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Interesting.....

AMC? weak

Looks like I will be watching AMC now... and skeeting in my pants.

I dont care where they show it. I have been wanting to a see a zombie tv series for ages! The Walking Dead is fantastic and would love to see it as a regular tv series.

:zombie:

Fuck, does Kirkman just take the first deal he can find? Those awful Spike Battle Pope flash toons and the even worse MTV Invincible "motion" comics should have fucking taught him something. I love his work, but God damn.

And why fucking AMC? They're as bad as TBS for censorship.

American Movie Classics died a long, long time ago.

So it's only natural they'd go into zombie content.

-Adam

Well, AMC has Mad Men running on it, and that is one of my favorite shows out there right now. So really, not totally weak.

Does AMC run Breaking Bad censored in the US? I know here it's barely coherent through the silent-out censorship.

And shit, the other night they played Commando and cut out almost all of the rad violence.

AMC? weak

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The network that brought us Mad Men and Breaking Bad is weak? AMC is close to being the new HBO.

Frankie said:

And why fucking AMC? They're as bad as TBS for censorship.

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For a basic cable station, AMC is fantastic with censorship for their original series - they actually allow swearing. Sure, when it's aired it's blanked out, but once it's released on DVD, that doesn't matter any more.

Yeah. I haven't seen Mad Men, but I hear a lot of good stuff about it. Isn't there a second AMC show someone here was touting as awesome about a guy dealing drugs?

Yeah, Breaking Bad with the dad from Malcolm in the Middle Brian Cranston.

The ultimate question. Do they dare make it in B&W?

regardless, I am pleased by this news.

Reboneer said:

AMC? weak

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The network that brought us Mad Men and Breaking Bad is weak? AMC is close to being the new HBO.

Frankie said:

And why fucking AMC? They're as bad as TBS for censorship.

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For a basic cable station, AMC is fantastic with censorship for their original series - they actually allow swearing. Sure, when it's aired it's blanked out, but once it's released on DVD, that doesn't matter any more.

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Cat, what's your problem with AMC's original series content?

I don't believe AMC will air content one would expect from the comic series.

Cat said:

I don't believe AMC will air content one would expect from the comic series.

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Have you seen Mad Men and/or Breaking Bad?

I've seen a couple episodes of Breaking Bad a while ago. Seemed interesting but not something I'd bother watching on AMC.

At least it has a fighting chance on AMC. If it were ABC, CBS, NBC, USA, MTV or SciFi it would be garbage.

I'm semi excited about this. Breaking bad is great and I've only heard good things about mad men. The director is hit or miss with me, but mostly hits. Hopeful optimism would probably be a more accurate discription I guess.

Cat said:

I don't believe AMC will air content one would expect from the comic series.

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unless you only expect b level horror with extreme gore a la jellied intestines, etc, amc will do fine. And yes, while that can be fun, it not completely necessary. Of all the networks, i am glad AMC has it, only thing better would be hbo.

WD is my fav comic book series... it's one of the few comics I actually go out and make a point of buying every month. I'm hopeful, but cautious.

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Cat said:

I don't believe AMC will air content one would expect from the comic series.

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unless you only expect b level horror with extreme gore a la jellied intestines, etc, amc will do fine. And yes, while that can be fun, it not completely necessary. Of all the networks, i am glad AMC has it, only thing better would be hbo.

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Damn, I didn't think of that. Why didn't HBO pick up this series?

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AMC? weak

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This.

Unless they plan to air it uncut, it's going to suck.

Half of the cool factory aside from the great characters and wtfmoments in Walking Dead is A) the violence and B) the dialogue

AMC may be a cable station but they still can't say a lot of certain words that are considered profanity

Nor would they be able to truly show us the zombie loving gore Kirkman piles into his book

This would have been perfect on HBO or Showtime (imagine this as a lead in to True Blood or Dexter)

*sigh* I mean yea most of us fans will still watch it but seriously, it's going to be watered down zombies and the humans that interact with them

What makes good TV is a good story. Period. Sure, lots of things can ruin that, but lack of profanity is not one of those things. Though I can't be too surprised at your comments, Mav. You still like Heroes.

more blood, tits, and fucks automatically make a work better, this is a proven fact

Charlie Dont Surf said:

more blood, *, and fucks automatically make a work better, this is a proven fact

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And if it's a bloody tit that says fuck it's a win.

wait a minute, I just realized I'm not 13



now banging that 15 year old last night is a problem

MindDetective said:

What makes good TV is a good story. Period. Sure, lots of things can ruin that, but lack of profanity is not one of those things. Though I can't be too surprised at your comments, Mav. You still like Heroes.

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It's not just profanity dude.

The zombie gore is going to be minimal. Only slightly above what you could see on network tv.

Airing it on AMC affects everything from profanity, to the violence, to the gore and to the nudity.

Seriously, how many PG-13 zombie movies are there that have been good?

Imagine an ongoing pg-13 zombie show based on one great comic book..

Besides the zombie gore, which doesn't matter that much (though it needs to look good, some of the shots from the first issue such as the almost totally rotten body outside of the hospital would be awesomely disturbing) what does matter more is the interactions between the human characters. The often extremely brutal way the survivors treat one another. The comic is extremely brutal and yes, I do think it would hurt the series overall to be toned down. The comic's human on human violence is waaaaaaay more eerie and disturbing than the random zombie shit.

I would definitely rather the show be on Showtime or HBO.

You would be amazed what they can get away with on cable though. I think that they can do a great show with it on AMC, and I am definitely optimistic.

That's my main issue with AMC though, the channel won't even play over the top goofy ass violence like that in Commando without cutting it to shreds.

Frankie said:

That's my main issue with AMC though, the channel won't even play over the top goofy ass violence like that in Commando without cutting it to shreds.

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They edit those movies once, down to PG, and then play them whenever the fuck they want.

They play their original series at night, and rate them MA, and get away with a fuckton of HBO-level stuff on Mad Men and Breaking Bad.

The slasher TV show on CBS(C-B-S!) had as its first kill a dude get cut in half graphically, spitting up blood, then showed both halves with blood and bones/guts jutting out of each. American TV can push violence barriers all it wants, even cable. If the pilot comes out and it has less death than the A-Team, then rage away, but until then, it's reasonable to say that there's no reason to think this is gonna be neutered.

I am just happy that something of this quality is being considered. It gives me hope that not all of the entertainment industry is a lost cause.

Oh YES!

I have no idea what AMC censors or not, but as long as Kirkman has a say on what goes on in the series, I'm fucking PSYCHED.

Charlie Dont Surf said:

Frankie said:

That's my main issue with AMC though, the channel won't even play over the top goofy a** violence like that in Commando without cutting it to shreds.

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They edit those movies once, down to PG, and then play them whenever the smurf they want.

They play their original series at night, and rate them MA, and get away with a fuckton of HBO-level stuff on Mad Men and Breaking Bad.

The slasher TV show on CBS(C-B-S!) had as its first kill a dude get cut in half graphically, spitting up blood, then showed both halves with blood and bones/guts jutting out of each. American TV can push violence barriers all it wants, even cable. If the pilot comes out and it has less death than the A-Team, then rage away, but until then, it's reasonable to say that there's no reason to think this is gonna be neutered.

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Agreed. The old movies that you are all whining about, those were cut and censored for tv way back then. Original cable programming gets away with a hell of a lot.

But they censor both Breaking Bad and Mad Men during their timeslot. At least they do here in Canada, which is fucked considering Canadian networks often don't bother with censorship.

Eh, if it gets a censored first run, I'll bitch about it and end up buying it on DVD anyways. Whatever.

Look... it's going to be censored somewhat at the very least. I think the main issue is going to be how much gets censored and if they are going to do any rewrites that drastically affect the story ([spoiler:2m6tuqs8]Like the Climax of the Prison Assault[/spoiler:2m6tuqs8]). I'm also somewhat worried about what will happen once the show catches up to the comic, as I don't want to see fucking filler episodes in a show about the Zombie Apocalypse.

They could leave the protagonists alone for some time and create another group of survivors somewhere else (They are killed in the end)

Cog said:

They could leave the protagonists alone for some time and create another group of survivors somewhere else (They are killed in the end)

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I suppose if they were going to do filler, it could be about Morgan and Duane from Rick's neighborhood. We only got a very brief look into their existance once Rick left [spoiler:3fnblzwd]and we never do see how Duane gets infected.[/spoiler:3fnblzwd] That could probably be 3-4 episodes at least. We could also get an episode or two about Andrew the inmate, whom we never actually learn the fate of.

You know, they could really pad at the show by showing various flashbacks to their lives before the Outbreak, like they do with the survivors in Lost.

Shannow said:

Agreed. The old movies that you are all whining about, those were cut and censored for tv way back then. Original cable programming gets away with a hell of a lot.

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Every other movie channel plays them as they are while AMC is reluctant to go beyond the tv-14 rating even for their original programming.

I think we really need to get ready for the fact that the only thing that the show and comic will have in common is character names and general concept. Certain characters and story lines won't test well, or some characters will be merged to cut costs or something and the story will be reworked to fit TV audiences better. Don't expect them to use the comic as a story board like the sin city movie.

I still have hopes that it will be good, even though it will certainly be different.

Cat said:

Shannow said:

Agreed. The old movies that you are all whining about, those were cut and censored for tv way back then. Original cable programming gets away with a * of a lot.

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Every other movie channel plays them as they are while AMC is reluctant to go beyond the tv-14 rating even for their original programming.

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I see nothing wrong with how both Breaking bad or Mad Men is done on AMC.

I love walking dead, and I can easily see how it will be done for cable. Charlie said it best earlier with folks love of swearing and gore for the sake of them.

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phil said:

I think we really need to get ready for the fact that the only thing that the show and comic will have in common is character names and general concept. Certain characters and story lines won't test well, or some characters will be merged to cut costs or something and the story will be reworked to fit TV audiences better. Don't expect them to use the comic as a story board like the sin city movie.

I still have hopes that it will be good, even though it will certainly be different.

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This, as well. Following main story points, but it will msot likely be its own beast.

Cat said:

Shannow said:

Agreed. The old movies that you are all whining about, those were cut and censored for tv way back then. Original cable programming gets away with a hell of a lot.

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Every other movie channel plays them as they are while AMC is reluctant to go beyond the tv-14 rating even for their original programming.

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You are completely wrong in every word in this sentence. TBS/TNT/Spike/USA censor down to the same level AMC does. And AMC's original programming(those two shows) are rated TV-MA.

edit: take that back, they are 14. That's uh. Kind of shocking I guess, since they both have really graphic stuff and really mature/fucked up storylines. Oh well.

Eh, people just want intense gore, excessive use of the word fuck, and a lot of nudity. Though these are not all together necessary for a good story, I guess if it isnt "edgy" its not worth it.

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Cog said:

They could leave the protagonists alone for some time and create another group of survivors somewhere else (They are killed in the end)

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I suppose if they were going to do filler, it could be about Morgan and Duane from Rick's neighborhood. We only got a very brief look into their existance once Rick left [spoiler:2a3wkg0u]and we never do see how Duane gets infected.[/spoiler:2a3wkg0u] That could probably be 3-4 episodes at least. We could also get an episode or two about Andrew the inmate, whom we never actually learn the fate of.

You know, they could really pad at the show by showing various flashbacks to their lives before the Outbreak, like they do with the survivors in Lost.

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Yeah, or they could just flesh out each of the characters in standalone episodes. Do what BSG would occasionally do and pair a small character-development arc with a single crisis that can be resolved in one episode. Most of what we know about many of the characters in the comics, we learn in 1-2 panels, and it only sometimes gets fleshed out beyond that. But considering that each hardcover of The Walking Dead takes a year to come out, more or less, I think you could get away with each hardcover being equal to a season. Seasons could go like this:

Season 1: Settlement outside of Atlanta/Hershel's Farm
Season 2: The Prison
Season 3: Discovery of Woodbury/ Prison Battle
Season 4: Current arc

So maybe you'd have to squeeze hardcovers 3 and 4 into a single season for it to make dramatic sense (you could try stretching it out over two seasons, but that would probably drag pacing-wise), and each time you finish a season, it takes a year. So that would mean that another 10-12 issues of the comic would be out by this point. Assuming that 12 issues = 1 Season except for 25-47, and assuming that they manage to put out 9 issues of the comic a year (they usually put out 10, but let's lowball it), that's 13 seasons before the show manages to catch up with the comic.

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Eh, people just want intense gore, excessive use of the word fuck, and a lot of nudity. Though these are not all together necessary for a good story, I guess if it isnt "edgy" its not worth it.

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fuck 12 Angry Men, they didn't show the murder in slow-mo with a rock song playing and blood spurting everywhere or have a steamy sex scene with Juror #8 and his wife after the trial. Wait hold on, let me fix this movie

Juror #9: Hey... what's your fucking name?
Juror #8: Davis, motherfucker.
Juror #9: My fucking name's McCardle.
[pause]
Juror #9: Well, so fucking long.
Juror #8: So long, dickshits.

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maybe then it would have won best screenplay :smug:

Shannow said:

Eh, people just want intense gore, excessive use of the word fuck, and a lot of nudity. Though these are not all together necessary for a good story, I guess if it isnt "edgy" its not worth it.

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Walking Dead could easily pull off its survival drama without swearing/tits, but won't someone think of the zombies?

Cat said:

Shannow said:

Eh, people just want intense gore, excessive use of the word smurf, and a lot of nudity. Though these are not all together necessary for a good story, I guess if it isnt "edgy" its not worth it.

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Walking Dead could easily pull off its survival drama without swearing/*, but won't someone think of the zombies?

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Hahahahahaha.

I LOVE swearing tits.

For those worried about violence/gore being censored, go take a look at Breaking Bad, they get away with a lot. The from the second episode for instance, or the turtle scene from season 2.