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I had this happen not too long ago. I played through Mass Effect, finished the game as full renegade and went "HELLS YEAH!". I wanted to then move onto Fable 2, because I loved the first one but I as I started to go through it, I just couldn't get into it at all. After playing through Mass Effect, Fable 2 seemed so...so...I don't know...bland? I was so greatly disappointed because I had such anticipation, but Mass Effect set the bar so high for me, that I don't think Fable 2 had a chance of getting there.

I thought perhaps it was an issue of RPG overload, so I went through playing other games like Halo Wars, Bound in Blood (1 and 2) and so on, but going back to Fable, I still can't shake that feeling.

You play too many goddamned games, find another hobby for a few days. Then try again, if that doesn't work, then that would mean you dislike it.

Actually I play an average of 1-2 hours a day max...It took me over a month to finish Mass Effect

EDIT: Although there WAS that period of nearly 2 months when the summer break was on and I wasn't teaching. Gave me a bit more time for gaming that I usually don't have, hence why I could get through so many other games

Honestly that's not other games, that's just Fable 2. I was looking forward to it for a long time, but it was pretty underwhelming once I ran through it once.

I was looking forward to it for a long time too. Maybe thats why my brain can't accept its subpar-ness

Terrik said:

I had this happen not too long ago. I played through Mass Effect, finished the game as full renegade and went "HELLS YEAH!". I wanted to then move onto Fable 2, because I loved the first one but I as I started to go through it, I just couldn't get into it at all. After playing through Mass Effect, Fable 2 seemed so...so...I don't know...bland? I was so greatly disappointed because I had such anticipation, but Mass Effect set the bar so high for me, that I don't think Fable 2 had a chance of getting there.

I thought perhaps it was an issue of RPG overload, so I went through playing other games like Halo Wars, Bound in Blood (1 and 2) and so on, but going back to Fable, I still can't shake that feeling.

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I had the same exact thing, except I went from Fallout 3 to Fable 2. Gone are the dialog options, and the game almost seems to become way too kiddy and cartoony. I couldn't do it.

I came back a few months later and had a blast with Fable 2 though. You just have to be in the right mindset.

Seems like you're comparing apples to cumquats in the games you're trying to equate to each other, IMO.

Fantastic contraption ruined World of Goo for me.
If I had played World of Goo first, I would have thought the mechanics were pretty interesting and original, but Fantastic contraption allows for so much more creativity, and it's free as well.

The Ace Combat series has basically ruined arcade flight games for me. The only other flight series I can otherwise stand are Crimson Skies and Tie Fighter/X-Wing, but those are closer to simulators.

Fable 2 is just overrated.

GeneralOrder24;271956][quote=Terrik said:

I had this happen not too long ago. I played through Mass Effect, finished the game as full renegade and went "HELLS YEAH!". I wanted to then move onto Fable 2, because I loved the first one but I as I started to go through it, I just couldn't get into it at all. After playing through Mass Effect, Fable 2 seemed so...so...I don't know...bland? I was so greatly disappointed because I had such anticipation, but Mass Effect set the bar so high for me, that I don't think Fable 2 had a chance of getting there.

I thought perhaps it was an issue of RPG overload, so I went through playing other games like Halo Wars, Bound in Blood (1 and 2) and so on, but going back to Fable, I still can't shake that feeling.

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I had the same exact thing, except I went from Fallout 3 to Fable 2. Gone are the dialog options, and the game almost seems to become way too kiddy and cartoony. I couldn't do it.

I came back a few months later and had a blast with Fable 2 though. You just have to be in the right mindset.[/QUOTE]

Coming from PC fps and classics like UFO: Enemy Unknown, I just cant handle any console FPS without wondering why the hell cant Microsoft spend a few of those Halo advertising millions and make their AI as good as a 20-year old game, or why a spartan moves and turns slower than the Doom marine in Doom 1.

Of course, there are exceptions, such as Metroid and Wii shooters.

System Shock/Deus Ex also spoiled Bioshock, as everything that was awesome about them was dumbed-down for the console crowd and I only managed to play it in short spurts to see the end of the story.

Gran Turismo 2 spoiled every other driving game for me, after spending a month unlocking almost a hundred cars, messing around with them and et al, it was hard to go back to the usual arcadey Forza/NFS

After playing Saints Row 2, I don't think I'll be able to enjoy GTA IV.

I've been playing through GTA IV but havent tried Saints Row. Recommend it do you?

Terrik said:

I've been playing through GTA IV but havent tried Saints Row. Recommend it do you?

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Even Yahtzee praised it...

ThatNickGuy said:

After playing Saints Row 2, I don't think I'll be able to enjoy GTA IV.

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After playing GTA IV, I don't think I'll be able to enjoy Saint's Row 2.

You're not the only one who was underwhelmed by Fable 2. It was inferior to the first.

The last boss fight... wow.

No, coz i'm not buggered in the head...

If i could enjoy it once i can do so again, even if i experienced something superior...

Fallout 3 ALMOST ruined S.T.A.L.K.E.R. for me. It redeemed itself with a nice storyline and some odd ways of just sucking me into the game like I would have never expected.

WoW ruined other MMOs for me. So far, at least. Not to say WoW is by any means perfect but I've dropped a ton of time into it and any other MMO I've tried hasn't quite captivated me in the same way...

And I still feel the pangs...

Gusto said:

WoW ruined other MMOs for me. So far, at least. Not to say WoW is by any means perfect but I've dropped a ton of time into it and any other MMO I've tried hasn't quite captivated me in the same way...

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This. The closest I've come to picking up another MMO was Champions, and I gotta say, I think that the character creator is more fun than the game itself.

Terrik said:

Ever have a game ruin another game for you?

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Yes. I'm talking about YOU, Atlanta vs San Francisco!!! :mad2:

The original Dawn of War series ruined Starcraft, Dawn of War 2, and most other RTS games for me.

The Pumes said:

The original Dawn of War series ruined Starcraft, Dawn of War 2, and most other RTS games for me.

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I'm playing the hell out Dark Crusade. It's fun, even if the campaign mode is repetitive and the Tau are CHEATING SONS OF BITCHES.

KOTOR 2

AshburnerX;273423][quote=The Pumes said:

The original Dawn of War series ruined Starcraft, Dawn of War 2, and most other RTS games for me.

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I'm playing the hell out Dark Crusade. It's fun, even if the campaign mode is repetitive and the Tau are CHEATING SONS OF BITCHES.[/QUOTE]

This.

Also Chaos pimp-slap me whenever I play as Eldar or Imperial Guard, I just leave them alone on their two little islands.

The problem is that the Tau XV88 and Elite Firewarriors can shoot farther than the end of the their sight range. This means they will ALWAYS destroy your defenses long before you can see them. It doesn't help they START with a stealth unit that is one of the beat vehicle killers in the game, long before anyone has access to Detectors.

Eh, I pwned all with the IG. It's one of the reasons I was so pissed when DoW 2 game out and the IG weren't one of the races. That is, of course, until I found out that DoW2 pretty much sucked.

I still think the Star/Warcraft games as well as the C&C games are superior, but that doesn't make DoW any less of an awsome game.

UO and SWG pretty much ruin crafting for everyone else

I do love the idea of getting materials and make stuff. UO crafting has change a lot and of course with the new hammers (well not so new since it was like 5 years ago) you can randomly create magical weapons with different level of hammers, materials and reagents. I love it.

I am a crafter in MMO by heart. I love to gather materials and create new stuff. I hope someday there is an MMO where players DO make all the new stuff (Fallen Earth looks interesting) I know EVE does something similar but they are "premade" as in you can't really make unique stuff.

It would be cool if you have all these components that can do different things, but you have to put them together. At least that way a person could have their unique item. A higher level crafter can put "more" into an item, but it would make an item higher level etc etc.

Bowielee said:

Eh, I pwned all with the IG. It's one of the reasons I was so pissed when DoW 2 game out and the IG weren't one of the races. That is, of course, until I found out that DoW2 pretty much sucked.

I still think the Star/Warcraft games as well as the C&C games are superior, but that doesn't make DoW any less of an awsome game.

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The Imperial Guard are easy mode. There really aren't too many problems you can't solve by throwing more Guardsmen or Hellhounds at. Not to mention they get the Baneblade, which can literally destroy entire cities on it's own.

I've completed the game with Tau and IG. I'm doing Necron right now and I'll probably try Chaos next.

AshburnerX;273600][quote=Bowielee said:

Eh, I pwned all with the IG. It's one of the reasons I was so pissed when DoW 2 game out and the IG weren't one of the races. That is, of course, until I found out that DoW2 pretty much sucked.

I still think the Star/Warcraft games as well as the C&C games are superior, but that doesn't make DoW any less of an awsome game.

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The Imperial Guard are easy mode. There really aren't too many problems you can't solve by throwing more Guardsmen or Hellhounds at. Not to mention they get the Baneblade, which can literally destroy entire cities on it's own.

I've completed the game with Tau and IG. I'm doing Necron right now and I'll probably try Chaos next.[/QUOTE]

Now Necrons, THERE's easymode

Actually, I found the races to be pretty well balanced. The only ones I didn't play much with were the sisters of battle and the dark eldar because the franchise was getting pretty long in the tooth by then.

Chaos is great if you can survive until you can start getting advanced units, up till you can build raptors you're pretty wide open to attacks.

While we're talking about DoW, did anyone here finish Soulstorm with a race besides IG, SoB or DEldar?! I could use the saves for something (man, they so need to bring back cheat codes to games)...


Here's some incentive to give me them saves:

Territories









ORKZ




SPACE MARINES




TAU




NECRONS




ELDAR




CHAOS




IMPERIAL GUARD

So, no one has any saves i take it?

Olorin said:

Fantastic contraption ruined World of Goo for me.
If I had played World of Goo first, I would have thought the mechanics were pretty interesting and original, but Fantastic contraption allows for so much more creativity, and it's free as well.

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I played Fantastic Contraption first, and I've gotta say... There's one thing keeping it from being the better game, in my opinion:

Flash.

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They both kinda remind me of The Incredible Machine.

Originality ran it's course some time during the long lives of Adam and Eve... at the moment originality = something you yourself haven't encountered yet.

I never finished GTAIV due to boredom.

Saints Row 2 has officially ruined any chance of me going back and playing through GTAIV. It's just more fun in every way possible.

I would have to say command and conquer 3

Does it count if FFs 4-6 ruined FFs 7-present for me, because those original ones were good and led me to expect deep involving games instead of generic anime-scripted schlock?

Qonas said:

Does it count if FFs 4-6 ruined FFs 7-present for me, because those original ones were good and led me to expect deep involving games instead of generic anime-scripted schlock?

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To be fair, FF7 was the ORIGINAL Anime inspired RPG and it actually had a good plot despite it. Yeah, the "save the world" part sucked, but Cloud's identity crisis was pretty damn good.

I didn't buy the identity crisis bit at all. The amnesia thing was just ripped from countless other fictional works (including the previous, and best, Final Fantasy). In fact, most of the "good plot" of FF7 is just the great stuff from FF6 re-tooled for the moderny anime setting.

Amnesiac main character.
A placeholder villain group bent on world domination, who are ousted in the end by the true villain who wants to destroy (rather than rule) the world.
Uber-powerful "defender" monsters born of the earth.
A peripheral main character dying at the hands of the true villain, teaching us all about love.
Noble non-human character who joins the party.

Granted FF7 isn't that bad but it certainly isn't good, IMO. Everything supposedly good in 7, was done much MUCH better in 6. Except, obviously, graphics. What turned me to actively loathing and bashing the game, aside from gradually getting more and more pissed at how 6 was ignored in favor of 7, is all the Sephiroth love people seem to have. It's comparable to the Twilight nonsense that's going around now. I'm frankly sick and tired of this one-note, whiny, bishou mama's boy somehow getting credit as a good villain when the best villain ever seen in RPG history (Kefka) gets completely passed over because his game happened not to have FMVs.

Eh, My favorite FF villain is still Garland

Amnesiac main character.

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... except Cloud WASN'T an amnesiac. He forged a new personality for himself based on his closest friend after they were both experimented on for months and his friend literally fought off an entire army (play Crisis Core. It's a bad ass scene.) in order to protect him, dying in the process. This, combined with his own self-confidence issues coming form his inability to achieve his dreams, is what set him off the deep end. It's not that he didn't remember his past, but he choose to make a new one because his past didn't measure up to his ideals.

Comparing Cloud to Tina (who really didn't have a past to remember outside of her military training because she was abducted as an infant) is a shaky comparison at best.

Calling her Tina instead of Terra tells me all I need to know really.

Qonas said:

Calling her Tina instead of Terra tells me all I need to know really.

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What, that I got tired of being corrected by 12-year old weeaboos and just decided to give in?

I'm gonna have to go with Qonas here, FF4-6 really did set a storyline/character development bar that FF7 really just didn't hit for me.

FF7 was still a great game though.

Let's be honest all FF games since forever (id say as of 7) have generally sucked a dick.

You're entitled to your stupid opinion.

It's all moot anyway. The best story in a Square-Enix game was, hands down, Vagrant Story.

AshburnerX said:

It's all moot anyway. The best story in a Square-Enix game was, hands down, Final Fantasy Tactics.

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Agreed!

I’ve been playing RPGs since Dragon Warrior and I’ve honestly played and beaten almost every RPG I could get my hands on... including imports. Final Fantasies VII and VIII (if not onwards) are not only horrible games but a disgrace to the genre. This is a huge turn around compared to the older Final Fantasy games who were, correctly, considered to be the greatest games of all time.

When Square released Final Fantasy VII, from the beginning it was clear something was wrong. The game was being marketed with flashy commercials catering to the lame MTV types. It was successful and millions of people were buying an RPG. To me, RPGs aren’t meant to be glitzy or to be sold to people who just buy them because they’re "cool."

Let's be honest, Square mass-marketed their game, cheapened the value of their entire series to appease "to the masses of the mundane" and provided a mediocre product. They made lots of money and the series have become a cash cow whoring themselves like sea monkeys on crack with shoddy RPGs.

Why do FFVII and FFVIII suck? Storyline is a huge problem. FFVII and FFVIII feature lame, boring plots filled with shallow characters. The FFXI experience finished after having to endure the shittiest storyline that I have had the pleasure of seeing. I'd rather rewatch Mystic River or staple my dick to a burning barn than having to endure that again. FFX wasn't AS terrible... but I know I'll get flamed for this... but I enjoyed Blitzball more than the actual game! FFXI... let's not go there... and the last few FF (other than their shitty MMORPG), I can't even CONTROL my characters and have to buy/earn/grind "macros" for them. Jesus Christ, make me die.

FF was never strong on these things but I wanted to point this out. Pop in a game like Xenogears or the Suidoken series (III is best imo) or a bunch of non-Square games and you'll get a real RPG experience. But that's my stupid opinion.




Vagrant story was solid. Yes.

I never said FF were the best.

I do put Xenogears/Suikoden and a number of other RPGs above them. I also agree that FFVII and VIII were annoying.

FFIX had a different charm though. Great atmosphere and a really likeable world as a whole. The villain was a nice "Kefka-esqe" throwback to villainry and the gameplay itself was really solid.

FFX and X-2 have a place in my RPG heart as what there were meant to be "Girly Final Fantasy" and boy did they deliver. The combat system in itself was skipped over by alot of people being turned off by the way the game delivered itself to audiences. Alot of Hardcore FFers didn't play through them or like them because of the massive change of scenery/storylining/characters and casuals couldn't get into them because they got rough on you in the later hours of the games.

FFXI isn't a Final Fantasy so I'm just going to skip that.

FFT and FFTA had some great worlds, characters and all around solid storylining with FFT being the pinacle of Square-Enix storylining compared only to perhaps Xenogears. The combat systems were fantastic, and although the stragegy RPG style had been done before, never as well done and shiny as these two brought it to the table.

I can't get through FFXII to give a real opinion, not because it's a bad game, but because it comes across as a single player MMO, and I have enough online games in my life that I just dont' have room for any others.

Shegokigo;276531][quote=AshburnerX said:

It's all moot anyway. The best story in a Square-Enix game was, hands down, [strike]Final Fantasy Tactics[/strike] Vagrant Story.

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Agreed![/QUOTE]

Vagrant Story did what Final Fantasy Tactics did and did it in shorter game, with fewer characters, and without ALL THE FUCKING GLITCHES. Both where also made by the same team (who also made FFXII) which explains why they are so similar.

Think of it this way: FFT is a Feast while Vagrant Story is a single course meal. Both were made with the same ingredients and by the same Chef, making both delicious. It's just a matter of how much you want to eat.