even two hundred, golly!) or so other players in the world spend your time looking for Everquest EMUs. Honestly, we do not.

Enjoy yourself.[/quote]

FYI, this is my only account.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, sorry about that. It was all my bad in a drunken stupor. I am sorry.

Don't mind Shannow, he's mostly harmless (unless you attack his monistary and force him to wander the earth again).

The only victims are the ones who donated money to p1999

For re-iteration, and proof of GM incompetence and corruption, view this thread:

http://classicbetatest.guildlaunch.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3948070

In the words of one player:

"... Its nothing short of a greek tragedy that we've f*cked it all up the second time around Norrath just like we did back in the day."



I'd wait to roll when this is finished (which it almost is):

http://www.eqclassic.org/roadmap.html

"EQClassic.org is the official online portal between the community and the
developers whom are dedicated to creating unique, original server-side code for the best MMORPG ever created."

Now that's a project... and they've already fixed things these p1999 clowns will never understand, like Z-axis.

Or in the meantime you can always roll PEQ.

You're welcome.

But PEQ is just as bad if not worse.

How does p1999's (apparent) inability to moderate/update their server make them responsible for the DDoS?

Worthy of not being patronized, sure, but DDoSing EQEMU in response seems like if I robbed every bank in New York because Citibank had a crappy online banking interface and refused to fix it. It makes much more sense just to take my business to another bank.

TeKeo said:

How does p1999's (apparent) inability to moderate/update their server make them responsible for the DDoS?

Worthy of not being patronized, sure, but DDoSing EQEMU in response seems like if I robbed every bank in New York because Citibank had a crappy online banking interface and refused to fix it. It makes much more sense just to take my business to another bank.

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Actually, it's more like robbing every bank in New York because Citibank was giving free money to some people and closing the accounts/taking the money of others. Your point still stands however.

AshburnerX;315239][quote=TeKeo said:

How does p1999's (apparent) inability to moderate/update their server make them responsible for the DDoS?

Worthy of not being patronized, sure, but DDoSing EQEMU in response seems like if I robbed every bank in New York because Citibank had a crappy online banking interface and refused to fix it. It makes much more sense just to take my business to another bank.

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Actually, it's more like robbing every bank in New York because Citibank was giving free money to some people and closing the accounts/taking the money of others. Your point still stands however.[/QUOTE]

Fair enough.

I don't have a clue what's going on in this thread.

I'm gonna go play Splinter Cell.

Your sig list needs updating.

To pull a quote out of that same mess you linked.

"you seriously missed out on the real classic EQ experience if your server board's Rants & Flames section didn't have daily drama."

http://classicbetatest.guildlaunch....0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=45&gid=62867

In all honesty, what you are linking to is nothing more than a pissing match between the two highest guilds on the server. If somone manages to find a way to have a server without that, I would LOVE to see it.

In other news, a new data center has been secured, the servers have been moved, and everything is back to "normal" for the EQEMU community (albeit at a higher cost out of the pockets of those who support it).

I would also like to point out that one of the DEV's (Secrets) for Peqonly's much touted vaperware (AKA EQClassic) recently joined the P99 DEV/GM team.

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TeKeo said:

How does p1999's (apparent) inability to moderate/update their server make them responsible for the DDoS?

Worthy of not being patronized, sure...

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The interesting thing is, all the "press" around the internet from the DDoS attack has atracted more attention (P99 recently passed the 300 online mark, which is an accomplishment as that means 300 invididual users (no boxing allowed)).

bigcountry23;315441][quote=TeKeo said:

How does p1999's (apparent) inability to moderate/update their server make them responsible for the DDoS?

Worthy of not being patronized, sure...

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The interesting thing is, all the "press" around the internet from the DDoS attack has atracted more attention (P99 recently passed the 300 online mark, which is an accomplishment as that means 300 invididual users (no boxing allowed)).[/QUOTE]

This is exactly what I mean. A DDoS "in protest" is completely pointless because all it does is (rightfully) cast the one being protested against as the victim.

And btw, big, I'm not debating his list of grievances just because I'm not involved in any of it and wouldn't know either way. Plus, regardless of whether they're true or not, I don't believe it in any way makes p1999 responsible for what happened.

Apologies, if that wasn't clear.

TeKeo;315575][quote=bigcountry23;315441][quote=TeKeo said:

How does p1999's (apparent) inability to moderate/update their server make them responsible for the DDoS?

Worthy of not being patronized, sure...

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The interesting thing is, all the "press" around the internet from the DDoS attack has atracted more attention (P99 recently passed the 300 online mark, which is an accomplishment as that means 300 invididual users (no boxing allowed)).[/QUOTE]

This is exactly what I mean. A DDoS "in protest" is completely pointless because all it does is (rightfully) cast the one being protested against as the victim.

And btw, big, I'm not debating his list of grievances just because I'm not involved in any of it and wouldn't know either way. Plus, regardless of whether they're true or not, I don't believe it in any way makes p1999 responsible for what happened.

Apologies, if that wasn't clear.[/QUOTE]

No worries, plus it made a great way to segway into the fact that we have over 300 people playing now.

Cuyval Dar said:

Your sig list needs updating.

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I believe you are correct, sir.

*Updates sig*

bigcountry23 said:

No worries, plus it made a great way to segway into the fact that we have over 300 people playing now.

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segway?

1.) Drama between paying customers != Drama because players with GM powers exploit, then tell the players to like it or leave.

2.) EQClassic.ORG is seperate from PEQ, p1999. Its an offshoot from old defunct Project Norrath. I dont care about Secrets from PEQ helping these tards.

3.) PEQ team is way more involved in the EMU scene, and their database efforts are utilized by other EMU servers. The things they develop benefit the whole EMU community, not just a few players who want GM godmode.

The next post you make that actually sheds PEQ in a positive light on this forum will be your first.

Piotyr said:

The next post you make that actually sheds PEQ in a positive light on this forum will be your first.

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You have to admit that a lot of what we think of PEQOnly comes from his earlier incoherence. He may have some points and PEQ might even be a better product. I don't know enough to make an informed decision as I don't play EQ.

If I were to start I admit I would try PEQ because of the DDoSer, which is what he's attempting to do. So I'd feel dirty. If I didn't like what I saw I'd go to P1999 and try them.

My question is, why does anyone care if the GMs show favoritism? Unless it unbalances world economy or PvP it won't matter.

So a group who can unnaturally kick the crap out of a major boss? So? How does this affect me as another player?

Nope, PEQ is a shit server, I have no idea why this guy is promoting it so hard.

Dave said:

You have to admit that a lot of what we think of PEQOnly comes from his earlier incoherence. He may have some points and PEQ might even be a better product.

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We've all said stupid crap on this forum, but I think it's fair to say that showing up solely to bash (as opposed to critique) the work of another forum member, even if you're correct, is probably not a good way to sell a product, even a free one.

I'm glad things are heading in a more dispassionate direction (sort of).

peqonly said:

1.) Drama between paying customers != Drama because players with GM powers exploit, then tell the players to like it or leave.

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There is a huge difference between what has been the complaint (GM's with PC's in the uber guild) and what you are saying here. I have yet to see a report of a player with GM powers exploiting. Players exploiting pathing, yes. One GM that has been stripped of his position for exploiting a quest (which it seems nearly everyone knew about but the lead GM's) yes. Players with "GM" powers, No.

Alot of the "favoritism" drama has come because several of the end game encounters (Mistmoore, Vox, Etc) were buggy when first encountered and not reacting as the Dev's had scripted (No AOE fear or Damage from the dragons, no charming from Mistmoore, Etc). So the guilds were basically beta testing on the live server and allowed to keep loot "for their trouble". They were not given GM Rez's for their deaths, they had to put up with buggy encounters that were not reacting in a classic sense, and they were basically being rewarded for testing.

peqonly said:

2.) EQClassic.ORG is separate from PEQ, p1999. Its an offshoot from old defunct Project Norrath. I dont care about Secrets from PEQ helping these tards.

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Newsflash, http://eqclassic.org/team.html The Secrets that is working on P99 is the same Secrets that is THE Database Dev on EQClassic.org. Without a database, there is basically no backend for the game (not that I'm really expecting this vaperware to ever see the light of day). Might want to have some knowledge of the "we hope it will go live someday" product you are trying to push so hard.

peqonly said:

3.) PEQ team is way more involved in the EMU scene, and their database efforts are utilized by other EMU servers. The things they develop benefit the whole EMU community, not just a few players who want GM godmode.

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I do agree with the first part of this, PEQ is the database that many other servers are built off of. Without Cavedude and his team alot of these servers would not have a starting point. As I have said before, I have no issues with PEQ, it's just not the server I choose to play on. If I want an EZmode, I play on Irreverent. When I want that classic experience, I play on p99 (as it won't be getting into the expansions that made EQ into what Live is today). Should I decide that I want the Post POP experience with classic exp rates, I would go back to PEQ. As I have limited time to play, this is very doubtful.

Should EQClassic ever see the light of day, I might take a look at it. Until then P99 satisfies that classic EQ craving I have.

BTW, I think alot of the confusion comes from the fact that your name seems to imply that you think there should be only one server (PEQ) but you keep pushing EQClassic rather than talking up PEQ. Maybe EQClassiconly would be a more sutable name (or, you know, maybe talk up what PEQ has over other servers).

PEQ allows boxing, although a 2 box limit i think is in effect.

They have also addressed a ton of things that are still broken on p1999 that will never be fixed by the "talent" on that project. IE monks, for one...

PEQ also has a hugely dedicated staff that maturely and in a timely manner respond to all concerns and actually address them. They deserve Legend status.

p1999 is still ignoring the most basic of valid issues as well as claiming to be out of Beta phase when clearly they are STILL in beta, as you mentioned about the broken encounters.

"It is not a perception, it is a fact. Tibador is A.K.A. GM-Zyrek and has a non-theoretical position of authority on this server which he has been shown to abuse several times when he has aided the exploitative downing of more than one boss encounter for loot.
It is not Zexa's problem, it is all of ours. If this is the precedent that is being accepted, there is no reason anyone should not exploit any and all content on this server. If they are going to let people who have been shown without any trace of doubt (video proof, admissions, what more do you want?) to be exploiting get away with it, we should all start exploiting everything right now. If "nothing" is what they do to tibador and allizia, then EXPLOITING IS OK BY THE DE FACTO RULES OF THE SERVER.
Again, this is everyone's problem. This server will be ruined by people exploiting mobs at every turn.. duos or even solos on raid bosses? sure! Why not if you can exploit the geometry or some bug? Sound good? Yeah, doesn't sound good to me either."

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and as to why p1999 should be shamed:

"Sure, it's bad until some jackass gets pissed off that their guild's getting pwned and decides to take down the server.

I can just hear it now - "Well, if the GMs won't do anything about this bullshit, I'll do something".

Sound familiar??"

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Despite the fact that the DDoS'er is the only guilty party... the aggravation occurred on p1999 because of p1999 devs and GMs. I'll split the diff 50/50. Fuck p1999 and fuck DDoS'er.

Grats to Secrets for his charitable pity. Good karma.

See, I hate boxing. Hate it. I think boxing ruins MMOs, especially when PvP is involved.

I can't tell you how often I ran into a boxer in WoW in a BG setting. Instead of trying to fight an obvious coordinated attack by 3-5 toons it was easier to just take the hit and jack out of the fight.

To me, boxing being allowed is a strike against PEQ.

peqonly said:

PEQ allows boxing, although a 2 box limit i think is in effect.

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Insert random joke about "playing with yourself". Also, there is no box limit, I have checked this out (you can have 1 character per account online, and i have yet to find a limit to the number of accounts you can create).

peqonly said:

They have also addressed a ton of things that are still broken on p1999 that will never be fixed by the "talent" on that project. IE monks, for one...

PEQ also has a hugely dedicated staff that maturely and in a timely manner respond to all concerns and actually address them. They deserve Legend status.

p1999 is still ignoring the most basic of valid issues as well as claiming to be out of Beta phase when clearly they are STILL in beta, as you mentioned about the broken encounters.

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I will give you that. PEQ has had 5 years live. We have had almost 3 months. In that 3 months we have nearly matched PEQ's numbers for "players online" and since NONE of our numbers are boxers, I'm willing to go out on a limb to say that we have more "people" playing (which IMO is why P99 deserved legends status).

Do I think they left Beta to early, yes. I'll be honest, I was one of the 20 people who were willing to beta test and deal with the "classic grind" knowing that there would be no true reward (as all would be wiped). While most of the testers asked to be given lvl 50 so they could go play in Kunark, I did the classic low level grind and reported dozens of issues at the lower level (all of which got fixed in Beta). Had that been the case for all testers, maybe the Dev's wouldn't of spent the first live month fixing 1-20 area of the game while people were already speeding towards and in the 40-50 side of the game (and finding issues with Pathing, drops, etc that were never encountered in Beta because everyone was busy playing on an expansion that wouldn't see the light of day for a year after launch).

I also don't think they were expecting the volume of people joining that they saw day one (in fact I know that, as the server they were on at the time was not prepared for more than 100). They were unprepared for the reaction and are still playing catch up. I think Nilbog and his crew need more help, but at the moment I think they are also feeling a bit "gun shy" about trusting people with GM/Guide power (understandably).

I also think that several of the GM's have made the classic superhero blunder of letting their "secret identity" slip (in the form of letting people know who their "player" is when they are not in GM mode). This has opened their characters up to direct attacks (especially as there is at least one in each of the top end guilds). Once again most of these people have never been GM's (or ran a server) before. I would be willing to bet dollars to donuts that most servers have had these issues at startup. I hope your much touted ClassicEQ is taking notes or you will have some random chuckle head giving the same grief should that project ever see the light of day.

You have bested me with your responses. Thank you for the engaging back and forth that has entertained me while i adjust to my antidepressants .

I too think boxing isn't really in the spirit of the game. I prefer the social and adventuring aspect over loot and exp grinds. That is what made the game so magical .

That said, when I started EQ, I naively thought the best players had earned their positions... turns out they hacked memory offsets, macroquested, used guide characters to scout, bought characters and platinum, and basically did everything they could to expose the guts and numbers of the game .

I thought they all earned it, but it turns out cheaters always prosper (the ones who are good enough not to get caught) .

That taught me a lot about life, I must say. Depressing, but conversely, the people who enjoy the little things and the experience in life do come out with a more positive experience over the cheaters .

Curious. Well, keep up the good fight.eace: :horn:

Needs more smileys.

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You have bested me with your responses. Thank you for the engaging back and forth that has entertained me while i adjust to my antidepressants .

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I do what I can. I must say it was a far more interesting series of posts than I anticipated.

my sarcasm detector must be defect.

i think we could form a continuous chain of ion-engine powered ships to extract the liquid methane from Titan, with the ships themselves somehow using the liquid methane , converting it into the kinds of shit they need for the engines, instead of argon .

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i think we could form a continuous chain of ion-engine powered ships to extract the liquid methane from Titan, with the ships themselves somehow using the liquid methane , converting it into the kinds of shit they need for the engines, instead of argon .

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wut?

All these worlds are yours except europa attempt no landings there?

dude once my buddy brought me this sweet purple tipped chronic to vaporize... and i had a bag to myself... and i read above post... then it totally made sense. you're trying to communicate with me in my own crazy talk!! but earlier i didnt understand. good. ok. enough sorry. 2010 is good times. HAPPY NEW YEAR

It's like he's two people in one body. Or two people on one account. Some of his posts are coherent and some of them are just....not.

The best part is, he actually EDITED that post.

^^ im glad i came back that cracked me up. thank you.