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Just curious what everyone's thoughts were. He's out of jail completely now, and the 2009 NFL Season is starting in a month. The NFL commissioner has reinstated him to be able to report to training camp/preseason, BUT can't play in a regular season game until Week 6. Is this too much? too little?

He should be executed. Seriously, the guy is a sick fuck.

Play right away. He's done his time, he regreted his actions. There's nothing that he's done that should be affecting him on the field. Let the man play.

I'm gonna start printing my 'FREE MIKE VICK' t-shirts now.

Congratulations, NFL, for not just tolerating but embracing your reputation as a place where the scum of humanity are welcome to come earn millions of dollars.

So you think when someone commits a crime, they shouldn't get to return to work after they've paid their debt to society?

Charlie Dont Surf said:

So you think when someone commits a crime, they shouldn't get to return to work after they've paid their debt to society?

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No, I am not extrapolating this situation to generalizations.

I would never hire a rehabilitated ex-convict, even if they were incredibly good and efficient at their job. Can't have that kind of element in my organization.

They should have the opportunity to return to work but the employer may not want them back immediately or at all.

I just think once you serve your time in prison, you shouldn't be barred from at least a chance to get paid doing what you used to do. I'd completely understand if no team wanted to take a chance on him. But further banning him is too severe. The NFL isn't the only corporation that hires people that have been convicted of crimes. I think it's an admirable thing to do since the country as a whole tends to shit on ex-cons a lot. We certainly could do more to encourage them to stay away from returning to a life of crime, but that's a whole 'nother thread.

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I would never hire a rehabilitated ex-convict, even if they were incredibly good and efficient at their job. Can't have that kind of element in my organization.

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Yes, that's exactly what I was saying and exactly how I feel.

I think he should be allowed back in and I hate the guy.

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I just think once you serve your time in prison, you shouldn't be barred from at least a chance to get paid doing what you used to do. I'd completely understand if no team wanted to take a chance on him. But further banning him is too severe. The NFL isn't the only corporation that hires people that have been convicted of crimes. I think it's an admirable thing to do since the country as a whole tends to poop on ex-cons a lot. We certainly could do more to encourage them to stay away from returning to a life of crime, but that's a whole 'nother thread.

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I'm actually with you on this one. But I do understand that ex-cons represent a likelihood for more trouble as well. This is more of a problem with how good our prisons are at rehabilitation (that is, they completely suck) than the ex-cons themselves. It is a somewhat reasonable expectation that an ex-con is going to be a bad investment of time, money, and energy right now. That's in some part society's failing, I think.

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So you think when someone commits a crime, they shouldn't get to return to work after they've paid their debt to society?

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Also, if you want a genuine debate on this topic, this is nowhere near the way to go about it.

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Kissinger said:

I would never hire a rehabilitated ex-convict, even if they were incredibly good and efficient at their job. Can't have that kind of element in my organization.

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Yes, that's exactly what I was saying and exactly how I feel.

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Damn Zen, you're cold. :slywink:

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Damn Zen, you're cold. :slywink:

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Well, Charlie and Kissinger totally blew my cover with their cunning rhetorical trickery so what was left but to admit it?

I think one of the problems with rehabilitation is the treatment of ex-cons after they are released and their ability to find jobs because they are ex-cons, It certainly doesn't help deter them from more than likely what sent them in there.

Secondly I feel he should be allowed to play, though its one of those things, NFL is hardly a haven for the morally and ethically elite, but these days its hard to find many fields that don't have blemishes.

Though I am quite sure this will devolve into a arguement of problems with 'double' punishments, as well as how are punishments decided in jobs or in the NFL.

Yes, he did his time, but in his profession, he was idolized and made a role model. Due to his particular crime, I wouldn't allow him back in the league. I'm even trying to think of crimes that result in prison sentences (not just fines/community service/jail time) where I would allow someone back into the NFL, but can't.

No fucking rhetoric, no fucking mercy. This is one sick, heartless sack of shit. He may have "paid his debt" as far as the law of the land may be concerned, but to "society"? Not by a longshot. not as there are any among us who are still sickened by his actions. He wasn't just a participant in the ring, he RAN the ring and financed it. Goodell is a gutless coward for not sticking to his "code of conduct" and keeping him out.

Think about it the next time a neighbor's dog goes missing. Vick and his type routinely steal family pets out of yards to use as practice animals. This was his life off the field.

I sincerely hope that if he ever sees action in the NFL, he blows out both knees and both ankles in the first play of his first practice.

So, DarkAudit, you feel that the system has failed in this instance? That Vick should've had a longer or more severe sentence? What would your ideal solution for this situation be? How can we prevent failures like this from happening in the future?

He should be allowed to play. His broke the laws of society and the NFL never got around to deciding if he broke their rules. They just waited and now, if Vick has a good lawyer, I would say he has a case against the NFL if they forbid him from getting the chance to play football again. So the NFL is again not taking a stand, they will never reveal if they are going to suspend him or for how many games seasons, so no team will risk signing him until they know for certain when he can play for them.

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No smurfing rhetoric, no smurfing mercy. This is one sick, heartless sack of poop. He may have "paid his debt" as far as the law of the land may be concerned, but to "society"? Not by a longshot. not as there are any among us who are still sickened by his actions. He wasn't just a participant in the ring, he RAN the ring and financed it. Goodell is a gutless coward for not sticking to his "code of conduct" and keeping him out.

Think about it the next time a neighbor's dog goes missing. Vick and his type routinely steal family pets out of yards to use as practice animals. This was his life off the field.

I sincerely hope that if he ever sees action in the NFL, he blows out both knees and both ankles in the first play of his first practice.

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Damn right!

I don't know him, what he did, or the rules of the NFL, but a there was a situation similar in the English leagues recently.

Lee Hughes got convicted of death by dangerous driving, and leaving the scene of the accident. When he was released he got a new contract and began playing again, reasonably successfully in fact. And he does appear to be rehabilitated, so should be free to return to society. Except, that his is a job that people look up to, and idolise. Should he be allowed to return to such a publicly successful job? It seems a reasonable parallel to this Vick guy. It's not necessarily a question of rehabilitation, so much as setting a standard for others. If we could trust that everyone would know about his reformation, and his charity work etc, then great, but without that I worry that it could set a poor example, and we need to be careful of that, because if that causes any further harm to society then his sentence maybe wasn't large enough?

I wanted to say no at first, but I wonder what other skills this man has. I don't know anything about football or football players, but what if this is all he's trained for? Having no other prospects and feeling desperate can lead someone right back to less-than-wholesome activities.

As much as I hate what he did, I think it would be alright if he eventually got to play... eventually... as long as a close eye is kept on him. I guess part of what makes it harder to say that is that he's returning to a job where you get fame, a high income, and the adoration of young people who want to be just like the athletes. I always want to treat people in high-profile jobs differently in instances like this, but ultimately playing football is this man's work. I hope he's genuinely sorry and isn't simply sorry that he got caught.

What'd he get convicted for, murder or something?

He has been reinstated with conditions and if he can find a team will be eligible to play by week 6 of the 2009 season

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/32175602/ns/sports-nfl/

I don't know the entire story, Wahad, but he was heavily involved in dogfighting. If it was something like murder, I would have said no.

Dogfighting, huh.

Meh, I don't know how I feel about that.

Wahad said:

Dogfighting, huh.

Meh, I don't know how I feel about that.

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Then you have no soul. There is no "meh" when it comes to dogfighting.

Wahad said:

Dogfighting, huh.

Meh, I don't know how I feel about that.

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Well he was financing the whole dog fighting operation of 70 dogs not including the dogs that were executed by hanging, drowning, electrocution and shooting which some sources claim that he was around or participated in several of those.

Dubyamn said:

Wahad said:

Dogfighting, huh.

Meh, I don't know how I feel about that.

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Well he was financing the whole dog fighting operation of 70 dogs not including the dogs that were executed by hanging, drowning, electrocution and shooting which some sources claim that he was around or participated in several of those.

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Don't forget the bludgeoning. :eyeroll:

So was that proven?... that he killed dogs or helped to kill dogs that weren't good enough for the fights?

Let him back. His crime wasn't bad enough to merit additional punishment.

Just because he's back in doesn't mean any teams will sign him. He's a PR nightmare, and he's been out of the game for a couple years. People hate this man for his horrific crimes.

But then again, it would all be forgotten if he signed and did well.

Zappit said:

Just because he's back in doesn't mean any teams will sign him. He's a PR nightmare, and he's been out of the game for a couple years. People hate this man for his horrific crimes.

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Yeah but there are coaches out there who are under extreme pressure to produce results who might want to pick up a proven QB for peanuts. It'll be nasty but I don't think he'll be sitting out the entire season.

But then again, it would all be forgotten if he signed and did well.

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I don't think so his new home town might forgive and forget but I bet he'll be sprinting to his SUV with a phalanx of security guards in every other city for the rest of his career.

Clearly some people are huge animal lovers. Why such a huge punishment for dogs? While it is say morally or ethically wrong to do that to animals, I hardly find it to this point of where people are basically ready to lynch him. I like animals just as much as the next person and I find what he did to be heartless. But I think some people are not rational at all and are simply allowing their emotions to get the best of him.

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I like animals just as much as the next person

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No. You don't.

I loathe what he did but I'm also a firm believer in allowing people who have paid their dues to be able to rejoin society.

Shegokigo said:

crono1224 said:

I like animals just as much as the next person

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No. You don't.

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waa sure I do .

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Shegokigo said:

crono1224 said:

I like animals just as much as the next person

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No. You don't.

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waa sure I do .

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PUPPY KICKER!
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Hey, he's paid his time and he's free to do whatever he wants.

Similarly, all the teams in the NFL are just as free to, say, never ever let him play for any of them, ever, ever, again.

I predict he will play for Cleavland. Their fans will love him...

More like Baltimore or Cincy. Also, Dallas takes a lot of rejects on.

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Shegokigo said:

crono1224 said:

I like animals just as much as the next person

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No. You don't.

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waa sure I do .

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Are you gonna bark all day, little doggy, or are you gonna bite?

He should haver had his ears clipped and given a job fighting other idiots like himself... then his debt to society would have been payed.

Heck let him play right away for all I care, quickly enough people will get back to realizing how bad a quarterback he was turning out to be as his career progressed.

Unless he somehow fits in to some "slash" type role on offense (doubt it), I think he's fairly quickly going to fade out of the NFL spotlight once the controversy wears itself out. Not to mention he's not far at all from being over the hill in football age, not good for a player who's sole talent was pure athleticism.


oh, oops, I got off on the football side of things silly me...

...as far as what he did, I personally will enjoy seeing him fail ...(and I do believe he will, and I do hope fans at games rub it in well) ...but for the NFL not to let him in eventually would be a stark contrast to players who've been allowed back in the past. Players who were responsible for or involved in deaths of human beings.

well what was the point of prison if he can't get back to work once his time is served.

The guy is a waste of a human being, don't get me wrong but if he is not allowed to try to get his shit together by doing what he does best (playing football) after getting out of joint, you might as well throw the whole legal punishment system out of the window, take the convicts, line them against a wall and shoot them.

DarkAudit said:

Wahad said:

Dogfighting, huh.

Meh, I don't know how I feel about that.

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Then you have no soul. There is no "meh" when it comes to dogfighting.

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I meant in the sense of 'I'm not sure if I hate him enough because of that for him to be barred from any future football career.'

See, my stance towards animals is pretty much the same as it is to humans I don't know - I like them in general, but if something bad happens to them, that sucks for them but since I have no personal attachment, why should I care?

It is a crime, of course, and it's cruel. Cruelty isn't relative. But he paid the price, more or less, so yeah.

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More like Baltimore or Cincy. Also, Dallas takes a lot of rejects on.

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Balimore has a frontline QB who the fans would riot for if they sent him back to the bench and no way are they going to risk all the negative publicity for a back up QB.

Now if he was a wide receiver they would be considering it like they are for Brandon Marshall but not a QB at this time.

a) they let Adam Jones back in the league.
b) all Roger Goodell has given Vick is a chance.
c) Tony Dungee will be Vick's mentor to ensure Vick stays on the straight and narrow, and give Goodell a first hand look at Vick's off field development.

d) people talk about NFL players being role models and people to look up to. What does that say about the League though if they're not willing to give people a second chance after they've served their punishment? Its not a good message to send as well.

Covar said:

d) people talk about NFL players being role models and people to look up to.

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:blue:

@lien said:

He should haver had his ears clipped and given a job fighting other idiots like himself... then his debt to society would have been payed.

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I thought humans evolved past simplistic "eye for an eye" punishment thousands of years ago? We don't allow cruel and unusual punishment for a reason. Also society is human beings, not dogs.

Also, I'm fairly sure I don't remember anywhere in the list of crimes/charges/whatnot about the whole deal that he or anyone in his employ/posse ever went around stealing dogs out of people's yards.

This makes it seem like I think he's a great guy, and I really don't. What he did was terrible. I just think he deserves another chance and that a lot of people in this thread are overreacting.

The NFL is a private organization, and as such they have every right to either ban Vick for life or welcome him back with open arms and use him as the face of the league. They'd be pretty dumb to do the latter, but that's not what they're doing. All they're saying is that if a team wants to take on the risk of having him on their team, they can do so.

I wouldn't be thrilled if my team (Vikings) hired him, but I wouldn't banish them from my sports rotation forever if they did. As others have said, there are guys in all walks of life who've done worse things to human beings and are still gainfully employed, so the only reason people are coming down so much harder on Vick is because his victims were animals, which is an emotional response. No matter how understandable the emotions may be, they're usually not the best things to use when making decisions like these.

Charlie Dont Surf said:

I thought humans evolved past simplistic "eye for an eye" punishment thousands of years ago? We don't allow cruel and unusual punishment for a reason..

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Pfft, if we employed a stricter eye for an eye punishment instead of the bullshit we call a justice system now..... I know exactly which career I'd be headed for.

Shegokigo said:

Charlie Dont Surf said:

I thought humans evolved past simplistic "eye for an eye" punishment thousands of years ago? We don't allow cruel and unusual punishment for a reason..

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Pfft, if we employed a stricter eye for an eye punishment instead of the bullshit we call a justice system now..... I know exactly which career I'd be headed for.

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yes because you actually inflict pain on people and hurt human beings all the time, this is something you actually do. you are a monster that stalks and harms and kills people. you have a long history of doing this to living people and everyone is terrified of you because of this fact.

Shegokigo said:

Charlie Dont Surf said:

I thought humans evolved past simplistic "eye for an eye" punishment thousands of years ago? We don't allow cruel and unusual punishment for a reason..

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Pfft, if we employed a stricter eye for an eye punishment instead of the bullshit we call a justice system now..... I know exactly which career I'd be headed for.

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I agree we should torture, mutilate, and kill people convicted of crimes. Just like in the Dark Ages! That would show 'em! (Oh wait we actually do that last one and its effectiveness as a deterrent is questionable at best)

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I agree we should torture, mutilate, and kill people convicted of crimes. Just like in the Dark Ages! That would show 'em! (Oh wait we actually do that last one and its effectiveness as a deterrent is questionable at best)

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HOPE

Man, I just love VIOLENCE. And not just movie violence or stuff like that. Real, actual violence inflicted on other human beings. I enjoy it!

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I think Michael Vick is a horrible person and did an unthinkable thing, and if he were signed to my team I would probably not root for them again until they changed ownership (our owner is a pretty despicable person but that would just be too much for me). However. I would like to use this opportunity to say that if I saw someone like Donte Stallworth (convicted of DUI manslaughter after hitting and killing a pedestrian while drunk) allowed to come back (which looks likely -- although I admit I haven't been watching my sportscenter recently) and Michael Vick wasn't allowed to, I would be pretty appalled as well.

Covar said:

d) people talk about NFL players being role models and people to look up to. What does that say about the League though if they're not willing to give people a second chance after they've served their punishment? Its not a good message to send as well.

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The NFL is considered the top league of the sport, they should have a higher set of standards. This goes for all pro sports.

"We've given you one chance to excel and make a name for yourself. You're in a position to make millions and be adored by millions. There are countless people who have wanted this opportunity and never got it. Don't blow it."

"Oh, you blew it. You knew you it was illegal, yet you decided to do it anyway. Time to find a different career like the rest of the joes who never got a chance."

Charlie Dont Surf said:

yes because you actually inflict pain on people and hurt human beings all the time, this is something you actually do. you are a monster that stalks and harms and kills people. you have a long history of doing this to living people and everyone is terrified of you because of this fact.

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You know Charlie, you've been around for a while, and I knew it would take some time, but you finally got it! Phew, I was beginning to lose hope on ya.

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I agree we should torture, mutilate, and kill people convicted of crimes. Just like in the Dark Ages!

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YEAH! (I'm half tempted to put that quote in my sig. )

Kissinger said:

Man, I just love VIOLENCE. And not just movie violence or stuff like that. Real, actual violence inflicted on other human beings. I enjoy it!

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You too? Oh we should compare notes and pictures!

you literally just used the smiley twice in one post.

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but seriously your gimmick is really stupid

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you literally just used the smiley twice in one post.

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You, sir, are wonderful at stating the obvious.

But at least you used the word "literally" correct. That always pisses me off when people do it wrong.

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but seriously your gimmick is really stupid

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Gimmick because you say so? :eyeroll:

Oh and one for the road.

Shegokigo said:

Kissinger said:

but seriously your gimmick is really stupid

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Gimmick because you say so? :eyeroll:

Oh and one for the road.

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It's a gimmick because you are not actually torturing people to death or stalking forumites or killing anyone. But you pretend to because it's cool?

Come on, you know calling her out just gives her more of the attention she craves.

Charlie Dont Surf said:

It's a gimmick because you are not actually torturing people to death or stalking forumites or killing anyone. But you pretend to because it's cool?

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I've had the police visit my home once because of the forums (Halfpixel) I'm not dumb enough to admit anything seriously in a public venue again.

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Come on, you know calling her out just gives her more of the attention she craves.

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I'm craving attention because I like to talk about certain subjects? How is this any different than someone talking about movies?

oh yeah the time when you created an alt and came to halfpixel to "brag" and ask what you should do after implying you had murdered someone or at least done something that would get you life in jail.

I suppose that was the reason you got a visit from the police since Kris permabanned you and called the cops.

No, no, no you certainly don't crave attention at all !

Shegokigo said:

Charlie Dont Surf said:

It's a gimmick because you are not actually torturing people to death or stalking forumites or killing anyone. But you pretend to because it's cool?

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I've had the police visit my home once because of the forums (Halfpixel) I'm not dumb enough to admit anything seriously in a public venue again.

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Oh lol, I didn't get to hear that one. Care to share the story again?

As your duly elected Messiah and savior, I declare this motherfucker to be a motherfucking monster who deserves no less than the same treatment he inflicted upon the animals he once tended.

Also,

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Denbrought said:

Shegokigo said:

Charlie Dont Surf said:

It's a gimmick because you are not actually torturing people to death or stalking forumites or killing anyone. But you pretend to because it's cool?

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I've had the police visit my home once because of the forums (Halfpixel) I'm not dumb enough to admit anything seriously in a public venue again.

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Oh lol, I didn't get to hear that one. Care to share the story again?

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Dude, NO!

Math242 said:

oh yeah the time when you created an alt and came to halfpixel to "brag" and ask what you should do after implying you had murdered someone or at least done something that would get you life in jail.

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I didn't brag, I asked a hypothetical question. Try and get your facts straight before you try and attempt to sound condesending.

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No, no, no you certainly don't crave attention at all !

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If I wanted "attention" as you so claim, I would have posted the thread on my main account. :slywink:

Hahahahaha, holy shit, I just got the whole story on that situation, that's too fucking funny.

Shego that was you? Awesome. :clap:

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Hahahahaha, holy shit, I just got the whole story on that situation, that's too fucking funny.

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I thought so too, especially the forum shutting down within days after.

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Shego that was you? Awesome. :clap:

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Thanks to that incident I've had to dial back alot of what I post and keep alot more to myself than I used to share back on Halfpixel. rly:

Shegokigo said:

Thanks to that incident I've had to dial back alot of what I post and keep alot more to myself than I used to share back on Halfpixel. rly:

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And there was much rejoicing!

Shegokigo said:

Thanks to that incident I've had to dial back alot of what I post and keep alot more to myself than I used to share back on Halfpixel. rly:

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yeah, I can imagine. You wouldn't want people to think you were some kind of sociopath!!!

Indeed, people like Charlie and Kissinger can go about being themselves, playing their little games, JCM and Chaz can pound chests and howl. Shego? Shego has to bite her lip 4 out of 5 posts.

Much rejoicing indeed.

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yeah, I can imagine. You wouldn't want people to think you were some kind of sociopath!!!

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I relate more to sociopathy than insanity by a long shot. None the less, the games people play and assumptions they make on me bother me as a gnat to jet liner. The only thing that makes me curious is why they feel the need to lump me in certain circles? As if they ahd the slightlest clue of what I've done/can/cannot do.

I of course could never admit to having done anything to back up my claims or certain people would be right back on the phone with my local P.D. and I doubt I could explain that situation twice.

Cajun: No idea why you removed it, but I just want to ask. "Why does it have to be schtick?" Why can't I just post "myself" like everyonelse seems to have the luxury to do without having to "defend myself". It doesn't bother me in the least, I'm just wildly curious.

I voted let him play. But the problem with my vote is, he participated in organized crime. i.e. a gambling ring. The NFL should not trust him not to be on the payroll of some sleazier mobster.

I could care less that he killed his own dogs. It is the gambling edge that can or should keep him out of the league.

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Cajun: No idea why you removed it, but I just want to ask. "Why does it have to be schtick?" Why can't I just post "myself" like everyonelse seems to have the luxury to do without having to "defend myself". It doesn't bother me in the least, I'm just wildly curious.

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I felt I overreacted, so I just decided to save that rant for another day.

I prefaced that part with "I'm not suggesting anything about you" and after shtick I said --or whatever you perceive the actions to be-- or something like that. I wasn't saying what I believe about your actions or anyone else's. I completely agree with you. Post what you want to post. I was just expressing that i get sick of people "calling you out" and making fun of you for your "act" when all any of us have to go on when it comes to knowing each other is what we say and maybe the pictures we post. I think it's as pointless as when people tell Chaz he's not that tough, and other things like that. This environment is different from knowing you people in person. I don't accept everything everyone says, but since I have nothing to support my beliefs one way or the other, I think it's best to just enjoy the ride and ignore those you don't like.

The poll is flawed; we don't want him in the CFL either.

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I voted let him play. But the problem with my vote is, he participated in organized crime. i.e. a gambling ring. The NFL should not trust him not to be on the payroll of some sleazier mobster.

I could care less that he killed his own dogs. It is the gambling edge that can or should keep him out of the league.

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Yet the gambling ring has nothing to do with the sport of football. To me, the NFL should STFU about gambling unless they themselves stop promoting and participating in fantasy football. This is also gambling and is directly related to the performances of the players in the games.

I want to know how Vick's 'posse'/'hanger oners' brought up the dog fighting plan to him.

Hey Mike, you know how you are making Millions in the NFL... I want to show you how to make Thousands in the world of organized crime...

I think kind of the same way about celebrities who shoplift.

"Hmmmm, a hundred-dollar dress... I could afford this and preserve my reputation and clean record... or I could SWIPE it!" :bush:

I'm sure Vick was watching dogfighting before he was in the NFL. Also, him sponsoring it wasn't for the money. He was a fan of watching and being involved with it.

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Yet the gambling ring has nothing to do with the sport of football. To me, the NFL should STFU about gambling unless they themselves stop promoting and participating in fantasy football. This is also gambling and is directly related to the performances of the players in the games.

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I have no source or anything, but I'd be willing to bet (heh) that there's more harmless online fantasy football on Yahoo/ESPN.com than there is $100 buy in keeper leagues by the hardcore players.

ZenMonkey said:

No, I am not extrapolating this situation to generalizations.

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Congratulations, NFL, for not just tolerating but embracing your reputation as a place where the scum of humanity are welcome to come earn millions of dollars.

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I'm late on this one..... I'm kind on the fence on this.

Here is the problem.

People commit crimes. It could be low level crime (shoplifting) to high level (mass murder, ponzi scheme etc etc) the level of punishment should fit the crime right?
BUT then we have a 2nd problem.

Once you commit a crime, get caught, serve time, and then release. you have a record. This record is NOT going away (unless you are under 18 and turn 18 then there are some exceptions) it is REALLY hard to get a job after that. How can a person who may or may not be rehabilitated ever go back into society?

I can totally understand where people might not want that kind of element in their workplace cause SOME cases, these criminal lapse back into their old way and we can't have that in our workplace BUT some never turn back to crime and continue on (when given the chance).

Regardless of the crime, should ex-con be readmit to society? if answer is yes, then we have to decide WHICH crime are allow, and which crime are not BUT if we don't allow them back into society, what are we going to do with them? if you just release them back into the world and the world don't accepts them, then that element just go back to criminal ways so they can get back to jail and enjoy roof over their head and meals.

Now, this person's crime was dog fighting. In some society this is a sick sport. Dogs are starved, drugged, trained to kill other dogs. It is pure manipulation of animal for people's entertainment. What about horse racing? how is that allow? my wife knows quite a bit of horses and train some. She tells me that horse races, these horses are push to the limit and then some are just let to die when they can't run anymore. They are drugged (against the law) to boost performance. Same with Dog racing. Sure other animals doesn't get killed by their kind, but still as bad (in my book). Cock Fighting are allow in some country. Some country allows to eat dogs.

I guess for those people who don't think Vick should NOT return to NFL. What should he do now? does he have other skills? or is he one of those "typical football player" who are given a free pass cause he is good at football and has no skill? (kinda old stereotypical stigma, but I know that is not true for all sports player) What is this person allow to do after serving his time? should he be put back into prison and let OUR tax dollar let this man ride free?

Or there should be a higher punishment for certain crime? some might say death is extreme and many states doesn't really "execute" as many people per year. I recently saw on cable (forgot which channel) on how many people are still on death row after 10+ years.

I'd rather not see him play. I don't want to see this sicko get million dollar paychecks.

^That was what made me hesitate. He doesn't just get his job back. If someone lets him in, he gets fame and fortune again... well, many infamy before fame again.

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He'd probably go in at league minimum and very well could be a wide reciever or linebacker.

At least that's what's been discussed.

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He'd probably go in at league minimum and very well could be a wide reciever or linebacker.

At least that's what's been discussed.

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without the society stigma, the man did the crime, convicted, and did his jail time. He is now trying to rejoin society. I personally hope he plays again and have to pretty much work his way back up and prove to the rest of America he is truly sorry which is gonna be hard depending on which group of people you are talking to

Chibibar said:

Edrondol said:

He'd probably go in at league minimum and very well could be a wide reciever or linebacker.

At least that's what's been discussed.

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without the society stigma, the man did the crime, convicted, and did his jail time. He is now trying to rejoin society. I personally hope he plays again and have to pretty much work his way back up and prove to the rest of America he is truly sorry which is gonna be hard depending on which group of people you are talking to

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Well to some people (including formunites) he can only repay society if he gets brutally tortured for the rest of his life.

A few years in if he does well I doubt many people will still care, if he repeats anything though than well ya, but if he does successful i doubt people are going to care as much, time heals all wounds so to speak.

crono1224 said:

Well to some people (including formunites) he can only repay society if he gets brutally tortured for the rest of his life.

A few years in if he does well I doubt many people will still care, if he repeats anything though than well ya, but if he does successful i doubt people are going to care as much, time heals all wounds so to speak.

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heh.... unless a team get him and he does very well and win a superbowl or something (like MVP) people will soon forget

Michael Vick has signed a 2-year deal with the Philadelphia Eagles.

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Charlie Dont Surf said:

Michael Vick has signed a 2-year deal with the Philadelphia Eagles.

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fuck

When it comes to any other skills he may have, one of the local gracery stores here hires the mentally challenged to push carts and bag groceries.

So glad I'm not an Iggles fan tonight.

So that kills watching any news of any kind tomorrow morning over coffee. Regular news will be all health care all the time. Sports news all Vick all the time. Meh. Might as well watch a Venture Bros. rerun on the DVR instead. :eyeroll:

I am SHOCKED that Philadelphia of all places would sign him, SHOCKED.

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I am SHOCKED that Philadelphia of all places would sign him, SHOCKED.

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Ah sarcasm.

How is ol' T.O. doing in Buffalo? Anyone? Anyone?

YES!!!!

As a certified Giants fan I can't wait to tell this news to my Ex-roommate, an Eagles fan.
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gracery stores .... mentally challenged

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tell me more.

I'm just so very, very glad this wasn't the Cowboys.

And I hope things work out for him. He's done his time.

Over/Under: 10, number of passes Vick attempts in the regular season when the Eagles aren't A) up by 21 or B) have their playoff seed locked up.

He might not be a QB. H'll probably be used as either a wing back or DB.

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It's a gimmick because you are not actually torturing people to death or stalking forumites or killing anyone. But you pretend to because it's cool?

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Cat said:

Come on, you know calling her out just gives her more of the attention she craves.

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Math242 said:

oh yeah the time when you created an alt and came to halfpixel to "brag" and ask what you should do after implying you had murdered someone or at least done something that would get you life in jail.

I suppose that was the reason you got a visit from the police since Kris permabanned you and called the cops.

No, no, no you certainly don't crave attention at all !

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yes because you actually inflict pain on people and hurt human beings all the time, this is something you actually do. you are a monster that stalks and harms and kills people. you have a long history of doing this to living people and everyone is terrified of you because of this fact.

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Kissinger said:

but seriously your gimmick is really stupid

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Christ, thank you. I have been saying that all along.

They did sign him pretty soon after their #2 QB got injured, though.

shannow noooo we're talking about football now :tongue:

Sorry, I was just now getting through the thread and all those gems were there. Half the time here, its seems like this to me with the way folks keep feeding her schtick:



As for Vick..I have no problem he is back. He served his time according to law, and should be allowed to work. Simple as that. That the eagles signed him was a bit surprising. Then again, you cant go throguh a season without McNabb getting hurt, so he will be good in that role.

I was thinking he would go somewhere else, where he would be a threat to put in as a changeup against a blitzing defense. Having him back there to toss in if necessary and run a wildcat out of nowhere would be a hell of a way to keep defenses on their toes.

Football? In a Michael Vick thread? NO WAI!!

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I was thinking he would go somewhere else, where he would be a threat to put in as a changeup against a blitzing defense. Having him back there to toss in if necessary and run a wildcat out of nowhere would be a * of a way to keep defenses on their toes.

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Running a wildcat with QBs like McNair and Vick would be a sight to see.

And of course having a skilled, proven and young quarterback means that Philly in a few years will be able to get a great trade for him once the stink goes away.

News from the Eagles game last night was fan reaction was *not* positive on hearing the news.

Philly is considered by some as a poor fit because it's such a fishbowl, and Iggles fans are so passionate about the team. So what does that mean here? Will the glare of the spotlight tear him to pieces, or will it be "survive here, and he can survive anywhere"?

Also, Week 13 @Atlanta. That's gonna be ugly.

The first Eagle's home game will be ugly, too. PETA will be there in force.

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The first Eagle's home game will be ugly, too. PETA will be there in force.

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When Mike and Mike checked in with Sal Palontonio an hour before the press conference, he reported *no* protesters. That was about 45 minutes ago, so the situation may have changed.

DarkAudit said:

Edrondol said:

The first Eagle's home game will be ugly, too. PETA will be there in force.

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When Mike and Mike checked in with Sal Palontonio an hour before the press conference, he reported *no* protesters. That was about 45 minutes ago, so the situation may have changed.

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This is different than the first game. When Vick makes the roster cuts and has a spot, you can bet the protesters will be there.

Oh no's!!! The whackjobs from peta will be out! I know most people take them so seriously!

Football fans will see the protesters and that will be the reason they don't show up and go to the games. No, they'll go in driving snow and sub-zero temperatures, but they won't cross the picket line after tailgating for 6 hours because PETA's there,

Other fans will take their place because they want to see Vick blow out both knees, both elbows, and his neck.

*sigh* I'm not talking about the fans and I'm not talking about how much PETA matters. But they will be there and it'll be the only thing in sporting news because of it. We will be inundated with Vick & protester news and coverage.

Outside the context of one JibJab video, I have no idea who Michael Vick is - and I don't intend to remedy the situation, thank you very much. After two weeks of "Manny Ramirez has boobs" jokes in Tonight Show with Conan O'Brien, I am certain that the less I know about American sports, the better.

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*sigh* I'm not talking about the fans and I'm not talking about how much PETA matters. But they will be there and it'll be the only thing in sporting news because of it. We will be inundated with Vick & protester news and coverage.

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better than listening to how [strike:n2ucv6x2]God's Gift to Football[/strike:n2ucv6x2]Tony Romo is underperforming.

Also this should once again allow the misunderestimated Giants to sneak into the postseason to everyones surprise.

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Edrondol said:

*sigh* I'm not talking about the fans and I'm not talking about how much PETA matters. But they will be there and it'll be the only thing in sporting news because of it. We will be inundated with Vick & protester news and coverage.

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better than listening to how [strike:5o8979wo]God's Gift to Football[/strike:5o8979wo]Tony Romo is underperforming.

Also this should once again allow the misunderestimated Giants to sneak into the postseason to everyones surprise.

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GO G-MEN!!!!!

Am I the only person that thinks Brandon Jacobs is gonna have a monster year?

For specific details on the dogfighting, this page appears to have a pretty good play by play of what was reported over time as the case developed:

http://www.pet-abuse.com/cases/11312/VA/US/

Reverse chronological order.

I'm sad to see that the NFL chooses to reinstate a player that was running an illegal gambling operation, nevermind participating in one (which is a severe violation of NFL rules). It appears they are not interested in integrity in following their own rules.

While I believe that if you have served your time you should be given the same chance that everyone else gets to integrate back into society (including job, etc), I believe there are circumstances and limitations that ought to be carefully considered. For instance, convicted drug dealers or child molesters should be restricted from living or working near schools and other areas/jobs that might tempt them to repeat their offense.

In this case there isn't anything about dog fighting in particular that should prevent him from playing in the NFL, but the gambling should prevent him from participating.

Would be nice if his sentence forced him to campaign against dog fighting and gambling for a decade after his conviction.

-Adam

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Am I the only person that thinks Brandon Jacobs is gonna have a monster year?

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Yup. Giants are going to be running more this year without the option to throw it to Burees there anymore.

If I had any artistic talent at all, I'd have drawn a picture of Michael Vick beating an Eagle to death with a lead pipe the moment I heard the news and started spreading it all over the net....

he didn't kill falcons when he played with them.......

And really, an uninspired pice of "art" like that would essentially be meaningless. And also...why? What point? people will care or not at this point, so who gives a shit enoguh that you would have drawn an image?

I just wonder how soon Vick is going to be sent to work out as a wide-receiver.

Doubtful on that. The eagles need a good backup right now, and he will fit the role perfectly for them. he will be there as a QB.

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And really, an uninspired pice of "art" like that would essentially be meaningless. And also...why? What point? people will care or not at this point, so who gives a shit enoguh that you would have drawn an image?

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Duh?

I guess? And people all over the net will care enough for your little image

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I guess? And people all over the net will care enough for your little image

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Some, perhaps more than others.

why not just post about how you're gonna wait outside his home and sneak in and electrocute him to death because it excites you

Well, I do not know if you have heard yet, Charles, but she is apparently a big deal on the interwebz. people care...a lot.

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why not just post about how you're gonna wait outside his home and sneak in and electrocute him to death because it excites you

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Oh well that's easy, I don't have anything against him. He doesn't bother me in the least.

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Well, I do not know if you have heard yet, Charles, but she is apparently a big deal on the interwebz. people care...a lot.

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Big enough that you follow my every post and reply to nearly every one, even when you have nothing to add to the subject. :slywink:

The subject of you trying to pass off a persona of being some kind of crazy psycho folks should be aware and afraidof, when in effect you are, by your own admission, a person who simply its at home when not at work and plays warcraft and other video games?

Sure, why not.


A big deal.

-- Fri Aug 14, 2009 1:45 pm --

Also, for no real reason:

To summarize my thoughts on all the lovely topics discussed in here: http://forum.halforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6654

Hahahahahahahahahaha, nice one, Espy.

It was convenient.

Dubyamn said:

Shannow said:

I was thinking he would go somewhere else, where he would be a threat to put in as a changeup against a blitzing defense. Having him back there to toss in if necessary and run a wildcat out of nowhere would be a * of a way to keep defenses on their toes.

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Running a wildcat with QBs like McNair and Vick would be a sight to see.

And of course having a skilled, proven and young quarterback means that Philly in a few years will be able to get a great trade for him once the stink goes away.

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I...really suspect McNair won't be a very effective QB at this point...


...and as far as future value, Vick will be well into his 30s in a few years time, a practically geriatric age for an NFL player who by far depends on freakish athletic ability to have any sort of success.

Chazwozel said:

How is ol' T.O. doing in Buffalo? Anyone? Anyone?

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He injured his toe, so he probably is gonna miss the Bears preseason game, but he'll be good to go for the regular season.

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I...really suspect McNair won't be a very effective QB at this point...

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Son of a bitch. Definatley not the first time I've made that mistake.

Though I might actually have to learn to distinguish between them now that it has now taken on a hilarious and tragic turn.