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After playing some L4D2 last night, Steam popped up their latest "special" which was a pre-order for the Star Trek Online (henceforth known as STO). My eyes opened wide as I didn't know it was so close to completion and it seems it'll be unlocked at the end of the month.

Has anyone been accepted in the beta? Has anyone played the game? I'd like to hear your opinion!
Is anyone getting this game? Will it be any good?

Discuss.

Well I applied for the beta but haven't gotten an invite yet. I'm hoping for the open beta to at least try it out.
STO looks like an mmo I could get into but I haven't been able to find any gameplay videos. It's on my watched
game list. Depending on reviews I will most likely delve into STO.

That's the same story with me. No gameplay vids... no beta invite. There better be an open beta, that's for sure.

I don't think I'll bite unless I actually play this game.

I think I heard there may be an open beta nearthe end of the month though.

Ya, they always open those at the very end... i just more than... this... though it IS... awesome

I pre-order it. I should get my beta access (steam said I would)

Unfortunately, it's bad. The voice acting is just horrible, the combat is uninteresting and the ships? Oh my god it's so slow. Maybe it'll get better much further in, but I'm not buying this game. I'll wait for ORO.

You got in the beta? If you aren't playing it, change ur password and share! ^.^

SeraRelm said:

Unfortunately, it's bad. The voice acting is just horrible, the combat is uninteresting and the ships? Oh my god it's so slow. Maybe it'll get better much further in, but I'm not buying this game. I'll wait for ORO.

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OMG it's ACCURRATE!! (minus the voice acting).

I've been strongly tempted to pre-order this and build a PC that can play it.

Covar;325732][QUOTE=SeraRelm said:

Unfortunately, it's bad. The voice acting is just horrible, the combat is uninteresting and the ships? Oh my god it's so slow. Maybe it'll get better much further in, but I'm not buying this game. I'll wait for ORO.

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OMG it's ACCURRATE!! (minus the voice acting).[/QUOTE]

Not anymore son... now Star Trek is about collapse-able swords and non stop action.

Bad Voice acting and lame combat in my Beta? It's more likely than you think.

Of course the question is can the stuff that make it lame be adjusted or are they too ingrained in the existing system?

I dunno, ask Mav.

I personally have zero interest in the game.

Then why on earth were you allowed in the beta?

Shego was? I thought it was Sera.

Shegokigo said:

I dunno, ask Mav.

I personally have zero interest in the game.

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And i have 0 interest in mmos... what's your point?!

My point is, I wouldn't have signed up for the BETA with no interest.

This thread has been fail overnight.

I just want to play a good Star Trek game. If I wind up playing this game I'm definitely getting on an RP server. Mostly for the less inane population that usually goes to them.

Shegokigo said:

My point is, I wouldn't have signed up for the BETA with no interest.

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And my point was that you where answering what was a statement in the form of a question...

@Li3n;326237][QUOTE=Shegokigo said:

My point is, I wouldn't have signed up for the BETA with no interest.

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And my point was that you where answering what was a statement in the form of a question...[/QUOTE]



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I take Thread Derailment for 200!

I sign up for beta but didn't get invited. I did pre-order to give this a whirl. I am a Star Trek fan so hoping this might be pretty good. (IMO) the only reason I pre-order for the electronic goodies

which pre-order did you go with?

Covar said:

which pre-order did you go with?

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The deluxe edition. I usually don't do it for some MMO, but I really love Star Trek and I'm hoping it is good yea.. fanboy in me said go with it.

edit: I got the Steam version cause I want to name my ship with NX series and the new uniform looks HOT!

I love Star Trek too, but how does it become an MMO? I can see the pure flight aspect ala EVE, but away team based? "Go to the Klingon Space and kill 15 Klingon captain to get 12 holodeck rations"?

I am figuring the quest might be "limited" but it looks like it has potential. I'll give a better perspective if they ever let me in and play (I applied months ago)

well, I guess we won't know til someone can report on how it works as an mmo.

I seem to recall someone saying not to judge a new mmo until it's been out 6 months

You're right, hence why I've said nothing positive or negative towards it. I'm simply curious as to the mechanics.

All I ask is to be in the beta. I'd literally get on my knees and provide oral.

well... if they follow the show what kind of stuff you have?

Colony A is in trouble need help
Away team go
question/research the area
possible conflict (some sort of fight)
resolution
mission over

similar for space too if you think about it, but how often can you have Klingon attack, Borg attack and such.

But I figure since we have science vessel you might do escort missions, transport of goods/people, protect borders? (Eve style?) I'm just stoke. The potential is there I just hope they will tap into all of that.

SeriousJay said:

All I ask is to be in the beta. I'd literally get on my knees and provide oral.

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........ wow

Or

I got my open beta key today. Paid $7 for it but eh, its cheaper than a pre order in some places. On the plus side my dl speeds will be 1.5g/sec so 8 gigs in 2 hours is nice

mav, did i ever tell you that you're by far my favortie poster?

open beta starts??? oh snap. I better go download it. Dang work, detracts me from my gaming habits.

SeriousJay said:

mav, did i ever tell you that you're by far my favortie poster?

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sent you a pm

*does math in head*

I think he means 1.5 MB/sec. That would make it about 1.48 hours.

I'd kill for 1.5 GB/sec. Seriously. Who would I have to kill?

Dave said:

*does math in head*

I think he means 1.5 MB/sec. That would make it about 1.48 hours.

I'd kill for 1.5 GB/sec. Seriously. Who would I have to kill?

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lol..yea my bad, 1.5 mb/sec. I got it in like 2.1 hours off fileplanet

I have a beta key. But sadly I don't think I will be able to play in the beta with my 6month old and just getting a ps3. so if someone wants my key the first one to PM's me gets it.

PM sent.

I get 20mpbs (speedtest.net pegs it at 19.77 today)...oh how I love fiber optics.

AshburnerX said:

PM sent.

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PM sent back to you with the info.

Man I'd like a beta key. :sneaky:

Shegokigo said:

I love Star Trek too, but how does it become an MMO? I can see the pure flight aspect ala EVE, but away team based? "Go to the Klingon Space and kill 15 Klingon captain to get 12 holodeck rations"?

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I agree with this statement. Doesn't an MMO completely ignore that ideas behind Star Trek; that the Star Trek universe is about bettering the human condition, bettering yourself, society etc...

In order to better society, I'm going to need you to go to the Neutral Zone and collect 15 cases of Romulan ale for me.

Baerdog7 said:

In order to better society, I'm going to need you to go to the Neutral Zone and collect 15 cases of Romulan ale for me.

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haha.

Still downloading... 74%.. QQ

At least you could get your download started. I was stuck at 41 minutes away from download at Fileplanet for over 2 hours before I decided to go to bed. Couldn't get any of the other sites to work for my download and the torrent file was downloading at like 2/kbs. Going to try again in a bit.

Chazwozel;328040][QUOTE=Shegokigo said:

I love Star Trek too, but how does it become an MMO? I can see the pure flight aspect ala EVE, but away team based? "Go to the Klingon Space and kill 15 Klingon captain to get 12 holodeck rations"?

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I agree with this statement. Doesn't an MMO completely ignore that ideas behind Star Trek; that the Star Trek universe is about bettering the human condition, bettering yourself, society etc...[/QUOTE]

How does killing Klingons not better society?!

Ok... first impression of this game:

- This game CHUGS. Even on the lowest of settings, I can barely move around or do anything when I'm on the ground. This is despite my specs being more than adequate to run the game. In short, Cryptic lied about the specs again (or didn't bother to fix the fucking Engine when they decided to use the Champion's Engine).
- Space Combat/Exploration is a bit slow, especially considering you do most of it at the small scale of Space. They need to speed up ships a bit and make it more fast paced. The controls are a bit awkward too.
- Creating your character is fun, and it does allow you to make custom races. You even get parts for some of the enemy races, which is fun.
- I guess everyone get's their own ship right out of the gate? I understand the reason for this, but it kind of cheapens the experience when everyone you know is a Captain.
- Why can't I choose to hook up with a friend and join the crew on their ship, allowing my abilities to enhance the ship? Sure, it's a passive play style, but it could be fun with the right mini-games. Besides, not everyone wants to control the damn ship.

download should be done, i'll look forward to see this game in action tonight

AshburnerX said:

Ok... first impression of this game:

- This game CHUGS. Even on the lowest of settings, I can barely move around or do anything when I'm on the ground. This is despite my specs being more than adequate to run the game. In short, Cryptic lied about the specs again (or didn't bother to fix the fucking Engine when they decided to use the Champion's Engine).
- Space Combat/Exploration is a bit slow, especially considering you do most of it at the small scale of Space. They need to speed up ships a bit and make it more fast paced. The controls are a bit awkward too.
- Creating your character is fun, and it does allow you to make custom races. You even get parts for some of the enemy races, which is fun.
- I guess everyone get's their own ship right out of the gate? I understand the reason for this, but it kind of cheapens the experience when everyone you know is a Captain.
- Why can't I choose to hook up with a friend and join the crew on their ship, allowing my abilities to enhance the ship? Sure, it's a passive play style, but it could be fun with the right mini-games. Besides, not everyone wants to control the damn ship.

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- I was surprised the game runs so WELL. My laptop is below specs for CO/STO. And while CO ran, it ran pretty poorly for me, 10fps or below with all settings on low. STO? Knock on wood, works well. Granted I play with settings on low, I'm getting 20-30 FPS depending upon what is going on in game. Which is easily playable.

- Space combat does take some getting used to. I do love how I need to rotate and/or redistribute power to shields as needed, thats pretty cool. I do agree it could use speeding up, some.

- You kind of get your ship but you aren't a Captain. Notice you start out as an Ensign with a single Pip for rank, and "level up" progressing in Rank? Sure you control the ship for space but on the ground you are still Rank X in the Away Party

- This, I do agree with you on. When STO started, by Perpetual Entertainment in 2004, this WAS how STO was going to be played, each ship was like an instance, and you could choose which path to progress, Command, Security, Science, etc, so if you went Command, eventually you could become Captain or Admiral and command a ship, which you could have a certain amount of players who were crew, on your ship. Sadly, Cryptic didnt choose to go with that.


So far I'm loving STO, its a little different, and while I'd like not to see the holy trinity in ship form, its still enough Star Trek in it to satisfy in my inner Trekkie

Dave, if you still want a key, let me know, I'll see what I can do, I've gotten a few people keys already. Least I can do for all you've done for HF

How far did you get? Once I landed on Vega, it's a crawl and impossible to play.

Not sure, I'm like a lvl 3 Lieutenant, doing this mission chain where you have to visit 4 planets in the Vulcan system, one of the submissions is escorting a frieghter to a minining colony, then you auto party with 3 or 4 other real players and have to take down a small battle group of Orion Raiders which was pretty sweet. I didnt get to finish that one, I had to go to work but its like the third or fourth big mission/quest after the starting zone.

See, that's the thing: I'm stuck in the starting zone because I can't fucking move. I've taken everything down as low as I can... and yet I have higher than minimum specs. I may need to revert to an older driver or something.

I can't find a beta key anywhere.

Nor can I. Bastards.

Damn and I wanted to be in since the closed beta

downloading.............

In some ways, it's pretty awesome. In others ways, a little weird. The server lag however is nuts though. Currently unplayable.

Yea I'm tapped for keys, several people have asked, plus I gave a few out at work, my source for keys is out at the moment.

Its a little laggy at times mainly cause they haven't opened up all the instances yet so all the thousands and thousands of people are piling into whats available

I'll have more time to play it on Friday night. Hopefully it'll be more stable then. Some of the thing I saw were very cool... the part where you had to group and attack a Borg cube was the shizniz.... "We are the Borg"

This game may suck up my life for..a long time once its released. I mean if I like stop posting on the forum its cause I'm most likely hip deep in some space sector engaged in combat

Its like a drug addict taking their first hit.. you know you'll never stop after that

first hit was free (close beta) they get you on subsequent hits (i.e. live)

www.tentonhammer.com is where i got mine and then gave it to AshburnerX. I will look for more when I can and let you guys know if there are any left.

Mav said:

This game may suck up my life for..a long time once its released. I mean if I like stop posting on the forum its cause I'm most likely hip deep in some space sector engaged in combat

Its like a drug addict taking their first hit.. you know you'll never stop after that

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That's pretty much my sentiment when Dragonball Online gets a state-side release.

Here try this http://www.startrekonline.com/openbeta

Shegokigo;328810][QUOTE=Mav said:

This game may suck up my life for..a long time once its released. I mean if I like stop posting on the forum its cause I'm most likely hip deep in some space sector engaged in combat

Its like a drug addict taking their first hit.. you know you'll never stop after that

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That's pretty much my sentiment when Dragonball Online gets a state-side release.[/QUOTE]

Let me know how it is... and hopefully the Japanese/Korean players won't be jack asses like they were when FFXI was released Stateside. They'd buy out everything in the shops, dry hunt low level areas, and basically decided American's weren't welcome in "their" game.

I'm pretty sure there will be US side servers.

i had heard they were making a DB/DBZ mmorpg. I'd love that too.. I'd go crazy gaijin otaku on it, my favorite anime next to Akira. Got tons of the original manga in original japanese, some of the rare items like the #7 daizenshou, almost the entire first series of DBZ action figures released in america, etc

Oh well guess I will get the game then since I wasn't able to get a beta.

I still think it would have been cool similar along the lines of Bridge Commander. Where you get to wander around the ship and choose a class from their.

In MMo's that I've tried I'm usually a support type class.

it is not too bad I can move very well and ship combat is not to shabby. Since I don't have any idea what I am doing (well more or less) I kinda pick skills that I wanted and not "min/max" my character I decide to go tactical and get officers to fill in the void

So they don't penalize you much if you loose your ship and part of your crew?

So far there appears to be no death penalty. Maybe its not there for beta but theres not much to lose.

In FPS combat, if you die your party keeps fighting, and you can try to have one of them revive you, if possible. In ship combat, if your shields fail and you can't mitigate damage to the hull before it hits 0%, your ship explodes and you die. You are simply presented with a Respawn option after 20 seconds, where you spawn back in a pre-determined spawn point for whatever Sector you are in, with full shields and full hull health.

hopefully theres some death penalty at launch.. its a bit TOO easy at the moment. thats not a bad thing but a little challenge would be nice

Mav said:

So far there appears to be no death penalty. Maybe its not there for beta but theres not much to lose.

In FPS combat, if you die your party keeps fighting, and you can try to have one of them revive you, if possible. In ship combat, if your shields fail and you can't mitigate damage to the hull before it hits 0%, your ship explodes and you die. You are simply presented with a Respawn option after 20 seconds, where you spawn back in a pre-determined spawn point for whatever Sector you are in, with full shields and full hull health.

hopefully theres some death penalty at launch.. its a bit TOO easy at the moment. thats not a bad thing but a little challenge would be nice

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hmm.. maybe with EVE style of insurance of your ship if not, you are stuck with basic equipment.

You know, everyone keeps asking for harsher death penalties in MMOs, and I agree. However, I think after a few deaths, thousands of consumers are going to clamor for the old, easy way.

fade said:

You know, everyone keeps asking for harsher death penalties in MMOs, and I agree. However, I think after a few deaths, thousands of consumers are going to clamor for the old, easy way.

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I think it has to do with people actually knowing how to play the game and winning vs just zerg it until it dies (no death penalties) and just respawn over and over until you win. If there are penalties then people will work better together rather than having part of the member with "zerg zerg zerg" vs, "lets do this one right the first time"

fade said:

You know, everyone keeps asking for harsher death penalties in MMOs, and I agree. However, I think after a few deaths, thousands of consumers are going to clamor for the old, easy way.

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I know I got tired of transcontinental corpse runs in EQ. Not to mention hitting level 54 calling out to the guild "Ding! 54!" Then get killed right away, "Ding! 53!" Then you are stuck in a sector that you are too low lvl to survive, Ding 52!

Penalties suck, especially when a game is broke-ass like EQ. Most MMO's are pretty broken when they launch.

For 240 bucks upfront, you too can play as the Borg.

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3177621


You know what's lame? That.

Frankie said:

For 240 bucks upfront, you too can play as the Borg.

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3177621


You know what's lame? That.

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I don't think you should be able to play as a Borg. Cause, they are a hive mind. Playing a Borg kinda breaks the whole story line.

liberated borg. There's precedence in canon

Ok.... so I reformatted my D: drive again, hoping the slowdown was on my end. Apparently it's not something I can fix on my end, as doing this only marginally helped. I'm probably going to check the lag situation every so often, but right now I am just sick and tired of Cryptic doing this with EVERY game they release.

AshburnerX said:

Ok.... so I reformatted my D: drive again, hoping the slowdown was on my end. Apparently it's not something I can fix on my end, as doing this only marginally helped. I'm probably going to check the lag situation every so often, but right now I am just sick and tired of Cryptic doing this with EVERY game they release.

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where are you again? I'm in Texas and not getting lag at all. My screen doesn't stutter and I have on 1680x1080

Ohio, on broadband. It seems to be tied to how many people are in the same area as I am... and oddly enough, I can actually turn the graphics to max out in space and be lag free, but the moment I hit the ground, it's like I'm moving in molasses. Turning the settings to minimum doesn't do anything.

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Ohio, on broadband. It seems to be tied to how many people are in the same area as I am... and oddly enough, I can actually turn the graphics to max out in space and be lag free, but the moment I hit the ground, it's like I'm moving in molasses. Turning the settings to minimum doesn't do anything.

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I think there was an option (I remember seeing it flash) that you can "choose" your instance when on land, that is something you might want to look into. See if you can choose your instance instead of automatic. that might help.

Tried it. It doesn't work because even with 10-20 people, I'm still looking at around 20-60 characters running around because of the Away teams. Add in the spawns and NPCs and it's a nightmare.

This is just like Spectral Tigers in WoW:

How do you spot the most pathetic loser on your server? He's the one with the Borg chars.

Shegokigo said:

This is just like Spectral Tigers in WoW:

How do you spot the most pathetic loser on your server? He's the one with the Borg chars.

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Well, the people with spectral tigers might have simply won them in a pack of cards rather than purchase the single card from ebay or some other place.

Has anyone pre ordered the collector's edition of this yet? It looks like a pretty good packaged deal.
I'm stuck between this and ME2 for the PC currently.

Mav;329460][QUOTE=Shegokigo said:

This is just like Spectral Tigers in WoW:

How do you spot the most pathetic loser on your server? He's the one with the Borg chars.

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Well, the people with spectral tigers might have simply won them in a pack of cards rather than purchase the single card from ebay or some other place.[/QUOTE]

They're still spending money for ingame "show-off-ness". Whether it was $400 for the card or super uber lucky man spent $3.00 on a pack and go it. I'm willing to bet 98/100x it was the former.

I'd be honest, I spent 40$ to buy a case of those cards... and I found a copy. I ebayed that shit the next day... for 750$ American (close to 900$ canadian) for a trading card!
I sold the rest for 10$ too.. i thought the card game sucked anyways

That Borg class has solid perks though.

If STO sticks around, and you continue to play that's a damn good deal. It's not just paying money for a special class, it'll save you money in the long run.

There are alot of perks to signing up with an MMO from day 1 and sticking with it for a couple years.

Just sayin, it's a bit different than paying a bunch of cash for a mount. You get a lifetime membership.

You're right, after 2yrs it pays off. Tell that to all the people who tried selling their "lifetime memberships" of Conan, Champions Online and LOTRO.

Like I said, if STO sticks around and you keep playing it it would be worth it. It's a big if, and I wouldn't buy into it, but I've been playing WoW for over 2 years so it's not unheard of.

I'll probably buy the Collectors Edition, the bonus in-box goodies are worth it but I wouldnt do lifetime, I mean another MMO could always come along or something. Its monetarily a good deal if you plan on playing for two years at least, cause you end up saving money versus paying monthly, its just a rather large investment that a lot of people can't do prior to Feb 2nd. Now if I had a month, a full month to get my bills out of the way and save up some, I'd consider it but with just a couple weeks left, theres no time on my budget to fit it in, though I can afford the CE.

It definitely needs a little spit and polish, and I know a good chunk of the content isn't there in the OTB, I mean the level cap is 16, thats like not even half (I cant remember if true cap is 40 or 60), plus Genesis hasn't been launched yet by Starfleet. They've got the foundation for a good game, they just need to strongly build on it, they're good about fixing bugs quickly, correcting gameplay mechanics or adding ones that should be there, is something we (the STO community) hope they will do.

I don't see myself playing WoW again, at least not for a while. Its just too much grinding.. I had to grind a shit ton of emblems to get a decent PvE gear setup, so i could grind out the stuff I needed for PvP. Well I got about half of my pvp gear with emblems but since certain pieces aren't available I'd have to fill in those gaps with honor points gear which is decent but takes forever to get on my server and battlegroup (fucking horde man.. love being outnumbered 4:1..). Which sucks cause I really wanted to get into 5v5 arena..

Got my beta key, so expect some pretty negative shit from me in the next couple of days (I'm calling it now)

Looks like my computer's borked, not STO. Just tried TF2 and it too was slowed to a crawl. I think it might be my HD giving out. I'm going to format the entire thing and see if it helps... if it doesn't, then I'm replacing the thing with one I have laying around. If THAT doesn't fix it, then it's ether my motherboard or video card... and if it's those, then I'm fucked as I don't have the cash to buy a new one of ether.

SeriousJay said:

I'd be honest, I spent 40$ to buy a case of those cards... and I found a copy. I ebayed that shit the next day... for 750$ American (close to 900$ canadian) for a trading card!
I sold the rest for 10$ too.. i thought the card game sucked anyways

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Wow... that is awesome. Just pure luck there.

AshburnerX said:

Looks like my computer's borked, not STO. Just tried TF2 and it too was slowed to a crawl. I think it might be my HD giving out. I'm going to format the entire thing and see if it helps... if it doesn't, then I'm replacing the thing with one I have laying around. If THAT doesn't fix it, then it's ether my motherboard or video card... and if it's those, then I'm fucked as I don't have the cash to buy a new one of ether.

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You've formatted it so many times though, I wonder if that's had any negative impact.

I've actually only formatted it twice this year: Once In November when Steam had the error and messed up everything and now. Before that, I hadn't had to do it for 2-3 years... so it's not like I'm doing it all the time. However, I've been using this HD for something like 5 years and it was second hand, so who knows how old it actually is.

Gentlemen, we have subscription rates:

http://kotaku.com/5449430/the-cost-of-playing-star-trek-online

OK, 15 dollars a month. Same as WoW. Kinda suspicious about the lifetime subscription thing though. "If you pay us this crap load of money, you can play this game forever, two extra character slots get a special character! But remember: this offer only lasts UNTIL THE GAME IS RELEASED!"

Don't you get the feeling this sounds like a scam? I can totally see the game being a flop, and the people with the special characters being mocked endlessly by the ones whose subscriptions have not ran out until they are left alone waiting for the server shutdown.

First impressions are not....positive.

Game is clunky as fuck.

Psyclone said:

Gentlemen, we have subscription rates:

http://kotaku.com/5449430/the-cost-of-playing-star-trek-online

OK, 15 dollars a month. Same as WoW. Kinda suspicious about the lifetime subscription thing though. \"If you pay us this crap load of money, you can play this game forever, two extra character slots get a special character! But remember: this offer only lasts UNTIL THE GAME IS RELEASED!\"

Don't you get the feeling this sounds like a scam? I can totally see the game being a flop, and the people with the special characters being mocked endlessly by the ones whose subscriptions have not ran out until they are left alone waiting for the server shutdown.

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A lot of MMOs are doing that. Lifetime subscription until release. It's not exactly a scam, but you are gambling on whether you'll like the game. This is easy money for the developers in case their MMO dies earlier than expected.

However, if the game takes off (like LOTRO) those lifetime subscriptions are well worth the money. Especially when the dev's throw extra things in after launch... LOTRO founders got free, early mounts during the first Winter Festival. This is as broken as it sounds.

My character is a fat Andorian named Guts Gutsmander. He's the last of his class in starfleet who only graduated because of his one skill, seducing old, desperate women. So, he boned his way through every vice admiral in starfleet.

I kind of hope you can focus on space combat more than the terrible ground stuff. I like the space combat. Reminds me of a simplified old school bridge simulator game.

Definitely feels like a few months off from being a solid MMORPG. I'll play it some more during the beta, i see they patch it regularly, not too sure if I want to buy it at its current state.

The fact they want a lifetime subscription only available in pre-lease is criminal for fans of the ST universe who want to play a potentially stable and fun game in the future.

Haven't been able to log in once today. This does not bolster my confidence in this MMO being ready in 2 weeks.

Frankie said:

Haven't been able to log in once today. This does not bolster my confidence in this MMO being ready in 2 weeks.

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No MMO is ready on release day, nor for a good couple of months after release.

Frankie said:

Haven't been able to log in once today. This does not bolster my confidence in this MMO being ready in 2 weeks.

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Seriously?

Read the forums, the devs said the server(s) hit full capacity, thats why you cant log in sometimes, cause its full.

Shit if I recall right, WoW had massive queues to log into a server at one point, so lets not be hasty.

At least they had queues. It wasn't just, "Server is busy. Fuck off." every time I tried to log in. A queue would have given me a time frame of when I would get to play.

Also, ground combat is still terrible as hell.

Space combat is fun.

I really shouldn't buy this game...

Covar said:

I really shouldn't buy this game...

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Hell, I'll buy you the game, just post pictures of that secret santa gift lmao.. (kidding)

Space combat is fun as hell. Ground combat... is pretty lackluster. Login servers are inefficient. I found many bugs and the controls are odd. I found myself setting up like it used to play for WoW. lol

I finally get to log in some more today. I am level 5 now woo. The space combat IS a lot of fun. I join in Station 24 which is a HUGE combat area with a bunch of ships. It was awesome.

Man, this game really has me torn. If this were a purely space based MMO, where i got to go around whooping ass with Star Trek surroundings (please do not point me to Eve, I do not want to play a game that plays itself while you're away and takes literally weeks to travel across), I would be on this shit day one with a smile on my face.....but then, I am brought back crashing down to harsh reality when I am forced into one of those terrible ground missions.

Sigh.

I played a few decent ones.... it's just that they feel clunky as fuck. This worries me as a lot of work needs to be done to make it not suck.

And holy crap do they need to work on some of the glaring horrific bugs.

I've had to do the same mission like 4 times because I will complete the damn quest. Leave the fucking system and it won't register in the quest itself. Then I gotta do it again. This is ridiculous. I don't want to fight 3 Negh'vars and 4 Kting'gas with only 5 dinky Mirandas again. That's just smashing up against the wall over and over till we clog their instruments with our wreckage and finally win.

Frankie said:

That's just smashing up against the wall over and over till we clog their instruments with our wreckage and finally win.

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Approves of your battle style and wishes to learn more.

I was actually hoping to post the video of him saying, "WAVE AFTER WAVE!" but couldn't find it on Youtube.

Also, battle for Starbase 24. Awesome. My away team refusing to beam aboard the starbase with me, no fucking awesome at all.

This game is a disgrace.

Straight up. It's going to be the buggiest, most terrible launch for a game in history.

Cryptic should be ashamed of it's current state.

Frankie said:

This game is a disgrace.

Straight up. It's going to be the buggiest, most terrible launch for a game in history.

Cryptic should be ashamed of it's current state.

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Jack Emmertt only cares about his "vision", not your petty complaints. Which is why the only good game he's ever been part of was City of Heroes AND why he left in a hissy fit when everyone wanted to fix it.

Frankie, PM me your inchar name. Asti chialeu

Sent it to you.

God damn it, now my away team doesn't even show up. I can't do away missions anymore. It's getting really, really aggrivating. They expect people to pay money for this game in a week?

Nice, I get that fucking away mission crash bug and when I go to log back in..."Server is busy. Fuck off."

Fuck this game. I'm glad I got a beta key, now I know not to have anything to do with this horseshit, ever.

You strike me as the "ragequit" type of L4D games. I honestly gave you more credit than that Frankie.

Shegokigo said:

You strike me as the "ragequit" type of L4D games. I honestly gave you more credit than that Frankie.

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I've played a lot of betas for MMOs over the years. This one is by far...by far...BY FAR the most buggy, unfinished, unpolished, half-assed pile of mediocre crap I've ever seen. I'm not mad, I'm relieved I'm not like a couple of my friends that pre-ordered this crap. I might give it a shot 6 months to a year down the line when it might not be complete shit, but until then, fuck this game. Cryptic should never have tried to make so many MMOs at once. It shows. Champions sucked ass and so does this.

For the record, I have never ragequit a L4D match. My regular group and I have a blast in there, even when we get worked by an excellent team. I do, however, have little tolerance for things that don't work. This game doesn't work. It's not going to work for a long time.

Well obviously you're not going to rage with a "regular group".

Oh and that horrid white backround on your avatar has been driving me nuts:



There.

Normally, I'd respond with, "Awww, muffin."

But there you go.

Well, maybe Cryptic will make me eat my words. They have done a remarkable job of fixing many of the server side issues already. The game is far more playable today than it was yesterday. Now, I'm a-fearin' that there isn't much more to see content wise. The battle at Starbase 24 was super fun and so far, it's the only one like it I've seen and I'm on the cusp of getting the next level of ship (Lieutenant Commander 1).


Ha ha, I run my off and login server crashes and stays down for 45 minutes.

This after I was at the very end of grinding through a mission where I have to take on 8 squads of klingons.

Sigh.

yea they are fixing stuff but they are also not really doing much else..

like, the entire game is instanced, i thought maybe towards in game there would be less of that.. there is not.. its alllllllllll instanced

the maximum number of people you will ever play with is 50, so far..

So? In that way the game stays playable.

Huh oh well guess I'll cross this one off my list then

Frankie said:

So? In that way the game stays playable.

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Yea but it could be so much more.. I hate it when they cram all the content of a mmo in instances and its not a persistent world..

Mav;331031][QUOTE=Frankie said:

So? In that way the game stays playable.

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Yea but it could be so much more.. I hate it when they cram all the content of a mmo in instances and its not a persistent world..[/QUOTE]

Instances give better performance. I'd rather have a game that runs well than one that has lots of people running around, doing nothing.

If your away team doesn't show up, use the following method
1. type /fillpetteamlist - this SHOULD beam down your pre-set away team

2. beam out, then choose CONTINUE quest and you will have your away team. DO NOT hit F to enter sector, that will reset the quest.

AshburnerX;331173][QUOTE=Mav;331031][QUOTE=Frankie said:

So? In that way the game stays playable.

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Yea but it could be so much more.. I hate it when they cram all the content of a mmo in instances and its not a persistent world..[/QUOTE]

Instances give better performance. I'd rather have a game that runs well than one that has lots of people running around, doing nothing.[/QUOTE]

It's not always about performance though.

Look at the hundreds of MMO's that have existed, some successful some not, that had a single persistent world. Hell, WoW its the chief one of this. It has some instances but the majority of it is one big world. Sure, Dalaran is a lag fest for the average player's PC, but it works. their servers handle it fine, my ping in Dal is around 100-120, which is acceptable.

Cryptic will, at least at first, rake in tons of cash from STO just because it's Trek, I think they can afford dedicated servers. I expect heavy instancing like this from something like, Guild Wars, where the world is not persistent, and of course there is NO monthly fee since there are no X amount of servers to upkeep..

Mav;331242][QUOTE=AshburnerX;331173][QUOTE=Mav;331031][QUOTE=Frankie said:

So? In that way the game stays playable.

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Yea but it could be so much more.. I hate it when they cram all the content of a mmo in instances and its not a persistent world..[/QUOTE]

Instances give better performance. I'd rather have a game that runs well than one that has lots of people running around, doing nothing.[/QUOTE]

It's not always about performance though.

Look at the hundreds of MMO's that have existed, some successful some not, that had a single persistent world. Hell, WoW its the chief one of this. It has some instances but the majority of it is one big world. Sure, Dalaran is a lag fest for the average player's PC, but it works. their servers handle it fine, my ping in Dal is around 100-120, which is acceptable.

Cryptic will, at least at first, rake in tons of cash from STO just because it's Trek, I think they can afford dedicated servers. I expect heavy instancing like this from something like, Guild Wars, where the world is not persistent, and of course there is NO monthly fee since there are no X amount of servers to upkeep..[/QUOTE]

but you can talk with people in different "instance" of the same location. It is better for people who have older PC (which happen)

Mav said:

Look at the hundreds of MMO's that have existed, some successful some not, that had a single persistent world. Hell, WoW its the chief one of this. It has some instances but the majority of it is one big world. Sure, Dalaran is a lag fest for the average player's PC, but it works. their servers handle it fine, my ping in Dal is around 100-120, which is acceptable.

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Blizz has also said the reason the whole zone beneath Dalaran has almost zero quests is because it's such a resource hog. They originally wanted the Argent Tournament there, but moved it because of Dalaran.

Got my cruiser. Man, it nice being able to wade into a battlegroup of frigates with weapons set to max and just obliterate them in a storm of quantum torpedos. Wooo!

Frankie said:

Got my cruiser. Man, it nice being able to wade into a battlegroup of frigates with weapons set to max and just obliterate them in a storm of quantum torpedos. Wooo!

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booo.. I am still working to get upto Lt. commander so I can upgrade my ship

Played about 2 hours last night. Sometimes the lag was unbearable... other times... nothing. It's weird to see so much lag in an instance of 3 people.

Do you have a certain amount of quantum torpedoes though? In Legacy you only were allowed a certain allotment.

Is the Akira a picable cruiser?

Maybe eventually. Basically you start out as a light cruiser for the first ten levels. It's a Miranda and 2 other similar ships. When you pick your next ship, you either pick an escort (which you get various defiant esque ships I've never heard of) science vessel (the nova and various alike ships) or a cruiser (constitution and various alike ships). You can mix and match all the parts of any of your selected class of ship for a look that you like.

New patch is sweet. Game runs much better, the away mission graphics got a huge, huge boost. The UI was improved vastly, and they added Leonard Nimoy narration to the game to explain the story thus far. Big improvement.

Did they use any other voices from the Star Trek actors?

Zachary Quinto does the voice of the EMH during the tutorial.

Man, you know what. I dunno what they did to the enemy Ai, but combat is now ridiculously easy. Before you could walk into a fight and if you weren't careful, easily get overwhelmed. I don't even have to monitor my shield strength anymore. I can wade into a battlegroup of battleships during a fleet action and walk out the victor.

Frankie said:

Zachary Quinto does the voice of the EMH during the tutorial.

Man, you know what. I dunno what they did to the enemy Ai, but combat is now ridiculously easy. Before you could walk into a fight and if you weren't careful, easily get overwhelmed. I don't even have to monitor my shield strength anymore. I can wade into a battlegroup of battleships during a fleet action and walk out the victor.

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wow really?? I know that some mission I have to be careful or I will get cream when fighting 3 to 1 (at 0 and +1) That is pretty awesome cause I have to maneuver and keep my shield up and use asteroid to help I gotta check them out when I get home tonight.

Finally got the game running properly. It's alright, but it's nothing amazing.

Well yeah, it's a beta.

It might just be because of how low in level I am. Don't have a lot of options in combat right now.

How "amazing" was any MMO in the first 1/5th of it's levels?

Shegokigo said:

How "amazing" was any MMO in the first 1/5th of it's levels?

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Shego has a point so far I'm working in 1 sector of space (Sol Sector mainly) Cryptic just open Cardassian space. That is a lot more places to go. I think this is kinda like simplified EVE with levels!
I like it so far.

Shegokigo said:

How "amazing" was any MMO in the first 1/5th of it's levels?

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City of Heroes had me grabbed at the character creation screen. But yeah, I'm going to give this more time.

Yeah, till you actually got into the game and into the first 1/5th of it's levels. CoH lost me in the training area before I was bored, but I thought "this is just the beginning, the rest of the game can't be like this, it has to get 'epic' at some point". For once, I was wrong. CoH showed me everything it had to offer in the first 1/5th of it.

Yea they had to scale back AI difficulty, getting two shotted by a Klingon K't'inga that was 3 or 4 levels below you was a bit overpowered.. It's still challenging it's just the AI is now scaled a little more appropriately.

I put in my pre order at Gamestop for the CE, can't wait for headstart to begin on the 29th

Guess Spoony didn't like it either

http://spoonyexperiment.com/2010/01/21/vlog-1-22-10/

Though his complaints are fully explained by the fact he didn't even get past the beta or the first 1/5th of the game. Sad that most people write a game off so quickly.

I have to agree with him on one major point: This does NOT feel like Star Trek. I'm neither exploring new worlds nor discovering new civilizations... all I'm doing is killing fucking pirates and Klingons. When do I get to explore lost ruins? When do I get to see exotic astrometric phenomena? WHEN DO I GET TO MAKE LOVE TO MY ORION SLAVE GIRLS?!

However, I never had the same problems he's had with the difficulty unless I'm getting ganged up on by 6-7 ships at once. Quite the opposite, I'm killing shit left and right with my dinky Miranda class ship. I think they messed with the diff or something.

Have you played at least half of the entire game yet Ash? If not, I don't see how you could say it doesn't have those things.

Shegokigo said:

Have you played at least half of the entire game yet Ash? If not, I don't see how you could say it doesn't have those things.

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That doesn't stop it from being poorly paced. Your supposed to be pulling in people with the early levels, not pushing them away. The stuff I'm doing at this point in the game should be at least mildly interesting... killing Klingons is not why I joined Star Fleet!

Honestly Shego... your pushing awfully hard for this game to be good, for someone who isn't playing it. Are you hoping this will be the "MMO Chewing Gum" you've been looking for lately?

EDIT: And I too think this login bullshit is lame. You could at least put me in a line or something if the servers are full.

No, I just have issues with people who rail on an MMO before they've even gotten a decent % into the game, moreso when it's still in BETA.

It might be poorly paced, it might be a terrible game, granted. But saying it doesn't have something when so early on the game just doesn't sit well.

(For the record, I'm by no means a Trek fan, and have zero intentions of every playing this MMO)

Mav said:

Yea they had to scale back AI difficulty, getting two shotted by a Klingon K't'inga that was 3 or 4 levels below you was a bit overpowered.. It's still challenging it's just the AI is now scaled a little more appropriately.

I put in my pre order at Gamestop for the CE, can't wait for headstart to begin on the 29th

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Normally I wouldn't mock people but man, if you were getting taken out by a K'Tinga, you really need to learn to flank.

I liked the difficulty before. I could take on a Negh'Var with my Miranda but it was total cat and mouse working my ass off to stay at it's side to avoid it's fucking alpha strike of small ship destruction if you got in front of or behind it. Now I don't have to worry. I took out a group of 4 even level Negh'Vars by myself during a fleet action and barely had to do anything other than rebalance my shields a few times and use my emergency power to shields once or twice. I came out of it with 80% hull integrity. That shouldn't be possible.

Hell, there's a mission where it tells you to hide and sneak up to a planet using a nebula and there's Birds of Prey everywhere. I decided to find out what happens if I got detected. Like 9 Birds of Prey decloaked around the one I attacked. They weren't even a challenge. They made it waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay to easy.

Well, my toon in Beta has been pure Tactical.. So while I can hit like a truck with phasers and torepedos, my shield and hull strength is minimal with no way to really heal myself.

And yea in fights, I do flank. I rotate like a mad man, trying to balance shields and keep my strongest side against the enemy. Its just with no damage mitigation as pure Tactical (keep in mind I'm like, lvl 9 atm..) I'm currently a glass canon. So attempting to solo a K'T'inga can be hard.

Shegokigo said:

Guess Spoony didn't like it either

http://spoonyexperiment.com/2010/01/21/vlog-1-22-10/

Though his complaints are fully explained by the fact he didn't even get past the beta or the first 1/5th of the game. Sad that most people write a game off so quickly.

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Yeah, it seems like all he did were a few sector patrols. He complains about it being about nothing but combat. There's entirely diplomatic missions thrown into those random sector missions. Escort a transport as it repairs some satellites (not exciting, but seemingly realistic thing for a starfleet ship to do in the Star Trek universe).

He also didn't know how to set the game to solo mode. You just need to turn off auto-invites and the game sets the missions to single player mode. I've solo'd the entire game so far and I'm LC4 now (with some exceptions, like the amazing, amazing fleet action missions and the few I did with my buddy).

Best mission ever.

Around what level is that? All I'm getting are patrols.

LC 4 or 5

So... 14? 15?

AshburnerX said:

Around what level is that? All I'm getting are patrols.

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I'm level 6 so only LT right now, but I do get away missions and such. Check your communicator and see what missions are available. Lots of chain mission usually have some away missing.

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So... 14? 15?

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Yeah, I just think using the rank-level is more fun. Because I am a nerd. Also, every time I hear Spock, I glee a bit.

I dunno, I'm thinking I'll wait another few months and see how full launch goes. Champions didn't really grab me, though I can see it getting much better with a little more time and development to tweak.

Cryptic seems to have a tendency to release much earlier than they should because they can fix it post-release in patches.

Frankie said:

Best mission ever.

Spoiler

I have to go to the past, rescue the enterprise from the Klingon dude that went through the portal before and stop him from altering the future. Good shit here guys, this is how a quest chain is done.

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OMG That is awesome!

And just when I thought the original series fan wankery could not get any radder:



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Here's a little more of the last mission to show how fucking cool it is.

I have a feeling there are a lot of stuff that might not show on Beta. Heck, there is still a whole Borg class out there (which will be limited to those lifer accounts for now) the Klingon is finally open to people. It will be interesting to see all the release content

No no... people get a Liberated Borg Officer and Liberated Borg as a race when they become lifers. It's not another side like the Klingons.

AshburnerX said:

No no... people get a Liberated Borg Officer and Liberated Borg as a race when they become lifers. It's not another side like the Klingons.

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how does that work? aren't we fighting the liberated borg? (It seems like it since the tutorial said they were "different")

Picard is basically a liberated Borg too...

So I fought my first Romulan Warbird today. It's insane heavy plasma torpedo assault, coupled with the recent buff to enemy difficulty, kicked the holy fuck out of me. Hardest fight yet. It didn't help that it was battleship class 2 levels higher than me. It was also huge. I always forget that warbirds are supposed to be twice as large as a galaxy class ship. Awesome fight.

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Just got hit with this nice new bug where an enemy boarding party causes all your weapons to require a 20 minute cooldown in order to be fired again. Super fun.

I finally hit level 11 and got my new ship, Light Escort. Its a huge step up from the default Miranda class.. It can turn pretty damn swift, I get two tactical boff slots, 4 weapon slots, etc. pretty damn awesome, think of the Defiant and thats what its similar to. Still trying to find a good loadout of weapons, it came with a set of Phaser "cannons", and i just loaded my Mark II phasers I had before but the canons range/arc (I think arc is range) is small for not much more damage.

Definitely liked Tactical so far, but I may mess around with Engineering, headstart begins on the 29th, wanna get a solid build going

Engineering is pretty nice if you get a kit that lets you build a Shield Generator AND do something else (build mines/phaser turret/whatever). The mines are nice against Klingons and the like who rush you, while the Turret does alright damage but mainly serves as a distraction. Don't know much about them for space... I only JUST got my third Lt. ability and haven't got a chance to test it out yet.

Chibibar;332599][QUOTE=AshburnerX said:

No no... people get a Liberated Borg Officer and Liberated Borg as a race when they become lifers. It's not another side like the Klingons.

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how does that work? aren't we fighting the liberated borg? (It seems like it since the tutorial said they were "different")[/QUOTE]

Think of it this way, the liberated borg that Lifers get is like 7of9, the liberated borg you are fighting are like Lore's gang of borg.

Do these ships have that auto laser turrent defense that was in the latest star trek movie or is this only from the next generation firing mode?

Yeah, you can get Phaser Turrets (if that's that's what your talking about.) They have a 360 degree arc firing range, so they can hit anything within 10km of your shipt, but the damage is the worst of all weapons. However, I use them on my rear array to allow me to use my rear array even if I'm not broadsiding someone. It seems to work well for me, as I can basically destroy any ship in about 30-60 seconds.

Is anyone else playing at retail? I didnt do Lifetime but I did pre order the CE. If some other Halforumites are serious about playing the game, we could look into making our own Fleet (guild) once the game launches

I'm not getting in on the ground floor. There's too many other games in my pile (Bayonetta, Mass Effect 2 etc) before I even wanna think about going hardcore into an MMO.

So, I ground for like 2 hours this morning to get to Commander. I was literally one more scan from finishing off an exploration quest which would have put me over the top when I "LOST CONNECTION" to game server. Now, I can log in to my account, see my characters, but can't log in to the game.

Sigh.

Hyper sigh.

I might try this game after hearing some reviews/finishing ME2/finishing TNG. We'll see. I might need my fix.

Got my cruiser yesterday. It honestly seems like this game is geared toward ether being an Escort and being tied to teams forever or being a Cruiser/Science Vessel and being able to solo EVERYTHING on your own. I hope the roles become less defined later on or they make being a DPS more viable in solo play.

I am going life cause I do enjoy the beta I play. I can see playing this for a year or two at least (which even out after 16 months with life) and I don't have to pay anymore. I usually play a game for a year or two at least (MMO) the shortest I ever play MMO was champions.

AshburnerX said:

Got my cruiser yesterday. It honestly seems like this game is geared toward ether being an Escort and being tied to teams forever or being a Cruiser/Science Vessel and being able to solo EVERYTHING on your own. I hope the roles become less defined later on or they make being a DPS more viable in solo play.

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My cruiser is built entirely around being nigh invincible. Both of my engineering slots have emergency power to shields. I've been able to wade through everything and come out the victor without barely taking a scratch. The Klingons I've fought in PVP can't handle me without more than one ship because my cruiser is a total juggernaut.

I think it requires thinking defensively over offensively. Like I said, I've solo'd everything thus far.

Also, yes, currently escorts are supremely overpowered especially considering all rewards in the fleet actions are based on damage done. I can sit there and tank 3 Negh'Vars and a fucking fleet of escorts and 2 escorts can do their job and I will get nothing. All the ship drops will go to them and the end mission rewards will go to them. Totally broken.

AshburnerX said:

Got my cruiser yesterday. It honestly seems like this game is geared toward ether being an Escort and being tied to teams forever or being a Cruiser/Science Vessel and being able to solo EVERYTHING on your own. I hope the roles become less defined later on or they make being a DPS more viable in solo play.

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You can solo some stuff on your own as DPS. You simply mix and match. Instead of going Tactical/Tactical (toon/ship) you go like Tactical/Engineering or Tactical/Science. Plus your skills and ship loadout plays a role too. And trust me, the PvE scales up as you do. I mean you can solo but the game is built more around Fleets or at the very least, parties.

Don't forget they only took the level cap off for the open beta the other day and the vast majority of us won't get to see end game stuff before beta ends. Come on Ash, you know you wanna play at retail

holy fucking shit



There's a quest for the Portal..

You fight off half a dozen squads of Klingons, then you talk to it, and it sounds just like the voice actor from the show. It continues the quest, and you get transported 200 years back in time to save the Enterprise! You hail the ship and it's fucking Leonard Nimoy as Spock that answers in voice over! nerdgasm..

omg I can't wait for the game to start on the 29th, go go headstart from pre order!

Mav said:

holy fucking shit

There's a quest for the Portal..

You fight off half a dozen squads of Klingons, then you talk to it, and it sounds just like the voice actor from the show. It continues the quest, and you get transported 200 years back in time to save the Enterprise! You hail the ship and it's fucking Leonard Nimoy as Spock that answers in voice over! nerdgasm..

omg I can't wait for the game to start on the 29th, go go headstart from pre order!

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Not only did I already post this a page or so ago, I also spoilered it for people. Way to go chief.

What is the setting of the game? Post TNG or the Relaunch?

sixpackshaker said:

What is the setting of the game? Post TNG or the Relaunch?

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Post-TNG, and post-Nero, if that makes sense, so Romulus has gone kablooie. The relaunch is a parallel universe.

It's kind of like the Zelda Universe: The timeline splits after a certain point, and the two timelines run concurrently of one another.

So is a wartime? In the shows, the Federation ships are so lightly armed in order to foster an image of peaceful exploration, right?

It is like the quote at the end of the intro to the MOO2 Star Trek Game. "..Federation Ships are not designed to start wars, but to end them..."

So, it basically takes place in the future of the rebooted universe?

Bowielee said:

So, it basically takes place in the future of the rebooted universe?

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It takes place in regular Star Trek timeline some time after Romulus is wiped out by the supernova.

Frankie;333730][QUOTE=Bowielee said:

So, it basically takes place in the future of the rebooted universe?

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It takes place in regular Star Trek timeline some time after Romulus is wiped out by the supernova.[/QUOTE]

Ah, gotcha!

Bowielee said:

So, it basically takes place in the future of the rebooted universe?

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Nope. Future of the original, after the events that led to the rebooted universe's creation.

There is indeed a war on - the Klingon Empire has started getting antsy again, among other things. Regarding Feddie ships, there are three types. Cruisers like the various Enterprises (so, standard expolration-y Federation vessels), 'science ships' like the Voyager, and dedicated warships like the Defiant, called 'escorts', which are much smaller and not so good at the whole science/exploration business.

Are they going to go up to the Battleship size vessels like Galaxy and Sovereign classes?

sixpackshaker said:

Are they going to go up to the Battleship size vessels like Galaxy and Sovereign classes?

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Those are advanced tiers of 'cruiser' - tiers three and four of five, respectively. The ground-level cruiser is an updated 25th-century Constitution.

Huh. A trip through Memory Alpha (almost as dangerous as TVTropes) just told me that the in-universe origin of the Bird of Prey was stolen Federation ship designs. In fact, there was planned (and later cut) dialogue to that effect in the original Balance of Terror episode.

The game goes ahead and blames the romulans fucking around with subspace weapons for the reason that the supernova hit them in hours rather than in centuries. Ha ha, new movie apologists.

fade said:

Huh. A trip through Memory Alpha (almost as dangerous as TVTropes) just told me that the in-universe origin of the Bird of Prey was stolen Federation ship designs. In fact, there was planned (and later cut) dialogue to that effect in the original Balance of Terror episode.

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So, they stole the plans of the NX-1... lol. That is why they looked so much alike.

So are folks much more approving of the current build?

TeKeo said:

So are folks much more approving of the current build?

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I like it a lot. I think it has potential, but not sure of the "long term" (in terms of what it will be 3-4 years from now heck even 2 years from now. I'm hoping to last at LEAST 16 months to make my money's worth heheh)

I mean lore wise, Atari did the right thing and start with "open" story. So it won't mess with any of the histories and we have our own universe (unlike SWG which they wrote themselves into a corner more or less)

Yeah, there really seems like a total dearth of overall content.

It seems like it might take 2-4 weeks tops to do everything there is to do.

I'll check it out. Still miffed about not getting in the beta though. It's Star Trek

Beta ends tonight and I've already lost all desire to play. I was pushing through the levels to get my next ship, but now that I know I won't be able to get another, I just can't find the energy to play anymore.

Next hope : SW:KOTOR.

Plz don't suck like this MMO!

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So is a wartime? In the shows, the Federation ships are so lightly armed in order to foster an image of peaceful exploration, right?

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Yes and no. During times of non-war, most Federation ships are built for science, exploration, medical transport, etc. Until DS9 got the Defiant and Voyager's introduction of the Intrepid class, there weren't really any "war" ships, or ships designed to go into combat specifically. Even when Voyager was ending, the Federation was still cranking out war ships, i.e. the Prometheus class. There was no major war going on in the TNG timeline so all the ship we saw were peaceful ships, whom just had the default load of X phaser banks and Y torpedo tubes.

Oh and sry for the spoilers, didnt realize Frankie posted that earlier.

Beta ends at 6pm PST / 9pm EST

Massive end of beta event is a huge Klingon attack force gunning for the Sol System, this should be awesome

There's an old saying, fortune favors the bold. I guess we're about to find out.

AshburnerX said:

Beta ends tonight and I've already lost all desire to play. I was pushing through the levels to get my next ship, but now that I know I won't be able to get another, I just can't find the energy to play anymore.

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Is there an endgame?

TeKeo;334377][QUOTE=AshburnerX said:

Beta ends tonight and I've already lost all desire to play. I was pushing through the levels to get my next ship, but now that I know I won't be able to get another, I just can't find the energy to play anymore.

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Is there an endgame?[/QUOTE]

Maybe, but I think most of it was still locked. I'm almost certain you couldn't enter Borg space yet. Regardless, I just kinda got sick of it. It's fun for awhile but it just didn't click with me.

Can you achieve the rank of an Admiral or is Captain the highest available ranking?

yes, you can level up to Admiral, its currently the highest level, which caps out at 45 I believe, future expansions to increase that are planned.

Honestly Seeing the way Cryptic has been handling CO, I'd be wary of giving them any money. If the double dipping in CO isn't bad enough (having a monthly fee AND a cash shop!) they've recently announced that they'll be charging players for an "expansion" that in any other MMO would be a free content update (1 new zone basically). In comparison, in one month past launch LOTRO also gave its player's a massive zone added to the game too, except you know, for free. Really Cryptic, how greedy can you get?

Will these poor business practices carry over to STO... time will tell I suppose.

Also whats the deal with MMOs calling any old content updates "expansions" these days anyways? Who do they think they're fooling?

So, basically, they did a 180 from what they were doing with CoH, where almost every content release was free.

Oddbot said:

Honestly Seeing the way Cryptic has been handling CO, I'd be wary of giving them any money. If the double dipping in CO isn't bad enough (having a monthly fee AND a cash shop!) they've recently announced that they'll be charging players for an "expansion" that in any other MMO would be a free content update (1 new zone basically). In comparison, in one month past launch LOTRO also gave its player's a massive zone added to the game too, except you know, for free. Really Cryptic, how greedy can you get?

Will these poor business practices carry over to STO... time will tell I suppose.

Also whats the deal with MMOs calling any old content updates "expansions" these days anyways? Who do they think they're fooling?

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Everquest was pretty bad about charging for content updates too. There were what, like 12 expansions? It's not a new thing.

Ok, it picks up a bit, but I'd still only pick it up if you were a hardcore Star Trek fan.

SeraRelm said:

Ok, it picks up a bit, but I'd still only pick it up if you were a hardcore Star Trek fan.

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I think that might be the case. I actually love it. I did try a little PvP last night (Federation vs Klingons) it was pretty awesome. I did the ground arena fight and space "control" resources. It was pretty cool.

Anyone else see the lovely irony behind a Star Trek MMO?

Chazwozel said:

Anyone else see the lovely irony behind a Star Trek MMO?

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umm.. no?

Chibibar;336710][QUOTE=Chazwozel said:

Anyone else see the lovely irony behind a Star Trek MMO?

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umm.. no?[/QUOTE]


The whole purpose and overall theme of Star Trek is the bettering of mankind through exploration, knowledge, and self worth. Those traits are the exact opposite of what an MMO promotes. You're not boldly going where no man has gone before, you're sitting your fat ass down in front of a computer screen for hours at a time.

Chazwozel;336711][QUOTE=Chibibar;336710][QUOTE=Chazwozel said:

Anyone else see the lovely irony behind a Star Trek MMO?

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umm.. no?[/QUOTE]


The whole purpose and overall theme of Star Trek is the bettering of mankind through exploration, knowledge, and self worth. Those traits are the exact opposite of what an MMO promotes. You're not boldly going where no man has gone before, you're sitting your fat ass down in front of a computer screen for hours at a time.[/QUOTE]

Ahh. oh you mean real life vs gaming ok... yea it is funny. I thought you meant within STO universe.

Well looks like STO is going the same money grubbing route as CO...

mmorpg.com said:

MMORPG.com: Star Trek Online will require a subscription fee to play, but also gives players access to the Cryptic Store. What items are offered in the store and how does it affect gameplay?

STO Team:It's fairly limited right now. It will include the Ferengi and Klingon races to be playable for the Federation side at launch. We want to get an idea of what players want before adding much more. But we're sticking to the notion that if it affects gameplay, there will be ways of attaining whatever is available in the store in-game.

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Paying to play certain races. Real classy Cryptic. Way to nickel and dime your players for all they're worth.

Imagine the backlash if Blizzard said one day "Well, you can play humans, gnomes, dwarves, draeni, tauren, trolls, orcs, and undead, but if you want to play a night elf or blood elf give us moar monies plz!" And people freaked out over an in-game pet...

Oddbot said:

Well looks like STO is going the same money grubbing route as CO...

mmorpg.com said:

MMORPG.com: Star Trek Online will require a subscription fee to play, but also gives players access to the Cryptic Store. What items are offered in the store and how does it affect gameplay?

STO Team:It's fairly limited right now. It will include the Ferengi and Klingon races to be playable for the Federation side at launch. We want to get an idea of what players want before adding much more. But we're sticking to the notion that if it affects gameplay, there will be ways of attaining whatever is available in the store in-game.

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Paying to play certain races. Real classy Cryptic. Way to nickel and dime your players for all they're worth.

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Yea. I'm kinda half and half on this (getting the races) but it seems that the U.S. is trying to MicroPayment + monthly instead of doing what Asia MMO are popular with which is free to play and micro.

I mean at least DDO (player classes and race) are purchasable BUT the game itself is free. A lot more stuff is becoming free which is kinda nice (instances and such even high level stuff) but doing both.... that is just greedy.

Bowielee said:

So, basically, they did a 180 from what they were doing with CoH, where almost every content release was free.

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Actually City of Villains initially was a charged update UNTIL JACK LEFT, but it is now free, Going Rogue which is expected sometime this year is going to be charged as well, but I doubt it will stay that way.

Once Jack leaves STO for the Duke Nukem MMO (trapping him there forever) you'll prolly see a more competitive pricing policy.

Chazwozel;336711][QUOTE=Chibibar;336710][QUOTE=Chazwozel said:

Anyone else see the lovely irony behind a Star Trek MMO?

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umm.. no?[/QUOTE]


The whole purpose and overall theme of Star Trek is the bettering of mankind through exploration, knowledge, and self worth. Those traits are the exact opposite of what an MMO promotes. You're not boldly going where no man has gone before, you're sitting your fat ass down in front of a computer screen for hours at a time.[/QUOTE]

I thought you were gonna make some kind of holodeck/holoaddiction comment, but I guess that would more appropriately fit the irony of playing the Matrix Online.

Chibibar;336832][QUOTE=Oddbot said:

Well looks like STO is going the same money grubbing route as CO...

mmorpg.com said:

MMORPG.com: Star Trek Online will require a subscription fee to play, but also gives players access to the Cryptic Store. What items are offered in the store and how does it affect gameplay?

STO Team:It's fairly limited right now. It will include the Ferengi and Klingon races to be playable for the Federation side at launch. We want to get an idea of what players want before adding much more. But we're sticking to the notion that if it affects gameplay, there will be ways of attaining whatever is available in the store in-game.

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Paying to play certain races. Real classy Cryptic. Way to nickel and dime your players for all they're worth.

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Yea. I'm kinda half and half on this (getting the races) but it seems that the U.S. is trying to MicroPayment + monthly instead of doing what Asia MMO are popular with which is free to play and micro.

I mean at least DDO (player classes and race) are purchasable BUT the game itself is free. A lot more stuff is becoming free which is kinda nice (instances and such even high level stuff) but doing both.... that is just greedy.[/QUOTE]

Cash shops are fine in a F2P game. Of course the company has to make money somehow, but this double-dipping of subscription fees plus cash shop is what I just can't stand and Cryptic seems to be the main culprit doing this. I mean, for some premium services it doesn't bother me to pay extra on top of a sub, like name/server/faction changes, but buying access to new races... come on.

Oddbot;336840][QUOTE=Chibibar;336832][QUOTE=Oddbot said:

Well looks like STO is going the same money grubbing route as CO...

mmorpg.com said:

MMORPG.com: Star Trek Online will require a subscription fee to play, but also gives players access to the Cryptic Store. What items are offered in the store and how does it affect gameplay?

STO Team:It's fairly limited right now. It will include the Ferengi and Klingon races to be playable for the Federation side at launch. We want to get an idea of what players want before adding much more. But we're sticking to the notion that if it affects gameplay, there will be ways of attaining whatever is available in the store in-game.

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Cash shops are fine in a F2P game, I mean the company has to make money somehow, but this double-dipping of subscription fees plus cash shop is what I just can't stand and Cryptic seems to be the main culprit doing this. I mean, for some premium services it doesn't bother me, like name/server/faction changes, but buying access to new races... come on.

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I agree. Of course I guess Cryptic could have bundle it to say a full expansion (more space and TWO new playable race) for 49.95$ instead of less than 4.5$ (500 cryptic points for 6.25$)

Sub + cash shop does seem a little much compared to what you get for it.

I don't think the concept is a bad one (after all, a price is only too high until a sufficiently large audience is proven to be willing to pay for it), but they definitely seem to be offering less bang-for-buck than most of their competitors at this point.

That's actually the best CAD strip I've seen in years.

yeah, he's been getting better lately with his art, and his one-shot clips tend to amuse me.
I tried reading CAD a year ago, and got bored with the bland artwork and lame humor. All the anti-CAD stuff on the forums made me go look at it again every time it was mentioned, and over the last few months, I've seen some real improvement in his stuff.

Gusto said:

That's actually the best CAD strip I've seen in years.

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Notice how it's not a force 4 panel progression. The comic fits. He's larnin'.

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Gusto;336835][QUOTE=Chazwozel;336711][QUOTE=Chibibar;336710][QUOTE=Chazwozel said:

Anyone else see the lovely irony behind a Star Trek MMO?

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umm.. no?[/QUOTE]


The whole purpose and overall theme of Star Trek is the bettering of mankind through exploration, knowledge, and self worth. Those traits are the exact opposite of what an MMO promotes. You're not boldly going where no man has gone before, you're sitting your fat ass down in front of a computer screen for hours at a time.[/QUOTE]

I thought you were gonna make some kind of holodeck/holoaddiction comment, but I guess that would more appropriately fit the irony of playing the Matrix Online.[/QUOTE]

Any true fan of the Matrix philosophy would have stayed clear of that game.

Matrix Online was not as good as I hoped It was kinda fun and animation was pretty but.... it lacked something I can't put my finger on.

Chibibar said:

Matrix Online was not as good as I hoped It was kinda fun and animation was pretty but.... it lacked something I can't put my finger on.

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It contradicted everything the protagonists in the films were fighting for?

Chazwozel;337193][QUOTE=Chibibar said:

Matrix Online was not as good as I hoped It was kinda fun and animation was pretty but.... it lacked something I can't put my finger on.

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It contradicted everything the protagonists in the films were fighting for?[/QUOTE]

that might be it. I was in close and open beta and didn't go live (like most MMO) cause it just..... blah..

Chibibar said:

Matrix Online was not as good as I hoped It was kinda fun and animation was pretty but.... it lacked something I can't put my finger on.

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Did it feel a little... draining?

So for those of you who own it. How is it compared to the beta? Were your stats reset when you transitioned over to the 'finished' game?
I've heard a lot of people complaining how lame ass the tutorial is. I still want to get the game, but seeing as how there isn't a 14 day free trial yet; I don't know.

And with regards to CAD I've found him to be getting better. His daily sillies are better than his main comic though with the humor aspect. The Star Trek comic
was indeed funny.

BlackCat said:

So for those of you who own it. How is it compared to the beta? Were your stats reset when you transitioned over to the 'finished' game?
I've heard a lot of people complaining how lame ass the tutorial is. I still want to get the game, but seeing as how there isn't a 14 day free trial yet; I don't know.

And with regards to CAD I've found him to be getting better. His daily sillies are better than his main comic though with the humor aspect. The Star Trek comic
was indeed funny.

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We had a 4 day head start and get to keep that (started on Jan 29th) I like it. I don't think the tutorial is "lame" ass. It is informative to get people going and help them start on their way. Sure for us Beta players, we already did it, so I guess they are hoping we can skip it.

note: if you have a Del Taco in your area, they are doing a promotion with free time for STO.http://www.facebook.com/deltaco?v=app_10339498918

Like any mmo that goes from open beta to live, the world is reset. All characters deleted. You had to reroll from level 1.

So far I'm liking it. I'm in an active Fleet of about 30+ people daily across various timezones and countries, we pvp and have fun.

I'm hoping they add a death penalty and more purpose/reward to pvp but aside from that, I love it.

Here is recently promoted Lt. Commander David Nevarez and his new Tier 2 ship, the U.S.S. Mixcoatl:

They do anything to improve the survivability of Escorts?

Escorts are plenty survivable if you know what skills to use. Rank up a Engineer boff, get Emergency Power to Shields & Engineering Team, get a Med boff for Science Team, and keep an Attack Pattern up constantly. Pop shield bats as whenever you can as needed, rotate shields as needed and balance shield power, should keep you alive long enough for a Crusier to take aggro and/or a Science Ship to dish out the heals.

So, what's the word now this thing's live?

Mav said:

Escorts are plenty survivable if you know what skills to use. Rank up a Engineer boff, get Emergency Power to Shields & Engineering Team, get a Med boff for Science Team, and keep an Attack Pattern up constantly.

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I'm fairly certain Escorts only have one engineering station. You can't have two Engineering powers, unless one of those comes from being an Engineering officer yourself.

AshburnerX;342212][QUOTE=Mav said:

Escorts are plenty survivable if you know what skills to use. Rank up a Engineer boff, get Emergency Power to Shields & Engineering Team, get a Med boff for Science Team, and keep an Attack Pattern up constantly.

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I'm fairly certain Escorts only have one engineering station. You can't have two Engineering powers, unless one of those comes from being an Engineering officer yourself.[/QUOTE]
Yea. the escort ship comes with two tactical slots (lt and ensign)

Cruiser has two engineering consoles (lt and ensign)

I'm thinking of actually taking the plunge and trying this out.

Something I was wondering, as you level, do you lose your previous ships? Or are you able to maintain a stable of ships over time (sort of like in EvE, or like having multiple toons in WoW)?

TeKeo said:

I'm thinking of actually taking the plunge and trying this out.

Something I was wondering, as you level, do you lose your previous ships? Or are you able to maintain a stable of ships over time (sort of like in EvE, or like having multiple toons in WoW)?

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You keep your ships. You can amass as big a fleet as your credits can afford.

Apparently there is some sort of patch coming out that lets you explore the rest of your ship?
http://www.cad-comic.com/cad/

Frankie;342455][QUOTE=TeKeo said:

I'm thinking of actually taking the plunge and trying this out.

Something I was wondering, as you level, do you lose your previous ships? Or are you able to maintain a stable of ships over time (sort of like in EvE, or like having multiple toons in WoW)?

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You keep your ships. You can amass as big a fleet as your credits can afford.[/QUOTE]

Do players spec into a ship class (and then have difficulty using ships of a different class)?

TeKeo;342463][QUOTE=Frankie;342455][QUOTE=TeKeo said:

I'm thinking of actually taking the plunge and trying this out.

Something I was wondering, as you level, do you lose your previous ships? Or are you able to maintain a stable of ships over time (sort of like in EvE, or like having multiple toons in WoW)?

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You keep your ships. You can amass as big a fleet as your credits can afford.[/QUOTE]

Do players spec into a ship class (and then have difficulty using ships of a different class)?[/QUOTE]

Yeah, you can spec specifically into any of the ships.

When you are LT. you put skill points into general ship, once you hit LT. commander, you can add more points to specific ship (i.e. skills) So as a player you can fly anything.