I took the day off tomorrow, and we're heading up to see the memorial. I'm really worried about blubbering like a baby in public.Just watched the ceremony at NY. Man, I can hardly stop crying.
I'm much more broken up about the Western world's response to 9/11 than the actual attacks. I'll put my flag at half staff for the 10 year anniversary of the Patriot Act passing, though.
shut the fuck upI'm much more broken up about the Western world's response to 9/11 than the actual attacks. I'll put my flag at half staff for the 10 year anniversary of the Patriot Act passing, though.
Not today, today is only for this one most important event in 'merican history.297 years ago today...
These heroes refused to be defeated and fought until the streets ran red with their blood, they will never be forgotten.
I know I'm going to regret this...... Charlie what would have been a "proper" response to the attacks on 9/11? How exactly do you diplomatically solve the issue with people who think you're evil incarnate and must be destroyed even by giving their own lives?I'm much more broken up about the Western world's response to 9/11 than the actual attacks. I'll put my flag at half staff for the 10 year anniversary of the Patriot Act passing, though.
Basically the exact opposite of everything that happened. Don't restrict rights here in the states in the name of security. Just, as a people, don't be extremely racist towards Muslims based on the attacks. Don't throw billions of dollars into the hole that is Iraq. Stop wasting money/time in Afghanistan once it's obvious OBL is in Pakistan. And stop feeding into the culture of fear that led to W's re-election.I know I'm going to regret this...... Charlie what would have been a "proper" response to the attacks on 9/11? How exactly do you diplomatically solve the issue with people who think you're evil incarnate and must be destroyed even by giving their own lives?
All of our defense stuff in the airports that strips away rights has been reactionary, not proactive at all. The Patriot Act is barely used for Terrorism, just mostly on the war on drugs and fraud cases. There really hasn't been a huge conclusive link to Iraq being a breeding ground for Al Queda, despite what the opening 5 minutes of "The Marine" portrays. If anything, the war in Iraq has probably done more to grow terrorists into larger groups than stop it.How would any of that have stopped the terrorists from continuing to attack us openly and as largely as they did that day as well as growing into larger and larger groups? Just curious.
See, I don't believe that. If anything, today is more appropriate to talk about these things, to make people stop focusing and fetishizing 9/11 and worry about the big picture and see how it's changed us for the worse.Today is about remembering a disaster and how it affected people. the people involved and the people who just had to stand by powerless and watch. Not how outside forces responded to the disaster. Focus.
You dodged it again. I'll put it in elementary:I'm not dodging the question - I'm saying we shouldn't have invaded Iraq, put in the inane and ineffective airport travel "security", shouldn't have passed the Patriot Act, shouldn't have re-elected Bush. That's what we should have done. Not do those things. I don't believe any of that made the country safer.
I explained earlier why I think this is an appropriate time/place.Jesus, Charlie, there is a time and a place, man.
Dude, you're really acting no better than a West Buro Baptist member protesting a soldier's funeral. Have some respect for the departed.I'm not dodging the question - I'm saying we shouldn't have invaded Iraq, put in the inane and ineffective airport travel "security", shouldn't have passed the Patriot Act, shouldn't have re-elected Bush. That's what we should have done. Not do those things. I don't believe any of that made the country safer.
Weird. We were in Reno at the same time, then. I saw the attacks on the news and woke my roommate up and we watched the second tower get hit. I had to go and teach a class on Statistics at UNR. I said a thing or two about persevering, I think, before starting. It was hard to figure out how to continue on as normal, but we tried. Also, I asked my advisor, a memory researcher, if we should try and gather some data on flashbulb memories. He said he couldn't see how anyone could under the circumstances.It was going to be my first day working at the Atlantis Hotel-Casino in Reno.
I don't understand the correlation.CW Network:
Someone has had a stroke of brilliance, showing The Green Mile today. I think that's an outstanding move.
My initial reaction was similar, Seej, for what it's worth. This was in 10th grade science class, and this was before terrorism had definitively been linked to it. My teacher said something like "Someone crashed a plane into the World Trade Centre" and I remember thinking or even possibly saying aloud "Who gave that guy a pilot's license?"I'm actually really ashamed about how I reacted at first. I remember hearing about it at school and thinking it was a hoax or something. My friend made a joke about it, and I joined in. Then we saw the footage on the TVs at school. We cried in English class. I felt horrible. We spent most classes talking about it, listening to the radio, or watching the news. The whole day was a blur. I don't remember talking to my parents about it. A couple of the priests who served mass at school regularly came to the chapel that week to talk to any students who wanted to. A family friend had a brother up there who stopped for coffee on his way to work and missed the attack completely. The thing I remember most about that whole period of shock and hurt afterwards was constantly looking up pictures and videos of the people who threw themselves out of windows. I don't know why I watched that over and over. I would just look and think about what I would have done and what they must have been thinking.
Nothing even remotely to be ashamed about, Seej. It sounded completely insane; no shame in thinking that it couldn't be real.I'm actually really ashamed about how I reacted at first.
Similar situation here too. Honestly I didn't even really know what the WTC was at the time, so until I saw the news footage when I got home from school, it was hard to grasp what had really happened. I remember I was in grade 10 Canadian History class, our teacher told us what happened, and I remember at lunch there was a big prayer circle outside around the totem pole at school and the flag was already at half mast, but classes continued as normal, for me and most of us the day continued as normal, and it wasn't until I got home that I saw the news footage, realized the seriousness of it.My initial reaction was similar, Seej, for what it's worth. This was in 10th grade science class, and this was before terrorism had definitively been linked to it. My teacher said something like "Someone crashed a plane into the World Trade Centre" and I remember thinking or even possibly saying aloud "Who gave that guy a pilot's license?"
Even a few minutes later I felt like a heartless moron. But then, I was in 10th grade, so I probably was.
Ah yes, the Battle of Lake Champlain. Where we drove the Brits back up to Canada before the Treaty of Ghent was signed.297 years ago today...
These heroes refused to be defeated and fought until the streets ran red with their blood, they will never be forgotten.
ಠ_ಠAh yes, the Battle of Lake Champlain. Where we drove the Brits back up to Canada before the Treaty of Ghent was signed.
No, I think this is the Siege of Barcelona. Your date is off by 100 years.Ah yes, the Battle of Lake Champlain. Where we drove the Brits back up to Canada before the Treaty of Ghent was signed.
I thought it was the last Stanley Cup finals...No, I think this is the Siege of Barcelona. Your date is off by 100 years.