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Alright let's kick this off, I know that most of you didn't see it yet but in some parts of the world it has been playing for almost a week.

I would ask for the spoilers to be in tags till when most of you have seen it...

The Movie:
I fear it's not the brilliant masterpiece we were all wating for. Don't get me wrong it was the a really good movie and fun to watch, but it's not beter then the first one in my opinion. If I were to rate the first one I would give 8,5 stars and this one would get 8 stars.

The story is solid but could go a litter deeper, I have the feeling they touch on subjects that can easily be developed more but seening as they want it to be a story for all ages the writers didn't go there. That's fine, I have no problems with that but it makes me sometimes want more.
I think the movie is one of the geekiest comic book movies I have ever seen with al the little referrals to the comics but it's done subtle enough.

The acting is good, but who would expect different with such a fine cast. Downey Jr. is of course the perfect Tony Stark in my mind. Mikey Rourke plays with the same kind of lightheartedness and fun that is needed for this kind of movie. Sam Rockwell ... ahem ... Rocks as Justin Hammer and Gwyneth Paltrow is as good as she was last time. The change from Terrence Howard to Don Cheadle was forgotten the second time he apeared in a scene (but maybe that's because I like Don Cheadle).A special mention goes to Scarlett Johansson who was, off course, sexy as hell.

The action suffered the same problems like others see in the first movie. I don't mind because in my mind that is how fights in this suits would go, they are really grounded at times, you see people hit eachother with fists and if that isn't enough they get a stick to beat the oppenent with only the stick is a bit heavier and bigger. Now if you have a robotic armor you could do all sorts of wild things but when you are trained in hand to hand combat it makes sence to use that training in your suit, stick to what you know.

So like I said before I give it an 8/10 and I really enjoyed myself, hope you will too.

now for those who already saw it a little spoiler:

I'm seeing it on Friday. One of our vendors is holding a meeting. Basically, we have to watch a presentation of their product, and then we watch Iron Man 2. Pretty awesome. I hope they don't pull a bait and switch and have some guy in a cardboard suit come out and re-enact the movie based on internet spoilers.

Hey, so long as Robert Downey Jr. is as good as he was in the last one, I want to see this.

My other expectations are fairly low, so it'll be hard for me to be disappointed.

It was fun times. The climactic fight felt rushed though. It's over in less than a few minutes. The acting was uniformly great. RDJ continues to show why he's one of the best actors of the moment. Sam Rockwell was perfectly smarmy, and Scarlett Johansson was born to play a comic book vixen. Rowr.

I loved it. The actual final battle was a little rushed but it worked from an in character stand point. Anyhow, two more possible Avengers added (no surprise) and the next three Avengers series flicks foreshadowed (see if you can spot them)! Awesomeness. And, as per usual, stay after the credits.

The final battle was underwhelming in the first one too... that's actually my only gripe with both films... (ok, the second also didn't )

when does the movie premieres in the states? today?

Biardo said:

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wel it's kinda in the shape of a V so let's say vibranium, although when you turn it around it could be adamantium to... you're right they should have named it

when does the movie premieres in the states? today?

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Which are still owned by Sony, so are in another continuity... and they might not have mentioned it beind adamantium for exactly that reason.

And it could still be the stuff Cap's shield is made out of... but that's just complicating it imo.

Sparhawk;382500][QUOTE=Biardo said:

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wel it's kinda in the shape of a V so let's say vibranium, although when you turn it around it could be adamantium to... you're right they should have named it

when does the movie premieres in the states? today?

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I disagreed with the after credit ending, though. Instead of

They're saving that for #3...

Sparhawk said:

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I would say it would "default" to Vibranium since Adamantium has been previously established in the Marvel Movie-verse in the X-Men and Wolverine movies.

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But as i recall the latest canon is that Adamantium was a attempt at synthesizing Vibranium... (or the Vibranium alloy Cap's shield is made out of at least).

Christ this movie did nothing for me. I laughed a few times, but man. Everyone other than RDJr was fucking TERRIBLE. Not all bad acting, but a unique blend of bad acting and really stupid characters.

Not as good as I thought it would be, but i had some fun. I thought there would be more Mickey Rourke;
I guess the thing that got to me the most was that some of the dialogue that was meant to be funny was muttered in this really soft, quick fashion that reminded me a lot of The Gilmore Girls. And I hate The Gilmore Girls.

Cajungal said:

I guess the thing that got to me the most was that some of the dialogue that was meant to be funny was muttered in this really soft, quick fashion that reminded me a lot of The Gilmore Girls. And I hate The Gilmore Girls.

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They had to rush through the actual witty and good parts with Tony/Pepper so they could get more of Don Cheadle and Scarlett J reading their horrible lines in a monotone.

The Lovely Boner said:

Not all bad acting, but a unique blend of bad acting and really stupid characters.

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Actually i wouldn't say bad acting, just disappointing considering the level of actors involved... Justin Hammer came of as too clichéd as a character etc.

Seemed to me that Rhodes got the hang of using the suit awfully damn fast. The second he puts on the armor he can control it and fly around as easy as Tony does. Had he used it before? If so I don't remember the movie explaining that.

Anyway, I did like the film, but I also thought it suffered from a lackluster ending like the first movie.

Man, I loved this movie. I thought Downey and Rockwell were fantastic. It was just a fun romp, yo.

I enjoyed my time in the theatre, even at $10.50 for a ticket. It was billion times more satisfying than Clash of the Titans, at any rate. That said ...


The rest was pretty fun, though. Sam Rockwell was a riot.

Philosopher B. said:

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Don Cheadle just didn't do much for me in that role, plus Scarlett Johansson's character was kinda superfluous (if they'd written it so that Vanko didn't take over Cheadle's suit, she wouldn't have been needed for the climax and, by extension, the rest of the film). Though I will say that Jon Favreau's brawl with a single dude while she was getting down was amusing.

I had two problems with the end battle:

1) They beat the shit out of those drones way too easily. Was there ever any doubt they would win?

2) Where were the dying people? With so many explosions and so much carnage, I at least expected to see a few people get their shit seriously fucked up. I mean, I didn't need to see rivers of blood, but still. I guess they figured it would be harder to sympathize with Tony Stark?

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Norris;382596][QUOTE=Sparhawk said:

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I would say it would "default" to Vibranium since Adamantium has been previously established in the Marvel Movie-verse in the X-Men and Wolverine movies.

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umm. That last spoiler is mine, not sure why it's doing that. THIS IS COVAR!!!!!!

Saw it last night with the parents. All three of us enjoyed it and thought it was a very decent sequel. I think I enjoyed the writing of the first film better. Many of the character in this film felt way too cookie cutter and didn't seem to fit in with the characters of the first film. Hammer for instance just seemed too incompetent and uncharismatic to be in charge of his own company. Black Widow was indeed sexy but there was little to no depth. S.L Jackson seemed to just be playing more himself than he did the" guy in charge of a government run super agency who knows more than he's telling" Plus there was something about the writing for the already established characters that seemed much more awkward and disjointed. Probably all of those "stumbling over your words" moments that Tony and Pepper were sharing most of the movie.

Supposedly Al Pacino was up for the role of Hammer. I would have preferred him over Rockwell, or at least would have liked to compare the two.

The final issue I had was that Favreau gave himself a much bigger part in this film. Having a cameo in the first film was fine, but was there any need to greatly expand the role of a character that hardly anyone remembers from the first film, even if it is based on Happy Hogan from the Iron Man comics? Only if he wanted to expand his ego from my perspective. Love his directing, but I'd like to see him respect his power a little bit better.
I'm making a prediction that somehow Favreau's character will be wearing an iron man suit by the next film. It may just be for a quick comedic sequence, but he's heading down that path of self acknowledgment. Or will Happy Hogan meet his true destiny as The Freak? Either way I think he should have given the role to someone else had he intended on developing the character.

Terrible, Terrible movie.

The 3 major plotlines were just too much for the movie to carry. I mean Rourke should have been written out of the movie early on since the rest of the movie was him attempting to be scary while getting his own design montage ooooooh sppooooky!!!! He fails utterly to be menacing or scary so the final fight doesn't have any kind of emotional response or any suspense about who is going to win.

RDJ destroyed any kind of love I had for Tony Stark. He failed to bring any kind of Charisma to the part. I mean he actually manages to be an insufferable ass when he is interacting with Pepper unlike in the first movie where he seemed perpetually puckish when dealing with Pepper. Also not a single plot line is really solved by Tony Stark being brilliant or good or really though any attribute than being the hero of the movie. He gets handed every solution over him being a little bitch.

I could go on more but the movie was terrible, stupid and utterly lacking in any redeeming quality.

Dubyamn said:

Terrible, Terrible movie.

The 3 major plotlines were just too much for the movie to carry. I mean Rourke should have been written out of the movie early on since the rest of the movie was him attempting to be scary while getting his own design montage ooooooh sppooooky!!!! He fails utterly to be menacing or scary so the final fight doesn't have any kind of emotional response or any suspense about who is going to win.

RDJ destroyed any kind of love I had for Tony Stark. He failed to bring any kind of Charisma to the part. I mean he actually manages to be an insufferable ass when he is interacting with Pepper unlike in the first movie where he seemed perpetually puckish when dealing with Pepper. Also not a single plot line is really solved by Tony Stark being brilliant or good or really though any attribute than being the hero of the movie. He gets handed every solution over him being a little bitch.

I could go on more but the movie was terrible, stupid and utterly lacking in any redeeming quality.

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I liked it.

Snuffleupagus;384262][QUOTE=Dubyamn said:

Terrible, Terrible movie.

The 3 major plotlines were just too much for the movie to carry. I mean Rourke should have been written out of the movie early on since the rest of the movie was him attempting to be scary while getting his own design montage ooooooh sppooooky!!!! He fails utterly to be menacing or scary so the final fight doesn't have any kind of emotional response or any suspense about who is going to win.

RDJ destroyed any kind of love I had for Tony Stark. He failed to bring any kind of Charisma to the part. I mean he actually manages to be an insufferable ass when he is interacting with Pepper unlike in the first movie where he seemed perpetually puckish when dealing with Pepper. Also not a single plot line is really solved by Tony Stark being brilliant or good or really though any attribute than being the hero of the movie. He gets handed every solution over him being a little bitch.

I could go on more but the movie was terrible, stupid and utterly lacking in any redeeming quality.

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I liked it.[/QUOTE]

You mind me asking why? I'm not trying to put you on the spot and if you tell me to buzz off that's fine but do you see where I'm coming from with my complaints and just assign a different value to them or does it seem like we just watched 2 very different movies?

Dubyamn;384273][QUOTE=Snuffleupagus;384262][QUOTE=Dubyamn said:

Terrible, Terrible movie.

The 3 major plotlines were just too much for the movie to carry. I mean Rourke should have been written out of the movie early on since the rest of the movie was him attempting to be scary while getting his own design montage ooooooh sppooooky!!!! He fails utterly to be menacing or scary so the final fight doesn't have any kind of emotional response or any suspense about who is going to win.

RDJ destroyed any kind of love I had for Tony Stark. He failed to bring any kind of Charisma to the part. I mean he actually manages to be an insufferable ass when he is interacting with Pepper unlike in the first movie where he seemed perpetually puckish when dealing with Pepper. Also not a single plot line is really solved by Tony Stark being brilliant or good or really though any attribute than being the hero of the movie. He gets handed every solution over him being a little bitch.

I could go on more but the movie was terrible, stupid and utterly lacking in any redeeming quality.

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I liked it.[/QUOTE]

You mind me asking why? I'm not trying to put you on the spot and if you tell me to buzz off that's fine but do you see where I'm coming from with my complaints and just assign a different value to them or does it seem like we just watched 2 very different movies?[/QUOTE]

I'm not really sure, I don't consider myself a movie critic of any kind. I just saw the movie. Appreciated it as a sequel and enjoyed my time watching it. I see that you hated it and I'm not mad or anything, but I had fun.

Dubyamn said:

RDJ destroyed any kind of love I had for Tony Stark. He failed to bring any kind of Charisma to the part. I mean he actually manages to be an insufferable ass when he is interacting with Pepper unlike in the first movie where he seemed perpetually puckish when dealing with Pepper. Also not a single plot line is really solved by Tony Stark being brilliant or good or really though any attribute than being the hero of the movie. He gets handed every solution over him being a little bitch.

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You've obviously never read an Iron Man comic.

Seriously, the complaints listed in this thread are hilarious. This is a comic book to film movie, it does it DAMN well. The characters being called "flat actors" are "flat characters" in the series. They're job is not to "shine" it's to "support" and that's exactly what they did.

The movie was like reading a comic. Perfection as usual Marvel Production Studios!

Other than some very convenient plot holes, I liked it. I like that they continue to build towards the Avengers though it will probably not live up to expectations. Bring on Branaugh's Thor!

Shegokigo;384281][QUOTE=Dubyamn said:

RDJ destroyed any kind of love I had for Tony Stark. He failed to bring any kind of Charisma to the part. I mean he actually manages to be an insufferable ass when he is interacting with Pepper unlike in the first movie where he seemed perpetually puckish when dealing with Pepper. Also not a single plot line is really solved by Tony Stark being brilliant or good or really though any attribute than being the hero of the movie. He gets handed every solution over him being a little bitch.

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You've obviously never read an Iron Man comic.[/quote]

Is it normal for Tony Stark to stumble through life acting like a braindead moron before being handed the answer by somebody smarter than himself?

Kinda think not reading an Iron Man comic was a great move for me then.

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Snuffleupagus said:

I'm not really sure, I don't consider myself a movie critic of any kind. I just saw the movie. Appreciated it as a sequel and enjoyed my time watching it. I see that you hated it and I'm not mad or anything, but I had fun.

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Fair enough. I really was just wondering because the way most people talk about the movie I feel like I saw some unpolished cut of the movie.

Dubyamn said:

Is it normal for Tony Stark to stumble through life acting like a braindead moron before being handed the answer by somebody smarter than himself?

Kinda think not reading an Iron Man comic was a great move for me then.

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During his "drunk years", yes he acted like a complete moron. Like anyone who struggles with alcoholism he made huge mistakes and needed help getting back on his feet. As for him being handed the answer by someone smarter? Fury isn't smarter, he just has access to more resources/secrets. His father was smarter, cause um, he was the one who taught Tony all he knew. So yeah, not sure what you're exactly trying to put down.

Shegokigo said:

During his "drunk years", yes he acted like a complete moron. Like anyone who struggles with alcoholism he made huge mistakes and needed help getting back on his feet. As for him being handed the answer by someone smarter? Fury isn't smarter, he just has access to more resources/secrets. His father was smarter, cause um, he was the one who taught Tony all he knew. So yeah, not sure what you're exactly trying to put down.

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The dad handing him the answer to the question that Tony had spent 4 minutes of screen time trying to fix. The fact that it was the most idiotic and nonsensical way of handing it to Tony was just annoying. The problem didn't have any drama because Tony didn't actually try to find an alternative core and the dad handing it to him was just a quick way to clip that plot thread.

Dubyamn;384316][QUOTE=Shegokigo said:

During his "drunk years", yes he acted like a complete moron. Like anyone who struggles with alcoholism he made huge mistakes and needed help getting back on his feet. As for him being handed the answer by someone smarter? Fury isn't smarter, he just has access to more resources/secrets. His father was smarter, cause um, he was the one who taught Tony all he knew. So yeah, not sure what you're exactly trying to put down.

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The dad handing him the answer to the question that Tony had spent 4 minutes of screen time trying to fix. The fact that it was the most idiotic and nonsensical way of handing it to Tony was just annoying. The problem didn't have any drama because Tony didn't actually try to find an alternative core and the dad handing it to him was just a quick way to clip that plot thread.[/QUOTE]

I'm guessing you completely zoned out during the part where Tony made it VERY clear he spent YEARS trying to find an alternative to his problem. So yeah, 4 minutes of time

Shegokigo said:

I'm guessing you completely zoned out during the part where Tony made it VERY clear he spent YEARS trying to find an alternative to his problem. So yeah, 4 minutes of time

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Oh no I heard that one line and then I saw him ask Jeeves to do a scan of the elements and do jack all else.

Really my problem would have been solved with one line of dialogue asking Jeeves to develop a theoretical element. They could have kept the father giving him the formula if they had Tony at least think of it first.

Yeah he was gonna do alot of "thinking" binge drinking every night. :slywink:

Shegokigo said:

Yeah he was gonna do alot of "thinking" binge drinking every night. :slywink:

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Apparently enough thinking to go over every element and every isotope for a possible replacement core which you thought saved him from being a complete idiot who got the answer to his question handed to him by his dead father.

He wasn't a drunk in the beginning. He studied hard at that time. Later he started drinking heavily when he couldn't find a cure and figured he was going to die anyway. Then Fury came in to sober him up at which point he figured out his father's clues. GG paying attention to the film.

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He wasn't a drunk in the beginning. He studied hard at that time. Later he started drinking heavily when he couldn't find a cure and figured he was going to die anyway. Then Fury came in to sober him up at which point he figured out his father's clues. GG paying attention to the film.

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Yes when he couldn't find a cure after 4 minutes of on screen research never once did he theorize that he could make a new element. Like I said one line could have fixed this problem for me. As it is Tony Stark failed utterly and needed his dead father to come to his rescue..

Dub, are you just trolling?

I enjoyed the movie, but I felt that the middle was somewhat slow.



I also felt that the middle fight wasn't as good as it was in the first film. In the first one you had the natural progression of the mark I suit being used to escape, then we have his finished product suit going on a mission and finally the final fight with the main villain.

sixpackshaker said:

Dub, are you just trolling?

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Obviously.

sixpackshaker said:

Dub, are you just trolling?

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No I seriously disliked the movie. Like I said too many main plotlines that went nowhere and were fixed in a anticlimatic way with little to no input from the "hero" of the story.

It might have been a perfect moving of comic to screen like Kego says but if that's true then they really need to focus on making a movie and not a comicbook.

Don't really get the impression that he's trolling.

Dubyamn said:

Terrible, Terrible movie.

The 3 major plotlines were just too much for the movie to carry. I mean Rourke should have been written out of the movie early on since the rest of the movie was him attempting to be scary while getting his own design montage ooooooh sppooooky!!!! He fails utterly to be menacing or scary so the final fight doesn't have any kind of emotional response or any suspense about who is going to win.

RDJ destroyed any kind of love I had for Tony Stark. He failed to bring any kind of Charisma to the part. I mean he actually manages to be an insufferable ass when he is interacting with Pepper unlike in the first movie where he seemed perpetually puckish when dealing with Pepper. Also not a single plot line is really solved by Tony Stark being brilliant or good or really though any attribute than being the hero of the movie. He gets handed every solution over him being a little bitch.

I could go on more but the movie was terrible, stupid and utterly lacking in any redeeming quality.

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Is it normal for Tony Stark to stumble through life acting like a braindead moron before being handed the answer by somebody smarter than himself?

Kinda think not reading an Iron Man comic was a great move for me then.

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mostly added this quote for the troll-bait. marked in bold.

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The dad handing him the answer to the question that Tony had spent 4 minutes of screen time trying to fix. The fact that it was the most idiotic and nonsensical way of handing it to Tony was just annoying. The problem didn't have any drama because Tony didn't actually try to find an alternative core and the dad handing it to him was just a quick way to clip that plot thread.

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Yeah, the one thing that movie needed was more research scenes...

Dialogue is a good way to handle crap that is too boring for a movie.

Daddy could not just come out and say "make this element!" he had to code it some way for Tony and ONLY Tony to figure it out.

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The dad handing him the answer to the question that Tony had spent 4 minutes of screen time trying to fix. The fact that it was the most idiotic and nonsensical way of handing it to Tony was just annoying. The problem didn't have any drama because Tony didn't actually try to find an alternative core and the dad handing it to him was just a quick way to clip that plot thread.

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Yeah, the one thing that movie needed was more research scenes...

Dialogue is a good way to handle crap that is too boring for a movie.

Daddy could not just come out and say "make this element!" he had to code it some way for Tony and ONLY Tony to figure it out.

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Yes do notice how I suggested one line of dialogue that would make the deus ex into something a little more climatic than the father just handing it to Tony in such a terribly cliche way.

And also why did he have to hid the atomic formula of the new element? He supposedly wanted the ARC reactor to usher in a new age of non polluting widely available energy and he already had the answers all worked out so why not share it with people who could use it to usher in that new age as the technology became available? Why hide the information in such a way that only by chance did Tony discover it?

I'm talking logical reasons not because it was "Dramatic" for it to work out this way which I'm sure you can tell I don't think it was.

Moved your whole spoiler down here to answer each question in turn.

Isn't there a line of dialogue where Jarvis tells Tony he'd need to invent a new element?

Dubyamn said:

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If you write our Rourke, who would build the drones?

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Why do the drones need to be built? They didn't add anything to the movie, the fight with them wasn't exciting. The creation of them was mildly interesting but disconnected from the storyline. Overall I think that the drones were just a waste of time so writing them out with Rourke would have been aces in my book.

ITS A COMIC BOOK MOVIE the good guys always win.

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Yes yes but we aren't supposed to think they'll win. The outcome is supposed to be in doubt so we can cheer and feel as though the heroes have done something HEROIC when they defeat their enemy. To have a 2 on 1 fight with the badguy completely unable to hurt the heroes doesn't really give much doubt about how the fight will go.

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I think you answered your own question there.

@Li3n said:

I think you answered your own question there.

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The problem was that the drones got wasted before the final fight, would have been so much better if he'd joined the fray around half way through the drones getting destroyed.

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Personally, I really liked the movie. I think it was a successful sequel to another good movie. I am actually excited now for Thor, Captain America, and the future Avengers movie.

There is only one thing that got on my nerves, and it's just an overused trope.

Reading the argument's cycle of Dubyaman lists a problem, others explain where the movie addressed this problem, it seems like he needs to watch the movie again.

escushion said:

Reading the argument's cycle of Dubyaman lists a problem, others explain where the movie addressed this problem, it seems like he needs to watch the movie again.

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Yeah definitely not going to do that. One horrid viewing of it was enough.

Also I don't see anybody explaining why the final fight scene had to be the boring mess that it was or why Tony got the answers handed to him without any effort on his part.

I mean continuity and plot hole stuff, such as him doing research, things addressed in the film. If you were bored by the climax, no one can explain that away any more than you could explain away someone else's enjoyment of the climax.

I'm never bored during the climax. She, on the other hand. But fuck her. But that's how I got into that problem in the first place. The problem of enjoying the climax.

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I mean continuity and plot hole stuff, such as him doing research, things addressed in the film. If you were bored by the climax, no one can explain that away any more than you could explain away someone else's enjoyment of the climax.

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Frank is the only one who said that there was talk of a new element and even he isn't sure of it. I didn't have any complaints about continuity my complaint was that there were very few scenes of Tony Stark trying to find a new core, but plenty of scenes of him just kinda dicking around. The film making didn't convey to me that Tony took this seriously nor did Tony the supposed hero of the movie solve the problem, instead it was handed to him by his father without any drama or climax.

Frank was right.

I guess I watched a different movie, I thought all the plot points were handled fairly well.

Also, drunk Tony Stark is awesome. I hope there is more of that in the next film.

Also also, Rock. Robot Rock.

sixpackshaker said:

Frank was right.

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Fair enough I guess the flaws with it just go way way too deep for a dialogue fix.

Saw it a second time. I feel I have done my part to secure a third film.
I think it was better the second time around. Fewer issues bothered me. Though I do think that it would have been better for the Black Widow character if she would have been able to pull off a decent Russian accent after she reveals to Stark that she's a SHIELD operative. It would have made the character seem like a much more capable spy.

It was an okay movie but it was paced poorly (except the action sequences) and the characters didn't really pop the way they did in the first movie.

MindDetective said:

It was an okay movie but it was paced poorly (except the action sequences) and the characters didn't really pop the way they did in the first movie.

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That's my opinion of the film, pretty much exactly.

i found it awesome.

FINALLY saw it last night, and it was everything the reviews have said. Good, but not as good as the first, and the final fight was way, WAAAY too short.

But it had some truly great moments, and Marvel is really doing a fantastic job of building up to this Avengers movie. I'm so pumped.

What I've learned from both Ironman movies is that humans are impervious to harm from broken glass.

Gusto said:

What I've learned from both Ironman movies is that humans are impervious to harm from broken glass.

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Isn't that a lesson from movies in general?

Gusto said:

What I've learned from both Ironman movies is that humans are impervious to harm from broken glass.

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In the near future all glass will be safety glass that breaks in a such a way that it can't hurt you... and we'll have power armour... that's the way i choose to view it.