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I think we all kinda saw this coming due to the money, but this is pretty huge. Wonder where he goes next? Because he ain't done yet.

If he goes anywhere other than Browns, Redskins, Chiefs, or Dolphins, I'll be shocked.

Scuttlebutt around here says he wants to come to Houston.

sixpackshaker said:

Scuttlebutt around here says he wants to come to Houston.

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I highly doubt they'd throw Schaub under the bus like that. AND they have no fucking cap space after overpaying for Foster.

Charlie Don't Surf said:

I highly doubt they'd throw Schaub under the bus like that. AND they have no fucking cap space after overpaying for Foster.

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Houston does not really owe Schaub anything. He is a good QB, but does not hold a candle to Peyton. Besides there is 3 great seasons left in Peyton, even if it will take 5 years to get those 3.

I've now also heard the Vikings.

i think whoever signs him will regret it. Wouldn't surprise me if he doesn't play again.

blotsfan said:

i think whoever signs him will regret it. Wouldn't surprise me if he doesn't play again.

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He'll have to pass a physical to play. He just received his clearance to practice again. So there is not much danger to the teams that sign him.

Wow I totally misunderstood that thread title.

Mark my words - 49s will make a serious run despite Smith's performance last season.

Denver?

I'm hearing a lot of Denver talk. Tebow would be out as a QB in the NFL. Maybe he'd be a TE but he'd not be a QB again.

Washington is out. They just traded up to the 2nd pick in the draft.

That opens up Saint Louis.

Nope. They're sticking with Sam Bradford.

Denver seems to be the front runner. Various ESPN talking heads are of the opinion Elway wants Peyton to get them out of the Tebow situation as gracefully as possible.

So the question would then be, what happens with Tebow?

And what happens if Peyton is hurt in the season opener?

Elway is up in the owner's box... and should be well rested.

And he's also about seven years older than I am.

Tebow is a terrible quarterback and will never play in the position again in the NFL.

Dave said:

Tebow is a terrible quarterback and will never play in the position again in the NFL.

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He has to play. I don't want to see 1 Billion Facebook updates about how he was cut for his religious beliefs.

I dunno how I feel about the Titans in the Peyton Manning sweepstakes. If we sign any combination of Hutchinson, Mario Williams, and Peyton, I'll be psyched.

The problem is, one of his demands will be to change the team's primary colors from blue and white to orange and white...

I guess God's Gift to Football will have to look for some other team that needs a good college QB.

He'll probably go to Miami.

My favorite post on Yahoo! about this is...

"Aww cute, he went from a little horse to a big horse."

Jacksonville. Hometown. That's all.


...and part of me wonders if Elway made a huge mistake.

Elway did what is best for his team. Tebow is a winner, but he can't QB for shit.

With Tebow at the helm, the Broncos won in spite of him, not because of him. They won because of a stellar string of defensive performances. They won because their kicker made several game winning kicks over 50 yards, including one that was 59 yards long. They won because a running back for Chicago didn't think fast enough to down himself instead of going out of bounds like a moron.

It wasn't Tebow that won it. His performances in those game were nothing short of atrocious. The REST of the team got the win, not his one or two plays at the end. He just got all the glory from the fundie idiots who claimed it was God giving a shit about a football game.

fade said:

Wow I totally misunderstood that thread title.

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Local ABC's headline was "Peyton Comes Out in Denver"

This just in...

ESPN via Twitter said:

Denver traded quarterback Tim Tebow to the NY Jets.

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Hopefully the New Jersey fans are smarter than the Denver fans. Mark Sanchez is a good QB. If he loses his starting job to this overblown piece of crap it will be a travesty.

Tebow for TE.

Sanchez is kind of a shitty QB

Charlie Don't Surf said:

Sanchez is kind of a shitty QB

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Now I know you're trolling. Dude is one of the top 10 NFL QBs according to stats. But you keep talking, Chucky.

Charlie Don't Surf said:

Sanchez is kind of a shitty QB

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But he is still far better than Tebow. He can't even do the footwork for a 3 or 5 step drop.

I never said he was worse than Tebow, just that he's not that great

Is it him or is it his head coach?

Dave said:

Now I know you're trolling. Dude is one of the top 10 NFL QBs according to stats. But you keep talking, Chucky.

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What kind of stats are you looking at?

Maybe playoff wins.

drifter said:

What kind of stats are you looking at?

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I was looking at my fantasy football site. But he did lead the Jets to an 8-8 season. They melted down at the end, but they were in the thick of it.

A sub-par QB on a defense-first team going 8 - 8? Hmm, that sure sounds familiar...

And you think Tebow is an upgrade?

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I was looking at my fantasy football site.

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You called The Sanchize a top ten QB based on FFL scoring stats; you don't deserve serious comments.

drifter said:

You called The Sanchize a top ten QB based on FFL scoring stats; you don't deserve serious comments.

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Yeah, I looked at the wrong stat page. Sue me.

But he's still way better than Tebow.

Aw, I'm just messing with you Dave, I don't mean anything by it.

Personally, I think he'd be better off in Jacksonville.

As a UF alumni, I gotta defend Tebow. I like him both as a quarterback and as a person. There was hardly a nicer person on campus.

Terrik said:

As a UF alumni, I gotta defend Tebow. I like him both as a quarterback and as a person. There was hardly a nicer person on campus.

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That's great and all, but that doesn't make him an NFL caliber QB. A lot of good college QBs (in fact, almost all) can't make it in the NFL because they're not good enough. The only reason anyone knows about Tebow is because of idiots who see his faith instead of his talent. God gave Tebow talent, but not NFL talent.

The reason people know about Tebow really isn't his faith.

He won two national championships in college, and then as a starter he got credit for.... some high absurd number of come-from-behind, dramatic 4th quarter victories in leading the Broncos to a division title. This wasn't an isolated thing to Tebow -it's the NFL's systemic "everything is a result of the Quarterback" culture. Then he shocked the heavily favored Steelers in the playoffs by throwing for a fuckton of yards(316 lol) including the game winning score.

What's amusing is I hear more about Tebow from people like Dave, than the people Dave is referring to.

Covar said:

What's amusing is I hear more about Tebow from people like Dave, than the people Dave is referring to.

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You don't hear any of the news fro Denver then. I have relatives there and hear about it all the time.

Plus, if you watch ESPN at all...

Tebow was a big story because Florida won while Tebow didn't do anything particularly mechanically well as a passer. Fortunately, a college team can get away with doing that.

Then he got a chance on a terrible Denver team, and the team started winning. Mass media equates a team winning to a quarterback winning.

Surprisingly enough, the thing that improved the most after adding Tebow was Denver's rushing offense, which actually was affected directly by Tebow.

Then, in the playoff game, Tebow was actually really good as a passer, again surprising against the #1 passing defense in the NFL.

Overall, though? Mechanically not good, and not accurate as a passer. As a running QB, though? Probably top 5 in the league.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-s...n-believes-peyton-manning-hurt-142935112.html

Stay classy, you old fart.

Pat's a nice guy, but somewhere after that run for President back in '88, he took a wrong turn at Albuquerque.

I'm of the mind that Tebow is bad at passing decent at running. And today I wondered if the Jets could use him as a running back with the threat of passing for trick plays.

Then I got to thinking, would it be easier to train a running back to be a good enough passer for this role, or would it make more sense to use an ok passer with decent running skills?

The Jets used to deploy Brad Smith, a QB in college, in the Wildcat. So yeah, it seems pretty likely that's how the Jets will use him.

Nowadays it seems like teams are on the lookout for athletic QBs precisely for such a reason, but there are still relatively few out there who are legitimate running threats. Given the available talent pool, it may be easier to train up a RB by default. Also, I'd guess teams don't want to spend a roster spot on a guy who's only an okay passer and an okay runner. If he can't legitimately backup a spot, he's a luxury teams may not be able to afford.

Tebow would make an excellent TE. He has the size and moves to be able to be one of the most successful TEs in the game. He does not have the skills to be a good QB in the NFL. He could be a TE and still be a viable 3rd/4th string backup just in case, which would mean the roster would be able to be balanced.

But he's probably like that whiner Eric Crouch from Nebraska. Gets drafted into the NFL and St. Louis wanted to use him as either a TE or a WR and keep him as the QB3. He said nope. It was QB or nothing. So they cut his ass. What happened? Bulger and Warner both got hurt - he'd have started at least 2 games. Now he's out of the league having never played a snap on offense (he played Safety for the Hamburg Sea Devils in NFL Europe).

Tebow's press conference was on the television earlier. I think he's really excited to be a Jet. I figured from how he said exactly this thirty-or-more times during his time answering questions.

Also, when he speaks to reporters (press conference or otherwise), he sounds like a small child who's been crying. He has this run-on sentence plus almost always out of breath sound going on.

"So, I got the ball and I saw so-and-so and I threw him the ball (breath) and then he was running and I was running and he scored and (breath) then we were running together and it was really great and then we won the game and (breath) and now you guys are asking me questions about it (breath) and I'm really excited to be a Jet!"

Yeah.

OK, I am not up to snuff on most NFL stats, but is it recorded for QB's the actual distance of passes and not the total yardage gain for the play?

IE Brady pass 8 yards to Welker who runs up field for 22 yards making it a 30 yard pass?

Its 30 passing yards. There are places that you can find more in depth info like that, but the standard passing yards stat includes those.

I know about the yards after catch stat, but is there a recorded thrown yardage stat? Aside from completions/interceptions that would seem to be the best indicator for a QB.

Sort of like (FSM help me) total balls thrown by a starting pitcher in baseball. Does a QB become tired at a certain yard limit?

NFL QB's don't throw as hard or as often as a MLB Pitcher does. 30 passes is a lot. Most starting pitchers will throw 100 pitches at most (rule of thumb, it has been a while since I've seen a lot of baseball.)

They have been keeping track of pitches/strikes for a while, and 100 pitches isn't always the ROT when it comes to starters (Some guys it's 120, some it's 95 - it depends on a lot of things, like injury and effectiveness).

YAC is a stat, but it is only kept for receivers, for some reason.

Football statistics are just fucked up.

Well, there's one argument to be made that a QB should get credit for leading a receiver to get them to get more YAC (yards after completion)

As long as Tebow isn't starting QB (he just hasn't had the kind of performance to make that a good idea with a new team that no one is sure will be a good fit for him), I say welcome to NJ.