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Looks like it's Catwoman and Bane.

I suppose these make sense, being two somewhat normal criminals (or in Bane's case, within the realm of reason), but I'm worried they're going to make Bane an idiot again. He's supposed to be nearly as smart as Batman.

Considering how amazing Batman: Begins and The Dark Knight were? I am going into this with a very positive outlook. They fit well enough into this "realistic" world that Nolan has created for the series, without going into the more campy/unrealistic characters.

'You know whose voice kind of reminds me of Eartha Kitt? Macy Gray.

No, but really, looking forward to another Nolan Batman movie. If only that damn newsie would quit making Batman's voice so silly.
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Also--I love Anne Hathaway. I think she could do a good job!

But then we wouldn't get spoofs like this!

Cajungal said:

Also--I love Anne Hathaway. I think she could do a good job!

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No. No. No. NO!

That's what I said about Ledger, and he proved me wrong.
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I like when people I couldn't imagine in a role get cast, because most of the time I'm pleasantly surprised. If I'm disappointed... well, it's only a movie.

No, Ledger proved himself an actor with range pre-Batman.

Hathaway is a thin waif of a woman who comes off as vapid in every one of her roles. She has no place playing a strong willed, brilliant crimnially minded, seductive and powerful woman.

Could she do it? Possibly, but I'm going off her past/current works/looks.

Jiarn said:

No, Ledger proved himself an actor with range pre-Batman.

Hathaway is a thin waif of a woman who comes off as vapid in every one of her roles. She has no place playing a strong willed, brilliant crimnially minded, seductive and powerful woman.

Could she do it? Possibly, but I'm going off her past/current works/looks.

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Have you really seen all of her movies? She has far more range and talent than you give her credit. This would be like saying Ledger could never play the Joker because he was one dimensional in 10 Things I Hate About You and A Knight's Tale.

Yeah, he was great, but I didn't think he'd be a great Joker at all. Anne Hathaway has done some crap, sure, but I think she has potential to be really great. Also, what does weight have to do with talent?

Darn, one website opined that Jessica Biel would play Talia...

I thought she proved that she could do more interesting films when I saw Rachel Getting Married. It wasn't the best film, but she stepped away from the usual things I'd seen her in pretty well.

Man, I guess the day will never come when Angelina Jolie plays Catwoman. Oh, well, Anne Hathaway rocks, so it should rule anyway.

Cajungal said:

If only that damn newsie would quit making Batman's voice so silly.

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Angelina Jolie is old enough to play Selena in The Dark Knight Returns.

Tress said:

Have you really seen all of her movies? She has far more range and talent than you give her credit. This would be like saying Ledger could never play the Joker because he was one dimensional in 10 Things I Hate About You and A Knight's Tale.

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I have seen a very large number of her films: Hell look at her IMDB profile and see what she's "Known for"

Devil Wears Prada
Alice in Wonderland
Get Smart
Princess Diaries

Let's look at the rest of her work shall we?

Ella Enchanted
Princess Diaries 2
Hoodwinked
Bride Wars
Valentine's Day

She's exactly how I described her. Sorry Tress.

Cajungal said:

Yeah, he was great, but I didn't think he'd be a great Joker at all. Anne Hathaway has done some crap, sure, but I think she has potential to be really great. Also, what does weight have to do with talent?

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Weight has nothing to do with talent, but I'm sorry, I'm not envisoning Anne Hathaway beating Batman's ass across the rooftops of Gotham.

Did you never see Hathaway in "Brokeback Mountain"? She's a decent actress. Hell, a lot of you were saying that Queen Amidala was a bad actress and then out comes "Black Swan". I think the directors and script have a lot to do with the quality of the performances. Give her a chance and let her succeed or fail based on the movie and not the preconceived notions you have.

Halley Barry was an Academy award-winning actress and she sucked as catwoman.

Many thought Michele Pfeiffer would suck as Catwoman too.

Dave said:

Did you never see Hathaway in "Brokeback Mountain"? She's a decent actress. Hell, a lot of you were saying that Queen Amidala was a bad actress and then out comes "Black Swan". I think the directors and script have a lot to do with the quality of the performances. Give her a chance and let her succeed or fail based on the movie and not the preconceived notions you have.

Halley Barry was an Academy award-winning actress and she sucked as catwoman.

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I think you misunderstand me. I didn't say that on talent alone she couldn't pull off the role, I even said she could possibly do it "mentally", but she's not the right "build". It would take some crazy work on her part to even come close to a "belivable" body for it.

sixpackshaker said:

Many thought Michele Pfeiffer would suck as Catwoman too.

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The difference is, those Batman films were more camp and less action, so it worked out in the end.

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It would take some crazy work on her part to even come close to a "belivable" body for it.

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That seems to be true for any super hero character ever.

Eh, I bet she could do it. Most good actors seem happy to train in preparation for a role like that.

many actors and actress work out for their roles. I'm sure Anne will do the same.

Anne's stature is fine for Catwoman. She has never been drawn like She-Hulk. The trick will be finding a body double that thin to do the stunt and fight work.

Jiarn said:

I have seen a very large number of her films: Hell look at her IMDB profile and see what she's "Known for"

Devil Wears Prada
Alice in Wonderland
Get Smart
Princess Diaries

Let's look at the rest of her work shall we?

Ella Enchanted
Princess Diaries 2
Hoodwinked
Bride Wars
Valentine's Day

She's exactly how I described her. Sorry Tress.

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Wow, nice job cherry-picking, jackass. Anyone can do that.

Let's take a look at Al Pacino's profile, shall we?

Ocean's 13
88 Minutes
Gigli
S1m0ne
Dick Tracy

What a loser. Those are all terrible movies, and he is therefore a bad actor. Herp de derp.

It's the larger part of her profile, it wasn't cherry picking, it was the larger population of her work.

Do that with Pacino. Go for it smartass.

Can she workout and buff up for the role? Sure. Can she pull off the mentality? Maybe. Will I gladly eat my words if she does it and blows it out of the water? I'll be the first to admit I'm wrong.

Again, I'm simply going off what she's done, and how she's been. Not just personal opinion.

I like how Jiarn skipped over Havoc. The Devil wears Prada was actually very well done.

It's a friggin comic book movie. She'll be fine.

There's no need for name calling. :\

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I like how Jiarn skipped over Havoc. The Devil wears Prada was actually very well done.

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I like how Jiarn skipped over Brokeback Mountain, Havoc, and Rachel Getting Married. You know, three movies that show how he's completely full of shit.

And by the way Jiarn:

Again, I'm simply going off what she's done, and how she's been. Not just personal opinion.

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No, it is just opinion. What you've been saying here is the very definition of "just personal opinion."

Look guys, if fucking Joey from Dawson's Creek did fine as a supporting female role, so will Princess Emilia.

Can't wait for trailers.

I didn't skip those because they were roles that prooved her otherwise, as a matter of fact they prove exactly my point. They're just as one dimentional and vapid (with the exception of Havoc just a slight bit) as the ones I listed.

Devil Wears Prada was well done, but not because of her participation.

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I didn't skip those because they were roles that prooved her otherwise, as a matter of fact they prove exactly my point. They're just as one dimentional and vapid (with the exception of Havoc just a slight bit) as the ones I listed.

Devil Wears Prada was well done, but not because of her participation.

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Look, it's Batman; not Schindler's List.

-sigh- I know, again it got out of hand and I apologize.

I've already stated that I would be gladly surprised if she could pull it off, I just think there are better options. Why get someone who's "currently" unqualified for the role, have them put in that kind of work, when it's just better to go with an easier fit?

Again, I apologize if I caused this shitstorm.

Okay, I'm going to approach this with a calmer tone.

Jiarn said:

I've already stated that I would be gladly surprised if she could pull it off, I just think there are better options. Why get someone who's "currently" unqualified for the role, have them put in that kind of work, when it's just better to go with an easier fit?

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I would say it's because 1) you have to give new actors a chance to push themselves, or we would never discover how good they can truly be (Tom Hanks would be the best example), and 2) sometimes it's more entertaining to see something risky in a film, like casting an unknown or actor who no one thinks can pull it off.

True, very true on the Tom Hanks. Difference being, I'd rather see her do more powerful roles that push her already existing talents instead of putting her in a "beat em up" gritty action movie.

Jessica Biel was mentioned earlier, that's definitely someone I would vote on for the role. The talents and abilities are there, it would just be a matter of molding them right.

Cat Woman in the comics, while she does occasionally beat people up, relies more on intelligence and stealth to thwart her foes.

I think Bane will fulfill the 'beat 'em up' sections of the films while Cat Woman brings the sexy and character development.

See that's just it, I don't find a single thing sexy about Hathaway. Now that is completely personal opinion.

I just always saw Catwoman as a very voluptous, curvy, and well toned woman. Even if Hathaway "buffed up" it wouldn't quite be the same. Can't fight genetics, well not entirely anyway.

It depends on thr artists depiction of Cat Woman for the book theit working on but most of the time the only filled out pary of her is the breasts. Even then it can...vary.

In the Gotham City Sirens comics she's tone but still very thin.

Hm, good point. I completely forgot about the Sirens series.

This definitely took a turn for interesting. Hathaway in a "dark" role. Might prove to be a surprising watch.

I never saw Catwoman as voluptuous or curvy. I saw her built like a gymnast, or y'know, a cat burglar.

I liked Anne Hathaway in Love and Other Drugs and not just because of her nudity.

Aw, I was hoping for some Hugo Strange action. Guess he could still be in there, somehow.

Bane's a brave choice, though, given the LAST time we saw him on the big screen.
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Also, I like Anne Hathaway, so I don't mind the casting at all.

Gusto said:

I never saw Catwoman as voluptuous or curvy. I saw her built like a gymnast, or y'know, a cat burglar.

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This was the version I have in my head when I hear "Catwoman"







Not the best pictures, but the general gist (and what I can view at work) is there.

I was always really keen on Darwyn Cooke's design and depiction.

They should've cast Marion Cotillard.

Then again, I would like to see Marion Cotillard play every role everywhere.

Mmmmm... Hathaway...

Jay presents to you...


The Canadian Knight Rises (R18)


fucccccck yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah babbbbby

Jiarn, she has that figure for the first two, that last one is ridiculous...

^Just look at that.

Woah, have to say I haven't seen that one before. Nice find Jay!

Too busy to hear what the lame critics are saying. Heard this all before with Ledger, now if you don't mind me.... fuuuuckkkk yeaaaah

Insubstantial. Her anatomy is that of a realistic human being.

No but seriously. Rawr.

Edit: Why are you all posting so fast!

I guess my bias came from such hate for her roles that I've seen, she always came across as so one-dimensional and airheaded. Also she was always so rail thin that those impressions of her + my impressions of Catwoman = Ugh.

However I stand corrected.

(Edit: I didn't expect an actress to be "comic book proportions", I was just explaining that I imagined a curvier image)

http://www.220.ro/faze-tari/Anne-Hathaway-Hott/EjWS3x8Zzm/ (NSFW!)

Don't mind me, just takin' the piss.

Edit: Aaauuggghhh why do people keep posting before me.

Double edit: I'll be in my bunk >_>

I also like boobs.

Whoever plays the role will be fine physically. I'm hopeful that the character is good. I know I'm not allowed to have a negative opinion about anything, but Nolan's biggest problem in my eyes is making the comic characters too generic. (Opinion alert. Also I liked the movies, but I'm also criticizing.) Comics are about extremes, and I guess my chief issue with the Nolan Batman is that he took a lot of the comic away from the comic. I just hope Catwoman doesn't end up generic cat burglar with a mardi gras mask, and Bane some 'roid rager.

Knowing Christopher Nolan, they'll be far more than that. I expect nothing less than excellence.

Ex:


Is what first came to mind. That was just not flying with me.

She needs a tan bad. Doesn't Cali have a sun?

I'm just unnerved by the return to the dreaded double villain format.

I still see a pretty woman that can fill a dress.

Please don't tan that great skin.

I agree, her skin is beauteous. Now if only she had some freckles ...

Zappit said:

I'm just unnerved by the return to the dreaded double villain format.

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At least it is not the dreaded triple threat.

Ras al Ghul & Scarecrow
Joker & Two-Face

Has worked well so far.

Beautiful woman or not: Curvy, ass kicking, criminal master mind it doesn't exude.

Ankle Biters.

So because I like bad movies, and I admit that they're bad fun, I have no appreciation for good movies? Just making sure that's what you're trying to get across.

Not saying that.

I'm saying your enjoyment of bad movies makes you a bad person.

No, wait... I'm saying you're not really in a position to judge whether or not she'd be right for the role considering you don't know what Nolan is intending with this storyline or what angle he'll approach the character from, or what will come from the actress playing the part. It makes you low to the ground, and hungry... so you start biting ankles. Who said anything about movies?

It'd be nice to actually conversate with you sometime. I really think you could do it if you tried.

I mean if you paid any mind to the thread AT ALL, you'd have noticed that my opinion was based on quick first impressions that were changed with very well thought out points and ideas. Something that people who "converse" tend to do.

I think your judgment of her is shallow.

She doesn't need a tan. Everyone knows there's no sun in Gotham.

escushion said:

I think your judgment of her is shallow.

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You're absolutely right, my initial judgement was shallow and based only on what I knew. I have since, been educated.

Did my video link help the education along?

Meh, she really doesn't fit Catwoman at all... i hope she at leasts hits the gym for the role.

I have high hopes.

Gusto said:

She doesn't need a tan. Everyone knows there's no sun in Gotham.

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This, plus her skin is just gorgeous. So many women ruin their skin by tanning it. Nothin wrong with being pretty and pale, imo.

Catwoman??? There can only be one great enough to fill those shoes. Betty White.

Steve said:

Catwoman??? There can only be one great enough to fill those shoes. Betty White.

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What happened to that barfing smilie?

Cajungal said:

Nothin wrong with being pretty and pale, imo.

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Sounds like something a vampire sympathizer would say...

Not to break up the objectifying, but the reason she's in so many terrible roles and movies is that Hollywood and society is sexist. There's far fewer starring/meaty roles for women as there are for men. Hope that helps......

Talking about body types for the Nolan Btamn is kinda negligible anyway. I know I'll enjoy the movie on SOME level.

And if people are so concerned with body types: Hardy as Bane!? Wha!?

I'm sure it'll be great DESPITE this. Everyone doubted Ledger as Joker and this will be no different.

Also, this news dashes my hopes that Hardy was cast to play a very off-theme Clayface.

Gusto said:

Also, this news dashes my hopes that Hardy was cast to play a very off-theme Clayface.

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I'm pretty sure the original Clayface could only change his face, not the rest of his body. I could see something like happening, if the guy was played as a master of disguise.

AshburnerX said:

I'm pretty sure the original Clayface could only change his face, not the rest of his body. I could see something like happening, if the guy was played as a master of disguise.

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Yeah that's what I was thinking! Well without the knowledge tat it had come from somewhere.

The idea that Tom Hardy would play a master of disguise in a Nolan movie is pretty established too!

Cajungal said:

Nothin wrong with being pretty and pale, imo.

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I think I pull it off pretty well.

Gusto said:

And if people are so concerned with body types: Hardy as Bane!? Wha!?

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I've never been a fan of the giant hulking "and his muscles grew three sizes that day," on venom, Bane. I've always thought it was pretty absurd. That said,

Tom Hardy is not lacking in muscles. IMDB says he's only 5'9", though. I guess that's what you're talking about. Average height doesn't really work in towering superhero world, especially against 6' Christian Bale.

Personally, I think Bane is wasted as a hulking brute (as he was wasted in Batman: Arkham Asylum, one of my few complains about the game). When Bane was introduced in the comics, and broke Batman, he didn't do it by strength alone. First he broke all the inmates out of Arkham, and slowly wore Batman down until he couldn't defend himself, even inside his own home. That's got to be the kind of villain Bane is if the movie is going to work well. Done right, it could work even with an actor of average height.


Also, I don't see a problem with Hathaway physically. She's pretty, and I'm sure she can get in shape. I'm uncertain of her acting skills, though that's because I haven't seen most of her career. What I have seen, and the reviews I've read, haven't shown me anything to get excited about, though.

Ravenpoe said:

I think I pull it off pretty well.

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Can I get a what what.

What what.

Philosopher B. said:

Man, I guess the day will never come when Angelina Jolie plays Catwoman.

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Not just no, but FUCK no. All her recent films serve only to bash you in the face with her Angelina Jolie-ness. Spare me.

Gusto said:

And if people are so concerned with body types: Hardy as Bane!? Wha!?

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Actually i was thinking more about the way she'll move and look in the actions scenes... Bane on the other hand doesn't really need to look huge, just solid... and they can always make him look taller with whatever magic they use on Tom Cruise...

Anne Hathaway has to do a better job than Halle Berry at least, right? I was skeptical about Heathe Ledger as Joker but he pulled it off flawlessly. I'm not going to judge until I actually see Anne as Catwoman.

I tried Google-ing to see if anyone had done a quick manip of Anne/Catwoman like they did with Kristen Bell/Harley Quinn. Sadly nothing yet, just these:

heatherling said:

Anne Hathaway has to do a better job than Halle Berry at least, right? I was skeptical about Heathe Ledger as Joker but he pulled it off flawlessly. I'm not going to judge until I actually see Anne as Catwoman.

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That film couldn't be saved by anything any actor could have done...

And Ledger had already proven he could play off beat characters, so i wasn't worried, even if i wasn't expecting him to be that good.

My problem now is the same one i had with Don Cheadle in IM2... great actor, good performance... just couldn't see him an Rhodey... especially jarring because Downey fit Stark so well. But i guess Bale doesn't fit Batman much either...

Drifter, if you didn't make me laugh so hard, I would hate you and think you a terrible human being. :hug:

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That's Black Cat, not Catwoman, and she's always been exceptionally voluptuous in all of her portrayals. Whoever made that is an idiot.

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My problem now is the same one i had with Don Cheadle in IM2... great actor, good performance... just couldn't see him an Rhodey... especially jarring because Downey fit Stark so well. But i guess Bale doesn't fit Batman much either...

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Downey is a drunken, womanizing, arrogant addict in REAL LIFE. He wasn't acting, he was just pretending the movie was an autobiography.

Cajungal said:

Drifter, if you didn't make me laugh so hard, I would hate you and think you a terrible human being. :hug:

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Well, I am a terrible person...

...terribly awesome.

heatherling said:

I'm not going to judge until I actually see Anne as Catwoman.

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You are lucky Minecraft is borked.

AshburnerX said:

Downey is a drunken, womanizing, arrogant addict in REAL LIFE. He wasn't acting, he was just pretending the movie was an autobiography.

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Wow, look at that echo in here?!

I think it is funny that most articles say that Michele Pfieffer was the first to play Catwoman. Julie Newmar, Eartha Kitt and Lee Merriweather might have something to say about that.




Too bad there is no young Julie Newmar to fill out that catsuit.
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The Lovely Boehner said:

Not to break up the objectifying, but the reason she's in so many terrible roles and movies is that Hollywood and society is sexist. There's far fewer starring/meaty roles for women as there are for men. Hope that helps......

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I guess Nolan could cast Cathy Bates as Catwoman, she is really good at those meaty parts that don't get offered to most other actresses.

drifter said:

Sounds like something a vampire sympathizer would say...

Spoiler: spoiler

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ROFLMAO

Hrm - Catwoman rarely thinks big. She's just a particularly glamorous burglar. That means she almost certainly isn't the primary antagonist. That means Bane is our big bad. That means that he can't be just a dumb bruiser, because those don't present sufficiently menacing threats to qualify as primary antagonists in a Nolan movie. That means smart Bane.

Can I get a 'hell yes' over here?

Hell yes.

You guys listen to Boehner! Stop talking about body types when you're trying to decide whether or not Hathaway looks like the comic book Catwoman! You should be talking about how her brain or acting talent fits into the costume!

I was....

fade said:

You guys listen to Boehner! Stop talking about body types when you're trying to decide whether or not Hathaway looks like the comic book Catwoman! You should be talking about how her brain or acting talent fits into the costume!

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Like I said, Cathy Bates could pull off this role, she has the acting chops...

*yawn*

Heard this all before with Heath Ledger.

Except that Ledger actually had work that you could look back on and say "well maybe...".

No, not really. Ledger was basically, OMFG... how can this guy POSSIBLY compare to dear Jack Nicholson? Now, few folk thinks Jack's performance comes close to Ledger's.

I like Hathaway (in more ways than one) but our grumpy media critic was right for once. It's very hard to be a pretty lady and get roles that don't pin you in certain ways. Few actresses do. And I'm 100% certain that Nolan can inspire her to greatness.

If you ain't happy though, feel free to watch Batman vs Robin fully then come back and say... "I guess it can't be as bad as Batman and Robin right?" and be plesantly surprised when the movies comes out.

Jiarn said:

Except that Ledger actually had work that you could look back on and say "well maybe...".

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Like what? Brokeback Mountain? Wait, who else is in that movie...?

Frankie Williamson said:

Like what? Brokeback Mountain? Wait, who else is in that movie...?

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...the prettier Gyllenhaal?

Piotyr said:

...the prettier Gyllenhaal?

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Maggie?

sixpackshaker said:

Like I said, Cathy Bates could pull off this role, she has the acting chops...

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I'd watch that.

I'm not in charge of this movie so my wish of not seeing another catwoman incarnation won't be realized. If the advertising sucks me in, I'll see it. If it doesn't then I won't.

Regardless of what actor/actress is in the movie, I'm pretty sure Nolan is running on fumes in regards to which Batman villian is going to add the least bit of camp factor to his gritty version of the Caped Crusader.

I would have stayed away from Catwoman and Bane. I would have gone with the Riddler as some schlep in Arkcam Asylam that got holed up with the Joker. That way you don't lose that whole menacing Joker vibe the Dark Knight ended with.

Yeah!

I'm pretty sure they said it was only going to be a trilogy, but you never know... as for villians, there are really only two that I'd suggest and they would work perfectly in the same film: Hugo Strange and Hush. Both know how to hurt Batman were it hurts and both can do it in the grim, realistic style Nolan is going for. Red Hood would work too, but without the Jason Todd build up, I couldn't see it paying off.

I actually had my money on Catwoman and Deadshot.

I figured Catwoman and Riddler.

Hathaway may have the acting ability but I really don't think that she has the right look for the role. She is too thin, pale and also kinda creepy looking.

When the list of potential actresses was announced I had her as the option I least hoped would be the person picked, and that was out of a pretty poor selection. Although Keira Knightley was a pretty close second.

Yeah, she's just as thin....

On the other hand:

You do remember just how terrible that film was?

No? Blade 2 was terrible.

HOLY SHIT!
The Legend of Zelda™: Ocarina of Time™ 3D


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Wrong thread bro.

I don't know. I'd rather see that in this thread than the current topic.

Link to be new villain in Nolan's Batman: Nerds everywhere experience conflicting flabbergasted and orgasmic reactions.

DOH!

Gusto said:

Link to be new villain in Nolan's Batman: Nerds everywhere experience conflicting flabbergasted and orgasmic reactions.

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Think about it. If Link is against Batman, that must mean that Batman is going to be the holder of the Triforce of Power.

I still think Clayface would have been kind of neat.

Allen who is Quiet said:

Think about it. If Link is against Batman, that must mean that Batman is going to be the holder of the Triforce of Power.

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Does that mean Anne Hathaway has the Triforce of Wisdom?

Jiarn said:

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Man, that movie was awful and everyone involved should be ashamed...but fuck, give me an athletic chick that I can "wrestle" with for hours like that and....I'm done.

Eliwood said:

Does that mean Anne Hathaway has the Triforce of Wisdom?

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I think Catwoman's goals and ideals will be too far from Link's for her to be a Triforce holder, but Nolan may surprise me.

AshburnerX said:

That's Black Cat, not Catwoman, and she's always been exceptionally voluptuous in all of her portrayals. Whoever made that is an idiot.

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Bwahaha yeah, that's kind of fail.

Here's another one:

I haven't seen Anne Hathaway in that many films, but she can't possibly be worse than Katie Holmes in Batman Begins.

Katie Holmes played a helpless nobody. It was good casting.

Jiarn said:

Katie Holmes played a helpless nobody. It was good casting.

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The same thing went for Jake Gyllenhaal when he took over the role.

Jiarn said:

Katie Holmes played a helpless nobody. It was good casting.

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Who had waaay too much screen-time for someone as uninteresting and un-nuanced as her performance. And, no, it wasn't.

Some thoughts:

Everyone is, of course, entitled to his/her own opinion, however, you haven't seen what Nolan has planned for these characters yet. So i don't really get the, 'figure' dilemma, or the 'acting skills' dilemma. These are all mold-able qualities that will come together when the director directs the movie. What I feel a lot of you are doing is, in essence, just like standing over an artist as he/she paints. And as the painter grabs a brush to create an image, you say, "oh, damn. wrong brush. This will never turn out." But you have no idea how the artist intends to use the brush/tool/paint to create the image. Just let it happen. You can critique the hell out of the end result. That's fine. That's wanted. But let the director make his damn movie.

I am excited for how the characters will be portrayed. I loved scarecrow the best in the series so far.

Incidentally, a few artists jammed out with a Nolan themed batman rogues gallery yearsssss ago. Trying to think of a more gritty way to display batman villains. It was really awesome sauce jamming. I wish i would've saved all the art. Here's my version of clayface, someone i'd lovvvvvvve (<3) to see on the big screen.



The write up for him was something like, 'he's blind, and uses clay feelers to reach out and 'feel'. His head is like a potato sack filled with clay that can morph 'roughly' to display emotions and such. He has no lost daughter he needs to care for. No wife that left him because he's a monster. No sappy backstory. He's just a clay man creepin around gotham killing people and he's really chaotic! Neat! =P

fennewalde said:

Some thoughts:

I am excited for how the characters will be portrayed. I loved scarecrow the best in the series so far.

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Wut? The Scarecrow was practically a throw-away usage. He didn't live up to any of the potential, he was just a source for the fear gas. They could have used Cornelius Stirk and gotten the exact same effect.

figmentPez said:

Wut?

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ah man, i really just liked him. In his throw-away usage glory. =)

I'm sorry he didn't meet your potential standards. oh what could have been scarecrow... what could have been?

why do you spell it knolan

i didn't spell it kno...

practice.

i did it for practice.

*edited for the speaker of the hurrrrrrrrr* thankies!

fennewalde said:

But let the director make his damn movie.

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My counter:

Here's what I want to know:

Why does it even HAVE to be a known villain? I realize the fan service behind having someone familiar but these sort of things always seem to occur when they do this. Why not make an entirely NEW villain that Batman hasn't met a thousand times and bring them in? You know what I'd like to see? A guy a lot like Batman, just evil. Imagine another guy with seemingly unlimited resources and brilliance then take away his aversion to killing.

He could even dress exactly like the Batman to confuse the authorities and make an enemy out of him. Why always have to retread old paths?

Red Hood was a bit like that (animated movie anyway) and it worked out awesome.

I wouldn't mind seeing something like that, though I'm sure it's been done before in the comic series at some point.

Dave said:

Here's what I want to know:

Why does it even HAVE to be a known villain? I realize the fan service behind having someone familiar but these sort of things always seem to occur when they do this. Why not make an entirely NEW villain that Batman hasn't met a thousand times and bring them in? You know what I'd like to see? A guy a lot like Batman, just evil. Imagine another guy with seemingly unlimited resources and brilliance then take away his aversion to killing.

He could even dress exactly like the Batman to confuse the authorities and make an enemy out of him. Why always have to retread old paths?

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Because they've done that multiple times in the comics.

Dave said:

Here's what I want to know:

Why does it even HAVE to be a known villain? I realize the fan service behind having someone familiar but these sort of things always seem to occur when they do this. Why not make an entirely NEW villain that Batman hasn't met a thousand times and bring them in? You know what I'd like to see? A guy a lot like Batman, just evil. Imagine another guy with seemingly unlimited resources and brilliance then take away his aversion to killing.

He could even dress exactly like the Batman to confuse the authorities and make an enemy out of him. Why always have to retread old paths?

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Except you just described Hush in a nutshell. Or Ra's al Ghul. Or Azrael. Or Red Hood. Or...

Hush? Never heard of him. Hmmm. But you get my point. Don't do the same villains we've always seen. Do something Batman hasn't fought. I know it is nearly impossible to do something totally new, but at least don't use an established Batman villain.

Azrael would have been amazing!

There are other stand-by's that can be brought to the film franchise.

Jiarn said:

Azrael would have been amazing!

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Agreed.

Love me some Vincent Price, not even gonna lie....

Dave said:

Here's what I want to know:

Why does it even HAVE to be a known villain? I realize the fan service behind having someone familiar but these sort of things always seem to occur when they do this. Why not make an entirely NEW villain that Batman hasn't met a thousand times and bring them in? You know what I'd like to see? A guy a lot like Batman, just evil. Imagine another guy with seemingly unlimited resources and brilliance then take away his aversion to killing.

He could even dress exactly like the Batman to confuse the authorities and make an enemy out of him. Why always have to retread old paths?

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Because Batman's rogues gallery is almost as popular as he is. He has some of the best known villains in comic history and it would come off as pretentious to suggest that a director/screenwriter could come up with something that one, wasn't a variation on an already existing Batman villain, and two better than any other Batman villain. I really don't think Dark Knight would've been better with just a random new psychopath badguy for Batman to run up against when you have the Joker as his established nemesis. I think Nolan tried what you are suggesting in Batman Begins by using Ra's al Gul and Scarecrow. Both are established Batman villains who the mainstream public didn't really know much about.

Which movie do you remember more, the one with the well known character or the one with the little known character?

But I will also point out that, Nolan is doing a little of both in the new one. He's giving us the long time established Catwoman and the barely known Bane. I am frankly a little disappointed in the choice of Bane (a character created from a Legends of the Dark Night story, whose sole purpose was to fuel a major crossover Summer event for DC's comics) but I am willing to trust Nolan and assume he has good reason for using the character.

Depending on what style of bane they go with, he could very well be what dave is asking for. If played correctly, he could be batman's physical and mental superior.

Dave said:

Hush? Never heard of him. Hmmm. But you get my point. Don't do the same villains we've always seen. Do something Batman hasn't fought. I know it is nearly impossible to do something totally new, but at least don't use an established Batman villain.

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Read up on Hush then. Once you have, you'll suddenly realize that a Hush/Riddler film would have the potential to be better than even The Dark Knight.

AshburnerX said:

Read up on Hush then. Once you have, you'll suddenly realize that a Hush/Riddler film would have the potential to be better than even The Dark Knight.

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As long as it doesn't follow any of the comics. That wikipedia entry makes it out to be a terribly convoluted story.

MindDetective said:

As long as it doesn't follow any of the comics. That wikipedia entry makes it out to be a terribly convoluted story.

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Fair enough. Adaptions of DC works tend to simplify/improve the back stories anyway, as Under the Red Hood demonstrated.

Forget Hush, Dave was describing the Wrath.

I was telling Tegid a few days ago about an approach to Bane I made up knowing very little of the character. Him could be a young man (or even a teenager) from the slums, extremely intelligent and quite fit, but with a terrible life, a drug addiction and feeling grief stricken from his parent's death by some criminal.
He becomes the first Robin, and everything seems to be working fine until he starts using lethal force to kill Gotham's criminals and abusing an experimental drug that gives him incredible stamina and pain tollerance. Batman's justice and his own collide, and he decides he has to get rid of Bats to really bring justice to Gotham and avoid anything like what had happened to his parents to happen again. This way we have an "evil" batman who is as intelligent as Bruce, or even more, stronger than him and bent on his destruction. And that is actively plotting to kill him.

Silver Jelly said:

I was telling Tegid a few days ago about an approach to Bane I made up knowing very little of the character. Him could be a young man (or even a teenager) from the slums, extremely intelligent and quite fit, but with a terrible life, a drug addiction and feeling grief stricken from his parent's death by some criminal.
He becomes the first Robin, and everything seems to be working fine until he starts using lethal force to kill Gotham's criminals and abusing an experimental drug that gives him incredible stamina and pain tollerance. Batman's justice and his own collide, and he decides he has to get rid of Bats to really bring justice to Gotham and avoid anything like what had happened to his parents to happen again. This way we have an "evil" batman who is as intelligent as Bruce, or even more, stronger than him and bent on his destruction. And that is actively plotting to kill him.

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Jason Todd called... he was crying... it's it enough that he got killed by popular vote then resurrected by emo-Superboy punches?! Now you also give his whole stick to a drug addict luchador too.

Luchadores are cooler than Jason Todd any day of the week.

I was hoping for some Mad Hatter action.

Imagine Steve Buschemi.

ThatNickGuy said:

I was hoping for some Mad Hatter action.

Imagine Steve Buschemi.

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Nice call.

I would actually like Black Mask, a lot. Stupendously intelligent, machiavellian crime boss with no face. The only problem is they just did Two-Face, and I'm not sure who they could get to do a good Black Mask. John Malkovich, maybe?

ThatNickGuy said:

I was hoping for some Mad Hatter action.

Imagine Steve Buschemi.

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Oh, damn.

Steve Buscemi owns