Intel chip upgrade via the web??

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If Apple were to do the same thing, ie - a 64GB iPad with 3G, but you could only use 16GB and WiFi until you paid for an "upgrade" at the same cost as the 16GB WiFi iPad, would people still be complaining about this?

The CPU is a black box. Intel is charging less for a crippled chip, but giving people the option to unlock existing functionality later if they desire.

I personally wouldn't buy into it, but there are end-users that would benefit from this more than from buying the better processor out of the gate.

There are, of course, going to be a ton of people that will object to the "hardware as a service" model. It was what essentially doomed the original DIVX DVD rental disc.

But hey, you know, if you don't want it, don't buy it. It seems that people are saying this is a step backwards, or is even evil. It's a product and market segmentation technique, what is so "evil" about it?

If you could get a fast i7 quad core machine that was locked to two cores for the cost of a two core machine, knowing that you could upgrade it instantly online later, you might make that choice if you don't have the money now for the full setup.

However, there are some interesting questions I'm curious about: Is the change permanent (does it alter the silicon/flash/eeprom/non-volatile storage on chip) or does it require software to unlock it each time it's powered up? Does the unlock work on all popular operating systems, or is it limited to just windows? How is the hardware enabled in the CPU - in other words is an unlocked X the same as an X that doesn't require unlocking (ie, are there additional logic paths for the lock/unlock bits that slow the processor down)? Once unlocked can I play with the bits and selectively disable portions of the processor for either power savings, or for performance testing/tweaking? How do you meet the yeti zombie in PvZ?
 
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First Lady Puffinstuff: I think it is a neat idea on unlock it, but not like the idea of unlocking via Web. People fall for money scam on the web all the time. I can totally see people might fall for a "chip scam" or even worst, a chip virus. Can you imagine if someone figure out a way to really mess with someone's chip.

People manage to crack games and consoles and recently PS3, I'm sure someone will figure out on how to crack their CPU capability or cripple it via a hoax website.
 
He is talking about issues that the article Chibi linked to (and its source articles) brings up, so I think we can give him a pass. :p

I'm not especially concerned about the scamming issue to the extent that I am already. People already get viruses and trojans from shit that they download from unscrupulous sources. I don't think this is really going to make this any better or worse.

As our lady of Puff mentioned, a lot is going to depend on how Intel chooses to proceed with this. There's a big difference between trying to squeeze extra $$ out of someone who bought a top line $3k machine with a "secretly" down-clocked processor and providing someone who bought a budget $500 machine with an easy method to upgrade their processor.

The Cory Doctorow article the BBC links to is a bit...shrill.

This idea, which Siva Vaidhyanathan calls "If value, then right," sounds reasonable on its face. But it's a principle that flies in the face of the entire human history of innovation. By this reasoning, the company that makes big tins of juice should be able to charge you extra for the right to use the empty cans to store lugnuts; the company that makes your living room TV should be able to charge more when you retire it to the cottage...
I really don't know what he's talking about. Especially in the last century, charging people for innovation is one of the key cornerstones of our society. We might very well not have PCs at all if IBM hadn't realized that they could sell (comparatively) gimped computers for business owners and employees to use at home.

However, he does bring up a good point in the end. What is Intel going to do when someone inevitably hacks the motherboard to avoid having to buy cards?
 
well, I have to say, if you can buy the dumbed down version cheaper, and then a quick google search unlocks it....i would seriously consider going that route ;)
Well, I imagine it will be more than a quick google search, but I wonder how secure it actually will be? Also, why is Intel trying to cut out the "buy it here and we'll install it for you" middleman? They get a cut of that anyways. There's definitely more to this initiative then meets the eye, I just feel like the BBC and Doctorow aren't asking the right questions.
 
Intel knows security algorithms, and chances are it would be a very, very, very secure process because it involves money. Unless they screw up the algorithm, make the crypto and/or keys too easy to find and decode on the chip, or choose to use a cheap crypto, then it will certainly be a very difficult nut for hackers to crack.
 

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From comments on Slashdot, this isn't very different from what's already done. I knew that parts are commonly clocked lower than they can actually run (sometimes with cores disabled) but I didn't know that servers are shipped loaded with processors (and RAM?) that are disabled until the company pays to unlock them. Sometimes the extra chips are only enabled temporarily for high demand periods.

This doesn't seem a very unreasonable proposition, if it works correctly. Right now lots of people buy processors that are capable of more than their rated speed. Is adding a feature to unlock that potential later really such a nefarious thing to do? I can't figure out why it would be, myself. Except for the whole "Windows 7 only" angle. If these processors need Windows to use the unlock, and can't see the speed boost in Linux, that's pretty damn awful.

As to hacking, if the system is set up to allow total control of clock-speed and features remotely, I'd be very surprised. More likely it's going to be a simple on/off switch for the extra features. If the switch is 0 the chip is in low performance, if the switch is 1, the multiplier gets bumped-up ore the extra cores/cache are enabled. No way to underclock the chip via that mechanism.
 
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