Export thread

So I wanna get into a big mmo while I wait for Star Trek Online and Stargate Worlds, WoW is obviously biggest so I'll give this carebear grindfest a shot.

How much does it cost to buy the original game + burning crusade + wrath of the lich king? can I buy all these online, ala I download the 10 day trial of WoW then simply buy them online and download or do I need to purchase the actual game boxes?

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/index.xml

Try the Demo. Buy from them.

Yea I get that part but can I buy it online?

Like ok, for example;

I download the free demo, when my 10 days runs out, I simply sign up a paid account and my demo client becomes a full version client via downloading the content? Or will I need the game discs for BC and WotWK?

Yeah, you can buy it online from them. That's what I meant with the second half of my earlier post

http://www.blizzard.com/store/

The Demo won't simply upgrade since it's a very lightweight thing. It only downloads the content as you need it rather than installing the whole game. So it'd be a massive download and you might be better off buying it at a store for the discs if that's a concern for you

-- Wed Jun 03, 2009 6:20 pm --

Shit. wait. That looks rather like they'd ship the discs to you. I don't know.

I bought all the WoW games online, as downloadable content.

I don't know what Gruebeard is going on about, but WoW is basically your standard World of Warcraft. It is the ENTIRE game, as if you bought the original, with no expansions, and downloaded the patches for it. All that's limited is trading, mailing, and how long you can play.

Buy the full game. You can then play Burning Crusade as a demo, but there's no reason as it doesn't affect your time with it. After buying WoW, there's nothing for it to download. So you go to Account Management in the WoW site and upgrade to Burning Crusade.

Another lengthy download ensues. Then installation and patching. When this is finished, you will have Burning Crusade.

I'd stop there if I were you, because Lich King's content doesn't kick in until level 55 (whereas with Burning Crusade you at least get two new races, so it's still worth it if you're just starting.) Once you get that high, Lich King can give you the Death Knight class. Level 70 gives you the new continent. Sidenote: Lich King's download is the cleanest, most pain-free of the three downloads. I guess after four years, Blizzard learned how to do it conveniently. It goes quickly. Then there's more patching... and then you're done!

The time difference between installing WoW via download and via disc is not very large.

escushion said:

I don't know what Gruebeard is going on about, but WoW is basically your standard World of Warcraft. It is the ENTIRE game, as if you bought the original, with no expansions, and downloaded the patches for it. All that's limited is trading, mailing, and how long you can play.

Click to expand...

I'm just saying the demo doesn't download any content until you access it. You can access it all, you just have to wait for a region to download the first time you enter it, for example.

So the demo isn't simply unlocked when you buy the full version.

Gruebeard said:

escushion said:

I don't know what Gruebeard is going on about, but WoW is basically your standard World of Warcraft. It is the ENTIRE game, as if you bought the original, with no expansions, and downloaded the patches for it. All that's limited is trading, mailing, and how long you can play.

Click to expand...

I'm just saying the demo doesn't download any content until you access it. You can access it all, you just have to wait for a region to download the first time you enter it, for example.

So the demo isn't simply unlocked when you buy the full version.

Click to expand...

Since when? When I did the trial, it let me into anywhere in Azeroth. I also use the trial link whenever I need to download WoW again, and it hasn't gotten any smaller in file size.

In fact, that wouldn't make sense because Blizzard even advertises it as a basically "seamless" world. Having the person trying it out have to stop and let the game download each section wouldn't make any sense.

hmm. They've changed it on me then.

Screw Star Trek.

Champions is where it's at.

Screw all other MMOs, SWGEmu is where its at.

Screw all MMOs. Single Player Western RPGs is where it's at.


...What? :-P

Screw Single Player Western RPGs.

Solitaire is where it's at.

Y'know, over the past few months, I'm pretty sure FreeCell is the game I've spent most time with. :-(

Yeah. I've been playing a lot of Mahjong recently.

Gruebeard said:

hmm. They've changed it on me then.

Click to expand...

This is, however, how LotRO's trial works.

Yea.... I had hoped they had bumped the XP rate.. It took me like 4 hours to reach lvl 5. Not because I killed slowly but the fact the mobs are so fucking scattered...

I wanted to get a heal priest rolling but i really dont wanna have to do instances to lvl him nor do i wish to run shadow spec till lvl X then respec..

Warrior is ok but ugh still kinda slow.. maybe dual spec weapons will help.. Might try Hunter or Warlock since they seem to solo pretty well with their pets.

I'd kill for some kind of potion or buff to increase movement speed.. this running ten miles back and forth for a quest that gives me a measly 1 silver is sad

Though on the plus side, even 5 years later it's still a beautiful game. I don't think I've seen an MMO with a city that rivals IronForge, maybe maybe Paragon City in CoH.

They have bumped the XP rate... after level 20. Level 1-20 is still the same as always. Not sure why it took four hours to hit level 5 though. Your starter quests for any race/class should get you level 5 within an hour and a half. Were you just killing things and not doing the quests?

Yea.... I had hoped they had bumped the XP rate.. It took me like 4 hours to reach lvl 5. Not because I killed slowly but the fact the mobs are so fucking scattered...

I wanted to get a heal priest rolling but i really dont wanna have to do instances to lvl him nor do i wish to run shadow spec till lvl X then respec..

Warrior is ok but ugh still kinda slow.. maybe dual spec weapons will help.. Might try Hunter or Warlock since they seem to solo pretty well with their pets.

I'd kill for some kind of potion or buff to increase movement speed.. this running ten miles back and forth for a quest that gives me a measly 1 silver is sad

Though on the plus side, even 5 years later it's still a beautiful game. I don't think I've seen an MMO with a city that rivals IronForge, maybe maybe Paragon City in CoH.

Click to expand...

if it takes you 4 hours to get lvl 5 then (speaking as someone who has leveled in all the start zones) it's just lack of practice.

however, they have bumped the exp rate. it just kicks in at lvl 20, is all.

here are some tips:

1. get questhelper. not having to dick around with finding stuff really helps.
2. warriors dont get any faster
3. you wont get anything in the way of increased speed until level 30 with your mount. sorry.

what server are you on?

escushion said:

They have bumped the XP rate... after level 20. Level 1-20 is still the same as always. Not sure why it took four hours to hit level 5 though. Your starter quests for any race/class should get you level 5 within an hour and a half. Were you just killing things and not doing the quests?

Click to expand...

well, he is a noob. i dont think i was much faster the first time through.

ive done a few quests to make money as needed for trains/armor/weapons but past that ive been sticking to the tried and true method of mass grinding..

i'm not even sure i'll stick with warrior.. from what ive seen every class seems to only be good at one or two main builds and that's it, not much in the way of variety. my choices are your generic tank, dps, healer, glass cannon, etc

my favorite class to play in mmo's has always been a healer class due to the balls-to-the-walls action it takes to keep a party alive in PvP but..i dont have the time to dedicate to doing the latter game content, those raids that last hours and hours, repeating them over and over in hopes of getting a piece of high level gear..

right now whatever i pick, i'm stuck to lvl 20 and below on my trial, i can't activate my paid account till thursday when i get paid. so i wont really be able to get too too far, granted i doubt i'd have the time in the next 3-4 days to do 20 lvls but still, imma kinda fiddle around..see what I like, class wise.

WoW is a game you need to do quests for to advance. Grinding isn't gonna get you anywhere, because the amount of exp you get per kill doesn't advance a great deal even as enemy levels increase until you hit Outland, and again when you hit Northrend.

Yea.. I'm like ready to claw my eyes out already..

I'm farming junk to sell, to gain all of 10 silver, to go train my Staff skill on my Warlock

i dont even know if its ok but fuck me, those little knives they get suck balls.. That and I wanna see a really huge staff on a tiny little Gnome (fuck Horde..)

Your staff and knife's difference for a caster is really only going to depend on the stat bonuses you'll get, not for melee. Although staves do tend to give some nice caster bonuses, you may want the knife ones (warlock knives, not rogue knives) depending on your spec.

As with exp, questing is best to get money, at least until late in the game when you can get items worth selling, and I mean to other players, not to shops. Basically, quest, quest, quest if you're looking to get anywhere in WoW. Questing is even faster than instancing generally unless you have a really good group and you're at the right level for the particular instance.

well lvling seems a bit faster with my Warlock. I did the quest for the little Imp pet and so far he cuts off like 1/3rd of my time grinding..

as for questing..i wouldnt mind if the run speed wasn't so slow how is it a Night Elf, who is like 7 feet tall, runs the same speed as a Gnome who's like 2 feet tall.. their leg spans are so fucking different..

Mav said:

well lvling seems a bit faster with my Warlock. I did the quest for the little Imp pet and so far he cuts off like 1/3rd of my time grinding..

as for questing..i wouldnt mind if the run speed wasn't so slow how is it a Night Elf, who is like 7 feet tall, runs the same speed as a Gnome who's like 2 feet tall.. their leg spans are so fucking different..

Click to expand...

The run speed is irrelevant; you waste more time sitting around grinding mobs than just running to do the quests. The quests are built to get you levels. Doing the first 15 quests of an area, combining the quest experience with what you'll kill doing the quests, is designed so you'll hit lvl 6 by the time you leave the very first area of the starter region.

warlocks and hunters are easy and fast at lvling. also you need to learn which spells to use and in what order to reduce time/maximize your damage.

always have demon skin on. first send your imp/voidwalker when you get him. cast immolate, then corruption, then curse of agony. then if you aggro just wack away while the DOTS go to town or cast shadow bolt if they haven't run up on you yet. rinse repeat, until lvl 20 :tongue:

Yea I've got a couple of those spells. I've got Demon Skin at rank 2 which is nice, Shadow Bolt at rank 2 and I think it's Curse of Agony, the 84 pt dot over 21 seconds. Current pet is the Imp BUT I'm in the middle of doing the quest tree for the Voidwalker which lemme tell ya is just lame... I mean if I didn't already know to take the train from Ironforge to Stormwind, I'd never know to get the quest there..

I don't mind the travel so much as I do the return trip... the recast timer on the Hearthstone is stupid.. Tell me as I level there are items or spells or tradeskill items I can buy/make to return to whichever Inn I am bound to? Not so bad if its just a fedex to point A to point B but if it's A-B-A-B or something...god that gets old.

I still wanna know how the hell a Warlock can out level a Warrior..my lvl 7 warrior has much superior health, armor and weapons compared to the lvl 10 warlock but having a pet seems to make a world of difference..

Mav said:

I don't mind the travel so much as I do the return trip... the recast timer on the Hearthstone is stupid.. Tell me as I level there are items or spells or tradeskill items I can buy/make to return to whichever Inn I am bound to? Not so bad if its just a fedex to point A to point B but if it's A-B-A-B or something...god that gets old.

Click to expand...

Hearthstone used to be an hour up until just the most recent patch. Shaman and their Astral Recall are uber if that's still too long for you.

You can also take up Inscription (and Herbalism for the materials) to make Scroll of Recall which is a 1-time use hearthstone that uses really cheep materials. Inscription is also a really simple tradeskill that yields some good off-hand caster items (which means you'll want to stick with daggers instead of staffs)

Fed-Ex quests are pretty atrocious in Pre-BC (aka 'Vanilla WoW'), many of them really aren't worth the time, but most leveling guides will have you pick up the ones that are convenient. Grab the addon TourGuide, as well as Lightheaded, DoubleWide, and TomTom to make questing a hell of a lot easier, cutting out all the really annoying quests.

You still have to do your class-quests, and Warlocks are some of the worst, but definately not -the- worst. Look to Horde Shaman for those.

Mav said:

I still wanna know how the * a Warlock can out level a Warrior..my lvl 7 warrior has much superior health, armor and weapons compared to the lvl 10 warlock but having a pet seems to make a world of difference..

Click to expand...

Ranged damage, basically. Warriors, which able to charge some of the time, still have to run around to everything they want to kill, while warlocks can jog to the middle of an area and bring everything around to them to make a nice pile of corpses. Each kill may take the same time, but since you're immediately engaging the next mob and not spending time running over to it, it takes less time in the end.
This is why Hunters are THE fastest levelers as not only can they kill stuff at range, they can auto-shot even when out of mana, so they're constantly killing things. Add in a run-speed buff and off they go.
In fact, warlocks are the ONLY class that has no means of moving from place to place faster.

Paladins: ret spec gives 15% movement speed, plus 20% riding speed aura
Hunters: BM spec gives 15% riding speed, plus 30% run speed aura
Druids: feral spec gives permanent 30% run speed in cat form and 40% run speed in travel form
Death Knight: Unholy spec gives 15% movement speed
Shaman: Wolf form gives 40% run speed
Rogues: Assassin spec gives 15% run speed, Sprint at 50-70% speed every 2-3 minutes
Mage: Blink
Priest: Bubble can be glyphed to give sprint speed for a few seconds
Warrior: can charge critters

Warlocks do get their lvl 30 and 60 mounts for free, more or less, but that's it, unless I'm forgetting something

If you are in the low lvl area, go kill wolves outside of Ironforge. A stack of stringy wolf meat goes for around 1 gold. Get a Auction House Mod, use it to find out what different things are worth. Buy a common gray shirt for 30s and sell it on the AH for 3g. There is a lot of ways to make money at low lvls. You just have to research.

Shawnacy said:

Screw Star Trek.

Champions is where it's at.

Click to expand...

Glad open Beta is finally starting soon. I really wish I had gotten into closed though.

Generally Warriors are slow because you don't start really ripping into the damage until 20-30+. Also you have no way to escape/heal save running until 75 or so. They're tough to level at first but are my favorite form of DPS.