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Student Athletes Punished for Off Campus Behavior

May 12, 2011#1

sixpackshaker

http://rivals.yahoo.com/highschool/...thletes-lengthy-suspens?urn=highschool-wp2010

OK, those of you young enough to do something like have a picture of you posted online (Facebook) drinking a beer... DON'T DO IT!!! Even if you are overage, it can still keep you from getting a job. Because your potential employer will check Facebook for your name and if they see you drinking, assume that you are an alcoholic and not give you the position. I see it all the time.

I know the whole, "under-aged kids should not drink" crap. But when can kids get a chance to be kids and have a private life. Without the school controlling every aspect of their life 24/7. Also why should an athlete be held to a higher standard of behavior than any other kid at a high school.

May 12, 2011#2

Chibibar

sixpackshaker said:
http://rivals.yahoo.com/highschool/...thletes-lengthy-suspens?urn=highschool-wp2010

OK, those of you young enough to do something like have a picture of you posted online (Facebook) drinking a beer... DON'T DO IT!!! Even if you are overage, it can still keep you from getting a job. Because your potential employer will check Facebook for your name and if they see you drinking, assume that you are an alcoholic and not give you the position. I see it all the time.

I know the whole, "under-aged kids should not drink" crap. But when can kids get a chance to be kids and have a private life. Without the school controlling every aspect of their life 24/7. Also why should an athlete be held to a higher standard of behavior than any other kid at a high school.

I'm kinda iffy on this. I know some parents (who are from Spain) it is OK to drink at home. My boss let his son (who is a musician for his college) can drink wine and he is under 21.

Now as for photos, I agree. Don't post this stuff cause it WILL come back and haunt you.

May 12, 2011#3

AshburnerX

sixpackshaker said:
http://rivals.yahoo.com/highschool/blog/prep_rally/post/Facebook-photos-land-11-athletes-lengthy-suspens?urn=highschool-wp2010Also why should an athlete be held to a higher standard of behavior than any other kid at a high school.

Because athletes are the most visible and volatile members of a college's population, who typically gather media attention unintentionally because of their potential futures in professional sports... and because when they get caught doing stupid shit, it reflects badly on the college. It's kind of like being a member of a royal family if the team is winning.

May 12, 2011#4

Tress

AshburnerX said:
Because athletes are the most visible and volatile members of a college's population, who typically gather media attention unintentionally because of their potential futures in professional sports... and because when they get caught doing stupid shit, it reflects badly on the college. It's kind of like being a member of a royal family if the team is winning.

It's a high school. They don't need to worry about prestige like colleges do. And there is no need to worry about a potential connection to professional sports while still in high school (for the most part).

I'm not a fan of this. I would be fine with the school contacting parents of students they identify to discuss the behavior. I would be fine with drug tests afterward. But to simply punish kids for things they do in their own free time is an egregious overstep of a school's authority.

May 12, 2011#5

figmentPez

Athletes represent their school, and high schools do have to worry about their reputation with the public. Media attention doesn't matter when gossip can spread rumors just as quickly.

May 12, 2011#6

sixpackshaker

Just look at that story from the other day, basketball player rapes a girl, the law is involved, and he stays on the team.

Here there are some Facebook pic's and a player will miss over half the next season.

May 12, 2011#7

strawman

sixpackshaker said:
when can kids get a chance to be kids and have a private life.

If they want to be adults, they should learn early that if they make an agreement to follow the rules on the field as well as off the field, then they will be held accountable. Let them choose between drinking and being on the team - which is a privilege, not a right. Why are people acting so entitled?

If you don't like the rules, find a team/school/etc that doesn't have such strict rules. Because, you know, it's vitally important that children drink alcohol as part of growing up. And play football. I'm pretty sure kids that don't do both end up living pretty miserable lives as adults.

May 12, 2011#8

Tress

stienman said:
If they want to be adults, they should learn early that if they make an agreement to follow the rules on the field as well as off the field, then they will be held accountable.

There are no school rules governing their behavior off the field. According to the article the students all signed an agreement to uphold certain standards while on campus or at school functions, but the article specifically states that there is nothing in the agreement regarding behavior off-campus. The issue here is not that students deserve to drink underage, though I think that would be an interesting debate. The real issue here is whether or not a school should have the right to discipline students for things they do at home. I don't feel comfortable with a school extending its authority that far.

May 12, 2011#9

sixpackshaker

stienman said:
If they want to be adults, they should learn early that if they make an agreement to follow the rules on the field as well as off the field, then they will be held accountable. Let them choose between drinking and being on the team - which is a privilege, not a right. Why are people acting so entitled?

If you don't like the rules, find a team/school/etc that doesn't have such strict rules. Because, you know, it's vitally important that children drink alcohol as part of growing up. And play football. I'm pretty sure kids that don't do both end up living pretty miserable lives as adults.

The school is not your freaking kid's parents.

and kids that have normal lives grow up to be normal people.

If the kids were to be punished for committing a minor misdemeanor, it should be the parents responsibility to punish them.

And to the busybody that turned the kids in, contact the parents if you are concerned that the kids are drinking underage. Or mind your own damn business, and teach your own kid to resist beer-pressure.

May 13, 2011#10

North_Ranger

How very 1984, if you don't mind me saying. Orwell's 1984, that is...

May 13, 2011#11

strawman

Tress said:
There are no school rules governing their behavior off the field.

Then the school is overreaching, simple as that.

May 13, 2011#12

sixpackshaker

North_Ranger said:
How very 1984, if you don't mind me saying. Orwell's 1984, that is...

Yeah, the real 1984 was a Bacchanal for High School Kids.

May 13, 2011#13

Espy

sixpackshaker said:
OK, those of you young enough to do something like have a picture of you posted online (Facebook) drinking a beer... DON'T DO IT!!! Even if you are overage, it can still keep you from getting a job. Because your potential employer will check Facebook for your name and if they see you drinking, assume that you are an alcoholic and not give you the position. I see it all the time.

I check everyone who gives me an application. 95% of them have open facebook accounts I can get into and look at. At least half of those 95% have pictures there that make me toss their application in the garbage. If I find someone who is smart enough to lock up their facebook account with the privacy settings I move them up the stack. It shows common sense.

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