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Joe Paterno has died
#2
ElJuski
ElJuski
for realsies this time?
#3
rac3r_x
rac3r_x
Retirement = Death, that and lung cancer.
#4
Mathias
Mathias
Still a great man in my book. RIP, Joe Pa.
#5
D
Dubyamn
D
Dubyamn
Damn I had hoped he would live long enough to rebuild at least part of his reputation.
I mean he earned every ounce of scorn he got over the scandel but he was a good guy who could have earned his redemption.
I mean he earned every ounce of scorn he got over the scandel but he was a good guy who could have earned his redemption.
#6
blotsfan
blotsfan
I still think he deserved to lose his job for what he did but still on the whole he was a force for good.
#7
SeraRelm
SeraRelm
#8
Charlie Don't Surf
Charlie Don't Surf
I still don't really think any amount of money donated or football victories make up for failing at the most basic level in protecting and helping young people. I'm frankly sickened by all the post-mortem deification. I just hope someone can learn from his failings the lesson from that famous quote... I'm paraphrasing/guessing at it, but it says "Evil can only flourish when good men do nothing." Part of me is disappointed this is the easy way out and wishes the JoePa brand could get dragged through the mud through a civil suit or his testifying or something like that.
#9
Tress
Tress
That's funny, I'm equally sickened by the maniacal glee some people get from pissing on an old man's grave not even 24 hours after his death. I didn't give a shit about Paterno before the scandal and I think he clearly made a horrible choice with the way he handled Sandusky, but have some respect.
#10
Charlie Don't Surf
Charlie Don't Surf
He was a bad person before he died, dying doesn't sew all those 10 year old buttholes back together
#11
ElJuski
ElJuski
I'll say this much about the whole thing of respect, etc:
1. I find all of this discourse after he died to be very interesting. I do have contempt for his actions, but not necessarily for his legacy. It will be very interesting how all this goes on.
2. If it's funny enough, it's worth the joke. And my god, there are some great jokes to be had.
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1. I find all of this discourse after he died to be very interesting. I do have contempt for his actions, but not necessarily for his legacy. It will be very interesting how all this goes on.
2. If it's funny enough, it's worth the joke. And my god, there are some great jokes to be had.
Added at: 01:35
Truth.He was a bad person before he died, dying doesn't sew all those 10 year old buttholes back together
#12
Charlie Don't Surf
Charlie Don't Surf
Also - this is a good semi-serious piece that better addresses things than all my dumb snide bullshit ITT:
http://www.firejerrykill.com/2012/01/22/now-is-not-the-time-for-silence/
http://www.firejerrykill.com/2012/01/22/now-is-not-the-time-for-silence/
#13
Tress
Tress
I'm not certain he was a bad person so much as he made a terrible choice. And you taking delight in his death doesn't help the victims either.He was a bad person before he died, dying doesn't sew all those 10 year old buttholes back together
#14
doomdragon6
doomdragon6
I have no idea who this person even is.
#16
SeraRelm
ok, I'm done. I don't even think there's anything in this thread I want to read other than the link Charlie posted.
SeraRelm
Unlike Sandus-
ok, I'm done. I don't even think there's anything in this thread I want to read other than the link Charlie posted.
#17
Bowielee
Bowielee
This feels like Deja Vu of when Michael Jackson died.
#18
Mathias
What? do you live under a rock?
Mathias
I have no idea who this person even is.
What? do you live under a rock?
#19
Charlie Don't Surf
Charlie Don't Surf
Michael Jackson was never convicted nor ever confessed to molesting children. Joe Paterno admitted that he knew about this and never went to the police nor took any action to keep Sandusky away from children or off the Penn State campus.This feels like Deja Vu of when Michael Jackson died.
#20
Mathias
Load of crap using like two examples of bad eggs under Paterno's watch. Do you read half the shit you link to cause I honestly think you just read the headings and a few sentences of the introduction.
Mathias
Also - this is a good semi-serious piece that better addresses things than all my dumb snide bullshit ITT:
http://www.firejerrykill.com/2012/01/22/now-is-not-the-time-for-silence/
Load of crap using like two examples of bad eggs under Paterno's watch. Do you read half the shit you link to cause I honestly think you just read the headings and a few sentences of the introduction.
#21
Charlie Don't Surf
Charlie Don't Surf
The cult of US college football is not the most important thing in the world to some people.What? do you live under a rock?
#22
sixpackshaker
sixpackshaker
But not knowing who some one is that has been famous for 40 years and infamous for one... kinda is the definition of living under a rock.The cult of US college football is not the most important thing in the world to some people.
#23
Shegokigo
Shegokigo
There's that, oh and you'd also have to be completely oblivious to every major news outlet for the past 4 months... otherwise, yeah football cult only!The cult of US college football is not the most important thing in the world to some people.
#24
Hailey Knight
Hailey Knight
Hey, Charlie doesn't always side with victims. Remember when Osama Bin Laden died?I'm not certain he was a bad person so much as he made a terrible choice. And you taking delight in his death doesn't help the victims either.
I got your back, doom. I never heard of him before this thread either.I have no idea who this person even is.
My news has been "Congress BS, Congress BS, presidential BS, federal BS, tax BS, Congress BS". It's a lovely area I live in. In NY, I used to hear about bad news coming from all over the country, but now much of it seems to come locally.There's that, oh and you'd also have to be completely oblivious to every major news outlet for the past 4 months... otherwise, yeah football cult only!
#25
Shegokigo
Shegokigo
I'm talking more "National" news than local.
Especially websites like CNN.
Especially websites like CNN.
#26
ElJuski
ElJuski
I gotta say...I find it weird as many people as there are no NOTHING about this whole thing. I mean, I didn't know who JoePa or didn't give a shit about PennState before all this business hit, but I figured it was impossible to not hear something about it.
#27
Gared
Gared
Meh. It could simply be that people heard, but didn't listen. I know that when I'm listening to the news, I tune out everything after the word Kardashian, because I simply couldn't give less of a shit about a topic than I do about that one (ok, I'm sure I could, but you get the point, right?).
#28
doomdragon6
doomdragon6
I don't watch news at all, and the only news I ever hear about is stuff people post on Facebook, Twitter, or I see on my e-mails "today" articles, or things that people post here. I do hear a decent bit of US College Football news since I live in U of Alabama's city, and I have never once heard anything about this man.
I did indeed google the man, and I didn't recognize any bit of it.
I did indeed google the man, and I didn't recognize any bit of it.
#29
Shegokigo
Shegokigo
I don't watch news at all, and the only news I ever hear about is stuff people post on Facebook, Twitter....
#30
Gared
Gared
Well, if you don't watch news at all (and seriously, as bad as news coverage is these days, why would you?), and you get most of your news from Facebook and don't have any friends who are PSU fans; then it makes perfect sense you haven't heard of this.
Personally, I'd been a PSU fan and a JoePa as coach fan for years, have seen tons of coverage about this situation and I gotta say... it's sad that he's dead. It's a lot more sad that he didn't do more to investigate or stop what was going on. It pretty much sounds like this was the ONE time when he went with the bare minimum "report to chain of command" effort, and I really wish he'd done more - maybe then we wouldn't be having this conversation, since even though he was 85 and had cancer, the cancer was treatable and he seemed to be in pretty damn good shape before he was fired. I really do think that having his football team "taken away" from him is probably what killed him off, more than anything. Kind of like someone who's lead a great life and is still really healthy until their wife and/or husband of 50 or 60 years dies and then they just decline rapidly and waste away.
Personally, I'd been a PSU fan and a JoePa as coach fan for years, have seen tons of coverage about this situation and I gotta say... it's sad that he's dead. It's a lot more sad that he didn't do more to investigate or stop what was going on. It pretty much sounds like this was the ONE time when he went with the bare minimum "report to chain of command" effort, and I really wish he'd done more - maybe then we wouldn't be having this conversation, since even though he was 85 and had cancer, the cancer was treatable and he seemed to be in pretty damn good shape before he was fired. I really do think that having his football team "taken away" from him is probably what killed him off, more than anything. Kind of like someone who's lead a great life and is still really healthy until their wife and/or husband of 50 or 60 years dies and then they just decline rapidly and waste away.
#31
ElJuski
Fucking seriously, people, know what's happening in your goddamn world.
ElJuski
God that's a stupid argument, and I'm only assuming that all you hear about "bad media" comes from people bitching about it on the internet.Well, if you don't watch news at all (and seriously, as bad as news coverage is these days, why would you?), and you get most of your news from Facebook and don't have any friends who are PSU fans; then it makes perfect sense you haven't heard of this.
Fucking seriously, people, know what's happening in your goddamn world.
#32
Gared
Gared
Why? Why the hell should Doom care about this if it doesn't affect him at all?
And no, I don't say that news coverage sucks these days because of what I hear on the internet. I say that news coverage sucks these days because my local channels suck these days.
And no, I don't say that news coverage sucks these days because of what I hear on the internet. I say that news coverage sucks these days because my local channels suck these days.
#33
ElJuski
ElJuski
Because--and this may be shocking to you--things that don't happen right in front of your doorstep may still have application to you, your neighbors, your community, and humanity, as a whole.
Added at: 00:28
That is, I mean, beyond Resident Evil 6. You guys see that trailer yet!?!?!?! oh man
Added at: 00:28
That is, I mean, beyond Resident Evil 6. You guys see that trailer yet!?!?!?! oh man
#34
Gared
What it doesn't change is a) why Doom specifically should care that this happened, and b) what being informed about the goings on in the world has to do with my post on why it makes sense that Doom wouldn't have heard anything about Paterno/Sandusky/PSU if he doesn't watch the news and gets the vast majority of his news coverage from Facebook. I wasn't arguing that it was intelligent, or that it made sense to do that, just that if one does do that it makes sense that they'd have a limited purview. Geez.
Personally, I'm a news junkie, have been since I was 11 (that'd be 20 years ago). Even though I think my local news channels suck, I still watch about 6 hours of their coverage per week, plus the 8 to 10 hours of news coverage I consume in my car on my way to and from work, plus various news website reading I do while at work and at home. I probably spend more time consuming news footage than I do any other activity aside from working, gaming, and sleeping. In fact, I frequently read and/or listen to news while gaming, and since I have a CNN app for my phone and my phone is also my alarm clock, it's pretty normal for me to wake up, turn off the alarm clock, and check for breaking news headlines before even getting out of bed. Hell, 90% of my twitter feed is from news organizations and reporters. I pay attention to local news, national news, world news, sports news, business news, legal news, gaming news, entertainment news (still don't consider which celeb is doing what and/or whom to be news though), and misc. news. So if you're going to preach about paying attention to what's going on outside of just your local area, turn around - this is the choir section, you want the pews.
Gared
Really? You mean, we live in a whole big world and things far away from me might be important?! Well, that changes everything...Because--and this may be shocking to you--things that don't happen right in front of your doorstep may still have application to you, your neighbors, your community, and humanity, as a whole.
What it doesn't change is a) why Doom specifically should care that this happened, and b) what being informed about the goings on in the world has to do with my post on why it makes sense that Doom wouldn't have heard anything about Paterno/Sandusky/PSU if he doesn't watch the news and gets the vast majority of his news coverage from Facebook. I wasn't arguing that it was intelligent, or that it made sense to do that, just that if one does do that it makes sense that they'd have a limited purview. Geez.
Personally, I'm a news junkie, have been since I was 11 (that'd be 20 years ago). Even though I think my local news channels suck, I still watch about 6 hours of their coverage per week, plus the 8 to 10 hours of news coverage I consume in my car on my way to and from work, plus various news website reading I do while at work and at home. I probably spend more time consuming news footage than I do any other activity aside from working, gaming, and sleeping. In fact, I frequently read and/or listen to news while gaming, and since I have a CNN app for my phone and my phone is also my alarm clock, it's pretty normal for me to wake up, turn off the alarm clock, and check for breaking news headlines before even getting out of bed. Hell, 90% of my twitter feed is from news organizations and reporters. I pay attention to local news, national news, world news, sports news, business news, legal news, gaming news, entertainment news (still don't consider which celeb is doing what and/or whom to be news though), and misc. news. So if you're going to preach about paying attention to what's going on outside of just your local area, turn around - this is the choir section, you want the pews.
#35
ElJuski
ElJuski
As for the answer to why it SHOULD matter to Doom--well, for the same fucking reason it matters to the rest of us. And I'm just saying that it's absolutely fucking stupid for him to be so up his ass, and I find it really mind-boggling that he has no idea what's going on, considering that shit has been a media mainstay for the past how many months? You couldn't turn around without some more news of it going down, unless, quite clearly, he's sitting under a rock with his fingers in his ears.
Also, that's great that you like the news. That's fantastic, even. Real grand, swell.
Also, that's great that you like the news. That's fantastic, even. Real grand, swell.
#36
doomdragon6
doomdragon6
I find it rather rude that I've been called "up my ass" when I haven't really done much instagating here.
I don't watch TV. At all. Presumably, with my very narrow news aperture, that would mean that only the biggest, most important news relevant to me trickles down. I can't really say anything other than, "If it isn't reported on the News Rotation of my e-mail provider, isn't mentioned by any of my friends in the little time I'm on Facebook or Twitter, isn't mentioned on the radio during my very short drives, then there is simply no way I would ever know about it, which means that it does not matter enough for it to have relevance to me.
Please do not make such assertions about me when it's entirely likely you are unaware of events that are significant to me or others.
I don't watch TV. At all. Presumably, with my very narrow news aperture, that would mean that only the biggest, most important news relevant to me trickles down. I can't really say anything other than, "If it isn't reported on the News Rotation of my e-mail provider, isn't mentioned by any of my friends in the little time I'm on Facebook or Twitter, isn't mentioned on the radio during my very short drives, then there is simply no way I would ever know about it, which means that it does not matter enough for it to have relevance to me.
Please do not make such assertions about me when it's entirely likely you are unaware of events that are significant to me or others.
#37
Shegokigo
Shegokigo
I'm guessing you never visit CNN, MSNBC or even Yahoo/MSN either. Gotcha.
#38
Hailey Knight
Hailey Knight
Not everyone can go online at work, so we gotta make our online time count at home.
On Halforums!
On Halforums!
#39
Mathias
Mathias
I find it rather rude that I've been called "up my ass" when I haven't really done much instagating here.
I don't watch TV. At all. Presumably, with my very narrow news aperture, that would mean that only the biggest, most important news relevant to me trickles down. I can't really say anything other than, "If it isn't reported on the News Rotation of my e-mail provider, isn't mentioned by any of my friends in the little time I'm on Facebook or Twitter, isn't mentioned on the radio during my very short drives, then there is simply no way I would ever know about it, which means that it does not matter enough for it to have relevance to me.
Please do not make such assertions about me when it's entirely likely you are unaware of events that are significant to me or others.
#40
drifter
So, you've stated that you have a very narrow news base, and you're annoyed that... people are calling you out for not being aware of the news?
drifter
I find it rather rude that I've been called "up my ass" when I haven't really done much instagating here.
I don't watch TV. At all. Presumably, with my very narrow news aperture, that would mean that only the biggest, most important news relevant to me trickles down. I can't really say anything other than, "If it isn't reported on the News Rotation of my e-mail provider, isn't mentioned by any of my friends in the little time I'm on Facebook or Twitter, isn't mentioned on the radio during my very short drives, then there is simply no way I would ever know about it, which means that it does not matter enough for it to have relevance to me.
Please do not make such assertions about me when it's entirely likely you are unaware of events that are significant to me or others.
So, you've stated that you have a very narrow news base, and you're annoyed that... people are calling you out for not being aware of the news?
#41
LittleSin
LittleSin
I dunno, Doom. I live in frekkin' Newfoundland, Canada where some of the most interesting news I get via facebook/friends is about a moose walking up the road and I knew about this.
I don't actively watch the news...but I do pick up the paper when it's handy and listen to the radio. This has always been filed away under international news, just short blurbs and I still knew what was happening.
I don't actively watch the news...but I do pick up the paper when it's handy and listen to the radio. This has always been filed away under international news, just short blurbs and I still knew what was happening.
#42
Vrii
Vrii
And that was?As for the answer to why it SHOULD matter to Doom--well, for the same fucking reason it matters to the rest of us.
#43
Hailey Knight
Hailey Knight
You guys are all so much better than Doom. You should go throw shit at the walls of his house because that's how much better you are than him.
#44
Tress
Tress
Hey, I was just teasing him for not using Google to find the info in this thread. If he wants to avoid news channels/sites, more power to him.
#45
Shegokigo
I swear I just found it laying around.
Shegokigo
I just threw buckets of blood.You guys are all so much better than Doom. You should go throw shit at the walls of his house because that's how much better you are than him.
I swear I just found it laying around.
#46
Hailey Knight
Hailey Knight
He lives in Alabama, so I believe you.I just threw buckets of blood.
I swear I just found it laying around.
#47
DarkAudit
DarkAudit
Living in Alabama and not knowing about a college football story? I don't call shenanigans, I call horseshit.
#48
strawman
Some guy who was successful at his career, who also failed to adequately report child abuse, died.
And lo, the heavens wept.
Story at 11, but first you need to hear about how a local woman took the city to court... and won. This and more coming to you live right after these messages.
STAY. TUNED.
strawman
Because the newsgirl with the shiny forehead told you it was important?As for the answer to why it SHOULD matter to Doom--well, for the same fucking reason it matters to the rest of us.
Some guy who was successful at his career, who also failed to adequately report child abuse, died.
And lo, the heavens wept.
Story at 11, but first you need to hear about how a local woman took the city to court... and won. This and more coming to you live right after these messages.
STAY. TUNED.
#49
doomdragon6
doomdragon6
I was wondering why the apartment complex decided to paint only our apartment red. I see my formal complaint was misplaced.I just threw buckets of blood.
I swear I just found it laying around.
#50
Hailey Knight
Hailey Knight
Not to pull a Charlie, but why is this news of someone ignoring the abuse and victimization of children any different than all the ignoring of abuse and victimization of children that every person is doing every day? From the chocolate slavery thread, to general rape and abuse that happens to children in households all across the world (not just America), to the dumbing down of children if you want to get into systematized mental abuse, why should what one football coach didn't report matter more than all the rest? Odds are that in your neighborhood, there's some kid getting abused by a parent and no one's doing a fucking thing. I bet it just breaks your heart at night, right? No, it doesn't, because you aren't going to think about that. You're only going to think about the kids that the news told you were important, because some football coach didn't say anything. There's a lot of people not saying anything about shit going on around them all the time. It sucks, but it's happening every day and you're not paying attention--you're not doing jack shit to be vigilant. If you really believe that this was the most important thing going on for several months, and that the abused kids in this case are really the only ones of their kind, then your telling anyone they have their head up their ass is entirely pot to kettle.As for the answer to why it SHOULD matter to Doom--well, for the same fucking reason it matters to the rest of us.
#51
SeraRelm
SeraRelm
Or we can be upset about the shit we DO know about and try to live life through the stuff we don't.
#52
doomdragon6
doomdragon6
Or we can all just be happy and get along and be aware that none of this arguing actually matters. :|
#53
doomdragon6
doomdragon6
GUYS GUYS GUYS
I heard my first reference to this outside of this thread today! I was working at the hotel, and a guest came in and picked up the newspaper, and said, "Oh wow, he died?" then walked off.
I heard my first reference to this outside of this thread today! I was working at the hotel, and a guest came in and picked up the newspaper, and said, "Oh wow, he died?" then walked off.
#54
strawman
I offer you my sympathy, such as it is.
strawman
I can only imagine the pain you must be going through, hearing about such a tragedy in this impersonal way - and from a complete stranger, no less!GUYS GUYS GUYS
I heard my first reference to this outside of this thread today! I was working at the hotel, and a guest came in and picked up the newspaper, and said, "Oh wow, he died?" then walked off.
I offer you my sympathy, such as it is.
#55
ElJuski
ElJuski
Seriously, it's just a matter of maybe opening up one or two news websites and glancing at headlines to know what's going on. It doesn't make you a media slave, it doesn't make you an elitist news whore, it makes you a person who is aware of the world around you that has more impact on humanity than the next episode of Yu-Gi-Yoh or the next video game.
It's pretty sad how much self-development and community development is apparently reviled in this country over the idea of self-entitlement and good ol' fashion'd ig'nance.
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Not to mention, holy shit, what a break in logic that is to say that just because one thing is getting media attention I should feel heartbroken for it, but I don't for other things, because I don't.
Not to dredge up personal things in this argument, but those kids getting molested at home? THEY COME TO MY SCHOOL.
But on a more logical, global note, it's JoePa, and all this bullshit surrounding PennState, that should make us more self aware that the abuse and molestation of kids is happening, and could be happening in your neighborhood. With the fucking people that you put in charge of caring for your children. So after seeing the whole JoePa thing go down, well, fuck, yeah, maybe your local community centers, schools, churches, etc. should take a look at who is running their stuff and how it's being run.
WHAT THE NEWS MAKING AN IMPACT
NO IT MUST BE THE BRAINWASHING THE MEDIA CIRCUS MAKES ON US INDIVIDUALS WEEOOWEEEOO
It's pretty sad how much self-development and community development is apparently reviled in this country over the idea of self-entitlement and good ol' fashion'd ig'nance.
Added at: 12:18
Not to mention, holy shit, what a break in logic that is to say that just because one thing is getting media attention I should feel heartbroken for it, but I don't for other things, because I don't.
Not to dredge up personal things in this argument, but those kids getting molested at home? THEY COME TO MY SCHOOL.
But on a more logical, global note, it's JoePa, and all this bullshit surrounding PennState, that should make us more self aware that the abuse and molestation of kids is happening, and could be happening in your neighborhood. With the fucking people that you put in charge of caring for your children. So after seeing the whole JoePa thing go down, well, fuck, yeah, maybe your local community centers, schools, churches, etc. should take a look at who is running their stuff and how it's being run.
WHAT THE NEWS MAKING AN IMPACT
NO IT MUST BE THE BRAINWASHING THE MEDIA CIRCUS MAKES ON US INDIVIDUALS WEEOOWEEEOO
#56
Mathias
What does piss me off is the media's continued persistence of involving Paterno in this scandal. Are they ever going to fucking focus on Jerry Sandusky in relation to the scandal? Joe Paterno died; focus should be on his career and the good that he did (which definitely outweighs his involvement in this scandal).
I also wish Penn State as a whole could be salvaged from this mess. Penn State is more than just one asshole pedophile, and the football program he abused. Yeah, it matters. Do you know how many Penn State Alumni there are? Do you know how many people went to Penn State because of Joe Paterno? It's important news to a lot of people.
Juski raises an excellent point. This is important to everyone for exactly the reasons stated; even on the flip-side as to show how administrations function on a academic level.
Mathias
Seriously, it's just a matter of maybe opening up one or two news websites and glancing at headlines to know what's going on. It doesn't make you a media slave, it doesn't make you an elitist news whore, it makes you a person who is aware of the world around you that has more impact on humanity than the next episode of Yu-Gi-Yoh or the next video game.
It's pretty sad how much self-development and community development is apparently reviled in this country over the idea of self-entitlement and good ol' fashion'd ig'nance.
Added at: 12:18
Not to mention, holy shit, what a break in logic that is to say that just because one thing is getting media attention I should feel heartbroken for it, but I don't for other things, because I don't.
Not to dredge up personal things in this argument, but those kids getting molested at home? THEY COME TO MY SCHOOL.
But on a more logical, global note, it's JoePa, and all this bullshit surrounding PennState, that should make us more self aware that the abuse and molestation of kids is happening, and could be happening in your neighborhood. With the fucking people that you put in charge of caring for your children. So after seeing the whole JoePa thing go down, well, fuck, yeah, maybe your local community centers, schools, churches, etc. should take a look at who is running their stuff and how it's being run.
WHAT THE NEWS MAKING AN IMPACT
NO IT MUST BE THE BRAINWASHING THE MEDIA CIRCUS MAKES ON US INDIVIDUALS WEEOOWEEEOO
What does piss me off is the media's continued persistence of involving Paterno in this scandal. Are they ever going to fucking focus on Jerry Sandusky in relation to the scandal? Joe Paterno died; focus should be on his career and the good that he did (which definitely outweighs his involvement in this scandal).
I also wish Penn State as a whole could be salvaged from this mess. Penn State is more than just one asshole pedophile, and the football program he abused. Yeah, it matters. Do you know how many Penn State Alumni there are? Do you know how many people went to Penn State because of Joe Paterno? It's important news to a lot of people.
Juski raises an excellent point. This is important to everyone for exactly the reasons stated; even on the flip-side as to show how administrations function on a academic level.
#57
Hailey Knight
I'm not saying this isn't important. A situation like this is always important. But you wouldn't hear about it like this except because of who it involves. I have heard of Joe Pa (I didn't connect Joe Pa = Joe Paterno earlier though) and I heard something was going on, but not one person around me brought up the child abuse thing--it always started with "college football coach" or "Penn State", and I pretty much always tune that shit out. Maybe I would've paid attention if the important part came up first, but I think to the people mentioning those aspects, that was the important part and if it didn't involve this coach and this school, they wouldn't give a shit and they wouldn't talk about it.
Hailey Knight
What a great way to get informed. Do that with the Washington Post and you're going to think the Democrats are shining gods being held back by the evil conservatives. They don't get into facts unless you actually read the articles.Seriously, it's just a matter of maybe opening up one or two news websites and glancing at headlines to know what's going on.
I'm not saying this isn't important. A situation like this is always important. But you wouldn't hear about it like this except because of who it involves. I have heard of Joe Pa (I didn't connect Joe Pa = Joe Paterno earlier though) and I heard something was going on, but not one person around me brought up the child abuse thing--it always started with "college football coach" or "Penn State", and I pretty much always tune that shit out. Maybe I would've paid attention if the important part came up first, but I think to the people mentioning those aspects, that was the important part and if it didn't involve this coach and this school, they wouldn't give a shit and they wouldn't talk about it.
But you do think it would be getting this kind of attention if it didn't involve Penn State and JoePa? I kind of doubt it.What does piss me off is the media's continued persistence of involving Paterno in this scandal. Are they ever going to fucking focus on Jerry Sandusky in relation to the scandal? Joe Paterno died; focus should be on his career and the good that he did (which definitely outweighs his involvement in this scandal).
I also wish Penn State as a whole could be salvaged from this mess. Penn State is more than just one asshole pedophile, and the football program he abused. Yeah, it matters. Do you know how many Penn State Alumni there are? Do you know how many people went to Penn State because of Joe Paterno? It's important news to a lot of people.
Juski raises an excellent point. This is important to everyone for exactly the reasons stated; even on the flip-side as to show how administrations function on a academic level.
#58
Charlie Don't Surf
Charlie Don't Surf
JoePa doesn't deserve to have this glossed over in his "legacy" just because he died. That's why I can't help myself from "dragging his name through the mud", since he shouldn't get a pass for winning a bunch of football games.
#59
strawman
Nevermind, go ahead and blame whoever you want. Those who believe that his contribution to the entertainment industry is worth a few child molestations can blame whoever they want - their opinion is worthless anyway. I can imagine them cuddled up in their university logo blankets whispering over and over, "To make a great omelet, you gotta break a few eggs... To make a great omelet, you gotta break a few eggs..."
If he had reported it properly, made sure the offender was immediately dismissed, and had followed up until the issue was completely resolved - he probably wouldn't have been coach for the last many years. I know there are people who think that the way things turned out is fine because he led his team to victory - and they are implicitly condoning the actions he took, which condone the actions of the offender.
But hey, after all, to make a great omelet...
strawman
Joe involved himself in this scandal. Don't blame the media for his actions.What does piss me off is the media's continued persistence of involving Paterno in this scandal.
Nevermind, go ahead and blame whoever you want. Those who believe that his contribution to the entertainment industry is worth a few child molestations can blame whoever they want - their opinion is worthless anyway. I can imagine them cuddled up in their university logo blankets whispering over and over, "To make a great omelet, you gotta break a few eggs... To make a great omelet, you gotta break a few eggs..."
If he had reported it properly, made sure the offender was immediately dismissed, and had followed up until the issue was completely resolved - he probably wouldn't have been coach for the last many years. I know there are people who think that the way things turned out is fine because he led his team to victory - and they are implicitly condoning the actions he took, which condone the actions of the offender.
But hey, after all, to make a great omelet...
#60
Gared
Gared
Apparently in the wake of Paterno's death, the university faculty is now considering a vote of no confidence against the university board for the way he was fired. Not sure how I feel about that.
#61
strawman
strawman
Are they talking about the fact that he was fired at all, or that he was fired for the reasons they stated, or the way he was fired (via phone, rather than in person)?
Because, after his career, an in-person visit from the president of the university and/or board of directors is certainly warranted.
Or a text message - that would have worked too.
Because, after his career, an in-person visit from the president of the university and/or board of directors is certainly warranted.
Or a text message - that would have worked too.
#62
Gared
Gared
Don't know - they didn't go into any detail on my news radio program on my way to work, it was just a teaser to get people to keep listening to their next hour and I got to work before they started.
#63
strawman
strawman
I had to actually use google, rather than letting others spoon feed me?!
It's a symbolic vote only.
I didn't realize how large a university it is - over 5,500 faculty and staff.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/sport...nvestigation/2012/01/24/gIQAdVGgNQ_story.htmlThe 32-member board of trustees has come under fire for its handling of a child sex abuse scandal that led to the firings of the university president and longtime football coach Joe Paterno.
It's a symbolic vote only.
I didn't realize how large a university it is - over 5,500 faculty and staff.
#64
Charlie Don't Surf
Charlie Don't Surf
I think Penn State is the largest United States college by a few different metrics. Or at least in the top 10 or so
#65
Gared
Gared
That does sound like a rather large amount of faculty and staff. I'm trying to think about how many employees we would have had at WSU, and I can't even fathom having that much faculty and staff, but then, we were a university with a 7,000 member freshman class size on average. How big of a school is PSU anyway? I know they used to be a very small, mostly agricultural school before Paterno got hold of their football program and turned it into the behemoth it was/is today, but I never managed to get a number on how much bigger it became (looked it up, it's approx 60k students according to wiki.answers.com and 43k according to chacha.com). So yes, he had a massive impact on the university itself, the surrounding area, the entire state of Pennsylvania, possibly even the world (I don't know what, if any, major research areas are studied/researched at PSU but there's bound to be something). Just wish he'd done more than just report to his boss when he was informed by the grad assistant what was going on. Maybe he wouldn't have been football coach for the past 9 years, but he may have been allowed to resign gracefully instead of being dragged through the muck like he was.
#66
Hailey Knight
Hailey Knight
Wow, we didn't even have that many students at my school.I didn't realize how large a university it is - over 5,500 faculty and staff.
#67
strawman
strawman
Bigger: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_University_of_Michigan_faculty_and_staff
Much, much bigger: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_California
That's a lot of people...
Much, much bigger: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_California
That's a lot of people...
#68
Gared
Gared
Yeah, UofC is huge - though that number does include all of the UC campuses (Berkeley, Davis, Santa Cruz etc.), it's not just one campus like some of the other major universities - though I think most of them have extension campuses throughout their states these days.
#69
Tress
Tress
Yeah, we're a special case out here. I don't think you can really lump all the faculty from the university system together. Each campus is so distinct.Yeah, UofC is huge - though that number does include all of the UC campuses (Berkeley, Davis, Santa Cruz etc.), it's not just one campus like some of the other major universities - though I think most of them have extension campuses throughout their states these days.
#70
blotsfan
blotsfan
If you go by college systems, the Ohio University system is the largest in the US with 478k students. I always thought Penn State is the largest if you go by a single campus though.
#71
Gared
Gared
Exactly. It's the same, or similar, with University of Wisconsin. The one most people associate with is UW Madison, but they have several other locations in other cities as well, spread throughout the state.Yeah, we're a special case out here. I don't think you can really lump all the faculty from the university system together. Each campus is so distinct.
#72
sixpackshaker
sixpackshaker
To further the derailment.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_university_campuses_by_enrollment
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_university_campuses_by_enrollment