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Stargate [STRIKE]Voyager[/STRIKE] Universe
#1
@Li3n
@Li3n
So, anyone see it? It wasn't bad per se, but it didn't feel very stargate-y to me. Too much Lost+BSG stuff going on...
and the pushing the button thing was so damn retarded... they could have at least held off finding the flying camera things after that part... this way the non-fatal solution was way too obvious.
#2
Hylian
Hylian
I didn't get a chance to watch it sadly. But I am wanting to but I am curious if I need to have watched the previous Stargates in order to understand this one? I ask cause I sadly have to admit I never watched any of the Stargates before. I am also curious if the episodes are available anywhere online. (I haven't looked yet cause I am at work) I ask because right now I am at staying at my parents and I don't really get much choice on what is on the TV so it would be nice if it was available online to watch.
#3
Cuyval Dar
Atlantis, on the other hand, sucked Jaffa through and through.
Cuyval Dar
I loved Voyager as well. I always take shit for this, but I preferred it to DS9.Didn't see it yet, but my dad did, he said it was great. I didn't really watch Atlantis, just an episode here or there, didn't quite get into it. Hoping Universe will be different.
Oh, and I love Voyager, so using that as an argument against this series isn't going to work.
And just because it has a similar premise "Oh noes, we're trapped x lightyears from home!" doesn't mean it is exactly like it. If I were to quit watching shows because it shares a similarity with other shows I would've quit watching decades ago.
Atlantis, on the other hand, sucked Jaffa through and through.
#4
Hylian
I liked Voyager as well (although I admit it had many flaws) but I completely disagree that it was better than DS9. Now I know everyone is entitled to their own opinion. For example in my opinion DS9 was the best Star Trek series ever. And I also Think "In the Pale Moonlight" was my favorite Star Trek episode ever. But I am curious as to why you prefer Voyager over DS9. Did you like the characters better? Was it the basic plot line? Or was it 7 of 9?
Hylian
:3:I loved Voyager as well. I always take shit for this, but I preferred it to DS9.
I liked Voyager as well (although I admit it had many flaws) but I completely disagree that it was better than DS9. Now I know everyone is entitled to their own opinion. For example in my opinion DS9 was the best Star Trek series ever. And I also Think "In the Pale Moonlight" was my favorite Star Trek episode ever. But I am curious as to why you prefer Voyager over DS9. Did you like the characters better? Was it the basic plot line? Or was it 7 of 9?
#5
klew
klew
Plus, it has the gamer guy making the cute girl laugh.
#6
Hylian
Hylian
I think that TNG, DS9, and Voyager all had extremely boring first 2 seasons. For TNG they tried to hard to emulate ToS. For DS9 they where trying to find their place and figure out what they wanted to do. For Voyager they had a problem of a lack of good villains. I mean come on the Kazon's? They were laughable. The Vidiian's didn't have what it took. Now the villains where definitely better than TNG's attempt at making the Ferengi a villain. But still Voyager did get a lot better when they introduced the Borg (even though they kinda over saturated the Borgs presence and thereby making them less of a threat) I think if Voyager had done more stories like the "Year of Hell" it would have been a much better show.
#7
Covar
As far as I know it is perfectly watchable without any previous knowledge about the preceding shows. There's a stargate.. star gate.. really, you're up to speed now. ^^[/QUOTE]
pretty much this. Although by all means watch the previous stuff too. SG1 is a great show, and Atlantis was a good spinoff once they regained communication/contact with earth. One of my favorite things about the Stargate series over a lot of other sci-fi shows, was the lack of amnesia from episode to episode.
got about halfway through the premiere yesterday before going to hang with friends. I'll finish it Tuesday probably, and really enjoyed it so far. It's almost a completely different show than SG1 and Atlantis, and it's a little to early to say if that is a good or bad thing. I have a few questions/concerns, that I will post once I finish watching the premiere.
Covar
You seriously want to watch 15 seasons of 26x45 minute episodes before watching this? See you in 5 years.I didn't get a chance to watch it sadly. But I am wanting to but I am curious if I need to have watched the previous Stargates in order to understand this one? I ask cause I sadly have to admit I never watched any of the Stargates before. I am also curious if the episodes are available anywhere online. (I haven't looked yet cause I am at work) I ask because right now I am at staying at my parents and I don't really get much choice on what is on the TV so it would be nice if it was available online to watch.
As far as I know it is perfectly watchable without any previous knowledge about the preceding shows. There's a stargate.. star gate.. really, you're up to speed now. ^^[/QUOTE]
pretty much this. Although by all means watch the previous stuff too. SG1 is a great show, and Atlantis was a good spinoff once they regained communication/contact with earth. One of my favorite things about the Stargate series over a lot of other sci-fi shows, was the lack of amnesia from episode to episode.
got about halfway through the premiere yesterday before going to hang with friends. I'll finish it Tuesday probably, and really enjoyed it so far. It's almost a completely different show than SG1 and Atlantis, and it's a little to early to say if that is a good or bad thing. I have a few questions/concerns, that I will post once I finish watching the premiere.
#8
figmentPez
figmentPez
Maybe it was the mood I was in, or things will change once things calm down, but I didn't like SG:U because I didn't connect to any of the characters. They all felt like jerks, idiots or both.
#9
@Li3n
Relax, i was just using it as a joke, coz that's what i've seen it called month ago by SG fans. As i mentioned in the OP, it's more BSG-y...
And right now the pilot was good enough for me to give it a chance, even if i can't say i enjoyed it a lot (the cameo's did make me giggle like a schoolgirl, the show was never the same after McGuyver left).
@Li3n
My cunning plan, foiled!Oh, and I love Voyager, so using that as an argument against this series isn't going to work.
Relax, i was just using it as a joke, coz that's what i've seen it called month ago by SG fans. As i mentioned in the OP, it's more BSG-y...
And right now the pilot was good enough for me to give it a chance, even if i can't say i enjoyed it a lot (the cameo's did make me giggle like a schoolgirl, the show was never the same after McGuyver left).
It started off interesting, but then the Wraith underwent massive villain decay. But at least McCay was watchable...Atlantis, on the other hand, sucked Jaffa through and through.
#10
Kovac
Their their emotional and dramatic problem seemed a little contrived when the solution could have been a
It was sitting their BEGGING to do the job.
Kovac
Indeed.and the pushing the button thing was so damn retarded... they could have at least held off finding the flying camera things after that part... this way the non-fatal solution was way too obvious.
Their their emotional and dramatic problem seemed a little contrived when the solution could have been a
big stick, or as you mentioned, the radio controlled ball that could have easily done the job.
It was sitting their BEGGING to do the job.
#11
@Li3n
@Li3n
Oh man, they so dodged a bullet with episode 3... at the end i was on the edge of my seat all prepared to scream at the screen if they didn't use the obvious, in canon solution... but then they did and everything was forgiven... i'll give them a full season just because of that (of course as i can't watch it on TV i guess that won't matter to them)
#12
Kovac
Kovac
Episode 3 was pretty good imo.
I think that this show might actually be able to keep my interest where Atlantis failed to, for the most part just because they have managed to create something new.
SGA was good in many respects, but it felt like it was just covering the same ground trod by Stargate only not quite as well.
I think that this show might actually be able to keep my interest where Atlantis failed to, for the most part just because they have managed to create something new.
SGA was good in many respects, but it felt like it was just covering the same ground trod by Stargate only not quite as well.
#13
Dusty668
Dusty668
Hulu has all of SG1 in the sci-fi/Syfy edits so none of the Showtime series nekkidness.
It may have Stargate Atlantis, dunno, couldn't stand that branch.
I watched Universe, seems ok so far, a little over acted but not bad at all.
It may have Stargate Atlantis, dunno, couldn't stand that branch.
I watched Universe, seems ok so far, a little over acted but not bad at all.
#14
@Li3n
@Li3n
I was disappointed when they downgraded the Wraith from a specie that could take on the Ancients to a Goa'uld level threat...SGA was good in many respects, but it felt like it was just covering the same ground trod by Stargate only not quite as well.
#15
figmentPez
I just couldn't get past the incredibly small amount of sand they needed to somehow make air for the entire ship. I know "ancient technology"... but I still don't get it.
I also loved SG:Atlantis. The Wraith sucked, the replicators sucked worse, but I loved the characters. I thought that the people on Atlantis were much better developed than those on SG-1, despite having mostly lamer enemies (I've got to admit a certain fondness for the Genii, even if they popped up too often). Rodney, Ronon, Sheppard, Dr. Beckett, Dr. Keller, Dr. Brown, Dr. Weir, Zelenka, Rodney's sister Jeannie, etc. They had a much larger number of characters I liked, and used them better than SG-1 did.
So far I don't like anyone on SG:Universe. I'll give it a chance since everyone on the ship is cranky and under stress, and I've been distracted myself, but I'm not giving much hope for my liking the series better than SG:A.
figmentPez
Okay, call me clueless, but I have no idea what you're talking about. What in cannon solution?Oh man, they so dodged a bullet with episode 3... at the end i was on the edge of my seat all prepared to scream at the screen if they didn't use the obvious, in canon solution... but then they did and everything was forgiven... i'll give them a full season just because of that (of course as i can't watch it on TV i guess that won't matter to them)
I just couldn't get past the incredibly small amount of sand they needed to somehow make air for the entire ship. I know "ancient technology"... but I still don't get it.
I also loved SG:Atlantis. The Wraith sucked, the replicators sucked worse, but I loved the characters. I thought that the people on Atlantis were much better developed than those on SG-1, despite having mostly lamer enemies (I've got to admit a certain fondness for the Genii, even if they popped up too often). Rodney, Ronon, Sheppard, Dr. Beckett, Dr. Keller, Dr. Brown, Dr. Weir, Zelenka, Rodney's sister Jeannie, etc. They had a much larger number of characters I liked, and used them better than SG-1 did.
So far I don't like anyone on SG:Universe. I'll give it a chance since everyone on the ship is cranky and under stress, and I've been distracted myself, but I'm not giving much hope for my liking the series better than SG:A.
#16
Dusty668
Dusty668
The canon solution was to have someone stick their arm in the gate to delay the ship from closing the gate and jumping.
Granted they've been busy but no one seems to have even noticed the two missing members that opened the gate to the "Locked out Addresses".
Granted they've been busy but no one seems to have even noticed the two missing members that opened the gate to the "Locked out Addresses".
#17
@Li3n
@Li3n
See above!Okay, call me clueless, but I have no idea what you're talking about. What in cannon solution?
They just needed it to clean the dirty air filters or something... (they mixed it with water and put it in like 3 co2 scrubber things).I just couldn't get past the incredibly small amount of sand they needed to somehow make air for the entire ship. I know "ancient technology"... but I still don't get it.
Yup, the characters where interesting enough to carry the show, but i disagree that SG1 had worse characters... certainly not for the first 5 seasons anyway, when they started killing them off in droves... though i guess they where used less.I also loved SG:Atlantis. The Wraith sucked, the replicators sucked worse, but I loved the characters. I thought that the people on Atlantis were much better developed than those on SG-1, despite having mostly lamer enemies (I've got to admit a certain fondness for the Genii, even if they popped up too often). Rodney, Ronon, Sheppard, Dr. Beckett, Dr. Keller, Dr. Brown, Dr. Weir, Zelenka, Rodney's sister Jeannie, etc. They had a much larger number of characters I liked, and used them better than SG-1 did.
#18
Jake
Jake
I like the show so far. I didn't care for the other SG series at all, so I don't know any background between the movie and now. Doesn't look like a hindrance, though. Earth has been mucking with stargates for a while, so we have some allies and enemies and picked up some spaceships somewhere. I doubt any of that matters much a billion light years away, though. I appreciate the fact that they painted this new series with the gritty BSG brush and will definitely keep watching.
#19
@Li3n
@Li3n
Yes, there's nothing like copying a another series feel and calling that edgy... (ok, i wouldn't be that bad if it didn't feel forced a bit... the conflicts are interesting, but they need to stop trying so hard and make it seem more natural)
#20
Cuyval Dar
Also, to address their last point, I do not appreciate the Battlestar-ing of this series. Stargate is successful because it doesn't go for this melodramatic crap. When they went for real,character-developing drama (Think the arc with O'Neill's dead son) it really enhanced your understanding of the characters.
Cuyval Dar
They built their own starships (X-303 Prometheus-class) from scratch, based on Goa'uld and Asgard technology.I like the show so far. I didn't care for the other SG series at all, so I don't know any background between the movie and now. Doesn't look like a hindrance, though. Earth has been mucking with stargates for a while, so we have some allies and enemies and picked up some spaceships somewhere. I doubt any of that matters much a billion light years away, though. I appreciate the fact that they painted this new series with the gritty BSG brush and will definitely keep watching.
Also, to address their last point, I do not appreciate the Battlestar-ing of this series. Stargate is successful because it doesn't go for this melodramatic crap. When they went for real,character-developing drama (Think the arc with O'Neill's dead son) it really enhanced your understanding of the characters.
#21
Dusty668
Dusty668
SGU 3rd episode. Hm, Series is still not clicking with me.
It seems like a good show otherwise, so I ain't hating it, but um, if I had something better to do I would certainly be doing it.
I don't like that dual chain of command crap that Captain Young & Colonel Telford are in. This is completely against military protocol. If anyone would be using the stones it would be a commo tech/enlisted so that the two officers could speak directly. You don't pull the commander out of site, even with magic zap tech, he makes a report, it gets sent. The Colonel could come to the site of command because his post is not mission critical. Not to mention popping into the body of someone wounded suddenly, although it shows Young's tough factor, would not be a good idea.
The Colonel giving commands to the subordinates, no, no, no, just frakking no. You do not jump chain of command up or down in a small unit like this.
The Colonel giving commands to the subordinates, no, no, no, just frakking no. You do not jump chain of command up or down in a small unit like this.
It seems like a good show otherwise, so I ain't hating it, but um, if I had something better to do I would certainly be doing it.
#22
@Li3n
@Li3n
4th episode... the premiere was 2 eps i think.
#23
fade
fade
I disliked Voyager for exactly this reason. When writers do that sort of thing, it's always to the detriment of male/white/whatever characters. It's possible to be a strong female character without being light years better than everyone else. As a dude, I'm always left with the feeling of "I solved it with my vagina!" You know what was really guilty of this? World War Z. The interviewer interviewed a perfect rainbow of survivors, and it was always their gender/sex/race/handicap that helped them out of the zombie fix.For me it was the Grrl Power aspect of the show.
DS9 is great too, but it was hella boring for the first 3 or so seasons. Save a few episodes/arcs. It wasn't until Sisko shaved his head and grew a goatee (and some balls) that it started to be awesome.
#24
Alucard
Alucard
Just got done watching the first episode on hulu man i love hulu its better than t.v. so far its pretty interesting and a bit interesting than stargate atlantis was.
So is Universe after the events of the defeat of the last season of stargate and the finishing of atlantis?
Some of the music and camera stuff reminded me a bit of battlestar galactica
So is Universe after the events of the defeat of the last season of stargate and the finishing of atlantis?
Some of the music and camera stuff reminded me a bit of battlestar galactica
#25
@Li3n
@Li3n
By the looks of it it certainly after the Ori thing, but it doesn't seem to be after the Atlantis came to earth, unless they're ignoring the fact that they have a ship that can travel between galaxies on earth already...
#26
figmentPez
figmentPez
This is a galaxy that's far away even by Ancient standards. So far that they sent ships ahead, on automatic, to prepare the way so they could gate in later, and then ascended before actually doing so. It doesn't matter if Earth has ships that can go to Pegasus, the crew of SG:U is much further away.By the looks of it it certainly after the Ori thing, but it doesn't seem to be after the Atlantis came to earth, unless they're ignoring the fact that they have a ship that can travel between galaxies on earth already...
#27
Dusty668
Dusty668
Huh, if it's so far out that even the Ancients have not got there yet, who put in the gates?
#28
figmentPez
figmentPez
The automated ships the Ancients sent ahead thousands of years ago. The ships were sent out to prepare the galaxy for the Ancients to travel to. The ships put in the gate system.Huh, if it's so far out that even the Ancients have not got there yet, who put in the gates?
#29
@Li3n
And of course they have no idea what galaxy they're in either, but someone should have mentioned how they had Atlantis as a possibility for rescue...
@Li3n
I meant the city of Atlantis itself... as i recall it got to Earth from Pegasus pretty fast.It doesn't matter if Earth has ships that can go to Pegasus, the crew of SG:U is much further away.
And of course they have no idea what galaxy they're in either, but someone should have mentioned how they had Atlantis as a possibility for rescue...
#30
Dusty668
Even if they can't think of a way to do that, which the Ori could do with the super gates, that would mean their "first wave" delivered gates more than all the time it has been since ascension just to get from the shipyard to their first gate seeding point.
"Here's your new foundry truck Mr. Ancient, all ready to drop off them gates you guys are so wild about!
Hey, nice, um where are the wheels?
They fell off in the nebula about 6 quasars back.
Uh huh, and didn't the model I looked at have doors?
Meteor swarm while recharging the battery in galaxy Lk5217AJ, dangdest stroke of bad luck ever did see, ceptin that crack in the windshield done by a nascent civilizations first attempt at spaceflight. Oh, they sent you a bill about that too..."
Dusty668
So they sent this ship on the same route they sent another ship previously? That makes no sense. Why not gate the new ships to "The end of the line" of a previous ship? How does it make sense to fly a ship into debility covering galaxies that have already been covered?The automated ships the Ancients sent ahead thousands of years ago. The ships were sent out to prepare the galaxy for the Ancients to travel to. The ships put in the gate system.
Even if they can't think of a way to do that, which the Ori could do with the super gates, that would mean their "first wave" delivered gates more than all the time it has been since ascension just to get from the shipyard to their first gate seeding point.
"Here's your new foundry truck Mr. Ancient, all ready to drop off them gates you guys are so wild about!
Hey, nice, um where are the wheels?
They fell off in the nebula about 6 quasars back.
Uh huh, and didn't the model I looked at have doors?
Meteor swarm while recharging the battery in galaxy Lk5217AJ, dangdest stroke of bad luck ever did see, ceptin that crack in the windshield done by a nascent civilizations first attempt at spaceflight. Oh, they sent you a bill about that too..."
#31
@Li3n
@Li3n
The Destiny wasn't a seeder ship apparently, but a check up one, with the Ancients planning to gate to it and check up on the Stargate networks at a later date (which is why there's only 1 9th chevron address instead of more for each ship). Teh they Ascended and didn't care any more... Neglectful Predecessors indeed.
And the Ori could have used some knowledge they got while ascended for the supergates...
And the Ori could have used some knowledge they got while ascended for the supergates...
#32
figmentPez
Also, I know the replicators have been a huge problem, but why doesn't Ancient technology seem to use any other sorts of robotics?
The Stargate Wiki says that the crew has speculated that the Destiny came under attack at some point, and that's what caused all the damage to the ship. I don't remember that, but I haven't been able to focus on TV very well lately.
As for a supergate, it could be the power requirements were too high. A supergate from the Ori galaxy to the Milky Way required significantly more power than a normal stargate to bridge the same distance. While the power requirements from Earth to the Destiny weren't as high as that, it could be that even the Ancients would rather not power a supergate over that distance. They didn't have unlimited power capabilities, or they wouldn't have researched the power technology Rodney ended up destroying a whole solar system with. In fact, the lack of supergates even within a galaxy tend to suggest it's not something they did often, if at all.
figmentPez
It didn't get flown into debility just getting to the galaxy, it continued on long after the Ancients were supposed to arrive. If they'd come when they planned, it would have been in excellent shape, there and ready to explore the new galaxy. Why it's continued on and on and on, and hasn't just stopped and waited for instructions is a better question.How does it make sense to fly a ship into debility covering galaxies that have already been covered?
Also, I know the replicators have been a huge problem, but why doesn't Ancient technology seem to use any other sorts of robotics?
The Stargate Wiki says that the crew has speculated that the Destiny came under attack at some point, and that's what caused all the damage to the ship. I don't remember that, but I haven't been able to focus on TV very well lately.
As for a supergate, it could be the power requirements were too high. A supergate from the Ori galaxy to the Milky Way required significantly more power than a normal stargate to bridge the same distance. While the power requirements from Earth to the Destiny weren't as high as that, it could be that even the Ancients would rather not power a supergate over that distance. They didn't have unlimited power capabilities, or they wouldn't have researched the power technology Rodney ended up destroying a whole solar system with. In fact, the lack of supergates even within a galaxy tend to suggest it's not something they did often, if at all.
#33
Dusty668
Dusty668
Mega Necro I know.
Looks Like Rush is getting his own spinoff.
Looks Like Rush is getting his own spinoff.
#34
Joe Johnson
Joe Johnson
Spinoff? Or will he get that spaceship working, and come back to the main ship. I'm glad to see him go, I hated this premise back when Lost in Space did it (the betraying smart guy). It just gets annoying after awhile.
#35
phil
phil
For me, the start was a little weak, but after a few episodes I'm really starting to dig this series. I like most of the characters, and the keano...kino...flying ball camera things which allow for even more personal and direct character development.
The latest episode where col. young goes apeshit on Rush was great, along with the Time travel episode. Those two really hooked me.
As for previous Stargates, I'm watching SG1 on hulu right now and just finished season 4. I'm enjoying it for the most part, but there are some things that I'm not really digging on. Like in season 3, a lot of it was spent undoing things that happened in season 2 it seemed. Also, Apothis is still the main villain, which is kinda bothering me, especially since they've had opportunities for even cooler ones like Socar, who was imitating the friggin' devil!
I'm pretty sure Apothis dies for good this season though, so i'll be looking forward to a new villain coming in and changing things up a bit.
The latest episode where col. young goes apeshit on Rush was great, along with the Time travel episode. Those two really hooked me.
As for previous Stargates, I'm watching SG1 on hulu right now and just finished season 4. I'm enjoying it for the most part, but there are some things that I'm not really digging on. Like in season 3, a lot of it was spent undoing things that happened in season 2 it seemed. Also, Apothis is still the main villain, which is kinda bothering me, especially since they've had opportunities for even cooler ones like Socar, who was imitating the friggin' devil!
I'm pretty sure Apothis dies for good this season though, so i'll be looking forward to a new villain coming in and changing things up a bit.
#36
@Li3n
@Li3n
As i recall s3-s5 where SG-1's best seasons...
But SGU needs more actual Sci-Fi...
But SGU needs more actual Sci-Fi...
#37
Cuyval Dar
Cuyval Dar
Man, I've been waiting all season for SGU:Rush. Now, hopefully, he is able to trick them all to get on to the new ship, so that he can have Destiny all to himself, providing this new ship isn't in better condition/more valuable.
#38
Dusty668
Dusty668
Of course it's in better condition, it's been resting in half a mountanside. It's not been plodding the spacelanes for a bajillion years.
#39
Joe Johnson
Joe Johnson
phil, yeah you'll get to see all sorts of new villians/and allies. @li3n is right, 3-5 are among the best, though I still liked it through 8.
SG:U was slow at the beginning - it's still a bit slow, but I feel like it's ramping up. The time travel one had some of the classic SG elements to it. I totally agree that it needs more "sci fi". Trapped on a spaceship can get boring. I think they really wanted the plot to be more character driven this time.
In short, gimme some aliens. Looks like we're on the way. At least they acknowledge that there are or WERE aliens in this galaxy.
I also like the stones, even if they're a bit of a stretch (tech-wise). It's a way to make the show a little less depressing (hey, look, SUNLIGHT).
SG:U was slow at the beginning - it's still a bit slow, but I feel like it's ramping up. The time travel one had some of the classic SG elements to it. I totally agree that it needs more "sci fi". Trapped on a spaceship can get boring. I think they really wanted the plot to be more character driven this time.
In short, gimme some aliens. Looks like we're on the way. At least they acknowledge that there are or WERE aliens in this galaxy.
I also like the stones, even if they're a bit of a stretch (tech-wise). It's a way to make the show a little less depressing (hey, look, SUNLIGHT).