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Hylian

Hylian

http://movies.ign.com/articles/103/1036869p1.html


Star Trek 2: Rumour Round-up


All we know about the sci-fi sequel so far.


by Orlando Parfitt, IGN UK


UK, October 21, 2009 - There's been a lot of gossip lately about the hotly anticipated sequel to Star Trek, with talent behind the film doing press for the movie's imminent DVD and Blu-ray release. We were finding it hard to keep track of all the Trek-chatter, so we decided to condense what we've learnt into one handy round-up of all that we know about Star Trek 2 so far.
The Story

In short, no one attached to the film knows what the story of Trek 2 will be and which villains it will involve. Or if they do, they're not saying. This hasn't stopped the writers Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman, director/producer JJ Abrams and even actor Leonard Nimoy talking around possible plot-points for the movie. Some of the ideas that will shape the script for Trek 2 seem to be:

1) Keeping it mainstream. Says Kurtzman: \"Whatever the final movie ends up being, I know it will be something that will...work on its own terms and be something that you don't need to know and study Star Trek to get.\" In short; making sure it's accessible to non-Trekkies.



Expect more character development for the expanded crew of the Enterprise in Trek 2.


2) Going deeper into the characters. One of the issues IGN had with Trek was that, Kirk and Spock apart, the supporting cast were somewhat lightweight - there simply wasn't enough time to go deeply into their relationships. Apparently this is the plan for Part 2. \"I think that it is the job of the next film to go a little bit deeper,\" said Kurtzman. \"Not to be any less fun, not to sort of take itself too seriously, but to consider now who these people are and to sort of grow with them and, and just examine maybe a little bit more closely.\"

3) Most tantalisingly, Orci has also said that he's been re-reading many of the Trek novels and fan-fiction for further plots: \"I'm starting to re-immerse myself again in what's come before.\"

We are the Borg?

Could this include plots from The Next Generation, or more specifically, fan-favourite organic-assimilating villains The Borg. Again, it's a possibility. Orci told Coming Soon: \"I think we would think about it, because we do love The Next Generation.\" Kurtzman meanwhile said: \"it is on the table\" though ideas from the original series have priority.

\"Khan is out there...\"

One mooted plotline that would surely get fans excited is the re-introduction of Khan Noonien Singh - the iconic baddie from Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan. Back in August, Abrams addressed the rumour, saying: \"It'll be fun to hear what [scripters] Alex [Kurtzman] and Bob [Orci] are thinking about Khan... [Khan and Kirk] exist... Certain people are destined to cross paths and come together, and Khan is out there ... even if he doesn't have the same issues.\"

Kurtzman meanwhile also admitted to thinking about the mad super-genius, but said that it would be who's most appropriate for Kirk and Spock that decides which villain they eventually choose. \"How do we want to test them...Who would be the best foe?\"

Social Commentary

Back in September Orci said that they would want to reflect present day issues in Trek 2, maybe even a 'war-on-terror' Klingon storyline. The writer cleared this up recently.

\"The torture thing was just a for instance,\" Orci explained. \"We're not doing a story about...Guantanamo Bay. But now that we've established the characters, we can have a more philosophical allegory where what's happening in the future represents our world. Like the best versions of it in the '60s did, represented racial equality, progressive issues.\" So don't expect any heavy-handed political allegories in the next movie. A good thing, no?



Abrams loves Shatner. So do we.


Will Shatner Return?

A big part of the story for Star Trek was the time-travelling plot, which saw Leonard Nimoy return as an older version of Spock and go back to meet his younger incarnation. (Spoiler Alert) The writers said that after Nero's time-travelling device was destroyed at the end of the movie, there would be no more hopping back-and-forth through the decades, (\"we're stuck with this universe we're in now.\"), effectively ruling out further appearances for former cast members.

However there's been recent speculation (from Cinnematical) that Nimoy and possibly William Shatner could return. Beginning with the former Captain Kirk, JJ Abrams has said that he's already opened a dialog with Shatner about appearing in the next instalment.

\"I would love to figure out something\" he said. Apparently now they've done the job of introducing the new cast, it gives the writers more scope to get Shatner involved. \"Maybe there's less of a burden and there's going to be more opportunity to work with him again. I would love to work with him.\"

This could also leave the door open for Nimoy to don pointy ears once more, but the actor himself is not convinced, telling us: \"I frankly doubt that I will be called upon again. I think I was useful in his last film to help bridge between the original characters, the original actors, and the new cast. I don't see, at the moment, why they would need me in the next film.\" Having done such a good job rebooting the story initially, we reckon bringing back one or both of the old guard would be an odd decision, but who knows?

Back-to-back Trek

Moving away from possible storylines, there's also been chat lately about various behind-the-scenes aspects of the sci-fi sequel.

One such rumour was that a second and third Trek movie would be shot back-to-back (like the Matrix sequels) and would follow-on directly from one another. It seems Orci is certainly thinking about it, telling us that there is more than enough Star Trek material for a two-part story. \"It happens to cross your mind, but we're not leaning one way or the other yet.\"

The Release Date

When the sequel was announced (a month before the original came out) in the trades, a summer 2011 release date was mooted. However with JJ Abrams now definitely attached to Mission: Impossible IV, the date could be pushed back to 2012.




JJ Abrams might not direct Star Trek 2.


Trek in 3-D?

Another tantalising rumour we heard recently was the possibility that Star Trek 2 would be shot in 3-D. Abrams hasn't made a decision yet, but wont rule it out.

\"It's funny, Paramount talked to me about doing the first one in 3-D and having it only be my second film I was petrified,\" Abrams admitted. \"I thought that it would be another dimension of pain in the ass. I thought it would be like, 'Oh, my God. I just want to make a decent 2-D movie.' I was so worried that instead of it being a decent 2-D movie, it would be a bad 3-D one. But I'm open to looking at it because now I feel a little more comfortable and if, in fact, I direct the sequel of our Star Trek film, 3-D could be really fun. So I'm open to it.\"

Will Abrams Direct?

Hang on, let's time travel back to the previous quote. \"...if, in fact, I direct the sequel\". That means that the big man hasn't even fully committed to direct the next film (although he'll definitely produce). Maybe Mission: Impossible IV commitments (see above) would mess with his schedule. Either way, the possibility of another helmer at the bridge of the franchise is perhaps the most terrifying Star Trek rumour to have emerged so far.
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Dave

Dave

I love that you pasted the Wendy's ad.


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Hylian

Hylian

oops I removed that now. Apparently Adblock plus blocked the image and I did not see it.


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Dave

Dave

No worries, man! I thought it was funny. And since it's nearly lunch time....


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ThatNickGuy

Honestly, I really, REALLY hope they don't do The Borg OR Khan. Khan was amazing in Wrath of Khan and it's one of the best Star Trek movies, if not sci-fi movies. Let it stay that way.

Like Klingons, The Borg have been ridiculously overused and I'd be happy if they didn't use them, either.

You know what I'd love to see? If they're taking ideas from the original series...how about a blockbuster version of The Gorn episode? It'd be like Star Trek meets Predator and it'd be effing awesome.

Edited for this awesome addendum:
'I thought that it would be another dimension of pain in the ass. I thought it would be like, 'Oh, my God. I just want to make a decent 2-D movie.'

Bwa-ha-ha-ha-ha! That's. Just. Win.


#6

Frank

Frankie Williamson

Ugh Borg.


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@Li3n

@Li3n

hylian said:
"Khan is out there..."
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Kitty Sinatra

Yeah, I don't want Borg, but I think it would be kinda neat if they did Khan from the start, when they discover the Bounty (was that the name of the ship?), before Khan is the enemy.

However, I'd still rather have something other than Khan.


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Hylian

Hylian

Gruebeard said:
Yeah, I don't want Borg, but I think it would be kinda neat if they did Khan from the start, when they discover the Bounty (was that the name of the ship?), before Khan is the enemy.

However, I'd still rather have something other than Khan.
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Alucard

What about the Continuum or Q? They could be a viable threat.


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Kitty Sinatra

The Q are like gods, though. I'd think any plot that involves them as a threat would be terribly contrived. They could certainly be involved as plot devices, though, such as when Q sent the Enterprise off to meet the Borg, or sent them off to fantasy land to play Robin Hood.


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ThatNickGuy

Hm. Although...

...what if they brought back Trelane, from the Original Series?

Even better, they could borrow heavily from one of my fave Trek novels, Q-Squarred, where Trelane becomes more powerful than the entire Continuum.


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Kitty Sinatra

Trelane? Doesn't ring a bell. I think I know who you mean though and a quick google confirms it. Yeah, I still think he has the same issue. With all his power, all he's doing is toying around with the crew. It makes for interesting character interaction, but I think it'd fail as an action movie.


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Alucard

Well didnt in Star Trek Legacy Kirk met the Borg early on and they created a contigency plan to watch out for them? They could incorporate it that some way. Then again supposedly didnt Archer meet some of them in the Enterprise show?

Sue me for calling it a decent game but some of the mods I tried out for it made it a game that it should have been


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Norris

Norris

Huh. The nerd in me says "noooooooo! The Borg don't come around for another century!" but the super nerd in me says "Well, it states in the prequel comic that the Nerada was beefed up with Borg technology.....who says the Romulans adapted it perfectly without any missed beacons?"

As far as using Kahn goes...if you take the basic plot of the Space Seed and have Kahn & his men successfully take over the ship, add in some shipboard cat and mouse action where Kirk and the main crew try to sabotage Kahn and regain the ship...that could be a kick ass movie.

The Klingons could be interesting (their TOS villainy mixed with their TNG honor and battle philosophy), they have been done. Often. Why not shine a light on the Romulans? They have cloaking devices in this era, would have an interest in trying to claim any data the Federation had on the Nerada, and their sister species now finds itself without a homeworld and on the brink of going extinct. Maybe they are diplomatically active with the Vulcans while sending out cloaked ships to find what they can about the Nerada's technology.

As far as Shatner appearing...I don't think it should be as James Kirk. In the original continuity, there was an Enterprise captain named Robert April who served before Pike and was an admiral by the time of Kirk. Fleet Admiral April would be a tidy cameo for Shatner and would require no time bending explanations or Old Spock flashbacks.

Those are my two cents.


#16

Charlie Don't Surf

The Lovely Boehner

Shatner should play the villain and chew scenery for the movie's entire running time.


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ThatNickGuy

I thought of something the other day:

They could bring Shatner in, but NOT as Kirk. Imagine Shatner all decked out as a Klingon, for example. :D Just put him in a bunch of make-up and set him loose.


#18

Charlie Don't Surf

The Lovely Boehner

Charlie Dont Surf said:
Shatner should play the villain and chew scenery for the movie's entire running time.
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ThatNickGuy said:
I thought of something the other day:

They could bring Shatner in, but NOT as Kirk. Imagine Shatner all decked out as a Klingon, for example. :D Just put him in a bunch of make-up and set him loose.
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:tina:


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fade

fade

Why so much hate for the Borg? They are awesome villains for heroes who rely so much on diplomacy and speechcraft.


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ThatNickGuy

It's not that the Borg aren't awesome. They are! I agree that they're great, uncompromising villains in the face of diplomacy.

But like Klingons, they've been overused far too much that I feel they should take a break from them. The idea behind this Star Trek is that it's NEW! They have a completely open ended universe, now, where they can do anything and everything. To return to two of Star Trek's biggest mainstays would be taking a step backwards, in my opinion.


#21

Bowielee

Bowielee

The Borg and Klingons are to ST:TNG

as

The Daleks and Cybermen are to Dr Who, then new series.

Quit rehashing the same old villains and strike some new ground.

Though I'm not a huge fan of DS9, they had a buttload of new villians (dominion) as well as new takes on existing villains (cardassians).


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Kitty Sinatra

I don't really care for the Borg. I think introducing the Queen partly killed it for me; While she provided a character to be interacted with in more human terms, she made the Borg more human at the same time. Or now that there's a Borg with a distinct personality and canbe reasoned with, the, they suddenly became something other than the mindless, programmed beasts that made them that different sort of threat they were in TNG.

But I also stopped liking them once they reached Earth and were defeated back during TNG. It's like the real threat - that of the unstoppable, undeniable force where the only recourse was to get out of the way - was resolved. So they've run their course for me.


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Bowielee

Bowielee

Even though I don't want the Borg in the new ST, one interesting way to incorporate them would be to solidify the long running hypothesis that VGER from ST:TMP was assimilated by the Borg and rather than things taking the course of the original movie, have VGER report back to the collective and bring the Borg into the current universe.

They'd have to justify it some way because even with the newly established timeline, the Borg are a few hundred years away from being discovered by the federation, and even then it was only the intervention of Q that made it happen early.

But I'm just rambling.


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Gkbur

Well according to some people, this may viral video for the new movie.


#25



Iaculus

Hrm - some Klingon-ness would be nice, if only to get a better look at the updated versions of those iconic Birds of Prey. All we got last time was a couple of green blobs in the viewports of the Kobayashi Maru simulator.

Besides, they did a half-decent job with the Romulans last time, didn't they? They go back just as far as the Klingons, by my recollection.

Don't get me wrong, I'm fine with whatever direction they take the film in, but if they can have, say, an epic space battle with a Klingon fleet as a cold open, I would be a happy panda.


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Hylian

Hylian

Gkbur said:
Well according to some people, this may viral video for the new movie.
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http://www.halforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10242


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drawn_inward

drawn_inward

I hope JJ Abrams directs. I don't mind waiting for the sequel. As for villains, I don't want to see Khan or the Borg. I don't know who they should be up against though. Maybe they should save some whales. That would be nice.




I can't believe they're making another Mission Impossible movie. Ugh. One was enough.


#28

Charlie Don't Surf

The Lovely Boehner

drawn_inward said:
I can't believe they're making another Mission Impossible movie. Ugh. One was enough.
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Three was actually the best one?


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Iaculus

Charlie Dont Surf;284698][quote=drawn_inward said:
I can't believe they're making another Mission Impossible movie. Ugh. One was enough.
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Three was actually the best one?[/QUOTE]

Actually, I'm with Charlie on this. It had something that, when looked at in a good light, could loosely constitute a plot.


#30



Soliloquy

Iaculus;284702][quote=Charlie Dont Surf;284698][quote=drawn_inward said:
I can't believe they're making another Mission Impossible movie. Ugh. One was enough.
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Three was actually the best one?[/QUOTE]

Actually, I'm with Charlie on this. It had something that, when looked at in a good light, could loosely constitute a plot.[/QUOTE]

I couldn't stand 3 because:
due to the way they did the opening sequence, everything that happened from the point Ethan realized that the bad guys were going after his wife to the point that they shot his "wife" was entirely predictable, and therefore dull.

I liked everything that happened after they revealed that the woman who they shot wasn't actually his wife, and everything that happened before the bad guy started going after Ethan's wife, though.

M:I2 was just dumb, but I enjoyed the first one.


#31

@Li3n

@Li3n

Pitting the Borg against the ToS era Ent, even with upgrades from scanning that romulan mining ship would just degrade them further from their debut in TNG...

Better if they use something from ToS in some fashion... what was that episode with the crystal creatures and the time displaced ship that they used as a basis for that evil universe ep of Enterprise? That could work pretty well...


#32



Alucard

no not the evil alternate universe they use that gambit all the time same with the borg

i say go with a completely different enemy this is a fucking alternate timeline use a fucking alternate timeline enemy


#33

@Li3n

@Li3n

I meant the aliens from ToS that made the net thingy that trapped the ship that evil Dr. Sam Beckett used to try an take over... the original ToG episode didn't have alt universe, just a disappearing ship...

---------- Post added at 07:12 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:09 PM ----------

These guys: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tholian

And this is the ToS episode: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tholian_Web

And the Ent episode, which was what the show should have been in the 1st place: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_a_Mirror,_Darkly_(Enterprise_episode)

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Of course using those guys and their "web" weapon could also open up the possibility of a evil old Kirk cameo near the end, acquiring the better tech the movie universe has because of the romulan time travel...


#34

Bowielee

Bowielee

I think they should take a currently marginal race that's part of the federation in original series and make them into complete badasses. Different time line, so things happened differently in this universe.


#35



ThatNickGuy

GORRRRRRRRN!!!!



#36

@Li3n

@Li3n

Tholian!



#37

Bowielee

Bowielee

I was thinking of a race like the Andorians or somesuch. Take one of the lame races and turn them into something awsome.


#38

@Li3n

@Li3n

Bowielee said:
I was thinking of a race like the Andorians or somesuch.
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Ent wasn't very great, but i'm assuming you didn't watch it at all...


And we where talking villains...


#39



ThatNickGuy

GORN, DAMNIT!



#40

@Li3n

@Li3n

Tholian...



#41

Bowielee

Bowielee

@Li3n;285438][quote=Bowielee said:
I was thinking of a race like the Andorians or somesuch.
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Ent wasn't very great, but i'm assuming you didn't watch it at all...


And we where talking villains...[/QUOTE]

No, I never watched Enterprise. I hated the very concept of it.

I was talking villains too. I'm saying it would be interesting to take one of the lame races and switch them around to be villains.


#42

fade

fade

I friggin' liked Enterprise. I thought it was realistic from the ship's construction and mechanical problems through the moral dilemmas the crew had with being new to space exploration. Too many people were hung up on continuity problems. I couldn't care less that they snuck a teleporter in.


#43

Bowielee

Bowielee

My biggest problem with enterprise was changing Vulcans from being the logical race they are and turned them into emo space bitches.


#44

@Li3n

@Li3n

@fade

meh, the show had promise, but time travel doesn't work without some sort of over all plan to it (unless it Quantum Leap).


Bowielee;285446][quote=@Li3n;285438][quote=Bowielee said:
I was thinking of a race like the Andorians or somesuch.
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Ent wasn't very great, but i'm assuming you didn't watch it at all...


And we where talking villains...[/quote]

No, I never watched Enterprise. I hated the very concept of it.

I was talking villains too. I'm saying it would be interesting to take one of the lame races and switch them around to be villains.[/quote]

Yup, Andorians... the guy was awesome (he also played the shapeshifters servant guy from DS9 i think).

My biggest problem with enterprise was changing Vulcans from being the logical race they are and turned them into emo space bitches.
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Amok Time... but yeah, made no sense for when it was set in the timeline, and as i recall they never did resolve the whole romulan infiltration thing...


#45

Baerdog

Baerdog

@Li3n said:
@fade

meh, the show had promise, but time travel doesn't work without some sort of over all plan to it (unless it Quantum Leap).


Bowielee;285446][quote=@Li3n;285438][quote=Bowielee said:
I was thinking of a race like the Andorians or somesuch.
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Ent wasn't very great, but i'm assuming you didn't watch it at all...


And we where talking villains...
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No, I never watched Enterprise. I hated the very concept of it.

I was talking villains too. I'm saying it would be interesting to take one of the lame races and switch them around to be villains.[/quote]

Yup, Andorians... the guy was awesome (he also played the shapeshifters servant guy from DS9 i think).[/QUOTE]
Jeffrey Combs. He also played Liquidator Brunt, FCA, in DS9.


#46



Alucard

Dude the Vulcans are exactly even in abrams star trek they are that way.

they're a bunch of self righteous pricks


#47



Dusty668



The saga continues...


#48

Hylian

Hylian

I am dying to know if these are simply a fans videos or are they a viral video campaign?


#49



Twitch

BlackCat said:
Dude the Vulcans are exactly even in abrams star trek they are that way.

they're a bunch of self righteous pricks
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I don't know about pricks but I've been further even more decided to use even go need to do look more as anyone can. Can Abrams really be far even as decided half as much to use go wish for Vulcans? My guess is that when one really been far even as decided once to use even go want, it is then that he has really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more prick. It's just common sense.


#50



GeneralOrder24

If there's a Star Trek 2, I think it needs a Harry Mudd.


#51



ThatNickGuy

GeneralOrder24 said:
If there's a Star Trek 2, I think it needs a Harry Mudd.
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!!!

Dude, I'd be totally down for that.


#52

@Li3n

@Li3n

ThatNickGuy;285747][quote=GeneralOrder24 said:
If there's a Star Trek 2, I think it needs a Harry Mudd.
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!!!

Dude, I'd be totally down for that.[/QUOTE]

I'm not Hillary Clinton, and i approve this message...


#53



ThatNickGuy

So, what we need is a war between the Tholians and the Gorn, with Harry Mudd selling weapons to either side to make a buck?

Hell, I'd watch it!


#54

@Li3n

@Li3n

ThatNickGuy said:
So, what we need is a war between the Tholians and the Gorn, with Harry Mudd selling weapons to either side to make a buck?

Hell, I'd watch it!
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AND WE HAVE A WINNER.... someone get Abrams on the phone.


#55

Bowielee

Bowielee

My suggestion for Harry Mudd-

Steven Fry


#56



Alucard

please that was done in g.i. joe we dont need another rinse repeat formula okay?
sheesh

What about Cardassians? Wouldn't they be badass enough? just look at deep space nine


#57



ThatNickGuy

And they were used well enough in DS9. Again, revive something from the old series or do something entirely new. Don't bring back the staples of the Next Generation universe.


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