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Spin the wheel of doom. . . . It's a member of the Fantastic Four.

Death is in store for one of the Fantastic Four - USATODAY.com

Marvel Comics said Wednesday that a member of the foursome — Mr. Fantastic, Invisible Woman, Human Torch and the Thing — will die in issue No. 587 next month, a change that the company said will ripple across the Marvel Universe like never before.

Any bets on who it is?

Human torch. Mr fantastic is too important and will invent a way to resurrect him in 2 years. Ben already died once, I think, and Sue is his brother so she'll be where all the drama is at.

Aren't they killing SpiderMan as well?

The Marvel Universe's ultimate spoiler:

Cheesy1 said:

The Marvel Universe's ultimate spoiler:

Spoiler

They all die!

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The ultimate-ultimate spoiler!

It'd be ballsy if they offed Reed Richards, if only because no one would expect it. But yeah... it's going to be Johnny.

Ever since they broke the law of death by bringing Bucky back, comics just haven't been the same.

My friend, Anthony, said that he doesn't like comics a lot, and only knows three things about them.

1) You don't bring back Bucky
2) You don't bring back Robin
3) They brought both back

I give the death six months, tops.

They can't kill Reed... they already said it's going to be a hero....

-rimshot-

but everyone knows Reed Richards is Useless

phil said:

My friend, Anthony, said that he doesn't like comics a lot, and only knows three things about them.

1) You don't bring back Bucky
2) You don't bring back Robin
3) They brought both back

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To be fair, Jason Todd came back as a villain, did so in a way that wasn't utterly bullshit, and has not repented in the least for the things he's done before or since. He didn't "come back"... he became something else. I always found this an acceptable alternative.

ThatNickGuy said:

I give the death six months, tops.

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Cap lasted two years dead. That was pretty good, as far as deaths go. Let's hope Reed does it longer... or that he just doesn't come back.

ThatNickGuy said:

I give the death six months, tops.

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So has Hickman. Reed/Sue/Johnny/Ben will be back before he leaves the book. He's stated this when the storyline was announced several months ago.

I for one am loving the misdirection he and Marvel are putting out. Every single poster and cover they've shown for post death has had a different member missing, or multiple versions with a different combination, and during interviews Hickman has been more than willing to state who is dieing, changing the answer each time. I haven't read this weeks FF yet, but each member is being placed in a situation where they might get offed (as of last months issue), and it's been great so far.

It better by Doom killing Richards finally.

If it's Reed it will be by the hand of Galactus.

AshburnerX;462837][QUOTE=phil said:

To be fair, Jason Todd came back as a villain, did so in a way that wasn't utterly bullshit, and has not repented in the least for the things he's done before or since. He didn't "come back"... he became something else. I always found this an acceptable alternative.

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Nope, sorry, the fans voted him dead, he should have stayed dead. The impact of Death in the Family is reduced by his return in any form.

I have to agree. As much as I loved Red Hood, it cheapened one of those most powerful stories in all of Batman history.

While I can't comment on the Bucky thing (as I didn't read it) and found the Jason Todd thing hokey at the time (while at the very least being please with what they've done with him SINCE), I don't put much into the whole revolving door argument.

As was pointed out, this is not being billed as a permanent death. It's a story being told and the writer is admitting to much. This is no different than when Superman died and recently when Batman "died." In both cases, publicity for the stories admitted that this was a journey the characters were taking and that they would return. The when and how being the deeper mystery. Granted, when Superman died, there was no (or very little) internet, and so any coverage on the event itself was minor compared to today. So I'd wager a vast number of comic readers never saw those interviews. But to argue that no one stays dead in comics isn't really fair.

If you start seeing Ralph and Sue Dibney or Ted Kord come back, then maybe the argument will stand....

Uncle Ben will always stay dead.

kay, you should read Brubaker's Captain America, everything he has done on that book have been horrible ideas executed wonderfully. Solid book.

Also if you want to read the Batman storylines done right just read Captain America. It's getting annoying how much DC is copying (badly I might add).

kaykordeath said:

If you start seeing Ralph and Sue Dibney or Ted Kord come back, then maybe the argument will stand....

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It'll happen. Just as soon as Booster is able to throw off his leash, it'll happen.

AshburnerX said:

To be fair, Jason Todd came back as a villain, did so in a way that wasn't utterly bullshit...

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Having Superboy-Prime punching the walls of reality so that a Jason Todd from an alternate Earth switched places with the dead Jason Todd isn't utterly bullshit?

Gryfter;462885][QUOTE=AshburnerX said:

To be fair, Jason Todd came back as a villain, did so in a way that wasn't utterly bullshit, and has not repented in the least for the things he's done before or since. He didn't "come back"... he became something else. I always found this an acceptable alternative.

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Nope, sorry, the fans voted him dead, he should have stayed dead. The impact of Death in the Family is reduced by his return in any form.[/QUOTE]

It was only just barely, though, if I recall.

ThatNickGuy said:

Having Superboy-Prime punching the walls of reality so that a Jason Todd from an alternate Earth switched places with the dead Jason Todd isn't utterly bullshit?

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Hey if Hulk can do it....

MindDetective;463194][QUOTE=Gryfter;462885][QUOTE=AshburnerX said:

To be fair, Jason Todd came back as a villain, did so in a way that wasn't utterly bullshit, and has not repented in the least for the things he's done before or since. He didn't "come back"... he became something else. I always found this an acceptable alternative.

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Nope, sorry, the fans voted him dead, he should have stayed dead. The impact of Death in the Family is reduced by his return in any form.[/QUOTE]

It was only just barely, though, if I recall.[/QUOTE]

72 votes. And I thought I remember them saying that they found out that a good portion of them were all coming from one person. (maybe the joker?)

ThatNickGuy;463185][QUOTE=AshburnerX said:

To be fair, Jason Todd came back as a villain, did so in a way that wasn't utterly bullshit...

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Having Superboy-Prime punching the walls of reality so that a Jason Todd from an alternate Earth switched places with the dead Jason Todd isn't utterly bullshit?[/QUOTE]

I think that is the definition of utter bullshit....

ThatNickGuy;463185][QUOTE=AshburnerX said:

To be fair, Jason Todd came back as a villain, did so in a way that wasn't utterly bullshit...

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Having Superboy-Prime punching the walls of reality so that a Jason Todd from an alternate Earth switched places with the dead Jason Todd isn't utterly bullshit?[/QUOTE]

complete bullshit, and more of giving fans something nobody wanted, just like Barry Allen.

ThatNickGuy;463185][QUOTE=AshburnerX said:

To be fair, Jason Todd came back as a villain, did so in a way that wasn't utterly bullshit...

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Having Superboy-Prime punching the walls of reality so that a Jason Todd from an alternate Earth switched places with the dead Jason Todd isn't utterly bullshit?[/QUOTE]

Wait, that's how it happened in the comics? Ok, that's bullshit. I prefer the explanation given in Batman: Under the Red Hood (most recent Batman animated movie). In that, Ra's al Ghul stole the body and had it replaced before it was buried, then dumped it in a Lazarus pit to resurrect it. However, Jason Todd came back a bit deranged and the movie is basically about him getting back at Batman for failing him.

Yeah, the movie version was basically how the story SHOULD have gone down.

*bump*

So Marvel has allowed retailers to sell the FF today. It comes in a nice black bag that has the "three" logo on it, inside a member of the FF dies. Quality of the book continues to be on par with the rest of Hickman's run. I've read it, I won't say who, people can read it for themselves.

AshburnerX said:

Having Superboy-Prime punching the walls of reality so that a Jason Todd from an alternate Earth switched places with the dead Jason Todd isn't utterly bullshit?

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Wait, that's how it happened in the comics? Ok, that's bullshit. I prefer the explanation given in Batman: Under the Red Hood (most recent Batman animated movie). In that, Ra's al Ghul stole the body and had it replaced before it was buried, then dumped it in a Lazarus pit to resurrect it. However, Jason Todd came back a bit deranged and the movie is basically about him getting back at Batman for failing him.[/quote]

The "punched reality in the nuts" explanation was actually a pseudo-retcon. In the original Hush storyline that kicked everything off, while they weren't completely explicity, they pretty much implied the events that were explicitly stated in the movie.

The reality-nut-punch was more of a DC saying "let's work it into our crossover" kind of moment.

EDIT: One of the few times I hold Jeph Loeb blameless for stupid crap while he's writing.

Yeah it's a simple google search on the FF death anyway.

SpecialKO said:

Wait, that's how it happened in the comics? Ok, that's bullshit. I prefer the explanation given in Batman: Under the Red Hood (most recent Batman animated movie). In that, Ra's al Ghul stole the body and had it replaced before it was buried, then dumped it in a Lazarus pit to resurrect it. However, Jason Todd came back a bit deranged and the movie is basically about him getting back at Batman for failing him.

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The "punched reality in the nuts" explanation was actually a pseudo-retcon. In the original Hush storyline that kicked everything off, while they weren't completely explicity, they pretty much implied the events that were explicitly stated in the movie.

The reality-nut-punch was more of a DC saying "let's work it into our crossover" kind of moment.

EDIT: One of the few times I hold Jeph Loeb blameless for stupid crap while he's writing.[/quote]

As I recall it that Jason Todd turned out to actually be Clayface?

yep, although stupidly retconed when they decided to bring Jason back for real.

Yet another reason why I wish creative teams would just be given nearly free reign to do as they please without editorial meddling. I say nearly, so we don't see out of character moments like, oh, I don't know, making a deal with the devil to remove the character's marriage from reality.

Wait...that was editorial, too. Probably the biggest editorial meddling, come to think of it.

As far as dead character is concerned? As far as I know, they're the only one of the team not to have died at one point or another, so I guess it's their turn.

Spoiler explanation of above statement:

I still give it six months, tops.

ThatNickGuy said:

I still give it six months, tops.

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Twelve. That's when they hit issue #600.

meh..... meh I tell you meh!

http://www.usatoday.com/life/comics/2011-01-25-FantasticFourDeath_N.htm

"By this time next year, it will be something completely different that will still have some of the touchstones and flavor of the current Fantastic Four, but that hopefully it will seem exciting and different and new and modern to people who maybe have taken the FF as a property and a crew of characters for granted because they've been around for so long."

Reed makes a deal with Mephisto to bring back the dead member but the consequences will never be the same again!!! They are transported back to high school before the space mission but get to keep their powers. It's like Twilight with super powers.

my prediction for a Human Torch replacement.

H.E.R.B.I.E.



Yes, he was actually his replacement on TV. The Network was afraid kids would set themselves on fire and jump off of buildings... I'm not making this up.

sixpackshaker said:

my prediction for a Human Torch replacement.

H.E.R.B.I.E.

Yes, he was actually his replacement on TV. The Network was afraid kids would set themselves on fire and jump off of buildings... I'm not making this up.

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Incorrectamundo!

http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2005/09/15/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-16/

sixpackshaker said:

Yes, he was actually his replacement on TV. The Network was afraid kids would set themselves on fire and jump off of buildings... I'm not making this up.

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You're not making it up, but you're not correct either. Marvel licensed out the rights to the Human Torch for live action and they were therefore tied up when NBC commissioned a cartoon the next year. Thus, HERBIE. The "light themselves on fire" reason was stated by some writers from the show, either out of blind guessing or because it was a better story, but a glance t the facts shows it to be false.

Citation: http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2005/09/15/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-16/

EDIT: Fuck, ninja'd.

That is still as unsubstantiated as the stupid suits rumor. Likely true though.

It could also date back to the Terrible Haloween costume ideas for kids, on SNL at the time.

Buck Roger's helmet: plastic bag
Human Torch: bottle of lighter fluid.

They killed him forty years too late.

Lesser known members of the Fantastic Four!
to sum up:
Luke Cage
H.E.R.B.I.E.
Wolverine, Ghost Rider, Spider-Man and the Hulk.
She-Thing

Mentioned, but not detailed, are: Black Panther, the Inhumans Crystal and Medusa, She-Hulk, and Reed and Sue's kids.
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Hmm, I'm pondering. What if they replace the Human Torch with the Human Torch? Oh, he's already dead. Nevermind.

Tress said:

The ultimate-ultimate spoiler!

Spoiler

They come back to life eventually anyway, leaving you to wonder why they bothered with the storyline in the first place!

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HAHA! It's the economy, stupid!

They do it to sucker people into buying the comic for sales.

figmentPez said:

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Hmm, I'm pondering. What if they replace the Human Torch with the Human Torch? Oh, he's already dead. Nevermind.

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As of the recent mini "The Torch", he's actually alive again. As is Toro.

So Human Torch is dead. Looks like Spiderman is going to join The Fantastic Four The Future Foundation. Seriously, that is their new name. And a picture of their new costumes (Spidey has a new costume as well, for the life of me I can't figure out why) is also there.

http://www.usatoday.com/life/comics/2011-02-09-spider-man-fantastic-4_N.htm

According to the article The Fantastic Four ended with issue 588. Is the series continuing with issue 589 etc or have they discontinued that comic for The Future Foundation? It would be a shame if they stopped that series.

And speaking of Spiderman here is some news on the new Venom. http://www.usatoday.com/life/comics/2011-02-08-NewVenom_N.htm Now that Marvel has wiped out the past 20 years of Spiderman stories the symbiote no longer comes from Secret Wars. It's a government program and is given to Flash Thompson. It's a military weapon and Flash gets it for 20 missions before it's passed on to the next individual. Quote from the article " Readers can expect "a big dollop of high adventure, dipped in international intrigue puree and sprinkled with a healthy love of Sean Connery 007 films,"
I am so glad I quit reading Marvel.

Ugh... this on top of the Blue Beetle news? Sad day for comic readers.

"Damn it. Marvel is killing one of their heroes? They're going to get all the press. Who can we kill? ... Blue Beetle! We've already killed Ted Kord a few times in various stories, we can kill Jaimie this time. Then we'll kill him on Smallville too."

Wut.

Have they completely lost it over at Marvel?!

Did they buy their new costumes in the gift shop at Tommorowland or EPCOT?

WHY are they so god damn happy in that picture?! Johnny JUST died! Did they all secretly hate him!?

They had BLue Beetle killed....BY MAXWELL LORD.

Fuck. If there no such thing as subtlety anymore?

Here's hoping for a fake out.

LittleSin said:

They had BLue Beetle killed....BY MAXWELL LORD.

Fuck. If there no such thing as subtlety anymore?

Here's hoping for a fake out.

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There's no blood, so it's possible he's alive. If he's not, then why kill him? Blue Beetle's been getting a lot of exposure thanks to Batman: The Brave and the Bold. Killing him instead of exploiting him doesn't make any sense.

AshburnerX said:

There's no blood, so it's possible he's alive. If he's not, then why kill him? Blue Beetle's been getting a lot of exposure thanks to Batman: The Brave and the Bold. Killing him instead of exploiting him doesn't make any sense.

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http://insidepulse.com/2011/02/09/s...tle-die-in-justice-league-generation-lost-19/
Looks like a pretty good head shot to me. But if there's anything we've learned from Rep. Giffords is you can recover from a head wound.

Steve said:

Looks like a pretty good head shot to me.

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What if Jaimie isn't inside the armor?

figmentPez said:

What if Jaimie isn't inside the armor?

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That's my idea. Besides, last time I checked, Humans don't bleed black and head wounds usually have more blood.

LittleSin said:

They had BLue Beetle killed....BY MAXWELL LORD.

Fuck. If there no such thing as subtlety anymore?

Here's hoping for a fake out.

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Wait...again? Max killed Ted Kord, too. Shot 'em in the head.

I haven't read it yet, but this just don't wash for me. Blue Beetle is not only getting a lot of positive attention based on Batman: The Brave and The Bold (he was one of four partners in the video game for goodness sake!) but he is slated to appear in an episode of Smallville later this season. Written by Geoff Johns himself. I say fake out.

Overflight said:

Wut.

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As moss said over on IRC: Spiderstig!

Spider-Trooper

what? what is that floating head? It looks the same as the floating head behind blondie's ass there.
and there's a parrot? 2 parrots?
What's with Mr. Fantastic's left arm? is he scratching his ass? is he waving at us but looking away because he's really not happy to see us. What an obnoxious jerk.

Who are the two blond guys?

Personally I thought Spidey's Civil War outfit was pretty good though.

I'm guessing the blondes are the kids.

Steve said:

And speaking of Spiderman here is some news on the new Venom. http://www.usatoday.com/life/comics/2011-02-08-NewVenom_N.htm Now that Marvel has wiped out the past 20 years of Spiderman stories the symbiote no longer comes from Secret Wars. It's a government program and is given to Flash Thompson. It's a military weapon and Flash gets it for 20 missions before it's passed on to the next individual. Quote from the article " Readers can expect "a big dollop of high adventure, dipped in international intrigue puree and sprinkled with a healthy love of Sean Connery 007 films,"
I am so glad I quit reading Marvel.

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Not really....it's still the same symbiote. It's just in government possession after getting removed from Mac Gargan.

Am I the only one that thinks G.I. Venom sounds like a good story? Although, I'm hoping for the symbiote personality to get a chance to take over from time to time.

Frankie Williamson said:

Not really....it's still the same symbiote. It's just in government possession after getting removed from Mac Gargan.

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Exactly. Venom has been kicking around in a prominent role in the Marvel U since Civil War. Brand New Day had no effect on the Venom symbiote...except it was Peter's serious girlfriend Mary Jane Watson that it harassed, not his wife Mary Jane Parker.

Ravenpoe said:

Am I the only one that thinks G.I. Venom sounds like a good story? Although, I'm hoping for the symbiote personality to get a chance to take over from time to time.

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No you're not. I'm trying real hard to not buy this new series (can barely afford my comics week to week as it is) but the Flash Thompson sub plot has been SO interesting during BND (which I like...not One More Day, but the stories they followed it) that I am sorely tempted.

How does the Symbiote remember who Peter is?

Also the symbiote has been more than willing to kill hosts it doesn't like think are good enough, what's to keep it from just ditching Flash when he's leaping across buildings like it did to the mobsters kid?

Covar said:

How does the Symbiote remember who Peter is?

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It remembers being bonded to Spider-Man. It may or may not remember Spider-Man is Peter Parker. I don't really recall that being super important to the symbiote itself in the past anyways.

Also the symbiote has been more than willing to kill hosts it doesn't like think are good enough, what's to keep it from just ditching Flash when he's leaping across buildings like it did to the mobsters kid?

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It ditched Fortunato for being a coward. Flash Thompson is currently (SPOILERS THAT ARE ADMITTEDLY OVER A YEAR OLD NOW) an Iraq War vet who lost his legs saving some of his platoon members. Cowardice will not be an issue. Likewise, if the symbiote can make Mac Gargan hulk sized, it can give Flash some legs no problem.

It's not about the cowardice, it's about the Symbiote who hates Spider-man being bonded to Spider-man's biggest fan.

Covar said:

It's not about the cowardice, it's about the Symbiote who hates Spider-man being bonded to Spider-man's biggest fan.

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I just got the issue today, and just read the short origin story. Spoilers below:

The government is taking every precaution to prevent the Venom symbiote from taking control. The suit is only worn 48 hours at a time, it is sonic-ed off at the end of that period, each Venom recruit has precisely 20 field missions before the suit is taken away from them permanently and passed to the next guy, and there is an implant in the soldier's head that will "nuke his brain" if the symbiote starts to overtake him. Additionally, each subject is picked for their strength of will and dosed with chemicals that retard the symbiote's ability to take control over the host while making it easier for the host to control it. Flash is selected for his heroism and his desire to receive powers like this, Flash jumps at the chance to serve his country as Super-Soldier Spider-Man. The program has already claimed the life of the first test subject, though Flash is seeming more successful at remaining in control.

They didn't just decide "hey, the symbiote is totally docile now". They take pains to explain that keeping the symbiote in their control is very hard.

http://www.slashfilm.com/sony-announces-spiderman-movie-title-amazing-spiderman/

New pics of the Spiderman outfit. Guess it's still too early to tell how it'll look on the big screen.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbi...-movie-title-Andrew-Garfield-debuts-suit.html

Dear God it's bad.