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You might say, The Oscars are stupid and voted on by old people and give way more weight to "prestige" movies and anything with British People in it

YOU'D BE RIGHT.

You might say The Globes in particular, but all of these stupid awards usually go to what movie's production company campaigns the hardest / spends the most money"

YOU'D BE RIGHT.

But I don't care, I still care, and still generally enjoy the Oscars broadcast and getting mad when they screw up. I've done some dorky analysis of a few of the prognosticating sites, and I have this preliminary SHORTLIST(36) of movies likely to get nominated in one of the "big 8" categories (acting x4, picture, director, screenplay x2):


A Most Violent Year
A Most Wanted Man
American Sniper
Big Eyes
Birdman
Boyhood
Cake
Chef
Foxcatcher
Fury
Get On Up
Gone Girl
Inherent Vice
Interstellar
Into The Woods
Locke
Mr. Turner
Nightcrawler
Selma
St. Vincent
Still Alice
The Drop
The Fault in Our Stars
The Gambler
The Grand Budapest Hotel
The Homesman
The Imitation Game
The Immigrant
The Judge
The Theory of Everything
Two Days, One Night
Unbroken
Whiplash
Wild
Wild Tales
I have regrettably only seen 3 of these, I'm hoping to catch up a bunch in the month of January!!!

The Oscar nominations come out 1/15/15, and the ceremony is 2/22/15.

I'll also probably post stuff about the other awards/the Golden Globes maybe??? I'm probably the only one that cares

Wow, I have only seen two of these. From the scuttlebutt, though, I suspect this is a good list.

One movie for me.

From that list, I only watched The Drop. Which was phenomenal. There's a few others on there that I regret not seeing yet. Gone Girl being high on that list.

Seen Grand Budapest Hotel (which I loved) and really, really, really, want to see Birdman.

Ha, I've seen 6!

Damn if Fault in Our Stars wins anything I am going to have so many shots.

I've seen four of them and want to see Birdman so bad.

Grand Budapest should win a few at least. What a glorious movie. Boyhood should also win something just from the scope of the thing.[DOUBLEPOST=1420509903,1420509756][/DOUBLEPOST]Oh, and Life itself will be the winning documentary. I could see it getting a nod for best, but I rather doubt it with such a strong field. I suspect Mr. Turner will get a nomination, although it was a bit dry for my taste. Love the actor, though.

the Golden Globes happened, nothing really shocking there


The Oscar Nominations are happening very soon-ish

...And here are the Oscar nominees!

Best Picture
American Sniper (Warner Bros. Pictures)
Birdman or (The Unexpected Virtue of Ignorance) (Fox Searchlight Pictures)
Boyhood (IFC Films)
The Grand Budapest Hotel (Fox Searchlight Pictures)
The Imitation Game (The Weinstein Company)
Selma (Paramount Pictures)
The Theory of Everything (Focus Features)
Whiplash (Sony Pictures Classics)

Directing
Alejandro G. Iñárritu - Birdman or (The Unexpected Virtue of Ignorance)
Richard Linklater - Boyhood
Bennett Miller - Foxcatcher
Wes Anderson - The Grand Budapest Hotel
Morten Tyldum - The Imitation Game

Actor in a Leading Role
Steve Carell – Foxcatcher
Bradley Cooper – American Sniper
Benedict Cumberbatch – The Imitation Game
Michael Keaton - Birdman or (The Unexpected Virtue of Ignorance)
Eddie Redmayne - The Theory of Everything

Actress in a Leading Role
Marion Cotillard – Two Days, One Night
Felicity Jones – The Theory of Everything
Julianne Moore - Still Alice
Rosamund Pike - Gone Girl
Reese Witherspoon - Wild

Actor in a Supporting Role
Robert Duvall - The Judge
Ethan Hawke - Boyhood
Edward Norton - Birdman or (The Unexpected Virtue of Ignorance)
Mark Ruffalo - Foxcatcher
J.K. Simmons - Whiplash

Actress in a Supporting Role
Patricia Arquette - Boyhood
Laura Dern - Wild
Keira Knightley - The Imitation Game
Emma Stone – Birdman or (The Unexpected Virtue of Ignorance)
Meryl Streep - Into the Woods

Writing (Adapted Screenplay)http://www.comingsoon.net/movie/into-the-woods-2014
American Sniper, Written by Jason Hall
The Imitation Game, Written by Graham Moore
Inherent Vice, Written by Paul Thomas Anderson
The Theory of Everything, Written by Anthony McCarten
Whiplash, Written by Damien Chazelle

Writing (Original Screenplay)
Birdman or (The Unexpected Virtue of Ignorance), Written by Alejandro G. Iñárritu, Alexander Dinelaris, Nicolas Giacobone, Armando Bo
Boyhood, Written by Richard Linklater
Foxcatcher, Written by Dan Futterman and E. Max Frye
The Grand Budapest Hotel, Written by Wes Anderson
Nightcrawler, Written by Dan Gilroy

Foreign Language Film
Ida (Music Box Films), Poland, Pawel Pawlikowski
Leviathan (Sony Pictures Classics), Russia, Andrey Zvyagintsev
Tangerines, Estonia, Zaza Urushadze
Timbuktu (Cohen Media Group), Mauritania, Abderrahmane Sissako
Wild Tales (Sony Pictures Classics), Argentina, Damián Szifrón

Animated Feature Film
Big Hero 6 (Walt Disney Pictures)
The Boxtrolls (Focus Features)
How to Train a Dragon 2 (DreamWorks Animation)
Song of the Sea (GKIDS)
The Tale of the Princess Kaguya (GKIDS)

Production Design
The Grand Budapest Hotel - Production Design: Adam Stockhausen; Set Decoration: Anna Pinnock
The Imitation Game - Production Design: Maria Djurkovic; Set Decoration: Tatiana Macdonald
Interstellar - Production Design: Nathan Crowley; Set Decoration: Gary Fettis
Into the Woods - Production Design: Dennis Gassner; Set Decoration: Anna Pinnock
Mr. Turner - Production Design: Suzie Davies; Set Decoration: Charlotte Watts

Cinematography
Emmanuel Lubezki - Birdman or (The Unexpected Virtue of Ignorance)
Robert Yeoman - The Grand Budapest Hotel
Lukasz Zal and Ryszard Lenczewski - Ida
Dick Pope - Mr. Turner
Roger Deakins - Unbroken

Costume Design
Milena Canonero - The Grand Budapest Hotel
Mark Bridges - Inherent Vice
Colleen Atwood - Into the Woods
Anna B. Sheppard and Jane Clive - Maleficent
Jacqueline Durran - Mr. Turner

Film Editing
Joel Cox and Gary D. Roach - American Sniper
Sandra Adair - Boyhood
Barney Pilling - The Grand Budapest Hotel
William Goldenberg - The Imitation Game
Tom Cross - Whiplash

Documentary (Feature)
Citizenfour (RADiUS-TWC)
Finding Vivian Maier (Sundance Selects)
Last Days in Vietnam (American Experience)
The Salt of the Earth (Sony Pictures Classics)
Virunga (Netflix)

Makeup and Hairstyling
Bill Corso and Dennis Liddiard – Foxcatcher
Frances Hannon and Mark Coulier - The Grand Budapest Hotel
Elizabeth Yianni-Georgiou and David White - Guardians of the Galaxy

Music (Original Score)
Alexandre Desplat - The Grand Budapest Hotel
Alexandre Desplat - The Imitation Game
Hans Zimmer - Interstellar
Gary Yershon - Mr. Turner
Jóhann Jóhannsson - The Theory of Everything

Music (Original Song)
“Everything Is Awesome” from The LEGO Movie
Music and Lyric by Shawn Patterson
“Glory” from Selma
Music and Lyric by John Stephens and Lonnie Lynn
“Grateful” from Beyond the Lights
Music and Lyric by Diane Warren
“I’m Not Gonna Miss You” from Glen Campbell…I’ll Be Me
Music and Lyric by Glen Campbell and Julian Raymond
“Lost Stars” from Begin Again
Music and Lyric by Gregg Alexander and Danielle Brisebois

Sound Mixing
John Reitz, Gregg Rudloff and Walt Martin - American Sniper
Jon Taylor, Frank A. Montaño and Thomas Varga - Birdman or (The Unexpected Virtue of Ignorance)
Gary A. Rizzo, Gregg Landaker and Mark Weingarten - Interstellar
Jon Taylor, Frank A. Montaño and David Lee - Unbroken
Craig Mann, Ben Wilkins and Thomas Curley - Whiplash

Sound Editing
Alan Robert Murray and Bub Asman - American Sniper
Martín Hernández and Aaron Glascock - Birdman or (The Unexpected Virtue of Ignorance)
Brent Burge and Jason Canovas – The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies
Richard King - Interstellar
Becky Sullivan and Andrew DeCristofaro - Unbroken

Visual Effects
Dan DeLeeuw, Russell Earl, Bryan Grill and Dan Sudick - Captain America: The Winter Soldier
Joe Letteri, Dan Lemmon, Daniel Barrett and Erik Winquist - Dawn of the Planet of the Apes
Stephane Ceretti, Nicolas Aithadi, Jonathan Fawkner and Paul Corbould - Guardians of the Galaxy
Paul Franklin, Andrew Lockley, Ian Hunter and Scott Fisher - Interstellar
Richard Stammers, Lou Pecora, Tim Crosbie and Cameron Waldbauer - X-Men: Days of Future Past

Documentary (Short Subject)
Crisis Hotline: Veterans Press 1 – Ellen Goosenberg Kent and Dana Perry
Joanna – Aneta Kopacz
Our Curse - Tomasz Sliwinski and Maciej Slesicki
The Reaper (La Parka) – Gabriel Serra Arguello
White Earth – J. Christian Jensen

Short Film (Animated)
The Bigger Picture – Daisy Jacobs and Christopher Hees
The Dam Keeper – Robert Kondo and Dice Tsutsumi
Feast – Patrick Osborne and Kristina Reed
Me and My Moulton – Torill Kove
A Single Life – Joris Oprins

Short Film (Live Action)
Aya – Oded Binnun and Mihal Brezis
Boogaloo and Graham – Michael Lennox and Ronan Blaney
Butter Lamp (La Lampe Au Beurre De Yak) – Hu Wei and Julien Féret
Parvaneh – Talkhon Hamzavi and Stefan Eichenberger
The Phone Call – Mat Kirkby and James Lucas

yup, that's them all right

Some pretty interesting snubs. Like Clint Eastwood as director and The Lego Movie for best animated.

Bumping Boyhood, Birdman, Grand Budapest Hotel, and Foxcatcher up more to the top of my to-watch list.

Dave said:

Some pretty interesting snubs. Like Clint Eastwood as director and The Lego Movie for best animated.

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Maybe the live action sequences in the Lego Movie disqualified it? I dunno.

Also, with all the hype I've been hearing about Gone Girl, I'm slightly surprised it's not up for best picture.

Charlie Don't Surf said:

Bumping Boyhood, Birdman, Grand Budapest Hotel, and Foxcatcher up more to the top of my to-watch list.

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Birdman & Grand Budapest Hotel are excellent movies.

Charlie Don't Surf said:

Bumping Boyhood, Birdman, Grand Budapest Hotel, and Foxcatcher up more to the top of my to-watch list.

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Grand Budapest Hotel is Anderson's best film yet, and definitely a worthy contender. Birdman is... I struggle to give it a description that doesn't also spoil a lot of its excellence. I haven't seen the other two, though, but I am keen on watching Foxcatcher.

There's some uproar about Selma's snubbing.

I'm kind of amused "Everything is Awesome" got an Oscar nod. It's such an ear worm song. I wonder if it was the subliminal messages that worked:

"Nominate for Oscarrrrr/ Or this song won't be leaving your head/Nominate for Oscarrrrr/You'll hum this 'til you're dead!"

I have literally not seen any movie that has been nominated for anything. I really need to see more movies.

Movies in that list that I'd at least be interested in seeing (no particular order):
American Sniper
Captain America 2
Guardians of the Galaxy
Selma
Imitation game

Celt Z said:

I'm kind of amused "Everything is Awesome" got an Oscar nod. It's such an ear worm song. I wonder if it was the subliminal messages that worked:

"Nominate for Oscarrrrr/ Or this song won't be leaving your head/Nominate for Oscarrrrr/You'll hum this 'til you're dead!"

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I hate that song as a piece of music, but love it for what it is in the movie. That intro was on-point creepy.

blotsfan said:

I have literally not seen any movie that has been nominated for anything. I really need to see more movies.

Movies in that list that I'd at least be interested in seeing (no particular order):
American Sniper
Captain America 2
Guardians of the Galaxy
Selma
Imitation game

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Same here. I've seen so few movies in the theatre lately. Gotta catch up. I might get to see Birdman this weekend.

Out of ALLLLL those movies, I have only seen Into the Woods. But to be fair, I haven't seen many movies at all this year.

American Sniper: way over rated. More like Hurt Locker part 2, based on a semi-true story.

So, Oscar bait?

The first 1/2 hour is painful. Mainly because the portray the lead guy as a perfect patriot and specimen. They did everything but put an "S" on his chest. You know, for hope.

It is kind of fucked up that the director of the most critically and audience acclaimed movie of the year (Selma) was not put up for best director.

I wonder why that happened?

HMMM?

What could it have possibly been?

Frank said:

It is kind of fucked up that the director of the most critically and audience acclaimed movie of the year (Selma) was not put up for best director.

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(insert that stat about the Oscar voters being 95%+ old and white)

also "semi-true story"? Everything chris kyle said was bullshit except "I think Muslims are subhuman savages". He did really believe that.

also "Oscar Bait" (a term I really loathe) movies don't make $100m in January.

As much as you hate it, it's an accurate term.

And yes, Oscar Bait movies DO make that much. Not always, but they have before, so there's no reason that can't continue to do so.

Frank said:

It is kind of fucked up that the director of the most critically and audience acclaimed movie of the year (Selma) was not put up for best director.

I wonder why that happened?

HMMM?

What could it have possibly been?

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Maybe the Academy Voters were offended when one of the heroes of the civil rights movement was made out to be a villain.

LittleKagsin said:

As much as you hate it, it's an accurate term.

And yes, Oscar Bait movies DO make that much. Not always, but they have before, so there's no reason that can't continue to do so.

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The only Best Picture nominees with comparable openings are Avatar, Wall-E, Gravity, Dark Knight, Lord of the Rings, and Toy Story 3. Would any of those fall under the loosest definition of Oscar Bait?

A big problem I have with running that comparison straight across the board is screen numbers.

A lot of movies that end up getting nominated for best picture open in very few theatres. When I'm off work and home, I'll try and math it out seeing their trajectory if they had opened in the same number of theatres what their weekend opening would be.

I'm going to assume you also mean opening, or do you just mean in January?

Although, I'm gonna go big or go home and say that most war/solider movies run in the vein of 'Oscar bait' for me.

Would you like me to list movies I feel are Oscar Bait and have made lots of money? Or does it have to be in your specified parameters?

We were just comparing absolutes at first. You said "they do make that much ($100M)". And also I'm only talking about American Sniper's opening weekend, but I think once its run is over, it'll be easily in the top ten grossing Best Picture nominees. http://boxofficemojo.com/oscar/bestpichist.htm?view=bymovie&sort=gross&order=DESC&p=.htm

I think we're using different definitions of "Oscar Bait" anyways. My mental picture of that term even has it intrinsically being low box-office since it's too "arty" to be populist.

Oh.

Yeah, no, when I say 'Oscar Bait' I mean a movie that is made to illicit certain emotions and the goal in the end is to win an Oscar. Not under the radar artsy films.

But I agree that it will be one of the highest grossing Best Picture nominees, I'm with you there.

Is there a film you're pulling for to win?

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Maybe the Academy Voters were offended when one of the heroes of the civil rights movement was made out to be a villain.

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Not enough not to nominate the film itself.

This year I think the like... category of "Boring Movies Nominated For Oscars" has got Theory of Everything and The Imitation Game leading the way.

Previous beltholders include- Philomena, Lincoln (though I loved it), The Help, The Artist, and reigning champ The King's Speech

Another theory is the Academy is making up for making Driving Miss Daisy the Best Picture Winner.

Saw Boyhood the other day. I was unimpressed. I kept waiting for something to happen. It just felt...gimmicky.

Edit: Although I will add that Ethan Hawke stole the show in that film. Almost every scene worth watching was one featuring him.

This is happening on Sunday!

I was not aware of that. Should do like a pool of who we think will win what award or just place bets on the over under for the length of the broadcast?

Whiplash >> every other movie that came out this year.

The 2015 Razzies were awarded, with Kirk Cameron being the big "winner" of the night. Kirk Cameron's Saving Christmas took home Worst Picture, Worst Actor for Cameron himself, Worst Screenplay, and Worst Screen Combo for Kirk Cameron and his ego.

Other "winners" included:
Michael Bay for Worst Director for Transformers 4;
Kelsey Grammar for Worst Supporting Actor for Expendables 3, Legends of Oz, Think Like a Man Too, AND Transformer 4;
Cameron Diaz for Worst Actress for The Other Woman and Sex Tape;
Megan Fox for Worst Supporting Actress for Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles;
and Annie for Worst Remake, Sequel, or Rip-off.

By the end of this, I'll probably have seen the same number of Razzie winners as Oscar winners for this year: zero.

(But I hope not because Hans Zimmer should get the fucking original score Oscar for Interstellar.)

pff. Annie, TMNT, and Transformers 4 were all really REALLY far from the worst movies made last year. The Razzies are really fucking stupid. They're a transphobic anti-popularity contest with their heads very firmly shoved up their own ass.

Charlie Don't Surf said:

transphobic

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Because they dislike the transformers? Really?

Bubble181 said:

Because they dislike the transformers? Really?

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nah because they throw around "Tranny" like a 10 year old that learned a new insult

Charlie Don't Surf said:

pff. Annie, TMNT, and Transformers 4 were all really REALLY far from the worst movies made last year. The Razzies are really fucking stupid. They're a transphobic anti-popularity contest with their heads very firmly shoved up their own ass.

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What would be your year's worsts?

Zero Esc said:

What would be your year's worsts?

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Pompeii, God's Not Dead, Heaven is for Real, Expendables 3, 300 2, Draft Day, Sharknado 2

I enjoyed Draft Day

And Sharknado 2 was awesome and also a TV movie!

I have read the plot summary of draft day and its clear that the people who made it know next to nothing about the NFL draft.

blotsfan said:

I have read the plot summary of draft day and its clear that the people who made it know next to nothing about the NFL draft.

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Just like the Cleveland Browns.

They originally wanted to use the Bills in the movie, but changed to Cleveland pretty late.

Can't say I'm too torn up over that.

And we've got our first win of the night, with Best Supporting Actor going to J. K. Simmons for his performance in Whiplash.

EDIT:
Costume Design - The Grand Budapest Hotel
Hairstyling and Makeup - The Grand Budapest Hotel
Foreign Language Film - Ida
Short Film, Live Action - The Phone Call
Documentary, Short Subject - Crisis Hotline: Veterans Press 1
Sound Editing - American Sniper
Sound Mixing - Whiplash
Supporting Actress - Patricia Arquette, Boyhood
Short Film, Animated - Feast
Visual Effects - Interstellar
Animated Feature - Big Hero 6
Production Design - The Grand Budapest Hotel
Cinematography - Birdman or (The Unexpected Virtue of Ignorance)
Film Editing - Whiplash
Documentary, Feature - CitizenFour
Music, Original Song - "Glory" from SELMA
Music, Original Score - The Grand Budapest Hotel
Writing, Adapted Screenplay - The Imitation Game
Writing, Original Screenplay - Birdman or (The Unexpected Virtue of Ignorance)
Directing - Alejandro G. Inarritu, Birdman or (The Unexpected Virtue of Ignorance)
Leading Actor - Eddie Redmayne, The Theory of Everything
Leading Actress - Julianne Moore, Still Alice

Her?

MindDetective said:

Her?

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Shit. Sorry. Missed my typo. Thanks for the head's-up. It has been fixed.

OK, Lady Gaga knocked it out of the park.

Charlie Don't Surf said:

This year I think the like... category of "Boring Movies Nominated For Oscars" has got Theory of Everything and The Imitation Game leading the way.

Previous beltholders include- Philomena, Lincoln (though I loved it), The Help, The Artist, and reigning champ The King's Speech

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I just saw The Imitation Game and I don't think it was boring at all.

The brilliant score to Interstellar lost to "YOLO."

...And we have now reached the end, with Birdman or (The Unexpected Virtue of Ignorance) picked for best picture.

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OK, Lady Gaga knocked it out of the park.

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Wow, I just saw her performance on Youtube. I am no Lady Gaga fan in the least, but I have to give her props for that.

Eddie fucking Redmayne won best actor.

Fuck off Academy.

Fuck right off.

Also, American Sniper taking sound editing over Interstellar, fuck right off again.

Yeah, I'm reminded of why I stopped caring about this shit years ago and why it was stupid to take a break from that policy this year.

JK Simmons winning for Whiplash was good, though.

Pawel Pawlikowsky beating the playing-you-off music was great.

Now I want to see Johnny Dangerously again.

So the internet is jumping down Sean Penn's throat over the "green card" crack.

Same question as last time with Seth McFarlane's "We Saw Your Boobs" song. Was that really his line, or was it Bruce Vilanch again?

DarkAudit said:

So the internet is jumping down Sean Penn's throat over the "green card" crack.

Same question as last time with Seth McFarlane's "We Saw Your Boobs" song. Was that really his line, or was it Bruce Vilanch again?

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According to Alejandro González, he and Penn are actually very close friends, and that's how they talk to each other. He was just ribbing his friend.

This seems like a rare time when there actually is context that like, excuses what looks real bad in a bubble

I thought it was obvious there was real affection between them.

I just youtubed Lady Gaga's performance at the Oscars.

It made me sad. All that talent, and she chose to be a pop zombie.

I hope she did all that to make money and now that she has it, she does stuff that's really worthwhile. I kind of feel the same way about Miley Cyrus. It's sad in today's music landscape that being a great singer isn't enough to make you famous, you have to be some sort of self-exploitationist.

Fwiw I called Birdman for best picture. Watching that movie was like feeling ants crawl on my brain while drunk in a rocking chair suffering from crippling vertigo listening to speed metal. It was exceptional in so many ways.

Grand Budapest would have been my first pick, but I just don't Wes Anderson's work, as good as it is, as being "Oscar". Which is a shame, and a real flaw of the Oscar system. It was arguably the best movie of the year. But it was a comedy, and those just never make it.

Whiplash was excellent, but it was a little up its own tuccus and one-dimensional. The story it used about Charlie Parker was inaccurate at best, and the ideology it espoused was less than questionable. JJ Simmons was incredible though. "Not quite my tempo"

American Sniper had no chance. Ignore the controversy around it, it was simply not a very good movie. You really only had a single character, and they didn't do that good of a job developing him.

The Imitation Game was just bad. It was a boring movie pandering as Oscar Bait. It was a lame attempt to show the oppressed genius. The oppression didn't click like it did for Dallas Buyers Club. The genius didn't click like it did for Theory of Everything. Cumberbacht should stick to Sherlock. Or August Osage County.

Boyhood and Selma I didn't watch. One day I'll get around to it.

Would she really have made it big as a straight singer or do we only know her because of the pop zombie over the top stuff? I think she's brilliant for having done it this way.

she was a juliard trained pianist iirc. I believe she was a straight up prodigy. She would have done well whatever she did.[DOUBLEPOST=1424813031,1424812907][/DOUBLEPOST]My mistake. Wasn't Juilliard. It was CAP21. I just remember something about her sight reading at age 12 or something.

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The Imitation Game was just bad. It was a boring movie pandering as Oscar Bait. It was a lame attempt to show the oppressed genius. The oppression didn't click like it did for Dallas Buyers Club. The genius didn't click like it did for Theory of Everything. Cumberbacht should stick to Sherlock. Or August Osage County.

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I can't disagree with you enough.

I'm being a bit unfair. Cumberbacht really was quite good in it, he wasn't the problem. The problem to me was that the movie seemed to condescend to the viewer and used his genius like an unearned Deus Ex. "Oh, you don't need to understand his genius, just accept it, because we need it to move the plot forwards". It felt very different from The Theory of Everything in that regard. And while the difficulties he faced were truly tragic, they felt more tacked on than they did in Dallas Buyers Guide. It was also highly inaccurate and fictionalized, which is something that really bothers the hell out of me when it comes to a person whose life contributions were buried for multiple reasons. That's simply not cool to me, and does a disservice to his legacy.

To each their own though. It just wasn't for me.




Anyways. Ran across this interesting quote from a forum conversation about Keaton's up and down career. I ran across it looking for stuff about what it was that made Keatons career go dark for so many years:

somewhere out there there is a young indie filmmaker who has his/her eyes set on Keaton.
This filmmaker will give Keaton his "Lost in Translation"
that, or he is a has-been with no future.

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This quote is from 2004

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Source: http://www.chud.com/community/t/68288/the-strange-career-of-michael-keaton[DOUBLEPOST=1424816479,1424816328][/DOUBLEPOST]Fwiw, it may be worth pointing out that while the Imitation game was nominated for a bunch of awards, it won almost none.

My husband had the same complaint about a lot of the story being fictionalized.

I only knew 3 things about Alan Turing going into the movie.
1) He was a code breaker during the war
2) He was pretty much the father of algorithmic computation
3) He was persecuted for being gay which led to his chemical castration and suicide

So, as far as I was concerned, the main bases were not fictionalized. As for everything else, such as some of the cloak and daggerier aspects, I assumed were sensationalized. I doubt you'll find many truly accurate Hollywood adaptations.

Dave said:

Would she really have made it big as a straight singer or do we only know her because of the pop zombie over the top stuff? I think she's brilliant for having done it this way.

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There are videos of her pre-Gaga stuff and she's much, much better than what she's overall known for.

There seems to be this idea that gaga was forced into her current persona to make it in music. I don't think that's the case. I think she does it because she wants to, that is her art.

Ravenpoe said:

There seems to be this idea that gaga was forced into her current persona to make it in music. I don't think that's the case. I think she does it because she wants to, that is her art.

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I disagree. Had she not built the persona nobody would have given a shit. Her rise to fame was as much that as the music.

Agreed; you can see with how the "weird" levels increased over time that it was a calculated and intentional act, a method to fame (granted, with her talent as the foundation) and it worked.

Now that she has the fame and fans, I'd like to see her do more stuff like pre-Gaga.

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I disagree. Had she not built the persona nobody would have given a shit. Her rise to fame was as much that as the music.

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She wouldn't have been pop-star famous, because she wouldn't have been a pop star. But there are other levels of success. Just because most people can't name a famous opera singer doesn't mean that singer isn't famous or successful. But she decided she wanted to be a pop star, and she did.

And I'm glad, because I like her pop music.

I was going to ask about spikes in her record sales after stunts like the meat dress or the egg at the Grammys. Then (as in just now) I learned that her Haus of Gaga is modeled after Andy Warhol's The Factory. So there's more going on here than I was willing to give her credit for.

Bowielee said:

I only knew 3 things about Alan Turing going into the movie.
1) He was a code breaker during the war
2) He was pretty much the father of algorithmic computation
3) He was persecuted for being gay which led to his chemical castration and suicide

So, as far as I was concerned, the main bases were not fictionalized. As for everything else, such as some of the cloak and daggerier aspects, I assumed were sensationalized. I doubt you'll find many truly accurate Hollywood adaptations.

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That's fair. But I went in knowing a bit more (not a lot, as you'll see), and watched it with some physicist friends in the same situation. And some parts were so obviously imprecise/exaggerated/invented that we all thought the female character was probably invented to add drama, for instance (she wasn't!). So the sensationalization eliminated a lot of the impact that comes from it being a 'real' store, even beyond what is actually sensationalized.

It was a good movie though (but it didn't deserve a Best Picture Oscar)

I still want to see The Imitation Game because it looks like my kind of movie, even if some others would find it boring.

There's a few movies I have to remember to rent when I can from last year. I just don't like seeing dramas in the theater.

Can't believe Tomm Moore got snubbed again. I can understand Secret of Kells losing out to UP, but Song of the Sea was WAY better than Big Hero 6 (and The Lego Move was better than both and didn't get nominated at all).

Has a foreign film EVER won Best Animated Picture? Miyazaki should be pissed if he doesn't have at least ONE.

Spirited away won the Oscar in 2003!

tegid said:

Spirited away won the Oscar in 2003!

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I remember Ebert saying that if Spirited Away didn't win, then the Animated Feature award was a joke.

Zero Esc said:

I remember Ebert saying that if Spirited Away didn't win, then the Animated Feature award was a joke.

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It's still kind of a joke. Pixar, Disney, and Dreamworks duke it out for the award every year... it's only had two foreign winners (Spirited Away and Curse of the Were-Rabbit) and only 4 that weren't one of those three companies.

AshburnerX said:

It's still kind of a joke. Pixar, Disney, and Dreamworks duke it out for the award every year... it's only had two foreign winners (Spirited Away and Curse of the Were-Rabbit) and only 4 that weren't one of those three companies.

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At least it keeps those filthy children's cartoons out of best picture.

I think Gaga's dropped a lot of the weird over the last year or two. She's done a lot of work with Tony Bennett, among other things, and doesn't seem to appear "in costume" as often as she used to.

CynicismKills said:

I think Gaga's dropped a lot of the weird over the last year or two. She's done a lot of work with Tony Bennett, among other things, and doesn't seem to appear "in costume" as often as she used to.

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I think she has a new pop album coming out soon. The hype machine will be back in action.

Hopefully she has made enough money with the "act" that she can work to her talents now.