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Dude, that poll is freaking even.

Star Trek 2634
Star Wars 2639

That is insane.

it's completely even now

I voted for Star Trek to spite my nine-year old self.

I voted star trek. Even though there were some bad moments, out of the hundreds hours of recorded tv shows and movies, nothing was anywhere near as bad as the phantom menace.

Data Sherlock Holmes episode > All of the Star Wars movies.

Now franchise vs franchise?

Star Wars wins with extended universe books and games, as well as superior action figures.

And remember the valuable lesson of Star Wars kids, if your friends die for the cause it is ok to ignore their deaths and get on with your life as they were obviously only unimportant supporting characters in the movies of life, and if you die in the fight it means your were just a minor supporting character as well. So no big deal.

Especially if you're shot by a Stormtrooper. :heythere:

Star Wars is greater. Why?

Star Trek has a united Earth. Humans are one big happy family. Not so in Star wars. In fact, it's the humans that are driving all of the action. Star Wars is more realisitic to human nature.

The Death Star. Need to wipe out a planet? No problem. An entire fleet of Star Trek ships can only scorch the surface of a planet. They might cause some volcanoes and earthquakes, but they are not able to destroy the planet in a single shot.

The Prime Directive. It seems to exist for the sole reason of giving the Star Trek captains something to break. In Star Wars, primitive cultures are not only interfered with, they'll be enlisted to help fight a battle if one side is desperate enough.

Also, in Star Trek you have to know about matter-antimatter engines, dilithium crystal, and all sorts of other technobabble. In Star Wars, all you need to know is THIS one goes HERE, THAT one goes THERE!

And finally, Lightsabers.

I find them too different to be compared other than the fact that it's in space and in the future.

General Specific said:

And finally, Lightsabers.

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Ohshit, I wanna change my vote. :aaahhh:

Star Wars.

Star Trek is better sci-fi but Star Wars is more fun to play with.

General Specific said:

Star Wars is greater. Why?

Star Trek has a united Earth. Humans are one big happy family. Not so in Star wars. In fact, it's the humans that are driving all of the action. Star Wars is more realisitic to human nature.

The Death Star. Need to wipe out a planet? No problem. An entire fleet of Star Trek ships can only scorch the surface of a planet. They might cause some volcanoes and earthquakes, but they are not able to destroy the planet in a single shot.

The Prime Directive. It seems to exist for the sole reason of giving the Star Trek captains something to break. In Star Wars, primitive cultures are not only interfered with, they'll be enlisted to help fight a battle if one side is desperate enough.

Also, in Star Trek you have to know about matter-antimatter engines, dilithium crystal, and all sorts of other technobabble. In Star Wars, all you need to know is THIS one goes HERE, THAT one goes THERE!

And finally, Lightsabers.

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The general has spoken.

rac3r_x said:

And remember the valuable lesson of Star Wars kids, if your friends die for the cause it is ok to ignore their deaths and get on with your life as they were obviously only unimportant supporting characters in the movies of life, and if you die in the fight it means your were just a minor supporting character as well. So no big deal.

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Hard for me to remember the memorials and grieving for all the red shirts who bought it.

Star Wars is like riding a bike. Everyone loves it... when they're fucking 10.

Star Trek all the way.

my vote was for Star Trek

SeriousJay said:

I find them too different to be compared other than the fact that it's in space and in the future.

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Star Trek is in the future. Star Wars is in the past.

SeriousJay said:

I find them too different to be compared other than the fact that it's in space and in the future.

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last time I checked Star Wars still started with the text "A long, long time ago in a galaxy far, far away" :smug:

NINJA!!

Star Trek... mainly because of the orgasmic-level awesome that was Deep Space Nine.

Still... I ain't gonna rag on Star Wars. And by Star Wars I mean the true trilogy, with or without CG additions. This stuff about a 'prequel' trilogy or some such... it's all swamp gas.

Star Trek is sci-fi.

Star Wars is sci-fantasy.

Both are equally great in their own particular ways.

Argument over.

North_Ranger said:

Star Trek... mainly because of the orgasmic-level awesome that was Deep Space Nine.

Still... I ain't gonna rag on Star Wars. And by Star Wars I mean the true trilogy, with or without CG additions. This stuff about a 'prequel' trilogy or some such... it's all swamp gas.

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amen to that!

Watson, I do believe they're deaf. We are obviously the tie-breaker in this argument.
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Philosopher B. said:

I voted for Star Trek to spite my nine-year old self.

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I voted Trek to spite my fifteen year old self. Fuck that kid, right? He bought all those crappy Star Wars novels. The little bastard.

TwoBit said:

Philosopher B. said:

I voted for Star Trek to spite my nine-year old self.

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I voted Trek to spite my fifteen year old self. Fuck that kid, right? He bought all those crappy Star Wars novels. The little bastard.

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Teehee you were buying Star Wars novels at 15. :tongue:

Shegokigo said:

Watson, I do believe they're deaf.

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"You don't agree with me because you didn't read what I said" is hereby named the Shego Fallacy.

ZenMonkey said:

Shegokigo said:

Watson, I do believe they're deaf.

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"You don't agree with me because you didn't read what I said" is hereby named the Shego Fallacy.

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I must make a tag for that.

Wait, this isn't about Kirk vs. Picard?!

Watched Star Trek with my dad when I was 4 years old. Trek all the way.

Philosopher B. said:

TwoBit said:

[quote="Philosopher B.":m3zi0rg2]I voted for Star Trek to spite my nine-year old self.

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I voted Trek to spite my fifteen year old self. smurf that kid, right? He bought all those crappy Star Wars novels. The little bastard.

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Teehee you were buying Star Wars novels at 15. :tongue:[/quote:m3zi0rg2]
I'm buying Star Wars Lego at 25.

Edrondol said:

SeriousJay said:

I find them too different to be compared other than the fact that it's in space and in the future.

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Star Trek is in the future. Star Wars is in the past.

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What I find interesting is that the people in Star Wars are still referred to as humans, despite being from "a galaxy far, far away...". Translated, perhaps?

Also, why is a civilisation set so many years ago so much more advanced than our present?
Sorry if these are answered somewhere.

Scydron said:

Edrondol said:

SeriousJay said:

I find them too different to be compared other than the fact that it's in space and in the future.

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Star Trek is in the future. Star Wars is in the past.

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What I find interesting is that the people in Star Wars are still referred to as humans, despite being from "a galaxy far, far away...". Translated, perhaps?

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Actually [spoiler:7le08ejy]life on this planet came from a non-Force sensitive flushing his space toilet while in hyperspace.[/spoiler:7le08ejy]

Scydron said:

Also, why is a civilisation set so many years ago so much more advanced than our present?
Sorry if these are answered somewhere.

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Because they're ancient astronauts... duh.

They're both pretty nifty.

If Star Wars is taken to mean just the original three films, and Star Trek just the original series and the first six movies, Star Trek wins, but by a fairly slim margin.

If we're talking about the whole thing, all the series, the prequels, the cartoons, the omnipresent, all-encompassing torrent of shit that compose both franchises, then they've both mediocred themselves out of the running, and Firefly wins.

That's right, I just made the substantive mediocre into a verb. Fear my power.

Lamont said:

If Star Wars is taken to mean just the original three films, and Star Trek just the original series and the first six movies, Star Trek wins, but by a fairly slim margin.

If we're talking about the whole thing, all the series, the prequels, the cartoons, the omnipresent, all-encompassing torrent of shit that compose both franchises, then they've both mediocred themselves out of the running, and Firefly wins.

That's right, I just made the substantive mediocre into a verb. Fear my power.

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if we're talking about the whole thing, then you have to take in the lameness of the browncoats and firefly couldn't beat out the original bsg by that point

star wars.

The story of the first 3 Star Wars movies was greater. With the whole hero with a thousand faces and all that got to greater human truths. It was Pure Myth, plain and simple, with some WWII politics, and bad science thrown on top. But for the most part is is only 9 hours of lighthearted fun with a good blend of human truths about friendship, family, and war. If the new three movies could have held up to the original accidental classics it would be a run away win.

Star Trek is just a socialist fantasy about a Utopian future, with bad science thrown on top. There is much more breadth to the universe because there was so many hours of airtime dedicated to fleshing out the Universe. But the show does not have that much depth.

For Trek's ability to stay on message of a better future, and to stay relevant for so long, they tend to carry my vote.

But then again, Star Trek put out more bad movies than Star Wars did.

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"You don't agree with me because you didn't read what I said" is hereby named the Shego Fallacy.

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This woman speaks treason! Officers, take her away!
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ZenMonkey said:

Shegokigo said:

Watson, I do believe they're deaf.

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"You don't agree with me because you didn't read what I said" is hereby named the Shego Fallacy.

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I love you. Forever.

Shegokigo said:

ZenMonkey said:

"You don't agree with me because you didn't read what I said" is hereby named the Shego Fallacy.

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This woman speaks treason! Officers, take her away!
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So your argument for superiority is the episode where Data and the rest of the crew gets outsmarted by a hologram?

General Specific said:

Shegokigo said:

ZenMonkey said:

"You don't agree with me because you didn't read what I said" is hereby named the Shego Fallacy.

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This woman speaks treason! Officers, take her away!
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So your argument for superiority is the episode where Data and the rest of the crew gets outsmarted by a hologram?

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Yes, and a computer powerful enough to create a genius with original thought just because some one wanted an adversary capable of out smarting DATA. Who then gets duped by Picard.

I voted for Star Wars, it has Wookies and Lightsabers in it.

General Specific said:

Shegokigo said:

ZenMonkey said:

"You don't agree with me because you didn't read what I said" is hereby named the Shego Fallacy.

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This woman speaks treason! Officers, take her away!
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So your argument for superiority is the episode where Data and the rest of the crew gets outsmarted by a hologram?

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No need to play the trump card when the three of clubs works.

Crone said:

ZenMonkey said:

Shegokigo said:

Watson, I do believe they're deaf.

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"You don't agree with me because you didn't read what I said" is hereby named the Shego Fallacy.

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I love you. Forever.

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:tear:

sixpackshaker said:

General Specific said:

So your argument for superiority is the episode where Data and the rest of the crew gets outsmarted by a hologram?

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Yes, and a computer powerful enough to create a genius with original thought just because some one wanted an adversary capable of out smarting DATA. Who then gets duped by Picard.

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Because that's just how awesome Picard was! THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS! :uhhuh:

Pffft, Sisko could easily defeat Picard, Kirk, Janeway, Reynolds, Needa, Thrawn and Summers. Moore's Adama would ultimately beat his black ass, of course.

However, what everyone knows, without a doubt, is that Babylon 5 would waltz all over any %star% franchise as it is. :smug:

Strange, I don't recall this being a Star Trek Captain debate.

Funny thing is, neither do I.

Well i'm sure it's hard to keep track of the conversation when your picture sig eats up 3x more space than actual post. :slywink:

Aye, t'is all because of the $#%^ing unicorns.

Shegokigo said:

Now franchise vs franchise?

Star Wars wins with extended universe books and games, as well as superior action figures.

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And BTW-

Star Trek 48% (9890 votes)
Star Wars 52% (10668 votes)

I'd have to vote Star Wars. But one thing I do like about Trek is that humans kick ass. Usually, we suck in sci-fis. Not so in Trek. In fact, we kick so much ass, and know it so well, that it takes a god-like alien shooting us to Borg space to teach us a lesson.

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I'd have to vote Star Wars. But one thing I do like about Trek is that humans kick a**. Usually, we suck in sci-fis. Not so in Trek. In fact, we kick so much a**, and know it so well, that it takes a god-like alien shooting us to Borg space to teach us a lesson.

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Humans kick so much ass in Trek, we can violate the Prime Directive every week, then tell the entire rest of the galaxy that "this was the last time, we're super serious!" and have them buy it!

And that's without Jedi mind-tricks.

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I think that says it all... :smug:

I prefer Star Trek more for the simple reason that it has a couple of series with a shitload of seasons. More to enjoy. I do like the Star Wars setting very much though, but it's less fleshed out then Trek going by series/movies alone. I'm not so much into normal comics and I'm hesitant to buy books because I did that once with Starcraft and didn't much care for it.
I do like what Wars is doing with the whole Clone Wars series. Not really my preferred animation style, but it's still fun to watch.

General Specific said:

http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=Star+Wars&word2=Star+Trek

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I think that says it all... :smug:

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Yep.

In my opinion, creative as it is, Star Trek was just a sitcom-like show, where every episode had some new threat/planet/situation. Later DS9 went against that model, but the classeic ST model was basically a sictom model, at a time tv shows all followed that model.

SW was saga, that spun off a coherent timeline with several sagas happening in different eras, and are all connected. when I play a SW game, I´ll probably read about the characters and what happens a few years later in a book or comic. when I read a comic, I know what happened before, and where everything ties, its all part of one timeline.