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Eureka Season 4 (Spoilers within)

Jul 11, 2010#1

Shawn

Love the season premier. It's awesome that they've taken the series into a crazy new direction.

Jul 11, 2010#2

AshburnerX

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And not so cool that they kinda wrote Tess off, off screen, taped a short segment for the intro to explain they were broken up, simply to give us shock that they are together in the alternate universe? That's just bad story telling.

Jul 11, 2010#3

ThatNickGuy

Eureka Season 4

It started again?!

To the internet mobile!

Jul 11, 2010#4

Shawn

Eureka Season 4

AshburnerX said:
And not so cool that they kinda wrote Tess off, off screen, taped a short segment for the intro to explain they were broken up, simply to give us shock that they are together in the alternate universe? That's just bad story telling.

I dunno. I kinda liked that twist. The segment during the recap threw me off, because obviously it wasn't from any previous episode, but it occurred to me that they probably filmed the sequence for the episode but then felt that Carter jogging in town was a better start. (There were probably also episode length issues.). Otherwise a solid episode that clearly is leading to something not typical of Eureka considering that most reality altering problems are solved by the end of the episode.

I think the Tess twist at the end was great story telling. Carter obviously likes her, but it's clear that he'd choose Allison over her if he could. And now, just after he's gotten his heart broken by Tess, and Allison has finally shown interest in Carter, Tess is back in the picture without any knowledge that she was ever out of it.
Personally I think he should stick with Tess, but something tells me it's not going to end up that way. Either way I'm eager to see where things go from here.

Jul 11, 2010#5

Wyrminarrd

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Interesting start to the season though some of it felt a bit forced to me. A question though regarding the premise:

Didn't Eureka already establish that altering timelines with time travel results in the annihilation of Earth? I could be remembering wrong but I'm pretty sure that was made clear when Henry went back in time to save Kim. Hopefully the next few episodes will revolve around the time travelers trying to fix the past.

Jul 11, 2010#6

Shawn

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Wyrminarrd said:
Interesting start to the season though some of it felt a bit forced to me. A question though regarding the premise:

Didn't Eureka already establish that altering timelines with time travel results in the annihilation of Earth? I could be remembering wrong but I'm pretty sure that was made clear when Henry went back in time to save Kim. Hopefully the next few episodes will revolve around the time travelers trying to fix the past.

Based on the "on the next episode..." trailer it sounds like the universe is once again coming undone due to the changes.

Jul 11, 2010#7

Wyrminarrd

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Btw, did anyone here watch the Eureka special that was on before the show? Is it worth searching for or is it just a recap episode with no new information?

Jul 11, 2010#8

AshburnerX

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Wyrminarrd said:
Btw, did anyone here watch the Eureka special that was on before the show? Is it worth searching for or is it just a recap episode with no new information?

Special? It was the movie National Treasure, I thought?

Jul 11, 2010#9

ThatNickGuy

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Very happy to have the show back. After Doctor Who finished up, there was this void. I loved coming home from work in the evening to download the latest Who. Now, I have something else sci-fi to enjoy in its place. Great timing.

And speaking of time, how awesome was the 40s style Eureka theme? I wish they'd give it the full-length treatment.
The Fargonater had me rolling on the floor.
Poor Jo.

Yay Allison and Kevin! Happy to see the Kevin character return from limbo after a few seasons. He kind of disappeared after his involvement with the overarching stuff in the first two seasons wrapped up.

Overall, I'm really happy with the premiere. They shook things up and the episode as a whole was just fun. God, I'm happy to have Eureka back. In a way, it felt kind of like seeing a new Harry Potter movie: every time they get to Hogwarts and you see all the old faces walking about, it feels like the first day of school.

Jul 11, 2010#10

Wyrminarrd

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AshburnerX;413116][QUOTE=Wyrminarrd said:
Btw, did anyone here watch the Eureka special that was on before the show? Is it worth searching for or is it just a recap episode with no new information?

Special? It was the movie National Treasure, I thought?[/QUOTE]

On my myepisodes.com list there was a listing for "Eureka 4x00 Lets all go to Eureka" Which I assumed was a special shown before the first episode of the new season, in fact I just assumed that the Tess/Carter thing had been addressed in that special.

Jul 11, 2010#11

figmentPez

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Wyrminarrd said:
On my myepisodes.com list there was a listing for "Eureka 4x00 Lets all go to Eureka" Which I assumed was a special shown before the first episode of the new season, in fact I just assumed that the Tess/Carter thing had been addressed in that special.

I hadn't heard of this, but a quick google reveals it's available for free on iTunes and Amazon (maybe elsewhere). It's only 8 minutes long, but I haven't had a chance to watch it yet.

Jul 11, 2010#12

D

Dubyamn

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I actually spent the last half of the show wishing that

they wouldn't make it back to 2010 and that maybe they could have several episodes of them in the past. I understand that the whole thing might have cost more but it would have been awesome to see eureka as a military base.

I hated the message from Tess I thought there was a hole in my brain because I didn't remember that. Bastards I'm 25 and they seem to want me questioning my memory.

Looking forward to a great new season I love the show. Even the bald faced and shameless product placement

Jul 12, 2010#13

Shawn

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Watched the "Let's all go to Eureka" segment and all it turned out to be was pretty much just a look into the 4th season of the show. Just clips and interviews.

Jul 12, 2010#14

General Specific

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Is it me or did it seem that Kevin may have purposefully set up the time travel thing to cure himself of his Autism?

Jul 12, 2010#15

figmentPez

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General Specific said:
Is it me or did it seem that Kevin may have purposefully set up the time travel thing to cure himself of his Autism?

Is the artifact still present in Kevin? It might have been asserting itself in order to suit it's own purposes.

Jul 12, 2010#16

Wyrminarrd

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figmentPez;413842][QUOTE=General Specific said:
Is it me or did it seem that Kevin may have purposefully set up the time travel thing to cure himself of his Autism?

Is the artifact still present in Kevin? It might have been asserting itself in order to suit it's own purposes.

[/QUOTE]

Considering that time travel should destroy the Earth I find it hard to believe that Kevin would resort to that since if your smart enough to pull it off then you should be smart enough to figure out the consequences. Now it is possible that Kevin through the artifact somehow divined a pressing need for that scientist to come into the future and that might make for a interesting plot line.

Jul 12, 2010#17

figmentPez

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This thread needs to be marked spoilers so that we don't have to put everything in boxes.

Jul 12, 2010#18

Wyrminarrd

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It would make discussing and speculating on already aired episodes a lot easier

Jul 12, 2010#19

ThatNickGuy

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figmentPez said:
This thread needs to be marked spoilers so that we don't have to put everything in boxes.

I just assume that, if someone clicks on a thread that talks about the latest season of a show or a movie, then they're going in expecting spoilers. Hence why I didn't bother with spoiler boxes.

Jul 16, 2010#20

figmentPez

So, the artifact and time travel. Someone remind me, what was the state of Kevin and the artifact? I know it was active inside him for a while, but did it get taken out or is it still lurking? Could the artifact have asserted itself to cause the time travel? It survived the end of the previous universe, I don't think it's worried about this one ending, if it serves some other purpose.

Jul 17, 2010#21

D

Dubyamn

figmentPez said:
So, the artifact and time travel. Someone remind me, what was the state of Kevin and the artifact? I know it was active inside him for a while, but did it get taken out or is it still lurking? Could the artifact have asserted itself to cause the time travel? It survived the end of the previous universe, I don't think it's worried about this one ending, if it serves some other purpose.

I think they "cured" Kevin of the artifact influence when they transported him during a previous episode. I'd need to go back and recheck the episodes but I'm pretty sure that Kevin and the artifact are no longer linked.

Jul 17, 2010#22

figmentPez

Yes, I think you're right Dubyamn. I'd forgotten about that.

Well, I guess Kevin was just fixing something that was broken. No more thought than that would be my guess.

Last night's episode was good, but the whole "we can't tell anyone because of military protocol to eliminate anyone who has time travelled" seems like total BS. Why was that never mentioned during any other time travel incident? Why would there be such a policy if eliminating the witnesses might be the only way to prevent the collapse of the entire universe by returning the timeline to it's original state? Why hasn't there been any hint or mention of Henry's memories of previous time travel? If they keep up with Allison not wanting to revert to the original timeline because of Kevin, but never mention Henry loosing Kim, I am going to be so pissed!

Jul 17, 2010#23

AshburnerX

figmentPez said:
Last night's episode was good, but the whole "we can't tell anyone because of military protocol to eliminate anyone who has time travelled" seems like total BS. Why was that never mentioned during any other time travel incident? Why would there be such a policy if eliminating the witnesses might be the only way to prevent the collapse of the entire universe by returning the timeline to it's original state? Why hasn't there been any hint or mention of Henry's memories of previous time travel? If they keep up with Allison not wanting to revert to the original timeline because of Kevin, but never mention Henry loosing Kim, I am going to be so pissed!

Couple reasons for killing them:

- Killing the Time Travelers COULD fix the timeline: By removing their "ripple" from the "pond", they could stop any temporal anomalies tied to themselves and stop further problems. It's not 100% but it IS a reasonable conclusion.

- It's a lot easier to remove someone from time than try to put them back: If you took Isacc Newton to the future, their is a reasonable chance that someone else in history will discover his contributions to physics. It's actually a fairly large chance and one that only grows over time. However, if you tried to put him back in his own time after being exposed to say... a 21st century physics book, you'd really have no way of knowing what damage he'd do to time with it. You'd have to erase his memory or something at least.

- This one was covered on the show: The implications of a parallel universe are too great. Who knows what people might do if they learned there was a universe where they had a better life and all their dreams came true?

As for the thing with Henry... wasn't he thrown in Jail because of that at the end of season 2? I'm pretty sure it's basically the elephant in the room at this point; Everyone knows about it, but no one wants to bring it up.

Jul 17, 2010#24

Wyrminarrd

Henry has the mind erasing thing he used on Carter so that should take care of the guy from the past.

I´m getting the ugly feeling that they aren't going to fix this timeline, which is something I feel is a big violation of established time travel rules in the show. Hopefully I´m wrong and they are simply going to drag things out for most of the season.

Jul 17, 2010#25

figmentPez

AshburnerX said:
Couple reasons for killing them:

- Killing the Time Travelers COULD fix the timeline: By removing their "ripple" from the "pond", they could stop any temporal anomalies tied to themselves and stop further problems. It's not 100% but it IS a reasonable conclusion.

I disagree. When Henry went back in time and stopped Kim from dying, killing Henry after the fact wouldn't have prevented the universe from collapsing. Only going back in time again to stop Henry could undo the changes that broke the universe.

- It's a lot easier to remove someone from time than try to put them back: If you took Isacc Newton to the future, their is a reasonable chance that someone else in history will discover his contributions to physics. It's actually a fairly large chance and one that only grows over time. However, if you tried to put him back in his own time after being exposed to say... a 21st century physics book, you'd really have no way of knowing what damage he'd do to time with it. You'd have to erase his memory or something at least.

Just because it's easier doesn't mean it's the right solution. If you kill the guy and things start to collapse anyway, you're screwed. No chance to send him back. It may not matter if someone else could discover the same thing, it could simply be that any large enough change destabilizes things.

- This one was covered on the show: The implications of a parallel universe are too great. Who knows what people might do if they learned there was a universe where they had a better life and all their dreams came true?

That's a good reason to not tell everyone, just like there are top secret projects, and the world at large doesn't know about Eureka. That doesn't follow that no one should know. In fact, Deputy Andy seemed to handle it pretty well.

As for the thing with Henry... wasn't he thrown in Jail because of that at the end of season 2? I'm pretty sure it's basically the elephant in the room at this point; Everyone knows about it, but no one wants to bring it up.

No one knows about that timeline but Henry. He and Jack were the only ones until Henry mind-wiped Jack.

Wyrminarrd said:
Henry has the mind erasing thing he used on Carter so that should take care of the guy from the past.

No he doesn't. He wiped Jack and then smashed the device so that he'd never forget the life he'd had with Kim.

Jul 17, 2010#26

AshburnerX

figmentPez said:
That's a good reason to not tell everyone, just like there are top secret projects, and the world at large doesn't know about Eureka. That doesn't follow that no one should know. In fact, Deputy Andy seemed to handle it pretty well.

Andy's a fucking robot. I'm pretty sure he was built to just accept things as they were, no matter how strange they seemed, mainly because they knew he'd be working in Eureka at least in the short term. He doesn't count :smile:

figmentPez said:
No one knows about that timeline but Henry. He and Jack were the only ones until Henry mind-wiped Jack.

I thought Carter started remembering some of it in a later episode... not fully remembering it, but bits and pieces of what happened. It's been awhile since I've watched Season 2, so I could be wrong.

Jul 17, 2010#27

figmentPez

AshburnerX said:
Andy's a fucking robot. I'm pretty sure he was built to just accept things as they were, no matter how strange they seemed, mainly because they knew he'd be working in Eureka at least in the short term. He doesn't count :smile:

Jul 17, 2010#28

AshburnerX

figmentPez;416240][QUOTE=AshburnerX said:
Andy's a fucking robot. I'm pretty sure he was built to just accept things as they were, no matter how strange they seemed, mainly because they knew he'd be working in Eureka at least in the short term. He doesn't count :smile:

He's a law enforcement robot. It's not that he's taking the strangeness of time travel well, it's that he didn't seem the least inclined to report time travel to any higher authorities. If there is strictly enforced protocol about time travel, why doesn't the law enforcement robot know about it?[/QUOTE]

It seemed like only the higher ranking people from GD knew about it... and Carter definitely didn't know about it, which you think he would after being Sheriff for 4 years (and thus being the person to most likely have to deal with such a problem). Why would Andy be told about something Carter wouldn't have been, if they were both supposed to do the same job?

Jul 17, 2010#29

figmentPez

Carter is always being surprised by stuff he's supposed to know, but doesn't yet. He doesn't read the stacks of paperwork he's supposed to have. It's quite possible he's got the information somewhere but hasn't read the memo yet. So I think it's quite likely Andy would know some things that Carter doesn't, or even knows things that Andy isn't himself aware of. In our timeline Andy was supposed to replace Carter, and be a better option. It's quite possible that Andy has been programmed with everything that a Sherrif is supposed to know, in anticipation of taking over for Carter. Possibly even more than Carter would have been informed of, if he had some sort of secret programming.

Jul 18, 2010#30

Wyrminarrd

It's possible that Andy is programmed to handle "normal" civilian matters while thing like time travelers and aliens are considered strictly GD and military.

Jul 18, 2010#31

evilmike

figmentPez said:
Last night's episode was good, but the whole "we can't tell anyone because of military protocol to eliminate anyone who has time travelled" seems like total BS. Why was that never mentioned during any other time travel incident? Why would there be such a policy if eliminating the witnesses might be the only way to prevent the collapse of the entire universe by returning the timeline to it's original state? Why hasn't there been any hint or mention of Henry's memories of previous time travel? If they keep up with Allison not wanting to revert to the original timeline because of Kevin, but never mention Henry loosing Kim, I am going to be so pissed!

Maybe you are exactly right. It is actually BS. Allison was lying. The existence of the directive didn't seem surprising to anyone, but none of the others actually knew of it specifically. Allison wants to stay and doesn't want to increase the chances that the timeline will be fixed.

Jul 19, 2010#32

D

Dubyamn

figmentPez said:
He's a law enforcement robot. It's not that he's taking the strangeness of time travel well, it's that he didn't seem the least inclined to report time travel to any higher authorities. If there is strictly enforced protocol about time travel, why doesn't the law enforcement robot know about it?

Well we don't know specifically how much Andy is a by the books deputy. In this timeline it's possible that he has become more of a maverick and extremely loyal to Carter and the crew.

But yeah if it ever turns out that the directive (I believe that there is at least a directive) and the consequences are like what Allison said then it isn't really going to be any good as an explination.

Jul 20, 2010#33

figmentPez

Aha! I've figured out the entire reason for the alternate timeline! The purpose for this entire time travel plot. It's so obvious now!

They're bringing back the pizza guy from season one! Everyone was sorry that they killed off the character, and they wanted the actor to come back. I guess they decided against "in Eureka the pizza guys are all clones" idea, and they rewrote history just to be able to see the pizza guy again!

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