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Greatest sci fi of the decade??

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Andromache

http://io9.com/5426147/20-greatest-sf-movies-of-the-past-decade

20 Greatest SF Movies Of The Past Decade
The past decade has seen a lot of bloated special-effects brain-sucks... but it's also seen some of the best science-fiction films ever. Superhero films came of age, apocalypses ruled, and interstellar adventures came back. Here are the decade's 20 greatest.

This is, of course, just our opinion, and feel free to disagree in comments. We went back and forth about several of these films, and there were a few others that we almost included instead, so we're not claiming infallibility here. If you want to view this in non-gallery format, click here, and I promise it'll work.

Pitch Black. This is nearly the perfect movie — a gritty anti-hero with weird eyes that can see in the dark is on a prison ship, which crashes on an alien planet. The lurking monsters are ominous and alarming, but the film's real mystery is Riddick himself — the Furyan inspires loathing, hero-worship and a desperate longing for the anti-hero to become a hero by the movie's end. Like Riddick's own eyes, our view of him only really works when we see him through total darkness.

Avatar. I'm going to post my review of this film in a few days, closer to its actual release date. But this is definitely one of the decade's most significant science-fiction films, both in its startling new look and in its elaborate alien world. Sigourney Weaver is one of the few heroic scientists we've seen in movies lately, and she fearlessly spouts facts about the science of Pandora. Avatar is by no means a perfect movie — it's a frustrating mixture of brilliance and utter cheese — but it's clearly an important movie in science-fiction history.

Slither. This movie sort of slid (I'm tempted to say slithered) under the radar, but it's one of the great all-time alien possession movies, and a brilliant metaphor for being trapped in a bad marriage. An alien parasite lands in a small town and takes over a woman's awful husband — and then it starts infecting everyone else in town, so that they all speak with the husband's voice. Wherever the wife goes, she hears her husband talking to her. And then people start getting grotesquely pregnant with alien offspring — this sort of thing is really why body horror was invented.

Star Trek. A young hero reluctantly starts to claim his true destined greatness... only to find out that his whole life has been altered, and maybe wrecked, by time-traveling, tattooed maniacs from the future. It's a weird spin on a Star Trek movie, but considering how hard it was to imagine being thrilled by another Trek after Nemesis, this film is a marvel. Plot holes, frat-boy antics, \"red matter\" and all, it's still the film that recharged Star Trek and may have helped bring back space-opera as a genre. And Spock has never been so... fascinating.

Donnie Darko has garnered an enduring cult fan base, for good reason. Its blend of mysicism and weird physics has aged amazingly well, and we still get lost in its \"tangent universes.\" We keep hoping Richard Kelly will make another film that's both as mind-blowing and as well-constructed as this one.

Robot Stories. Another great movie that didn't get enough props when it came out. Greg Pak, who went on to write the Planet Hulk storyline for Marvel Comics, creates an anthology of three stories about robots that show how much robots are connected to our emotional lives — and what will happen when robots get emotions. In one story, two office robots fall in love, only to find that robot love is forbidden. In another story, a mother becomes determined to help her dying son amass the perfect collection of robot action figures — at any cost, even stealing. You'll see robots in a whole new light after watching this film.

Spider-Man 2. There were a number of superhero films that managed to bring the greatness of comics' storylines to life in the first half of the decade, including two X-Men movies and two Spider-Man movies. For my money, though, this is the best of the bunch, particularly because of Alfred Molina's Doc Octopus. Peter Parker's superpowered angst collides with Doc Octopus' cyborg identity crisis, and both hero and villain seem to be clinging to their identities by a thread. Even though we wish Peter Parker could keep his damn mask on, it's still thrilling and maybe the most perfect straight-up superhero movie of all.

Sleep Dealer. Alex Rivera's look at the dark side of telecommuting is one of the most memorable and intense films we've seen lately. In the future, everything depends on the dollar — you can't even access water reservoirs in Mexico or speak to your family in another town without feeding dollars into a slot. And the only way to get dollars is to get cyber nodes all over your body, allowing your nervous system to pilot machines in the United States. That way the U.S. can import Mexican labor without bringing in actual Mexicans. It's beautifully filmed and harrowing look at the ultimate form of alienated labor.

The Incredibles. The other great straight-up superhero was one of several Pixar films that we wanted to pay tribute to from the past decade. If you were as disappointed as we were by the two Fantastic Four films, then rejoice that this film does the FF right. A surprisingly light-hearted look at super-mutants in a world that learns to fear them, this movie does a better job of portraying what makes superhero comics so awesome than almost any live-action film. And we love the Omnidroid.

The Host. Sorry, Cloverfield — this was the monster-rampage movie we loved from the past few years. Unlike Clovey, the Host actually has a decent if snarky origin story, including weird chemicals dropped in the water by a callous American, causing one of the local creatures to get a little too big (and rambunctious) for comfort. More than almost any other monster movie, this film sucks us into caring about its main characters, a hapless family who operate a failing fast-food stand on the beach — we laugh at their antics and then get hopelessly, tragically, wound up in their fate when they tangle with the monster. Rob and Hud just don't quite measure up.

28 Days Later. Purists may hate this film's \"fast zombies,\" but they're not even really zombies — they're the victims of a \"rage\" virus that stupid animal-rights activists cause to be released onto an unsuspecting world. Of all the apocalyptic scenarios we've seen in the past decade, 28 Days provides the best dose of terror and the sheer horror of society unraveling. When Christopher Eccleston's vicious soldier says the words, \"I promised them women,\" your gut sinks. And the idea that the rage-virus outbreak will cure itself because the quasi-zombies will starve is genuinely clever. We were tempted to include Danny Boyle's other great SF film of the decade, Sunshine, but 28 Days is clearly better.

Paprika. A parade of nonsense images stomps through a man's dreams, forcing him to jump out a window... and it's just the beginning of the mayhem as the dream world collides with reality, in Satoshi Kon's weird exploration of dreams and their potential to tear our world apart. A machine that allows you to enter someone's dreams therapeutically gets stolen, and soon reality itself is being torn apart. Trippy, insane and mind-expanding, this is a film you need to watch more than once.

Primer. Speaking of films you need to watch more than once... few, if any, science-fiction movies talk down to their audiences less than this one. You don't even realize, for a good chunk of the movie, that the geeky characters are building a time machine. and it comes with very realistic and fascinating limitations, even as it allows the main characters to cross their own timelines over and over again, rewriting history in more and more psychotic ways. The walkman scene makes the whole thing worthwhile, just by itself.

Moon. It's interesting how many of the great science-fiction movies of the past decade are about loneliness, one way or the other — but none of them delve into isolation as hauntingly as Duncan Jones' debut feature. Sam Rockwell is amazing as the two versions of Sam Bell, who's tantalizingly close to finishing out his contract on a lunary mining station — until he finds out that things aren't ever what they seem. Add paranoia to the list of things this film does better than almost any other.

Iron Man. As we wrote when this film came out, it's actually more of a cyborg narrative than a superhero one. Jon Favreau and company wisely chose to focus on the heart of Tony Stark's origin — literally, the fusion reactor that keeps his heart from stopping, and turns him into a part-machine badass whose armor is just a shell that goes over his cybernetic body. Tony Stark's uneasy relationship with the military technology that he created parallels his unease with his new technological body — he's like the heroic flipside of Spider-Man 2's Doctor Octopus. And yes, any movie that talks about our dependence on, and unease with, technology automatically gets to leap over the pile of by-the-numbers superhero films.

The Dark Knight. See here for our argument as to why this film really is science fiction. Shorter version: Batman's fantastical technology is at the heart of the story. If Batman Begins showed how Bruce Wayne used technology to become Gotham's fearsome crime-fighter, then The Dark Knight is about how far he's willing to take that approach in the face of a mad bomber.

District 9. Most science-fiction movies, you come out of furiously debating the science or the finer points of the storyline... but this one, people walked out of speechless and shellshocked. Perhaps the ultimate \"humans oppress aliens\" movie, this film confronts us with a perfect allegory of our own inhumanity, through the story of a crashlanded group of aliens who are forced into shantytowns. Even before the main character, Wikus, starts turning into one of the aliens, our loyalties are getting more and more divided.

Wall-E. The other Pixar movie we couldn't help including on the list, this may have been the greatest blend of post-apocalyptic dystopia and cute robots. The love between Wall-E and Eve is both lovable and genuinely moving, and the trademark Pixar humor is in full effect with Wall-E's junkyard slapstick and spaceship antics. The funniest, and maybe the best, robot uprising we've ever seen.

Serenity. Just pretend for a second that this wasn't the continuation of a beloved TV series, and that Joss Whedon had created a whole new universe from scratch just for this film — it would still be one of the most audacious, most memorable, science-fiction films of all time. The story of the Alliance, which maintains a tenuous grip on a sprawling star system after a brutal civil war, and the lengths to which the Alliance will go to try and make people \"better,\" Serenity is one of the great action-adventure films as well as one of the neatest SF concepts ever. When you discover the secrets of Miranda and see how River Tam becomes both the messenger and the avenger of Miranda's people, it's hard not to jump up and down in your seat.

Eternal Sunshine Of The Spotless Mind. How far are you willing to go to get over a lost love? Are you willing to injure yourself — by erasing a huge chunk of your brief time on this planet from your own mind — just to get back at your former lover? This Charlie Kaufman/Michel Gondry joint does what all the best science fiction does: it creates a fictional technology that has the potential to change who we are as people, and then it uses it to tell a deeply personal story. The scenes where Jim Carrey and Kate Winslet are wandering through Carrey's childhood memories are both unsettling and poignant, as Carrey tries to hold on to the love he was in the process of throwing away — by letting her into more of his mind.


Send an email to Charlie Jane Anders, the author of this post, at charliejane@io9.com.
I heartily disagree with this list, in parts. What's your list?


#2

Hailey Knight

Hailey Knight

I don't think I saw enough of them to justify a list of my own, so I'm just going to pick at this one (also, this will get moved to Media).

Dark Knight does not belong on that list, and it's a ridiculous stretch to call it sci-fi. Incredibles is slightly less of a stretch, and Spider-man 2 even less. Iron Man is the only superhero movie that I feel is correctly there.

Paprika was very good and interesting, but if we're going to get into anime, I have a feeling there were a LOT of interesting sci-fi anime films that came out in the last 10 years that should probably bop some other stuff off this list.

Slither... No. I loved it, it's a hilarious and creepy movie, but it's not a great movie.

District 9, Donnie Darko (which borders on fantasy, really), Serenity, Wall-E, Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, and Iron Man I agree with.


#3

Null

Null

District 9 for sure. That's one of my favorite movies by far right now, and one of the best science fiction movies I've ever seen.

I really liked Pitch Black and to a lesser extent, Chronicles of Riddick - the latter was attempting something on the scale of Dune and I applaud it's style and it's daring. I think it was a bigger vision than they were able to pull off, but it was grand and ambitious.

Star Trek was a fantastic movie, enjoyable, well acted, and held together. It respected the source but wasn't afraid to do its own thing when it better served the story.

28 Days Later isn't sci-fi, it's horror. "Science" plays no real part in the story other than the origin of the virus - if the story had been about finding a cure, than maybe, but really it's just about surviving the immediately dangerous situation and the vulnerability of the individual.

Equilibrium was, on the other hand, definitely sci-fi - it's rooted in three classic science fiction novels: 1984, Brave New World, and Fahrenheit 451 and illustrates a society regulated and controlled by science at the cost of human emotion.


#4

ElJuski

ElJuski

Yeah, they're playing with the Science Fiction bit a little bit. For it to be science fiction, and not fantasy, there has to be logical rules set in the technology. Otherwise it's just Fantasy.


#5

Dave

Dave

My list would have Eternal at the top but Wall-E would never be seen on it.

Much to the chagrin of CajunGal.


#6

Thread Necromancer

Thread Necromancer

tl;dr.

hang overs suck. however I'm marking this for a read later.

crone said:
shake things up! Chaos as it is, isn't, and there's plenty rum for those that play dumb!
You know I love you. why do you insist on making me say it?


#7

Null

Null

Yeah, they're playing with the Science Fiction bit a little bit. For it to be science fiction, and not fantasy, there has to be logical rules set in the technology. Otherwise it's just Fantasy.
Or it has to deal with science-fiction concepts - the effects of a longevity drug on humanity, for example, or the nature of artificial intelligences and what (if anything) will make them different from organic intelligences; the interaction between the human and the alien, etc.

Star Wars is fantasy in a sci-fi setting - it is about magic and adventure and heroic deeds, not about ideas.


#8

PatrThom

PatrThom

I've only seen 4 of these movies (Avatar, Pitch Black, The Incredibles, and Iron Man) so far. For the most part, I have to agree with their assessments, though I do have to say that Iron Man's plot was a little weak. This is also somewhat true of Avatar, but the story flow in Avatar wasn't as jerky as in Iron Man.

I have The Dark Knight and Serenity, but they haven't made it off the 'to be watched' list yet, so I have no comment.

The ones on the list that I want to watch most are Wall-E & District 9. They're the ones that interest me the most of the listed ones I haven't yet seen.

I'm actually surprised at some of the movies that didn't make the list (Transformers, The Island, X-men series, Signs, I, Robot, etc). Not because they're cinematic masterpieces, but instead because they were so buzzworthy when they came out. I'm just so used to seeing them in these sorts of lists. The fact that they're not listed makes me actually treat this list a bit more seriously.

The only movie I can think of that I'm kinda disappointed didn't make the list would probably be Frequency.

(If you want to weigh in but like me can't remember what movies came out 2000-2010, you might want to click on this link for some reference. It's sorted by box office gross just to keep the TV shows off the top of the list)

--Patrick


#9

Charlie Don't Surf

The Lovely Boehner

Came in to get mad that Moon wasn't on the list, left satisfied by being wrong.


#10

Thread Necromancer

Thread Necromancer

.... left satisfied
sure. but what about the list?


#11

Charlie Don't Surf

The Lovely Boehner

Notable omissions imo: Knowing, Children of Men, The Mist, Sunshine(don't care if it's a double Boyle dip), The Prestige, The Fountain.

Avatar, Dark Knight, and Serenity have absolutely no business being on that list.


#12

Thread Necromancer

Thread Necromancer

I think my point was missed. My fault for not being clear.


#13

Espy

Espy

Notable omissions imo: Knowing, The Mist, Sunshine(don't care if it's a double Boyle dip), The Prestige, The Fountain.

Avatar, Dark Knight, and Serenity have absolutely no business being on that list.
Yes! Most people don't ever see the science fiction part of The Mist... It's such a great sci-fi pulp story wrapped in horror.

Also: Sunshine is so terribly underrated.


#14

Charlie Don't Surf

The Lovely Boehner

I think my point was missed. My fault for not being clear.
Ohh ffffffffffffft sorry I am dense sometimes.


#15

Thread Necromancer

Thread Necromancer

I won't hold it against you. only because I'm a friendly drunk.

mostly.

sometimes.

*slaps TLB with a gauntlet*


#16

Hailey Knight

Hailey Knight

I'm actually surprised at some of the movies that didn't make the list (Transformers, The Island, X-men series, Signs, I, Robot, etc)
Because the list is trying to be about 20 greatest sci-fi of the decade, not cataloging various sci-fi movies.


#17

PatrThom

PatrThom

Because the list is [...] not cataloging various sci-fi movies.
You read the last sentence of that paragraph, right?

--Patrick


#18

Hailey Knight

Hailey Knight

Because the list is [...] not cataloging various sci-fi movies.
You read the last sentence of that paragraph, right?

--Patrick[/QUOTE]

Yeah, and I said why those aren't there. Not accusing you of liking The Island or Transformers.


#19

Calleja

Calleja

Notable omissions imo: Knowing, Children of Men, The Mist, Sunshine(don't care if it's a double Boyle dip), The Prestige, The Fountain.

Avatar, Dark Knight, and Serenity have absolutely no business being on that list.
WHAT?!


#20

Chad Sexington

Garbledina

Notable omissions imo: Knowing, Children of Men, The Mist, Sunshine(don't care if it's a double Boyle dip), The Prestige, The Fountain.

Avatar, Dark Knight, and Serenity have absolutely no business being on that list.
WHAT?![/QUOTE]
No, I agree. I really liked Serenity but I'd place it more as a fantasy/space opera type than a sci-fi show, myself.


#21

Charlie Don't Surf

The Lovely Boehner

Serenity is Sci-Fi, but it's not one of the top 20 of the entire decade.


#22

Calleja

Calleja

The hell it isn't!!!

Charlie, we're officially enemies again.


#23

Charlie Don't Surf

The Lovely Boehner

The hell it isn't!!!

Charlie, we're officially enemies again.
Alright, if you insist, let me just look through this file again...sweet, found it:

"Stop talking about your sex life no one cares, the beatles suck"


#24

phil

phil

Notable omissions imo: Knowing, Children of Men, The Mist, Sunshine(don't care if it's a double Boyle dip), The Prestige, The Fountain.

Avatar, Dark Knight, and Serenity have absolutely no business being on that list.
WHAT?![/QUOTE]


Have you just met Charles here? He'll take any opportunity to proclaim that firefly and serenity was overrated. Just agree to disagree and let the world keep on spinnin'.


#25

Adam

Adammon

The best part of Serenity were the outtakes. True facts.


#26

ElJuski

ElJuski

I watched a handful of episodes of Firefly. Saw Serenity. I think its one of those things nerds take way out of proportion. It's a decent show, I guess.


#27

Hailey Knight

Hailey Knight

Notable omissions imo: Knowing, Children of Men, The Mist, Sunshine(don't care if it's a double Boyle dip), The Prestige, The Fountain.

Avatar, Dark Knight, and Serenity have absolutely no business being on that list.
WHAT?![/QUOTE]


Have you just met Charles here? He'll take any opportunity to proclaim that anything was overrated. Just agree to disagree and let the world keep on spinnin'.[/QUOTE]

Fixed.


#28

Charlie Don't Surf

The Lovely Boehner

I like lots of things. I just don't like some of the things that everyone loves here.


#29

Troll

Troll

I like lots of things. I just don't like some of the things that everyone loves here.
... and for that, you must be punished.


#30

Calleja

Calleja

The hell it isn't!!!

Charlie, we're officially enemies again.
Alright, if you insist, let me just look through this file again...sweet, found it:

"Stop talking about your sex life no one cares, the beatles suck"[/QUOTE]

:angry:


#31



Andromache

well, I'm mildly glad to know where Charlie went. Whatever happened to his partner?


#32

ElJuski

ElJuski

A bunch of moronic threads on gay rights sent him into exile.


#33

ThatNickGuy

ThatNickGuy

Yeah, a lot of this list is a big stretch in the definition of "sci-fi". I love Incredibles, Dark Knight and Spidey, but they're superhero movies, not sci-fi. I'll give Iron Man the benefit of doubt because it's pretty grounded with a lot of cool sci-fi stuff going on. 28 Days Later and The Host are great horror movies, but not sci-fi.

The rest? Aside from the ridiculously overrated Donnie Darko, I can agree with. Though I agree with Charlie (I'm surprised as you are) with Children of Men. VERY happy to see Moon on there. Also agree with Sunshine deserving to be there.

I don't know about The Mist being sci-fi. There's not a lot of science behind it. Great horror/monster flick? Totally. I effing loved it. As a sci-fi? Not so much.

And Serenity has a lot more right to be there than the piece of crap Knowing has.

Now, since I disagree with about two thirds of the list? Here's a few I think have a proper place:
-Iron Giant
-City of Ember (I just really dug the concept)

Damnit, I can't think of any others off the top of my head. =/


#34

Hailey Knight

Hailey Knight

The Iron Giant was 1999.


#35

Calleja

Calleja

Indeed it is.


#36



Philosopher B.

Serenity had it all. Action, humor, characters you cared about when they died unexpectedly, and a last battle that had me convinced every single character was going to go up in smoke. The last 45 minutes were some intense shit. Its biggest flaws, to me, came from the fact that there was too much of the characters' stories left over from the show still to tell; despite that, however, I think it did a damn fine job.


#37

ThatNickGuy

ThatNickGuy

The Iron Giant was 1999.
Whoops, was it? I thought it squeaked by into 2000. Maybe I'm thinking of the video release (when I saw it for the first time).


#38



Kitty Sinatra

I had to look up the year for Dark City.


#39

Troll

Troll

I think some people's definition of "sci fi" is a wee bit strict.


#40

Charlie Don't Surf

The Lovely Boehner

I think some people's definition of "sci fi" is a wee bit strict.
Go on.


#41

Hailey Knight

Hailey Knight

I think some people's definition of "sci fi" is a wee bit strict.
And some are too broad. A couple of those are such a stretch that going by the list's logic, you could call The Simpsons Movie sci-fi because it was all about that big dome. And it has that one scientist character!


#42



Andromache

my list does not differentiate between live action, animated or anime, as they are different mediums to me, not genre

Frequency
Titan A.E.
Artificial Intelligence: AI
Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within
Minority Report
Animatrix
Paycheck
Innocence: Ghost in the Shell
Serenity
The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
War of The Worlds (starring Dakota Fanning and some dude)
A Scanner Darkly
The Children of Men
I am Legend
Iron Man
Star Trek
District 9
Moon


#43

Null

Null

I'd be tempted to make the case for X-Men and X-2, but though it's based off scientific ideas - genetic mutation, evolution to the superhuman - it's a superhero movie, not science fiction. Why? Because it's not about the nature of human evolution, it's about people with superpowers kicking the asses of bad people who also have superheroes.


#44

ElJuski

ElJuski

Once again, what makes something technically science-fiction is that the universe has a logical, technical base. Just because it has "science" or "technology" or takes place in the future doesn't make it science-fiction. In science-fiction, the universe can be logically explained. In fantasy, it doesn't matter. Therefore, most super-heroes are fantasy, and not science fiction.


#45

Null

Null

Yeah, that's pretty much what I was getting at. Spaceships don't make it science fiction, as Star Wars amply proves.


#46

ElJuski

ElJuski

Word


#47

Null

Null

I don't think I've seen too many real Science Fiction movies this decade, honestly.

Frequency was really good, I'd forgotten about that one. I didn't like AI or Animatrix. I consider Iron Man to be more of a superhero movie but it was enjoyable. Most of the others that have been mentioned so far, I just haven't seen.


#48

Calleja

Calleja

Watch "Moon". Seriously. Science Fiction AND a great effin' flick.


#49

Null

Null

Yeah, I'd like to see Moon, Children of Men, and Serenity.


#50

Charlie Don't Surf

The Lovely Boehner

Yeah, I'd like to see Moon, Children of Men, and Serenity.
Look, I'll stop after this, but I am all boggling so hard and nerd-raging seeing Serenity constantly mentioned among Moon and CoM. AUGH.


#51

Calleja

Calleja

Serenity is vastly superior to Children of Men in every single way. There is absolutely nothing, nada, about Children of Men that is even one iota better than anything in Serenity. Not a thing, not acting, not music, not photography, nothing whatsoever. Children of Men is the most overrated movie since Babel. It's not even original, it feels like a watered down "artsy" copy of Y: The Last Man, but in a not awesome way... with the cinematographic feeling of "Y Tu Mamá También" but in an apocalyptic setting.

And I'm a big supporter of Alfonso Cuarón... but.. no. Just no. It's a pretty forgettable movie.


#52

Charlie Don't Surf

The Lovely Boehner

Serenity is vastly superior to Children of Men in every single way. There is absolutely nothing, nada, about Children of Men that is even one iota better than anything in Serenity. Not a thing, not acting, not music, not photography, nothing whatsoever. Children of Men is the most overrated movie since Babel. It's not even original, it feels like a watered down "artsy" copy of Y: The Last Man, but in a not awesome way.

And I'm a big supporter of Alfonso Cuarón... but.. no. Just no. It's a pretty forgettable movie.
Are you trolling me


#53

Calleja

Calleja

I'm being a bit hyperbolic, maybe, but also sincere. I think Children of Men is extremely overrated. It's the type of movie I usually love, from a writer/director I really feel like supporting cause he's giving Mexicans a good name in Hollywood.... but CoM was.. I'm not gonna say crap, because it wasn't, but I would never see it again.


#54

Chad Sexington

Garbledina

I just watched Primer because it was mentioned in that list, and I have a soft-spot for small-budget cult films. Fuck that movie is a trip. I recommend it just to be confused. It's really good.


#55



Andromache

Once again, what makes something technically science-fiction is that the universe has a logical, technical base. Just because it has "science" or "technology" or takes place in the future doesn't make it science-fiction. In science-fiction, the universe can be logically explained. In fantasy, it doesn't matter. Therefore, most super-heroes are fantasy, and not science fiction.
i lol'd


#56

Charlie Don't Surf

The Lovely Boehner

I would rather go on and on about the merits of Children of Men than trash Serenity again, but really. Originality? There has never been a group of ragtag crew members on the run from an evil space empire before. Not ever. And the same writer didn't make Aliens Ressurrection either, which I hear is really similar to Firefly/Serenity. Nope.


#57

Calleja

Calleja

Watch Y Tu Mamá También, which is were Cuarón made the Children of Men style first. Where it was still original and not since copied by a trillion different indie films. The same far shots with every dialog, the same camera movements. He recycled his own work. And then took the script idea from any number of apocalyptic movies with a Y: The Last Man essence that feels dirty... unclean... stale.

Nevermind the completely predictable script, that I can even forgive if the ride is worth it. But it's not. It's stale and boring is what it is.


#58

Charlie Don't Surf

The Lovely Boehner

I don't think a directorial style being used by the same director or a hundred other movies does anything to take away from the look of a given movie. And... uh, he can't rip himself off? Kubrick wasn't stealing his own work, nor Scorsese or any other number of famous directors that use the same style. It's just them doing what they do.


#59

Null

Null

I don't give a shit what you assholes think about the movies, I just want to fucking see them. I liked Firefly, I just haven't gotten around to seeing Serenity. I like Sam Rockwell, and I liked Solaris, and looks sort of what the trailer for Moon looked like. I think the idea behind Children of Men is interesting, so I'd like to see it at some point, too. What I want to see has nothing to do with your opinions or hype.


#60

figmentPez

figmentPez

Once again, what makes something technically science-fiction is that the universe has a logical, technical base. Just because it has "science" or "technology" or takes place in the future doesn't make it science-fiction. In science-fiction, the universe can be logically explained. In fantasy, it doesn't matter. Therefore, most super-heroes are fantasy, and not science fiction.
I say we should forget drawing a line between the two. The Discworld novels didn't cease to be fantasy because there has been more and more of a logical, technical base to the story elements. (Most notably the "clacks" system of telegraph towers). Nor do science fiction tales like David Brin's "Kiln People" or Arthur C. Clarke's "2001: A Space Odyssey" cease to be science fiction near the end of the story when they start touching on metaphysical questions that get away from the technical base of the story, and in many ways defy logical explanation.


#61



Andromache

Bit off topic, but it relates to Chuck's statement: whedon's A.R. script wasn't used as he liked, or as he meant it to, so it's a bit of a stretch to say that this was the same guy who made AR. He didn't have any executive control over AR director/producer use of his script.

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I don't give a shit what you assholes think .
Then how can you expect anyone cares about what you think, hmm? It's pretty goofy to expect credibility for your POV if you lend none for others


#62

Calleja

Calleja

I've had some great recommendations from the forum and value the opinion of several posters. Except Charlie's. He hates Serenity.


#63

Charlie Don't Surf

The Lovely Boehner

I'm too lazy to look it up, but I also think that he said somewhere that he re-did/repurposed a lot of the stuff in AR for Firefly/Serenity.

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I've had some great recommendations from the forum and value the opinion of several posters. Except Charlie's. He hates Serenity.
I actually don't hate Serenity, I just think it's a really average movie.


#64



Andromache

i couldn't hold any of whedon's works up as technically awesome, but I'm a sucker for dialogue that makes me giggle, in this case. In my list above, I tried to choose true stand out films that added something to the genre, without being restricted to classically sci fi, though quite a few fantasy/horror films were ditched.

I'm actually not very happy with Sta Trek's inclusion, with the above in mind, except that as a remake goes, it actually felt more fresh than stale.

But I'll leave ElJubray's neat little box definition alone, because although I dont believe in Santa Claus, no reason someone else can't.


#65

Calleja

Calleja

Whatever, you suck and I hope you are stranded in a desert island with nothing but a copy of children of men so you finally get how boring that movie is.

This was for charlie.


#66



Andromache

Whatever, you suck and I hope you are stranded in a desert island with nothing but a copy of children of men so you finally get how boring that movie is.

This was for charlie.
Don't hate me Frosty, I liked CoM and Serenity, just for different reasons. It's like being bisexual, you know? Surely you understand that (ignore that last bit if you arent bi, I can't remember who is anymore)


#67

Calleja

Calleja

That comment was directed at Lovely Boner, you posted seconds before me and I was too lazy to edit the quote in.

And I've said I WISH I were bi... but I'm not. :/


#68

fade

fade

Serenity was okay. It was nice in that Whedon and Co. did a good job making the universe feel established and real, but I also got the recycled feel from it. I don't draw too many connections to AR, though. That's a stretch. I've said it before: I don't like Whedon's fakely peppy dialogue (and no, that doesn't mean I don't understand how real conversation works or that it's meant to be fiction, or whatever take-what-I-said-to-the-extreme argument someone made last time I said that). "I'm a mass murdering hitman--let's talk about my feelings." I don't feel anything for River's character--I just don't care. But all in all, I wouldn't call it a top 20. The show was far superior. Serenity felt like a hobbled Firefly.


#69

ElJuski

ElJuski

Haha, the pissy pants got kicked into high gear in here, huh.

As for the distinctions: I'm talking from a writer's /aesthetic perspective. From a technical point, there is a distinction. But really, in the end, who fucking cares what bargain bin you find it in? Genres melt, mold, molt, conform, combine, and inspire. Such is art.

Also, oh my god Children of Men is a beautifully shot, masterfully acted and well-written. SO much better than Serenity.


#70

Hailey Knight

Hailey Knight

Haha, the pissy pants got kicked into high gear in here, huh.
So, how's Charlie's cock taste this time of year?

[/Chazzing]


#71

Espy

Espy

Haha, the pissy pants got kicked into high gear in here, huh.

As for the distinctions: I'm talking from a writer's /aesthetic perspective. From a technical point, there is a distinction. But really, in the end, who fucking cares what bargain bin you find it in? Genres melt, mold, molt, conform, combine, and inspire. Such is art.

Also, oh my god Children of Men is a beautifully shot, masterfully acted and well-written. SO much better than Serenity.
One is a pulp space western and one is a high drama science fiction oscar gold flick. I think they are both great films but for widely different reasons and for me comparing them would be almos impossible t.


#72

phil

phil

Watch Y Tu Mamá También, which is were Cuarón made the Children of Men style first. Where it was still original and not since copied by a trillion different indie films. The same far shots with every dialog, the same camera movements. He recycled his own work. And then took the script idea from any number of apocalyptic movies with a Y: The Last Man essence that feels dirty... unclean... stale.

Nevermind the completely predictable script, that I can even forgive if the ride is worth it. But it's not. It's stale and boring is what it is.
Children of men was based off of a book that was published 10 years before Y: the last man.


#73



Andromache

I don't like Whedon's fakely peppy dialogue
It's nice to have these little encapsulated reminders of why I can't stand you.

Haha, the pissy pants got kicked into high gear in here, huh.
...
As for the distinctions: I'm talking from a writer's /aesthetic perspective. From a technical point, there is a distinction.
its like Booger from nerds just put on coke bottle glasses and started defending his view on computer programming.

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One is a pulp space western and one is a high drama science fiction oscar gold flick. I think they are both great films but for widely different reasons and for me comparing them would be almos impossible t.
my reigning criteria for great films is how often I'll rewatch them AI was a great film, that I cant bear to watch, whereas I watch fakey preppy Serenity at least once a month. Escapist fiction is sooo lowbrow, right?


#74

Calleja

Calleja

Oddly enough, given the murdering contempt you have for me, our criteria for how good a film is seems to be the same. I'd never sit through Children of Men again, yet I'd never switch the channel if I ran into Hook.

Yes, I think Hook is vastly superior than Children of Men.


#75

ElJuski

ElJuski

Haha, the pissy pants got kicked into high gear in here, huh.

As for the distinctions: I'm talking from a writer's /aesthetic perspective. From a technical point, there is a distinction. But really, in the end, who fucking cares what bargain bin you find it in? Genres melt, mold, molt, conform, combine, and inspire. Such is art.

Also, oh my god Children of Men is a beautifully shot, masterfully acted and well-written. SO much better than Serenity.
One is a pulp space western and one is a high drama science fiction oscar gold flick. I think they are both great films but for widely different reasons and for me comparing them would be almos impossible t.[/QUOTE]

Well, you can't compare apples and oranges. But you can say that the orange tasted much better. I've had better apples.

oh god what am I doing.

Also Crone: I know, all my school learnuns is smoke up the ass. I cope.

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Also, there's definitely a time and a place for low brow fare. There's still a way to do "dumb" right...or wrong...or decent...or anything else. Just being "low brow" doesn't concede it's entertainment, but it shouldn't make it impossible to criticize either.


#76

Espy

Espy

Espy;358104 said:
Haha, the pissy pants got kicked into high gear in here, huh.

As for the distinctions: I'm talking from a writer's /aesthetic perspective. From a technical point, there is a distinction. But really, in the end, who fucking cares what bargain bin you find it in? Genres melt, mold, molt, conform, combine, and inspire. Such is art.

Also, oh my god Children of Men is a beautifully shot, masterfully acted and well-written. SO much better than Serenity.
One is a pulp space western and one is a high drama science fiction oscar gold flick. I think they are both great films but for widely different reasons and for me comparing them would be almos impossible t.
Well, you can't compare apples and oranges. But you can say that the orange tasted much better. I've had better apples.

oh god what am I doing.
I DON'T KNOW:Leyla:
Well, thats the thing, you CAN compare apples and oranges, both are fruit, but in the end they have enough differences that the comparison go only go so far.

Also, there's definitely a time and a place for low brow fare. There's still a way to do "dumb" right...or wrong...or decent...or anything else. Just being "low brow" doesn't concede it's entertainment, but it shouldn't make it impossible to criticize either.
Oh, Serenity/Firefly is totally open to criticism. I know it has some really weak stuff in it, but I love the characters and the dialogue the designs, etc. Why? It speaks to the pulp lover in me, I grew up reading sci-fi and horror trash and it really brings all that to life for me.

Also @Crone: Once a month???? Wow... I mean, I love Firefly/Serenity and we do at least a yearly watch through of the whole thing but I don't think there is anything I can watch once a month.


#77

Charlie Don't Surf

The Lovely Boehner

in the last year and a half, I've probably watched Talledega Nights on average, once a week.


#78

fade

fade

I don't like Whedon's fakely peppy dialogue
It's nice to have these little encapsulated reminders of why I can't stand you.

[/QUOTE]

I said "fakely peppy", not "fakey preppy". Kind of a big difference. It's also a big leap to assume that I was calling it lowbrow (or that I think lowbrow is bad) just because I don't like that dialogue style.

But you're right. A difference of opinion on a movie is an awesome reason to dislike someone.


#79

Hailey Knight

Hailey Knight

in the last year and a half, I've probably watched Talledega Nights on average, once a week.
What.


#80



Kitty Sinatra

Yeah, he's seen it like 300 times.


#81

Dream Goddess

Dream Goddess

Haha, the pissy pants got kicked into high gear in here, huh.
So, how's Charlie's cock taste this time of year?

[/Chazzing][/QUOTE]

Like chocolate, rainbows, and bunnies. It's all the fur that makes it bunny flavored (guess it's that Easter-y time of year and all)...right, Juski, my main gay man? *high five* Just like furry, chocolate covered Skittles. DELICOUS.


#82

Charlie Don't Surf

The Lovely Boehner

in the last year and a half, I've probably watched Talledega Nights on average, once a week.
What.[/QUOTE]

I have a group of friends that all love the movie. A lot of party nights we end up starting off watching it, and then watching it possibly again at like 2-3am when we're all passing out/most people have gone. It's just a go-to movie. Whenever people visit or new/different friends of ours are around that haven't seen it, we have to show it to them. It's just monumentally funny and gets funnier every single time we watch it. And funnier if you play the shake and bake drinking game.


#83

Hailey Knight

Hailey Knight

in the last year and a half, I've probably watched Talledega Nights on average, once a week.
What.[/QUOTE]

I have a group of friends that all love the movie. A lot of party nights we end up starting off watching it, and then watching it possibly again at like 2-3am when we're all passing out/most people have gone. It's just a go-to movie. Whenever people visit or new/different friends of ours are around that haven't seen it, we have to show it to them. It's just monumentally funny and gets funnier every single time we watch it. And funnier if you play the shake and bake drinking game.[/QUOTE]

I just... I'm a movie lover. There are movies I adore. I just can't see watching anything with that frequency, no matter how great. It's just mind-boggling.


#84

fade

fade

Talladega Nights was stupid, and I felt dumber for having watched it. Thankfully it was on tv.


#85

Calleja

Calleja

Yeah, you can't watch Talladega Nights once a week and diss Serenity. I'm sorry, you just can't.


#86



Kitty Sinatra

What have you got against TV viewers, fade?


#87



Andromache

I don't like Whedon's fakely peppy dialogue
It's nice to have these little encapsulated reminders of why I can't stand you.

[/QUOTE]

I said "fakely peppy", not "fakey preppy". Kind of a big difference. It's also a big leap to assume that I was calling it lowbrow (or that I think lowbrow is bad) just because I don't like that dialogue style.

But you're right. A difference of opinion on a movie is an awesome reason to dislike someone.[/QUOTE]


it's not the only reason, just a reminder of the many, many reasons.


#88

Espy

Espy

I love Talledaga Nights. :angry:


#89



Andromache

in the last year and a half, I've probably watched Talledega Nights on average, once a week.
What.[/QUOTE]

I have a group of friends that all love the movie. A lot of party nights we end up starting off watching it, and then watching it possibly again at like 2-3am when we're all passing out/most people have gone. It's just a go-to movie. Whenever people visit or new/different friends of ours are around that haven't seen it, we have to show it to them. It's just monumentally funny and gets funnier every single time we watch it. And funnier if you play the shake and bake drinking game.[/QUOTE]

wow, now I don't feel so bad. Thanks Chuck, you're a stand up fellar.

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I love Talledaga Nights. :angry:
I love your wife in ways that offend the Lord. Doesn't make it right, either. :)


#90

phil

phil

I kind of want to watch Serenity or Children of Men right now.

I don't know why


#91

Hailey Knight

Hailey Knight

Put both on, at once, next to each other.

I don't know why.


#92



Philosopher B.

Do it while eating an apple and an orange.

I don't know why.


#93

phil

phil

You two are in my think tank now. We're going to solve world problems, or mysteries.


#94



Andromache

my darwinism, i love this forum,


#95

Calleja

Calleja

?


#96

Hailey Knight

Hailey Knight

You two are in my think tank now. We're going to solve world problems, or mysteries.


#97

fade

fade

it's not the only reason, just a reminder of the many, many reasons.
Okay.


#98

PatrThom

PatrThom

I had to look up the year for Dark City.
If it had been released 2000-2010 but wasn't on there, I would have lost complete faith in that list. Dark City is an absolutely perfect 1950's pulp Sci-Fi novel plot faithfully translated directly to screen. Yes, even better than Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow.

**Frequency
**Titan A.E.
**Artificial Intelligence: AI
**Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within
*Minority Report (have the VHS, haven't watched it yet)
**Animatrix (reminded me a lot of Heavy Metal but with more coherence)
Paycheck
Innocence: Ghost in the Shell
*Serenity (have the DVD, haven't watched it yet)
*The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy (have DVD on loan, haven't watched it yet)
War of The Worlds (starring Dakota Fanning and some dude) (Did you mean ?)
*A Scanner Darkly (mostly curious about this one)
*The Children of Men (have DVD on loan, haven't watched it yet)
*I am Legend (want to see for myself)
**Iron Man
*Star Trek (again, curiosity)
*District 9 (really want to see this one)
*Moon (want to at least rent it someday and watch it with Kati)
*=movie I want to see, **=movie

Man, but I'm behind in my viewing.

--Patrick


#99

ElJuski

ElJuski

Haha, the pissy pants got kicked into high gear in here, huh.
So, how's Charlie's cock taste this time of year?

[/Chazzing][/QUOTE]

Like chocolate, rainbows, and bunnies. It's all the fur that makes it bunny flavored (guess it's that Easter-y time of year and all)...right, Juski, my main gay man? *high five* Just like furry, chocolate covered Skittles. DELICOUS.[/QUOTE]

?


#100



Rubicon

Hmm this appears to be only for movies.

There were far better scifi tv shows this past decade, i.e. Firefly, Farscape, Doctor Who (2005 relaunch), Lost, etc, than there movies


#101

tegid

tegid

You can't really compare a tv show to a movie... But if we have to, Children of Men and District 9 are so good I can't agree with you.


#102



Andromache

War of The Worlds (starring Dakota Fanning and some dude) (Did you mean this dude?)

--Patrick
nope. I don't think Coulton was in that film. Some other dude.


#103

SpecialKO

SpecialKO

My definition of sci-fi would include the so-called "soft" sci-fi, which I feel definitely includes films like Serenity and Pitch Black.

I would not include Avatar, personally, because that movie really irritated me, but I understand why some would.

District 9, yes.

Children of Men, yes.

Present-day setting super-hero movies, I would not include as sci-fi, even Iron-man.

Minority Report, yes.

Animatrix, not exactly a movie, but it would be an honorable mention here. Pity the Matrix was 1999.

Innocence: Ghost in the Shell, I would substitute with the SAC movie, which I think is better, personally. If we're allowing double-dipping, I would have both.

A Scanner Darkly, yes.

Star Trek, hell yeah.

Sunshine, more Boyle love here.

I haven't seen Moon, so no comment.

The Prestige is sort of a sleeper sci-fi movie, but I think it counts.

Cloverfield is borderline horror, but in the end, I think it counts.


Oh, and don't forget the greatest science fiction movie of them all, An Inconvenient Truth.

</GB>
:sneaky:


#104

Covar

Covar

Firefly is miles above Serenity. If I didn't love Firefly I probably would have hated the movie.


#105

Morphine

Morphine

Am I the only one who hasn't seen Serenity? =(

Anywho... I really really liked Children of Men, it's definitely in my top 10 or so.

Moon, I absolutely LOVED. It's the kinda movie that leaves you with a longlasting bittersweet aftertaste. I loved it.
My hat comes off for District 9 as well, first of all I loved that it wasn't set in NY or Washington or anywhere in the States, that's such a cliché, I can't stand it anymore. Second of all, well, the story, the acting, the photography, everything is great.
Paprika I also liked BUT I personally don't see it as sci-fi it's pretty much just fantasy, really bizarre and colorful, just like I like 'em.
Cloverfield sucked. So many inconsistencies, so pretencious, prrrrt.


#106

PatrThom

PatrThom

Am I the only one who hasn't seen Serenity? =(
No, you're not alone. I've owned the DVD for about 3 years now, still haven't even broken the shrink wrap. Same goes for the box set of the Firefly series. We won some credit at a video store a while back, went to town. Haven't gotten through it all yet.

--Patrick


#107

General Specific

General Specific

Saw "Moon" out at best buy the other week and bought it. Watched it today and I gotta say, you guys were right. It is a great movie. I really enjoyed it. Thanks.


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