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So... Roger Ebert recanted (sort of) on the video game thing, insofar as he admits that if he's not willing to play games he doesn't have any authority to say anything about them. In particular he admits that there is no single definition of art he can come up with that includes everything he likes but excludes video games.

The article is actually fairly interesting and insightful, and can be found here. It's not exactly a nice helm, but it'll do for me.

I like how it's full of Shadow of the Colossus videos and screen caps.

escushion said:

I like how it's full of Shadow of the Colossus videos and screen caps.

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It's only because The Last Guardian isn't out yet and ICO is a PAIN IN THE ASS.

Quite liked this quote:

"I had to be prepared to agree that gamers can have an experience that, for them, is Art. I don't know what they can learn about another human being that way, no matter how much they learn about Human Nature. I don't know if they can be inspired to transcend themselves. Perhaps they can."

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I particularly like how the whole point of a lot of games is to become someone else for a little while. Like, literally.

Raemon777 said:

I particularly like how the whole point of a lot of games is to become someone else for a little while. Like, literally.

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Perhaps, but isn't the point of story to hear about someone else? The point of a movie to watch someone else's life? It's the same thing, just done in a different manner.

AshburnerX;410100][QUOTE=Raemon777 said:

I particularly like how the whole point of a lot of games is to become someone else for a little while. Like, literally.

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Perhaps, but isn't the point of story to hear about someone else? The point of a movie to watch someone else's life? It's the same thing, just done in a different manner.[/QUOTE]

Yes but in certain games that may have decent stories you could be playing from a first person narrative. So instead of reading the main character say "I did this and then I did that" the telling of the stories are done through the players actions, so then it could be considered first person narrative performance art. ;p

Some games wiill probbably become closer to art as a final product then others. Dragon Age, I stopped to think how my character would act in certain situation based off his origion story. Some people may just chose the easier gameplay option. Like certain styles of paintings, a person could be looking at visually odd images of real objects and scenes and interpret a deeper meaning/intention or just consider the piece as something done by someone who could not paint in a Neo-classic or Romantic art style. I think alot of galleries and art collectors would not write off alot of famous artists works because some people decide not to 'look' at them instead of 'view' them.

AshburnerX;410065][QUOTE=escushion said:

I like how it's full of Shadow of the Colossus videos and screen caps.

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It's only because The Last Guardian isn't out yet and ICO is a PAIN IN THE ASS.[/QUOTE]

Yeah.

I love Shadow of the Colossus though. I feel like I'm Wander going through it, and every battle is cinematic and epic. I actually try to make them last longer sometimes just to make it feel more like a struggle. I love that game so much.

I'm fairly satisfied with this pseudo-apology. He is never going to play a game recommended to him, so manning up and admitting that his cop-out hurts his side of the argument pretty badly, gets some credit from me.

Art, much like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder. To Roger Ebert, video games can never and will never be art. To many other people most games are obviously art. Both views are correct. A great man once said, "many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view."

Dude, he was totally trying to justify why he didn't see Anakin was turning to the dark side.

I know it can be hard to judge, but if your kid turns to the dark side and doesn't grow out of it in time to not kill his baby momma in blind rage, you're a bad parent.

No, he was justifying why he told Luke that Anakin Skywalker was killed by Darth Vader.

Duh, because he was trying to avoid admitting he was a bad parent.