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So, for Martin Luthor King day.. how is this legal?
#1
Rubicon
Rubicon
I never really understood the holiday, its a Federal holiday and most government stuff is closed today, as are a lot of schools. But not many employers close their businesses for today. In 2009 like only 33% of businesses gave employees off.
Then I got to wondering, how is that legal?
i.e. in my city, the entire school system is closed today, every last school in the district. From elementary all the way to high school. yet most businesses are open, including mine (thanks Vonage, love you too..) so what happens, if you have children? At my job, applying for a single day off is a friggin sport event, you need like two levels of consent plus applying 3 months in advance (no shit).. So doing it before hand can be impossible. Imagine having children, who have the day off from school but you are forced to go to work?
I dunno, it just seems fucking stupid to me, its a damn holiday. And yea, I definitely plan to ask about it at work, considering how light my pay check was in December thanks to the shit hours we got, a day off for a Federal holiday is not hard thing to ask for.
Then I got to wondering, how is that legal?
i.e. in my city, the entire school system is closed today, every last school in the district. From elementary all the way to high school. yet most businesses are open, including mine (thanks Vonage, love you too..) so what happens, if you have children? At my job, applying for a single day off is a friggin sport event, you need like two levels of consent plus applying 3 months in advance (no shit).. So doing it before hand can be impossible. Imagine having children, who have the day off from school but you are forced to go to work?
I dunno, it just seems fucking stupid to me, its a damn holiday. And yea, I definitely plan to ask about it at work, considering how light my pay check was in December thanks to the shit hours we got, a day off for a Federal holiday is not hard thing to ask for.
#2
Dave
Dave
The problem you run into is that the federal government loves to have the day off and will take every opportunity to do so. Most businesses couldn't afford to work by the federal government's schedule. Fortunately, the federal government isn't hampered by anything even remotely resembling the need to act like a business with a bottom line so they can take off as much as they can.
So while I agree that it's weird, I see why businesses don't close. Same with Columbus Day and Veteran's Day.
So while I agree that it's weird, I see why businesses don't close. Same with Columbus Day and Veteran's Day.
#3
Chazwozel
Chazwozel
If your kids are at school, they're old enough to be able to stay home for the day. An 8 year old is not as helpless as you think.
Get a job that does give you off on MLK day? Wow, you bitch worse than a teenager working at a grocery store. BUT IT'S NOOOOTTT FAAAAIIIRRRRR!!!!!!
Get a job that does give you off on MLK day? Wow, you bitch worse than a teenager working at a grocery store. BUT IT'S NOOOOTTT FAAAAIIIRRRRR!!!!!!
#4
Rubicon
Rubicon
You'd really leave say, a 5 year old (someone just starting gradeschool) at home alone? Even 8 is a bit young to leave unattended all day long..If your kids are at school, they're old enough to be able to stay home for the day. An 8 year old is not as helpless as you think.
Get a job that does give you off on MLK day?
#5
Chazwozel
A 5 year old isn't going to school. Even if they are Kindergarten is only a half a day, so you'd have to have arrangements long before bitching about a day off on MLK day. By age 8 I was riding the subway to school in NYC. Furthermore, you could request a half day at work. Six year olds can get themselves cereal, turn on the TV/Xbox. I know it's amazing to hear, but children are actual factual thinking human beings!
Chazwozel
You'd really leave say, a 5 year old (someone just starting gradeschool) at home alone? Even 8 is a bit young to leave unattended all day long..[/QUOTE]If your kids are at school, they're old enough to be able to stay home for the day. An 8 year old is not as helpless as you think.
Get a job that does give you off on MLK day?
A 5 year old isn't going to school. Even if they are Kindergarten is only a half a day, so you'd have to have arrangements long before bitching about a day off on MLK day. By age 8 I was riding the subway to school in NYC. Furthermore, you could request a half day at work. Six year olds can get themselves cereal, turn on the TV/Xbox. I know it's amazing to hear, but children are actual factual thinking human beings!
#6
General Specific
General Specific
You want to really have your brain melt? I do tech support for the US Post Offices. We're outsourced, though, so despite the fact that ALL of the Post Offices are closed today, I still have to work a normal shift. There will be no call whatsoever today, but we have a full compliment here regardless. This is because though it is a Federal holiday, it is not a Company holiday. They can't just give us the day off, either, as that would be unfair to everyone who is not on our team, I guess.The problem you run into is that the federal government loves to have the day off and will take every opportunity to do so. Most businesses couldn't afford to work by the federal government's schedule. Fortunately, the federal government isn't hampered by anything even remotely resembling the need to act like a business with a bottom line so they can take off as much as they can.
So while I agree that it's weird, I see why businesses don't close. Same with Columbus Day and Veteran's Day.
#7
The Lovely Boehner
A 5 year old isn't going to school.[/QUOTE]
I was in Kindergarden when I was 4.
The Lovely Boehner
You'd really leave say, a 5 year old (someone just starting gradeschool) at home alone? Even 8 is a bit young to leave unattended all day long..[/QUOTE]If your kids are at school, they're old enough to be able to stay home for the day. An 8 year old is not as helpless as you think.
Get a job that does give you off on MLK day?
A 5 year old isn't going to school.[/QUOTE]
I was in Kindergarden when I was 4.
#8
Dave
Dave
12 years old is the accepted age where a child can stay home for an extended time alone. And even then if you do it for more than a few hours I would question your judgment.If your kids are at school, they're old enough to be able to stay home for the day. An 8 year old is not as helpless as you think.
Get a job that does give you off on MLK day? Wow, you bitch worse than a teenager working at a grocery store. BUT IT'S NOOOOTTT FAAAAIIIRRRRR!!!!!!
#9
Rubicon
A 5 year old isn't going to school. Even if they are Kindergarten is only a half a day, so you'd have to have arrangements long before bitching about a day of on MLK day. By age 8 I was riding the subway to school in NYC.[/QUOTE]
Annoying troll is annoying
Rubicon
You'd really leave say, a 5 year old (someone just starting gradeschool) at home alone? Even 8 is a bit young to leave unattended all day long..[/QUOTE]If your kids are at school, they're old enough to be able to stay home for the day. An 8 year old is not as helpless as you think.
Get a job that does give you off on MLK day?
A 5 year old isn't going to school. Even if they are Kindergarten is only a half a day, so you'd have to have arrangements long before bitching about a day of on MLK day. By age 8 I was riding the subway to school in NYC.[/QUOTE]
Annoying troll is annoying
#10
Dave
A 5 year old isn't going to school. Even if they are Kindergarten is only a half a day, so you'd have to have arrangements long before bitching about a day of on MLK day. By age 8 I was riding the subway to school in NYC.[/QUOTE]
Annoying troll is annoying[/QUOTE]
Not necessarily. It depends on the child, the circumstances, etc. At 5 I was pretty much staying home by myself but I lived in a small town with snoopy neighbors so it was no big deal.
I will say that it's a bit different today than it was when Chaz and I were youngins. But he's speaking from his own experiences so it can't be discounted completely.
But I'll bet Chaz wouldn't leave his 5 year old home alone or allow his 8 year old to ride the subway alone...
Dave
You'd really leave say, a 5 year old (someone just starting gradeschool) at home alone? Even 8 is a bit young to leave unattended all day long..[/QUOTE]If your kids are at school, they're old enough to be able to stay home for the day. An 8 year old is not as helpless as you think.
Get a job that does give you off on MLK day?
A 5 year old isn't going to school. Even if they are Kindergarten is only a half a day, so you'd have to have arrangements long before bitching about a day of on MLK day. By age 8 I was riding the subway to school in NYC.[/QUOTE]
Annoying troll is annoying[/QUOTE]
Not necessarily. It depends on the child, the circumstances, etc. At 5 I was pretty much staying home by myself but I lived in a small town with snoopy neighbors so it was no big deal.
I will say that it's a bit different today than it was when Chaz and I were youngins. But he's speaking from his own experiences so it can't be discounted completely.
But I'll bet Chaz wouldn't leave his 5 year old home alone or allow his 8 year old to ride the subway alone...
#11
Chazwozel
Fine. If you feel antsy about leaving your kid at home, here's what you do. Call up your kid's friend's mother from school. "Can Johnny play with Jimmy for the afternoon while I'm at work? I can pick him up at 3." Problem solved
Chazwozel
12 years old is the accepted age where a child can stay home for an extended time alone. And even then if you do it for more than a few hours I would question your judgment.[/QUOTE]If your kids are at school, they're old enough to be able to stay home for the day. An 8 year old is not as helpless as you think.
Get a job that does give you off on MLK day? Wow, you bitch worse than a teenager working at a grocery store. BUT IT'S NOOOOTTT FAAAAIIIRRRRR!!!!!!
Fine. If you feel antsy about leaving your kid at home, here's what you do. Call up your kid's friend's mother from school. "Can Johnny play with Jimmy for the afternoon while I'm at work? I can pick him up at 3." Problem solved
#12
Chazwozel
A 5 year old isn't going to school. Even if they are Kindergarten is only a half a day, so you'd have to have arrangements long before bitching about a day of on MLK day. By age 8 I was riding the subway to school in NYC.[/QUOTE]
Annoying troll is annoying[/QUOTE]
Lazy piece of shit is lazy. Get back to work.
Chazwozel
You'd really leave say, a 5 year old (someone just starting gradeschool) at home alone? Even 8 is a bit young to leave unattended all day long..[/QUOTE]If your kids are at school, they're old enough to be able to stay home for the day. An 8 year old is not as helpless as you think.
Get a job that does give you off on MLK day?
A 5 year old isn't going to school. Even if they are Kindergarten is only a half a day, so you'd have to have arrangements long before bitching about a day of on MLK day. By age 8 I was riding the subway to school in NYC.[/QUOTE]
Annoying troll is annoying[/QUOTE]
Lazy piece of shit is lazy. Get back to work.
#13
Chippy
You'd really leave say, a 5 year old (someone just starting gradeschool) at home alone? Even 8 is a bit young to leave unattended all day long..[/QUOTE]
A 5 year old isn't going to school. Even if they are Kindergarten is only a half a day, so you'd have to have arrangements long before bitching about a day of on MLK day. By age 8 I was riding the subway to school in NYC.[/QUOTE]
Annoying troll is annoying[/QUOTE]
How is that in any way trolling?
Chippy
If your kids are at school, they're old enough to be able to stay home for the day. An 8 year old is not as helpless as you think.
Get a job that does give you off on MLK day?
You'd really leave say, a 5 year old (someone just starting gradeschool) at home alone? Even 8 is a bit young to leave unattended all day long..[/QUOTE]
A 5 year old isn't going to school. Even if they are Kindergarten is only a half a day, so you'd have to have arrangements long before bitching about a day of on MLK day. By age 8 I was riding the subway to school in NYC.[/QUOTE]
Annoying troll is annoying[/QUOTE]
How is that in any way trolling?
#14
Chazwozel
A 5 year old isn't going to school. Even if they are Kindergarten is only a half a day, so you'd have to have arrangements long before bitching about a day of on MLK day. By age 8 I was riding the subway to school in NYC.[/QUOTE]
Annoying troll is annoying[/QUOTE]
Not necessarily. It depends on the child, the circumstances, etc. At 5 I was pretty much staying home by myself but I lived in a small town with snoopy neighbors so it was no big deal.
I will say that it's a bit different today than it was when Chaz and I were youngins. But he's speaking from his own experiences so it can't be discounted completely.
But I'll bet Chaz wouldn't leave his 5 year old home alone or allow his 8 year old to ride the subway alone...[/QUOTE]
Let's not derail too far here. The issue at hand is Mav bitching about not getting off from work today. I'll use my example. I suppose. My 5 year old goes to Kindergarten for 4 hours and my wife gets him at 1. Today he has off, so do I, but if I didn't, I'd set up a play date till 1 for him at a friends house. My point is that it's not your employers responsibility to make arrangements for you. If you want off, then call off. If you need the money then set something up.
Chazwozel
You'd really leave say, a 5 year old (someone just starting gradeschool) at home alone? Even 8 is a bit young to leave unattended all day long..[/QUOTE]If your kids are at school, they're old enough to be able to stay home for the day. An 8 year old is not as helpless as you think.
Get a job that does give you off on MLK day?
A 5 year old isn't going to school. Even if they are Kindergarten is only a half a day, so you'd have to have arrangements long before bitching about a day of on MLK day. By age 8 I was riding the subway to school in NYC.[/QUOTE]
Annoying troll is annoying[/QUOTE]
Not necessarily. It depends on the child, the circumstances, etc. At 5 I was pretty much staying home by myself but I lived in a small town with snoopy neighbors so it was no big deal.
I will say that it's a bit different today than it was when Chaz and I were youngins. But he's speaking from his own experiences so it can't be discounted completely.
But I'll bet Chaz wouldn't leave his 5 year old home alone or allow his 8 year old to ride the subway alone...[/QUOTE]
Let's not derail too far here. The issue at hand is Mav bitching about not getting off from work today. I'll use my example. I suppose. My 5 year old goes to Kindergarten for 4 hours and my wife gets him at 1. Today he has off, so do I, but if I didn't, I'd set up a play date till 1 for him at a friends house. My point is that it's not your employers responsibility to make arrangements for you. If you want off, then call off. If you need the money then set something up.
#15
Dave
Dave
He should learn to be like me. Work for 15 or 20 minutes a week and spend the rest of the time posting on here or in IRC.
#16
Allen, who is Quiet
Allen, who is Quiet
If a working parent is really concerned about MLK day, if necessary, they'll probably make calls and make some childcare happen. Don't let the fact that they need to make parenting decisions stop companies from making revenue for a day.
#17
Chippy
Chippy
This is going to be an awesome thread.
#18
Rubicon
He also thinks 5 year olds can't be in gradeschool, I was 5 when I was in kindergarten and there are 4 year olds in there as well, so it happens.
Rubicon
Because if someone honestly believes a 5 year old is of the age to stay alone in a home by themselves either A) should not be a parent or B) is trollingChippy said:How is that in any way trolling?
He also thinks 5 year olds can't be in gradeschool, I was 5 when I was in kindergarten and there are 4 year olds in there as well, so it happens.
#19
Chazwozel
Chazwozel
It's really not that hard to do either. There are these magical people in your life called friends and family. At the worst you end up paying a babysitter 20 bucks and 3 ice cream bars from your fridge.If a working parent is really concerned about MLK day, if necessary, they'll probably make calls and make some childcare happen. Don't let the fact that they need to make parenting decisions stop companies from making revenue for a day.
#20
Dave
Dave
Yeah, at least in this case parents have some sort of warning. It's snow/bad weather days that really screw you up! Not to mention when little Johnny has a fever so he can't even go to day care (even though people still try). Kids and both parents working is a real challenge. That's one of the reasons why I worked multiple jobs and my wife stayed at home with the kids. We were as poor as shit but the kids had someone there all the time.
#21
Chazwozel
In all honesty, Mav my boy, my fucking 2 year old is more capable than you.
Chazwozel
LoL I'd like you to quote where I said a 5 year old is of age to stay home alone. I said at 8 they're fine. Like I said before Kindergarten is a half day, so regardless, you'd have arrangements set up prior to the dreaded MLK day off they get. It's only 4 hours.Because if someone honestly believes a 5 year old is of the age to stay alone in a home by themselves either A) should not be a parent or B) is trollingChippy said:How is that in any way trolling?
He also thinks 5 year olds can't be in gradeschool, I was 5 when I was in kindergarten and there are 4 year olds in there as well, so it happens.
In all honesty, Mav my boy, my fucking 2 year old is more capable than you.
#22
Chippy
Chippy
He mentioned Kindergarten. I think of trolling as trying to get a direct rise out of you. Instead, he's just disagreeing with you in a hurtful manner. And, let's be honest, that's the best way to disagree with someone.Because if someone honestly believes a 5 year old is of the age to stay alone in a home by themselves either A) should not be a parent or B) is trollingChippy said:How is that in any way trolling?
He also thinks 5 year olds can't be in gradeschool, I was 5 when I was in kindergarten and there are 4 year olds in there as well, so it happens.
#23
Dave
*bzzt* I'm calling you on this. Having friends and family around is nice, but not everyone has this. Childcare and both parents working is a very, very difficult subject as there's a fine line between being cool to your employees and being unfair to the single workers.
And for 8 hours? $20? Cheap bastard.
Dave
It's really not that hard to do either. There are these magical people in your life called friends and family. At the worst you end up paying a babysitter 20 bucks and 3 ice cream bars from your fridge.[/QUOTE]If a working parent is really concerned about MLK day, if necessary, they'll probably make calls and make some childcare happen. Don't let the fact that they need to make parenting decisions stop companies from making revenue for a day.
*bzzt* I'm calling you on this. Having friends and family around is nice, but not everyone has this. Childcare and both parents working is a very, very difficult subject as there's a fine line between being cool to your employees and being unfair to the single workers.
And for 8 hours? $20? Cheap bastard.
#24
The Lovely Boehner
The Lovely Boehner
It's legal because the Federal Government says it's legal, to answer the OP.
#25
Shakey
Shakey
I work at a bank. The federal reserve is closed today and I still have to work. Half of the stuff I usually do I can't because of that.
What would you do if the government forced all companies to be closed on federal holidays? No gas, no groceries, no tv, nothing.
Daycare is always an option for your kids. You have plenty of time to prepare for it.
What would you do if the government forced all companies to be closed on federal holidays? No gas, no groceries, no tv, nothing.
Daycare is always an option for your kids. You have plenty of time to prepare for it.
#26
WolfOfOdin
WolfOfOdin
Dave's right. Though enforcement of that rule varies from state to state. In some, leaving a child under16 home alone is grounds for willful neglect and/or child endangerment.
#27
Allen, who is Quiet
*bzzt* I'm calling you on this. Having friends and family around is nice, but not everyone has this. Childcare and both parents working is a very, very difficult subject as there's a fine line between being cool to your employees and being unfair to the single workers.[/QUOTE]
I was raised by a single parent, and even when there weren't friends and family around, there were daycare services in the area that I could get dropped off at.
Allen, who is Quiet
It's really not that hard to do either. There are these magical people in your life called friends and family. At the worst you end up paying a babysitter 20 bucks and 3 ice cream bars from your fridge.[/QUOTE]If a working parent is really concerned about MLK day, if necessary, they'll probably make calls and make some childcare happen. Don't let the fact that they need to make parenting decisions stop companies from making revenue for a day.
*bzzt* I'm calling you on this. Having friends and family around is nice, but not everyone has this. Childcare and both parents working is a very, very difficult subject as there's a fine line between being cool to your employees and being unfair to the single workers.[/QUOTE]
I was raised by a single parent, and even when there weren't friends and family around, there were daycare services in the area that I could get dropped off at.
#28
General Specific
General Specific
Hell, the team I used to work on was open on Christmas Day because we had sites around the world. So, I have worked on Christmas Day in the past, MLK day is nothing.
#29
Rubicon
But you said a 5 year old was old enough to stay at home alone. And even IF you consider the post eidt, you're saying a 6 year old (a big one year difference..) is still old enough to be left at home alone.
Anyways, I'm not debating it, because either this is truly how you would parent a child or you are just trolling, and in either case I don't want to get into a flame war because I disprove of such barbaric parenting techniques.
/end thread (for me at least)
Rubicon
You edited the post.A 5 year old isn't going to school. Even if they are Kindergarten is only a half a day, so you'd have to have arrangements long before bitching about a day off on MLK day. By age 8 I was riding the subway to school in NYC. Furthermore, you could request a half day at work. Six year olds can get themselves cereal, turn on the TV/Xbox. I know it's amazing to hear, but children are actual factual thinking human beings!
But you said a 5 year old was old enough to stay at home alone. And even IF you consider the post eidt, you're saying a 6 year old (a big one year difference..) is still old enough to be left at home alone.
Anyways, I'm not debating it, because either this is truly how you would parent a child or you are just trolling, and in either case I don't want to get into a flame war because I disprove of such barbaric parenting techniques.
/end thread (for me at least)
#30
Chazwozel
*bzzt* I'm calling you on this. Having friends and family around is nice, but not everyone has this. Childcare and both parents working is a very, very difficult subject as there's a fine line between being cool to your employees and being unfair to the single workers.
And for 8 hours? $20? Cheap bastard.[/QUOTE]
Well Dave wait a minute. Kindergarten is four hours. 1st through 5th is from what 8-2 or 3 in the afternoon? 6 or 7 hours. You'd have to be picking up your kids or have arrangements to have them picked up from school anyway (or after school program I suppose). This whole topic is impossible to discuss in generalities because everyone has their own schedule. My point is that it's your own responsibility to make arrangements, not your employers.
Chazwozel
It's really not that hard to do either. There are these magical people in your life called friends and family. At the worst you end up paying a babysitter 20 bucks and 3 ice cream bars from your fridge.[/QUOTE]If a working parent is really concerned about MLK day, if necessary, they'll probably make calls and make some childcare happen. Don't let the fact that they need to make parenting decisions stop companies from making revenue for a day.
*bzzt* I'm calling you on this. Having friends and family around is nice, but not everyone has this. Childcare and both parents working is a very, very difficult subject as there's a fine line between being cool to your employees and being unfair to the single workers.
And for 8 hours? $20? Cheap bastard.[/QUOTE]
Well Dave wait a minute. Kindergarten is four hours. 1st through 5th is from what 8-2 or 3 in the afternoon? 6 or 7 hours. You'd have to be picking up your kids or have arrangements to have them picked up from school anyway (or after school program I suppose). This whole topic is impossible to discuss in generalities because everyone has their own schedule. My point is that it's your own responsibility to make arrangements, not your employers.
#31
Chazwozel
But you said a 5 year old was old enough to stay at home alone. And even IF you consider the post eidt, you're saying a 6 year old (a big one year difference..) is still old enough to be left at home alone.
Anyways, I'm not debating it, because either this is truly how you would parent a child or you are just trolling, and in either case I don't want to get into a flame war because I disprove of such barbaric parenting techniques.
/end thread (for me at least)[/QUOTE]
One year makes a big difference, chief.
Chazwozel
You edited the post.A 5 year old isn't going to school. Even if they are Kindergarten is only a half a day, so you'd have to have arrangements long before bitching about a day off on MLK day. By age 8 I was riding the subway to school in NYC. Furthermore, you could request a half day at work. Six year olds can get themselves cereal, turn on the TV/Xbox. I know it's amazing to hear, but children are actual factual thinking human beings!
But you said a 5 year old was old enough to stay at home alone. And even IF you consider the post eidt, you're saying a 6 year old (a big one year difference..) is still old enough to be left at home alone.
Anyways, I'm not debating it, because either this is truly how you would parent a child or you are just trolling, and in either case I don't want to get into a flame war because I disprove of such barbaric parenting techniques.
/end thread (for me at least)[/QUOTE]
One year makes a big difference, chief.
#32
Allen, who is Quiet
Allen, who is Quiet
Great typo.I don't want to get into a flame war because I disprove of such barbaric parenting techniques.
#33
Dave
*bzzt* I'm calling you on this. Having friends and family around is nice, but not everyone has this. Childcare and both parents working is a very, very difficult subject as there's a fine line between being cool to your employees and being unfair to the single workers.
And for 8 hours? $20? Cheap bastard.[/QUOTE]
Well Dave wait a minute. Kindergarten is four hours. 1st through 5th is from what 8-2 or 3 in the afternoon? 6 or 7 hours. You'd have to be picking up your kids or have arrangements to have them picked up from school anyway (or after school program I suppose). This whole topic is impossible to discuss in generalities because everyone has their own schedule. My point is that it's your own responsibility to make arrangements, not your employers.[/QUOTE]
We're not necessarily talking about picking them up from school but about getting them taken care of if there would be no school - like MLK Day.
When my kids were that young we had no friends or family that could watch them and we sure as hell couldn't afford daycare. So if the wife was sick we were basically screwed.
And here's an interesting site that lists the legal ages of kids by state.
Dave
It's really not that hard to do either. There are these magical people in your life called friends and family. At the worst you end up paying a babysitter 20 bucks and 3 ice cream bars from your fridge.[/QUOTE]If a working parent is really concerned about MLK day, if necessary, they'll probably make calls and make some childcare happen. Don't let the fact that they need to make parenting decisions stop companies from making revenue for a day.
*bzzt* I'm calling you on this. Having friends and family around is nice, but not everyone has this. Childcare and both parents working is a very, very difficult subject as there's a fine line between being cool to your employees and being unfair to the single workers.
And for 8 hours? $20? Cheap bastard.[/QUOTE]
Well Dave wait a minute. Kindergarten is four hours. 1st through 5th is from what 8-2 or 3 in the afternoon? 6 or 7 hours. You'd have to be picking up your kids or have arrangements to have them picked up from school anyway (or after school program I suppose). This whole topic is impossible to discuss in generalities because everyone has their own schedule. My point is that it's your own responsibility to make arrangements, not your employers.[/QUOTE]
We're not necessarily talking about picking them up from school but about getting them taken care of if there would be no school - like MLK Day.
When my kids were that young we had no friends or family that could watch them and we sure as hell couldn't afford daycare. So if the wife was sick we were basically screwed.
And here's an interesting site that lists the legal ages of kids by state.
#34
Chazwozel
*bzzt* I'm calling you on this. Having friends and family around is nice, but not everyone has this. Childcare and both parents working is a very, very difficult subject as there's a fine line between being cool to your employees and being unfair to the single workers.
And for 8 hours? $20? Cheap bastard.[/QUOTE]
Well Dave wait a minute. Kindergarten is four hours. 1st through 5th is from what 8-2 or 3 in the afternoon? 6 or 7 hours. You'd have to be picking up your kids or have arrangements to have them picked up from school anyway (or after school program I suppose). This whole topic is impossible to discuss in generalities because everyone has their own schedule. My point is that it's your own responsibility to make arrangements, not your employers.[/QUOTE]
We're not necessarily talking about picking them up from school but about getting them taken care of if there would be no school - like MLK Day.
When my kids were that young we had no friends or family that could watch them and we sure as hell couldn't afford daycare. So if the wife was sick we were basically screwed.
And here's an interesting site that lists the legal ages of kids by state.[/QUOTE]
Pennsylvania None
And a lot of those ages are 8 years old too. Looks like I'm not exactly Conan the Barbarian afterall...
Chazwozel
It's really not that hard to do either. There are these magical people in your life called friends and family. At the worst you end up paying a babysitter 20 bucks and 3 ice cream bars from your fridge.[/QUOTE]If a working parent is really concerned about MLK day, if necessary, they'll probably make calls and make some childcare happen. Don't let the fact that they need to make parenting decisions stop companies from making revenue for a day.
*bzzt* I'm calling you on this. Having friends and family around is nice, but not everyone has this. Childcare and both parents working is a very, very difficult subject as there's a fine line between being cool to your employees and being unfair to the single workers.
And for 8 hours? $20? Cheap bastard.[/QUOTE]
Well Dave wait a minute. Kindergarten is four hours. 1st through 5th is from what 8-2 or 3 in the afternoon? 6 or 7 hours. You'd have to be picking up your kids or have arrangements to have them picked up from school anyway (or after school program I suppose). This whole topic is impossible to discuss in generalities because everyone has their own schedule. My point is that it's your own responsibility to make arrangements, not your employers.[/QUOTE]
We're not necessarily talking about picking them up from school but about getting them taken care of if there would be no school - like MLK Day.
When my kids were that young we had no friends or family that could watch them and we sure as hell couldn't afford daycare. So if the wife was sick we were basically screwed.
And here's an interesting site that lists the legal ages of kids by state.[/QUOTE]
Pennsylvania None
And a lot of those ages are 8 years old too. Looks like I'm not exactly Conan the Barbarian afterall...
#35
Dave
Dave
I was shocked at how many of them are either "none" or "it's just a guideline more than an actual rule". Frightening, really.
#36
Chazwozel
Chazwozel
Well as an FYI to this thread. Technically, your employer can make you work on every holiday, even Christmas. Holidays are benefits. They are not required by law.
#37
fade
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Chaz, a lot of the US has gone to full day kindergarten. I know it is full day in Boston, SC, and Louisiana.
#38
Chazwozel
Fine. Regardless, it's not your employers responsibility to give you the day off because your kids don't have school.
Chazwozel
Chaz, a lot of the US has gone to full day kindergarten. I know it is full day in Boston, SC, and Louisiana.
Fine. Regardless, it's not your employers responsibility to give you the day off because your kids don't have school.
#39
Dave
Fine. Regardless, it's not your employers responsibility to give you the day off because your kids don't have school.[/QUOTE]
No, but they've found it's a good idea for employee morale and retention to at least make an effort to help out in some way and be flexible.
For example, here we can log in from home if need be (and they watch our productivity).
Dave
Chaz, a lot of the US has gone to full day kindergarten. I know it is full day in Boston, SC, and Louisiana.
Fine. Regardless, it's not your employers responsibility to give you the day off because your kids don't have school.[/QUOTE]
No, but they've found it's a good idea for employee morale and retention to at least make an effort to help out in some way and be flexible.
For example, here we can log in from home if need be (and they watch our productivity).
#40
drawn_inward
drawn_inward
Grad students don't get the day off.
#41
Dave
Dave
They didn't deserve it anyway.Grad students don't get the day off.
#42
drawn_inward
drawn_inward
But, I have a dream too!
#43
Chazwozel
Fine. Regardless, it's not your employers responsibility to give you the day off because your kids don't have school.[/QUOTE]
No, but they've found it's a good idea for employee morale and retention to at least make an effort to help out in some way and be flexible.
For example, here we can log in from home if need be (and they watch our productivity).[/QUOTE]
And I agree with that. But isn't it funny how many hoops we've jumped through for MLK day to be a real problem?
Scenario: your kid has off from a full day of school. He is 6 years old. You have to work.
Your options:
1. Plan ahead take vacation/ personal day
2. Take off work, no pay.
3. Take off work, sick day.
4. Work and have kid watched by relative
5. Work and have kid watched by friend
6. Work and have kid go to his best friends house for the day
7. Work and hire a babysitter
8. Work and send kid to daycare for the day.
9. Work and bring kid to work (if employer allows or has daycare)
10. Take half day and have kid stay alone for 4 hours (prepare their meal prior, give them a stack of movies to watch etc..)
11. Work and leave kid under the storm drain outside your office.
See 10 viable choices there before it all really is a problem. Oh and the last resort: Don't work and explain you had no other option. No one ever 'forces' you to work in this country.
Chazwozel
Chaz, a lot of the US has gone to full day kindergarten. I know it is full day in Boston, SC, and Louisiana.
Fine. Regardless, it's not your employers responsibility to give you the day off because your kids don't have school.[/QUOTE]
No, but they've found it's a good idea for employee morale and retention to at least make an effort to help out in some way and be flexible.
For example, here we can log in from home if need be (and they watch our productivity).[/QUOTE]
And I agree with that. But isn't it funny how many hoops we've jumped through for MLK day to be a real problem?
Scenario: your kid has off from a full day of school. He is 6 years old. You have to work.
Your options:
1. Plan ahead take vacation/ personal day
2. Take off work, no pay.
3. Take off work, sick day.
4. Work and have kid watched by relative
5. Work and have kid watched by friend
6. Work and have kid go to his best friends house for the day
7. Work and hire a babysitter
8. Work and send kid to daycare for the day.
9. Work and bring kid to work (if employer allows or has daycare)
10. Take half day and have kid stay alone for 4 hours (prepare their meal prior, give them a stack of movies to watch etc..)
11. Work and leave kid under the storm drain outside your office.
See 10 viable choices there before it all really is a problem. Oh and the last resort: Don't work and explain you had no other option. No one ever 'forces' you to work in this country.
#44
Kitty Sinatra
Kitty Sinatra
But that dream is just about sleeping in after boozing the night away!
We get nearly one statutory (legally mandated) holiday a month* up here, and that's not enough for me. This doesn't apply very well to the service industry, so Mav you might still have to work on such days but you'd get another day off or just get paid double time.
*heck, we just got a new one here in Ontario last year in February called "Family Day." It was one of my Liberal premier's election promises, but I didn't know that or else I'd have voted for him. Luckily, my party - The NDP - doesn't have a chance of winning, and my vote really doesn't matter anyway since my riding is firmly Conservative. So, like 2 days after he won, we got another day off. Sweet.
We get nearly one statutory (legally mandated) holiday a month* up here, and that's not enough for me. This doesn't apply very well to the service industry, so Mav you might still have to work on such days but you'd get another day off or just get paid double time.
*heck, we just got a new one here in Ontario last year in February called "Family Day." It was one of my Liberal premier's election promises, but I didn't know that or else I'd have voted for him. Luckily, my party - The NDP - doesn't have a chance of winning, and my vote really doesn't matter anyway since my riding is firmly Conservative. So, like 2 days after he won, we got another day off. Sweet.
#45
North_Ranger
North_Ranger
Martin Luthor King? Is that the black guy who had a dream of stealing forty cakes?
#46
Chippy
Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar.
Chippy
Martin Luthor King? Is that the black guy who had a dream of stealing forty cakes?
Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar.
#47
Jake
Jake
I can't remember the last time I had a job where I got MLK day off. Even if the admin people are off, the lab monkeys still got shit to do.Grad students don't get the day off.
#48
Chazwozel
This is why I thank to Lord for giving me a job smack in the middle of a city where the predominant population is black.
Chazwozel
I can't remember the last time I had a job where I got MLK day off. Even if the admin people are off, the lab monkeys still got shit to do.[/QUOTE]Grad students don't get the day off.
This is why I thank to Lord for giving me a job smack in the middle of a city where the predominant population is black.
#49
Frankie Williamson
Frankie Williamson
I don't remember ever having a babysitter beyond the age of kindergarten or grade 1 beyond having someone stay the night with me when my parents were going to be gone overnight. I of course though grew up in a very, very small town and had loads of friends that lived on my block and wouldn't be inside the house anyway for any reason after school until dinner time anyway.
Whoa, this thread hella progressed while I was mic'ing my lunch.
Whoa, this thread hella progressed while I was mic'ing my lunch.
#50
Covar
Covar
I have school off today, so I'm working a full 8 hours today, doubling my daily income. The downside of today is that my Golden Zelda II cartridge will not be delivered until tomorrow.
#51
@Li3n
@Li3n
But what if it rains? Won't you get blamed for clogging the storm drain?11. Work and leave kid under the storm drain outside your office.
#52
Deschain
Deschain
Why on Earth would that happen? You weren't the one blocking it. Also, I wouldn't leave my kid home for fear of something like home invasion. At least, not without years of careful instruction on how to operate firearms.But what if it rains? Won't you get blamed for clogging the storm drain?
#53
Garbledina
Chaz just has no common courtesy for the guys who'll have to do that maintenance. Always thinking of himself. Do you know how hard it is to pull out a bloated corpse?
Garbledina
But what if it rains? Won't you get blamed for clogging the storm drain?[/QUOTE]11. Work and leave kid under the storm drain outside your office.
Chaz just has no common courtesy for the guys who'll have to do that maintenance. Always thinking of himself. Do you know how hard it is to pull out a bloated corpse?
#54
CynicismKills
CynicismKills
Government workers are pretty much the only ones who'll get the day off, work-wise. Both of my parents were military when my brother and I were kids, and my retired grandparents lived within an hour of us, so being left alone (on Gov't holidays) was never an issue. Plus I wasn't a stupid kid so I knew how to look out for myself and my brother for 6-8 hours. I mean, it's not like we're talking 2 weeks alone here, really. Hell, what about latchkey kids? Coming home from school and spending hours alone because the folks were still at work? I was one of those for awhile, too.
#55
makare
makare
That's why I like living in a state capital, when the states off pretty much everything closes. It's awesome.
I think leaving a kid under the age of 10 home alone is just asking for trouble, certainly if the kid is under 8. And just because there is no set age restriction on how old to leave a kid home doesn't mean there isn't a reasonableness standard that has to be met. If your kid is 8 and home alone and something happens you better be able to show that a reasonable person would have left that particular kid home alone or you are going to be held accountable for anything that happens.
I think leaving a kid under the age of 10 home alone is just asking for trouble, certainly if the kid is under 8. And just because there is no set age restriction on how old to leave a kid home doesn't mean there isn't a reasonableness standard that has to be met. If your kid is 8 and home alone and something happens you better be able to show that a reasonable person would have left that particular kid home alone or you are going to be held accountable for anything that happens.
#56
Ravenpoe
Ravenpoe
Just make your kids watch every Home Alone movie, even the crappy newer ones. That'll prepare him to look after himself for as long as needed, as well as arm him with all of the improvised weaponry he might need to fend off nonthreatening and inept burglars.
#57
SpecialKO
SpecialKO
My last job observed every single federal holiday on the calendar and a bunch of non-official ones, like the Friday after Thanksgiving, but that was because employees were often working at least a couple hours past the technical closing of business, occasionally much more.
#58
Hailey Knight
Hailey Knight
In some offices, the boss has off today while everyone else has to work. Hrm.
As for kids staying at home, I agree with Chaz that there are a LOT of options before leaving your little kid at home alone. Don't agree about the ages, but that's area-dependent, and kid-dependent. There are kids I could see leaving alone at 8, and others the same age who might burn the house down. I certainly wouldn't leave two of them alone when the eldest is 8, because one 8 year old staying out trouble is different than one taking care of a younger sibling.
That said, I'm confused by that state list. At what point do they find the 6-year-old alone and decide the parent should be charged in a state that has no legal age limit? Is it just arbitrary "if something goes wrong?" Because it's happened in those states listing "None". Which suggests you could leave an infant alone and that's okay. I just had a case today with a mother arrested because she left her 2-year-old alone and he broke his arm.
As for kids staying at home, I agree with Chaz that there are a LOT of options before leaving your little kid at home alone. Don't agree about the ages, but that's area-dependent, and kid-dependent. There are kids I could see leaving alone at 8, and others the same age who might burn the house down. I certainly wouldn't leave two of them alone when the eldest is 8, because one 8 year old staying out trouble is different than one taking care of a younger sibling.
That said, I'm confused by that state list. At what point do they find the 6-year-old alone and decide the parent should be charged in a state that has no legal age limit? Is it just arbitrary "if something goes wrong?" Because it's happened in those states listing "None". Which suggests you could leave an infant alone and that's okay. I just had a case today with a mother arrested because she left her 2-year-old alone and he broke his arm.
#59
Wasabi Poptart
Wasabi Poptart
Go work for a casino. They don't give a shit if it's a Federal or religious holiday. It's all money to them. I worked more than one Christmas Day, New Years Eve, MLK Day, Presidents' Day, etc. If you had kids that were sick or home from school for whatever reason, you had 3 choices: ask for the day off ahead of time, make arrangements for someone to watch them, or call out sick. Out of sick time? Not past your 90-day probationary period? You'd be looking for a new job and it was perfectly legal.
#60
ElJuski
ElJuski
oh my god this thread is happening
in real time
in real time
#61
CynicismKills
CynicismKills
Very astute!oh my god this thread is happening
in real time
#62
Shegokigo
Shegokigo
I was under the impression that it was against the law (in all states) to leave your child at home under the age of 10. I'm shocked to be honest. If so, Chaz is pretty much right (about it being legal) but not about it being " right".
#63
Chazwozel
Other than Dave, I want to know how many people interact with an 8 or 10 year old on a daily basis? Raise you hands. I'm telling you they are not as stupid and helpless as you think. It varies from kid to kid, but man oh man. When I was 8, I would walk down Jamaica Ave in Queens, take the train, walk a couple blocks to the corner Deli to pick my parents up some cigarettes. This is NYC in the 80's, it wasn't the safest place in the world, but if you're street smart you know how to avoid problems (yes, even at 8 years old). My wife's cousins are 8 and 10, actually. They stay home alone after school for 3 hours until their parents get home from work, and in situations where they have off from school they're home all day. For 2-3 years now, they've managed not to kill themselves or burn the house down.
No, I wouldn't leave my 5 year old alone all day, but he has been alone for a couple hours while I'm outside doing yard work etc... It's a simple process of teaching a kid how to be self dependent and not end up being a 40 year old virgin living in our basement bitching about having to work on MLK day. I see it happening all the time anymore. You're considered a shitty parent if, heaven forbid, you let your child out of your sight. Remember this news story: http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/23935873/ Good for this lady. I really despise how fear mongering our society has become through the media.
Once again I work in center city Philadelphia. People I work with are constantly worried about getting mugged etc... I tell them not to be idiots: be alert, don't walk down sections you know are bad, mind it when someone's asking you questions (as a distraction), don't flash your wallet around... It's really not that hard to stay out of trouble. I learned things like this because my parents didn't hover over my every step, trying to protect me from the big, bad world.
By age 8 most kids are smarter and more clever than their parents.
Chazwozel
I was under the impression that it was against the law (in all states) to leave your child at home under the age of 10. I'm shocked to be honest. If so, Chaz is pretty much right (about it being legal) but not about it being \\" right\\".
Other than Dave, I want to know how many people interact with an 8 or 10 year old on a daily basis? Raise you hands. I'm telling you they are not as stupid and helpless as you think. It varies from kid to kid, but man oh man. When I was 8, I would walk down Jamaica Ave in Queens, take the train, walk a couple blocks to the corner Deli to pick my parents up some cigarettes. This is NYC in the 80's, it wasn't the safest place in the world, but if you're street smart you know how to avoid problems (yes, even at 8 years old). My wife's cousins are 8 and 10, actually. They stay home alone after school for 3 hours until their parents get home from work, and in situations where they have off from school they're home all day. For 2-3 years now, they've managed not to kill themselves or burn the house down.
No, I wouldn't leave my 5 year old alone all day, but he has been alone for a couple hours while I'm outside doing yard work etc... It's a simple process of teaching a kid how to be self dependent and not end up being a 40 year old virgin living in our basement bitching about having to work on MLK day. I see it happening all the time anymore. You're considered a shitty parent if, heaven forbid, you let your child out of your sight. Remember this news story: http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/23935873/ Good for this lady. I really despise how fear mongering our society has become through the media.
Once again I work in center city Philadelphia. People I work with are constantly worried about getting mugged etc... I tell them not to be idiots: be alert, don't walk down sections you know are bad, mind it when someone's asking you questions (as a distraction), don't flash your wallet around... It's really not that hard to stay out of trouble. I learned things like this because my parents didn't hover over my every step, trying to protect me from the big, bad world.
By age 8 most kids are smarter and more clever than their parents.
#64
fade
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Oh man, I've felt bad for that lady. She did the right thing, and people have lambasted her for it. We've become such a mollycoddling culture to our children. To ourselves, too. I think people outside of NY or Boston think the subway looks like a scene from The Warriors or some 70's horror schlock. I mean, it's friggin' Manhattan, not [insert bad part of town here]. 9 is pretty big. I was taking care of younger siblings at 9, for crying out loud.
#65
Cajungal
Cajungal
Huh, cool story. Her main concern was mine was well when I read this--that someone would try and hurt him. Many kids that age are old and mature enough to follow simple instructions. Like many parents say, "It's not them I worry about; it's everyone else." But still. he'd be in the most danger if he isolated himself somewhere where no one could help.
People can be so nosy, and parents can be so damn smug. They think that their way is the only way, and other, probably more mellow parents have to suffer because of it.
I grew up in a different kind of town, and I don't what I would have done in her situation. We don't really have good mass transit around here.
People can be so nosy, and parents can be so damn smug. They think that their way is the only way, and other, probably more mellow parents have to suffer because of it.
I grew up in a different kind of town, and I don't what I would have done in her situation. We don't really have good mass transit around here.
#66
Chazwozel
Chazwozel
Well in that situation (and it's all situational), he was fine. He was traveling during the day, during rush hour, with lots of people around. I know when I was his age, I was told to bite, kick, scream and swing if anyone ever grabbed me. No one's going to grab a kid with lots of people around.Huh, cool story. Her main concern was mine was well when I read this--that someone would try and hurt him. Many kids that age are old and mature enough to follow simple instructions. Like many parents say, "It's not them I worry about; it's everyone else." But still. he'd be in the most danger if he isolated himself somewhere where no one could help.
People can be so nosy, and parents can be so damn smug. They think that their way is the only way, and other, probably more mellow parents have to suffer because of it.
I grew up in a different kind of town, and I don't what I would have done in her situation. We don't really have good mass transit around here.
#67
Shannow
Shannow
So, Mav was trying to use the example of having kids to get the day off..when he obviously does not have any kids. The original point of whining like a teenager because he has to work on MLK day applies.
#68
Cajungal
Heh, I was told the same, that the more noise you made and the more you fought, the less likely someone was to bother you.
Cajungal
Well in that situation (and it's all situational), he was fine. He was traveling during the day, during rush hour, with lots of people around. I know when I was his age, I was told to bite, kick, scream and swing if anyone ever grabbed me. No one's going to grab a kid with lots of people around.[/QUOTE]Huh, cool story. Her main concern was mine was well when I read this--that someone would try and hurt him. Many kids that age are old and mature enough to follow simple instructions. Like many parents say, "It's not them I worry about; it's everyone else." But still. he'd be in the most danger if he isolated himself somewhere where no one could help.
People can be so nosy, and parents can be so damn smug. They think that their way is the only way, and other, probably more mellow parents have to suffer because of it.
I grew up in a different kind of town, and I don't what I would have done in her situation. We don't really have good mass transit around here.
Heh, I was told the same, that the more noise you made and the more you fought, the less likely someone was to bother you.
#69
ElJuski
Also, I wouldn't leave my 8 year old kid home alone unless I absolutely have to, but I won't harrangue anyone for it if they think their kid can handle it.
ElJuski
This is a very true statement.So, Mav was trying to use the example of having kids to get the day off..when he obviously does not have any kids. The original point of whining like a teenager because he has to work on MLK day applies.
Also, I wouldn't leave my 8 year old kid home alone unless I absolutely have to, but I won't harrangue anyone for it if they think their kid can handle it.
#70
makare
makare
I fail to see how taking some time to think from another person's perspective, parent vs nonparent, is whining. I wonder what things are like for people in life situations not like mine all the time and someday I'll probably be paid to do it.
#71
Shannow
Shannow
That is true, but let us be honest here. The kid is bitching becasue he has to work, when some others do not. Plain and simple. The children thing is an excuse to use for this goal of not having to work. If he doesnt like that company's policy on the issue...then quit, and find employment with a company who will give him what he wants. This sense of entitlement some folks have is just silly.
This. I actually get this holiday off with my current employer, and I was shocked when I found that out. eEery other place I have worked did not have it. But, other federal holidays, I do work (for example: Veteren's day).Chaz said:Well as an FYI to this thread. Technically, your employer can make you work on every holiday, even Christmas. Holidays are benefits. They are not required by law.
#72
Cajungal
Cajungal
I just figured he was venting. We all do it.
#73
makare
makare
It's a federal holiday wondering about the legal implications of not having a federal holiday off makes sense to me. especially since federal and legal just seem to be connected in most people's minds. I wonder those things too. And let's be serious here, quit your job and find another one is just not an option right now. Not for minor issues like not wanting to work on MLK day or major issues like harassment. People are really stuck.
#74
Chazwozel
I like to imagine life from the perspective of a pimp. Awww shit yeah dawg.
Chazwozel
I fail to see how taking some time to think from another person's perspective, parent vs nonparent, is whining. I wonder what things are like for people in life situations not like mine all the time and someday I'll probably be paid to do it.
I like to imagine life from the perspective of a pimp. Awww shit yeah dawg.
#75
Cajungal
Cajungal
But do you have the walk down? And the fancy cane?
#76
Chippy
Chippy
Do you have a good bottom bitch?
#77
Chazwozel
Chazwozel
I never understood that. If she's your top hoe, wouldn't she be your top bitch?Do you have a good bottom bitch?
#78
Shannow
Shannow
That is probably true, but if this truly was an issue for him, then he should have inquired about it from the start. It is pretty common knowledge that federal holiday does not equal time off for everyone everywhere. That is up to the employer. I stand by what I posted before.It's a federal holiday wondering about the legal implications of not having a federal holiday off makes sense to me. especially since federal and legal just seem to be connected in most people's minds. I wonder those things too. And let's be serious here, quit your job and find another one is just not an option right now. Not for minor issues like not wanting to work on MLK day or major issues like harassment. People are really stuck.
#79
Chazwozel
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Chazwozel
But do you have the walk down? And the fancy cane?
#80
Chippy
Pimps love alliteration.
Chippy
I never understood that. If she's your top hoe, wouldn't she be your top bitch?[/QUOTE]Do you have a good bottom bitch?
Pimps love alliteration.
#81
makare
makare
Maybe bottom refers to the most submissive bitch. There can be only one top and that is the pimp.
#82
Shannow
Shannow
Well, it is a classification of the hierarchy of your stable of ho's.
#83
ElJuski
ElJuski
Despite certain people getting the day off, it gets kind of crazy to think about EVERYONE having the day off. People need food, gas, water, electricity, the roads, etc. etc. etc. I mean, I guess we could shut down the entire nation so the Mav's can get a day off too. I doubt that would work in the long run, though.
#84
Chippy
Chippy
If you can't spell his name correctly, you shouldn't get the day off.
#85
Snuffleupagus
Snuffleupagus
Haha yes.If you can't spell his name correctly, you shouldn't get the day off.
#86
Dave
That way Martine Luthor King and Jeezus Krist can't get mad at me.
Dave
That's why I say MLK & Xmas.If you can't spell his name correctly, you shouldn't get the day off.
That way Martine Luthor King and Jeezus Krist can't get mad at me.
#87
fade
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OOOOOhhhhhhhhhhhh.
I didn't see that spelling error. NOW I get the 40 cakes joke...
I didn't see that spelling error. NOW I get the 40 cakes joke...
#88
ElJuski
ElJuski
haha, yeah, that makes MUCH more sense now.
#89
KCWM
KCWM
i got it off. go me.
#90
Jay
Jay
As a Canadian to read all of this shows me nothing but hypocrisy and a general man eat man ideology. Wasn't this man known for a specific line? (amongst many other things)
"I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: 'We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal."
I don't understand that for something as trivial as a HOLIDAY, the government cannot even agree with themselves that everyone should get that day off... only the fortunate.... which is a backhand to this very man's plight in life. If I were to compare it to a local holiday over here called St. Jean-Baptiste (John the Baptist) who all in all isn't considered elsewhere as a holiday... we generally ALL have the day off or work with benefits (aka twice our wage when I was younger).
This is pretty much an epic fail.
"I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: 'We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal."
I don't understand that for something as trivial as a HOLIDAY, the government cannot even agree with themselves that everyone should get that day off... only the fortunate.... which is a backhand to this very man's plight in life. If I were to compare it to a local holiday over here called St. Jean-Baptiste (John the Baptist) who all in all isn't considered elsewhere as a holiday... we generally ALL have the day off or work with benefits (aka twice our wage when I was younger).
This is pretty much an epic fail.
#91
Shannow
Shannow
I completely disagree with you.
#92
Chippy
Chippy
Ahhh. I retract my Stupid Joke Santa image.OOOOOhhhhhhhhhhhh.
I didn't see that spelling error. NOW I get the 40 cakes joke...
#93
Kitty Sinatra
Kitty Sinatra
I completely disagree with you.I completely disagree with you.
#94
fade
This is the day a Finn and a Mexican spotted errors made by native English speakers. 'Tis a sad day indeed.
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Ahhh. I retract my Stupid Joke Santa image.[/QUOTE]OOOOOhhhhhhhhhhhh.
I didn't see that spelling error. NOW I get the 40 cakes joke...
This is the day a Finn and a Mexican spotted errors made by native English speakers. 'Tis a sad day indeed.
#95
makare
makare
I don't think Luther has anything to do with the English language though.
#96
Chazwozel
Chazwozel
but but Mr. LuTHOR...
#97
sixpackshaker
sixpackshaker
In Texas, State Employees have the option to take off MLK day, or Confederate Heroes day.
It is the same day.
It is the same day.
#98
Dave
Confederate heroes day? Next let's have a Slave Owner's Appreciation Week.
Dave
MLK or Confederate Heroes Day? I can see how those two groups can intermix.In Texas, State Employees have the option to take off MLK day, or Confederate Heroes day.
It is the same day.
Confederate heroes day? Next let's have a Slave Owner's Appreciation Week.
#99
Chippy
This is the day a Finn and a Mexican spotted errors made by native English speakers. 'Tis a sad day indeed.[/QUOTE]
Are you saying I'm Mexican?
Edit: Never mind. Saw the Lovely Boner thread.
Chippy
Ahhh. I retract my Stupid Joke Santa image.[/QUOTE]OOOOOhhhhhhhhhhhh.
I didn't see that spelling error. NOW I get the 40 cakes joke...
This is the day a Finn and a Mexican spotted errors made by native English speakers. 'Tis a sad day indeed.[/QUOTE]
Are you saying I'm Mexican?
Edit: Never mind. Saw the Lovely Boner thread.