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NY: Presumed consent on your organs?
#1
Chibibar
Chibibar
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/04/27/ap/national/main6437770.shtml
Hmmm.. I am kinda mix on this. I am a donor on my driver license and have extensive talk with my wife regarding allowing science and hospital to take out what they need and burn the rest (still working on her agreeing to scatter my ashes but no dice on that)
I know that some religion prohibits autopsy (so I've heard) and desecration of the dead (again from what I read but can't remember specifics). There are science out there that are working on growing your own organ and even using animal organ (cow incubators and such)
I think the article hits it in the nail when people ARE living longer and not dying off fast enough for their organ to be donated.
Hmmm.. I am kinda mix on this. I am a donor on my driver license and have extensive talk with my wife regarding allowing science and hospital to take out what they need and burn the rest (still working on her agreeing to scatter my ashes but no dice on that)
I know that some religion prohibits autopsy (so I've heard) and desecration of the dead (again from what I read but can't remember specifics). There are science out there that are working on growing your own organ and even using animal organ (cow incubators and such)
I think the article hits it in the nail when people ARE living longer and not dying off fast enough for their organ to be donated.
#2
ThatGrinningIdiot!
ThatGrinningIdiot!
I am under no obligation to either donate my blood nor my organs, to anyone, at anytime, ever. The only people I'll consider donating to are my family members and close friends. If there is an organisation that wants anything from my body, they will have to pay a great deal of money.
#3
Kitty Sinatra
I think this bill is a good idea, and I'd be happy to go even that one step further that makes it an obligation. I get the religious concerns, so I suppose I'd accept that as a decent cause to avoid meeting such an obligation - though it would not be your family's religion that would matter, only yours, which means that you'd have to fill out the paperwork while you're still alive.
I'd consider it just another obligation as a citizen. You don't need 'em, after all.
Kitty Sinatra
You may very well be under said obligation in the future.I am under no obligation to either donate my blood nor my organs,
I think this bill is a good idea, and I'd be happy to go even that one step further that makes it an obligation. I get the religious concerns, so I suppose I'd accept that as a decent cause to avoid meeting such an obligation - though it would not be your family's religion that would matter, only yours, which means that you'd have to fill out the paperwork while you're still alive.
I'd consider it just another obligation as a citizen. You don't need 'em, after all.
I assume you'll refuse all blood that doesn't come from a family member, or that you pay a great deal of money for.. If there is an organisation that wants anything from my body, they will have to pay a great deal of money.
#4
D
Dubyamn
D
Dubyamn
I support the part of the bill that no longer allows the family to overrule the decisions of the person. That is complete Bullshit.
I don't like the part of the bill that requires the patient to sign a refusal to donate because it sounds like they have to make it on their deathbed which in many cases the patient isn't able to do.
Overall I like the bill. It's a step forward to the day when getting off the organ waiting list without dieing isn't as unlikely as winning the lottery.
I don't like the part of the bill that requires the patient to sign a refusal to donate because it sounds like they have to make it on their deathbed which in many cases the patient isn't able to do.
Overall I like the bill. It's a step forward to the day when getting off the organ waiting list without dieing isn't as unlikely as winning the lottery.
#5
ElJuski
ElJuski
Heh, I read the OP as "Assumed consent on orgasms" And I was all like, "The assumption is I'll say I can give her one...and then just have one for myself"
#6
Kitty Sinatra
Kitty Sinatra
I doubt that would be the way it works. I was assuming that this would just reverse the paperwork as it currently exists - so whenever you'd currently agree to be a donor is when this bill would let you refuse to be one. That would be when renewing your license, or similar times, right? (I don't actually know how it works at present)I don't like the part of the bill that requires the patient to sign a refusal to donate because it sounds like they have to make it on their deathbed which in many cases the patient isn't able to do.
#7
Dei
Dei
Well since NYC is pretty big compared to the rest of the state it may not have a huge impact, but considering the Buffalo area is extremely Catholic, this might not go over well.
#8
Shannow
Shannow
From NY, living in NY, and I see no problem with this. When I am gone, I am gone, and why would I give a shit who does what with my body. Let em have it for harvest, for all I care.
#9
SpecialKO
You can register to be put in list at any time, including when your renew. This legally empowers the NY Department of Health to use your organs at the time of your death, and you can put in additional health information to make it easier for them to identify ideal opportunities to use your organs when you die.
You can also just fill out the mini-form on the back of the ID to indicate your willingness to donate, but there is no legal obligation on your family to allow it, and the DMV doesn't keep track of it.
SpecialKO
I doubt that would be the way it works. I was assuming that this would just reverse the paperwork as it currently exists - so whenever you'd currently agree to be a donor is when this bill would let you refuse to be one. That would be when renewing your license, or similar times, right? (I don't actually know how it works at present)[/QUOTE]I don't like the part of the bill that requires the patient to sign a refusal to donate because it sounds like they have to make it on their deathbed which in many cases the patient isn't able to do.
You can register to be put in list at any time, including when your renew. This legally empowers the NY Department of Health to use your organs at the time of your death, and you can put in additional health information to make it easier for them to identify ideal opportunities to use your organs when you die.
You can also just fill out the mini-form on the back of the ID to indicate your willingness to donate, but there is no legal obligation on your family to allow it, and the DMV doesn't keep track of it.
#10
Ross
You're dead. Your physical body no longer has a use. Aside from getting mummified or adding more ash to the urn, what's the problem if a couple of organs are used to better someone else's life (besides the possible conflict with religious beliefs)?
Ross
^ This, but replace "living" with "lived"From NY, living in NY, and I see no problem with this. When I am gone, I am gone, and why would I give a shit who does what with my body. Let em have it for harvest, for all I care.
You're dead. Your physical body no longer has a use. Aside from getting mummified or adding more ash to the urn, what's the problem if a couple of organs are used to better someone else's life (besides the possible conflict with religious beliefs)?
#11
Bowielee
Bowielee
#12
Shannow
Shannow
Frasnkly, too much space is wasted on the dead as it is. We need to get rid of the archaic notions that we use now.
#13
Chibibar
Chibibar
I think so too. That is why I told my wife I want to be cremated and spread my ashes. Why waste good space?Frasnkly, too much space is wasted on the dead as it is. We need to get rid of the archaic notions that we use now.
#14
ThatGrinningIdiot!
ThatGrinningIdiot!
It'll be in my will to have my remains cremated, instead of a funeral.Frasnkly, too much space is wasted on the dead as it is. We need to get rid of the archaic notions that we use now.
#15
Adammon
Adammon
When I die, I'm going to have my wife cremated with me...
#16
Chibibar
Chibibar
make sure she is dead too. Getting burn alive is not fun.When I die, I'm going to have my wife cremated with me...
#17
ThatGrinningIdiot!
Bah, it happens so quickly, she won't even feel pain.
I'm taking my worldly possessions with me, and even my pets. My urn will sit in a dank underground tomb, when I'm discovered I hope the archeologists will mistake me for a king.
ThatGrinningIdiot!
make sure she is dead too. Getting burn alive is not fun.[/QUOTE]When I die, I'm going to have my wife cremated with me...
Bah, it happens so quickly, she won't even feel pain.
I'm taking my worldly possessions with me, and even my pets. My urn will sit in a dank underground tomb, when I'm discovered I hope the archeologists will mistake me for a king.
#18
Hailey Knight
Hailey Knight
I wonder if it ever happens that EMT people find a person who's a donor according to the info in their wallet, know three or four people in the hospital could live if this person dies, and let it happen.
#19
Chibibar
Chibibar
That is a whole different ball of wax. Scary thought tho.I wonder if it ever happens that EMT people find a person who's a donor according to the info in their wallet, know three or four people in the hospital could live if this person dies, and let it happen.
#20
Bowielee
Bowielee
Anyone that would care enough about the sanctity of life to try to save 3 or 4 lives would never just let another one die to save them.
Being related to the dying people may be an exception.
Being related to the dying people may be an exception.
#21
Chibibar
Chibibar
True, but then what about there is like 10% chance of me dying but my organs have like 90% chance of saving 3 lives. Of course it was me, I would say let me die, but then again EMT might not ask in case I might say no and let me die anyways to save the 3.... the whole greater good thing.Anyone that would care enough about the sanctity of life to try to save 3 or 4 lives would never just let another one die to save them.
Being related to the dying people may be an exception.
#22
Troll
Do you even know an EMT? What you're saying is ridiculous.
Troll
True, but then what about there is like 10% chance of me dying but my organs have like 90% chance of saving 3 lives. Of course it was me, I would say let me die, but then again EMT might not ask in case I might say no and let me die anyways to save the 3.... the whole greater good thing.[/QUOTE]Anyone that would care enough about the sanctity of life to try to save 3 or 4 lives would never just let another one die to save them.
Being related to the dying people may be an exception.
Do you even know an EMT? What you're saying is ridiculous.
#23
Chibibar
Do you even know an EMT? What you're saying is ridiculous.[/QUOTE]
Yea I know an EMT (They are our medic for our convention they volunteer their time and I know they wouldn't do it) . I know what I'm saying is ridiculous, BUT at the same time, while there is a whole slew of people out there, human do make errors.
It is like Police officer that protect and serve the public, but there are small chance of a bad/rogue cop.
There are doctors who taken the oath and yet willing to work underground and do illegal operations.
No matter the profession out there or how noble, there is a small chance a couple of their numbers turn the "dark side" if you will.
Chibibar
True, but then what about there is like 10% chance of me dying but my organs have like 90% chance of saving 3 lives. Of course it was me, I would say let me die, but then again EMT might not ask in case I might say no and let me die anyways to save the 3.... the whole greater good thing.[/QUOTE]Anyone that would care enough about the sanctity of life to try to save 3 or 4 lives would never just let another one die to save them.
Being related to the dying people may be an exception.
Do you even know an EMT? What you're saying is ridiculous.[/QUOTE]
Yea I know an EMT (They are our medic for our convention they volunteer their time and I know they wouldn't do it) . I know what I'm saying is ridiculous, BUT at the same time, while there is a whole slew of people out there, human do make errors.
It is like Police officer that protect and serve the public, but there are small chance of a bad/rogue cop.
There are doctors who taken the oath and yet willing to work underground and do illegal operations.
No matter the profession out there or how noble, there is a small chance a couple of their numbers turn the "dark side" if you will.
#24
crono1224
crono1224
What you are suggesting isn't human error, its deliberately violating someones wishes. Or at minimum deliberately being ignorant of their wishes, its not an error but a choice.*snip*
Yea I know an EMT (They are our medic for our convention they volunteer their time and I know they wouldn't do it) . I know what I'm saying is ridiculous, BUT at the same time, while there is a whole slew of people out there, human do make errors.
It is like Police officer that protect and serve the public, but there are small chance of a bad/rogue cop.
There are doctors who taken the oath and yet willing to work underground and do illegal operations.
No matter the profession out there or how noble, there is a small chance a couple of their numbers turn the "dark side" if you will.
#25
Chibibar
Well errors might be a choice of words. To me error = not doing the right thing so forgive my poor choice of words.
Bowilee pointed out a good point. What if your love one, the person who you care the most and love the most is dying and need an organ YOU have. Normally a person will not go out and kill you, but if you happen to be on the chopping block, who knows.
I know Troll said that is a ridiculous situation, but in reality, people make choices everyday. Some might be right, some might be wrong, and some might just be pure evil/good. It is a choice. There will be people will sacrifice their love one to uphold the oath they swore to and some MIGHT "forget" a moment to save the one they love.
We are not saints or angels or "perfect beings" we strive to be, but sometimes when put in a hard choice, we might make decisions that goes against the nature/rule given to us for their personal gain.
The doctors who does blackmarket organs and operation swore the same oath at one time, but for one reason or another they fall to the dark side doing dark deeds to survive. Why can't EMT do the same thing? Are they the purest noble profession that can't be corrupted at all? If it is true, then I praise them and I retract my defamation, but knowing that human are NOT perfect, there is a chance that one might go to the dark side.
Chibibar
What you are suggesting isn't human error, its deliberately violating someones wishes. Or at minimum deliberately being ignorant of their wishes, its not an error but a choice.[/QUOTE]*snip*
Yea I know an EMT (They are our medic for our convention they volunteer their time and I know they wouldn't do it) . I know what I'm saying is ridiculous, BUT at the same time, while there is a whole slew of people out there, human do make errors.
It is like Police officer that protect and serve the public, but there are small chance of a bad/rogue cop.
There are doctors who taken the oath and yet willing to work underground and do illegal operations.
No matter the profession out there or how noble, there is a small chance a couple of their numbers turn the "dark side" if you will.
Well errors might be a choice of words. To me error = not doing the right thing so forgive my poor choice of words.
Bowilee pointed out a good point. What if your love one, the person who you care the most and love the most is dying and need an organ YOU have. Normally a person will not go out and kill you, but if you happen to be on the chopping block, who knows.
I know Troll said that is a ridiculous situation, but in reality, people make choices everyday. Some might be right, some might be wrong, and some might just be pure evil/good. It is a choice. There will be people will sacrifice their love one to uphold the oath they swore to and some MIGHT "forget" a moment to save the one they love.
We are not saints or angels or "perfect beings" we strive to be, but sometimes when put in a hard choice, we might make decisions that goes against the nature/rule given to us for their personal gain.
The doctors who does blackmarket organs and operation swore the same oath at one time, but for one reason or another they fall to the dark side doing dark deeds to survive. Why can't EMT do the same thing? Are they the purest noble profession that can't be corrupted at all? If it is true, then I praise them and I retract my defamation, but knowing that human are NOT perfect, there is a chance that one might go to the dark side.
#26
Bowielee
Bowielee
I see your point about corrupt doctors and such, but quite frankly, EMTs are so overworked and underpayed, you don't go into that job unless you care a whole hell of a lot about saving lives and part of saving lives is not allowing anyone to die that it's within your power to save.
Besides, an EMT would be saving a life on site, then transporting to the hospital, they wouldn't even be in this position in the first place.
Besides, an EMT would be saving a life on site, then transporting to the hospital, they wouldn't even be in this position in the first place.