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WoW: New Race Leak

Jul 17, 2009#1

ScytheRexx

This is for all my fellow WoW players that may not have seen this. This was discovered by Handclaw, a poster on one of the lore boards I visit for WarCraft.

It seems while he was datamining the new PTR, he noticed some new textures were added to the game. They were new "masks" for the Hallow's End yearly world event. In case those don't remember, these masks are just flat models with the face texture of one of the playable races stretched over it, both male and female. Here is what Handclaw found.

Seems we will be having Goblins and Worgen next expansion.

Jul 17, 2009#2

Shannow

people have been datamining shit every patch. take it with a grain of salt.

Jul 17, 2009#3

Singularity.EXE

Ye Gods, I would play that game again so hard if I could play either. I've been saying since Pre-BC that the next race should be these two specifically. I hope it be true.

Jul 17, 2009#4

Looks like Fiona from Shrek.

Jul 17, 2009#5

ScytheRexx

Shannow said:
people have been datamining poop every patch. take it with a grain of salt.

Not sure what point you are making? Obviously people Datamine every patch, that does not make these textures any less valid as a race leak.
Just an FYI, but Blizzard only makes Hallow's End masks based on playable races, they added four in BC (BE Male, BE Female, Draenei Male, Draenei Female) in the main patch before the expansion was released, these just leaked far earlier.

Jul 17, 2009#6

Shakey

They could just be masks though. Goblins are pretty neutral so I wouldn't think they would make a good playable race.

Jul 17, 2009#7

elph

Edrondol said:
Looks like Fiona from Shrek.

I agree. I see more of an Ogre here then a Goblin.

Either way, it would be cool to play a worgen, but the race never made the game for me. The mechanics did. And if they make these, you're still doing the same thing as any other races are.

I can see them doing this as only a Halloween event thing. Having a mask of 2 of the most hyped races doesn't mean they're going to make them playable. I wouldn't be surprised to see a Pandarien mask soon too.

Jul 17, 2009#8

Shannow

ScytheRexx said:
Shannow said:

people have been datamining poop every patch. take it with a grain of salt.

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Not sure what point you are making? Obviously people Datamine every patch, that does not make these textures any less valid as a race leak.
Just an FYI, but Blizzard only makes Hallow's End masks based on playable races, they added four in BC (BE Male, BE Female, Draenei Male, Draenei Female) in the main patch before the expansion was released, these just leaked far earlier.

But liek was pointed out, these could be used for anything. i take what people data mine out of patches with a grain of salt, becasue they may or may not be used, or used in a completely different way than expected. Thats all.

Jul 17, 2009#9

Gadzooks

Blizzard knows everyone datamines the shit out of their patches. Why would they leak something like this so soon, when we know theres still gonna be a 3.3, maybe 3.4, and they haven't announced a new expansion yet?

They could simply be new masks going away from the norm of "only playable races". Since the past 2 years have been exactly the same for the holiday, has it not?

Jul 17, 2009#10

Shannow

Exactly. it could be playable, or it may not be. Hence why I said...take it with a grain of salt.

Jul 17, 2009#11

elph

They could also be reward masks based on achievements / quests.

Jul 17, 2009#12

Shannow

yup.

Jul 17, 2009#13

ScytheRexx

You guys don't seem to be understanding me.

Right now, only 20 masks exist in the game. All of them are of playable races. The last time masks were added to the game was in BC, when they added the Blood Elf and Draenei masks. They have dozens and dozens of creatures they can turn into masks, like Ghouls, Skeletons, Abominations, Gnolls, even Ogres. They don't add them because the purpose of the mask during the event is to only represent the playables, so thus why these masks are pretty much a leak.

This would also explain the "Worgen Scandal" that happened a few weeks ago also, in which Blizzard learned a Worgen was tamable by hunters and immediately did everything they could to remove it from usefulness. They have not done that for any other bugged pet, including the ghost wolf, AQ slime, etc... The Worgen however was a very big deal for some reason.

Could these masks be just for the event? I don't see why. Goblin have nothing to do with Hallow's End, and the Worgen "textures" are obviously new and unique, something Blizzard would not do for simple masks. Blizzard didn't even make female Tuskarr or Taunka this expansion, I don't think they would make a female Worgen just for a random face mask people would see once a year.

Jul 17, 2009#14

Shannow

We completely understand you. We get it. We read what you put an comprehended it.

And all we are saying is that it may not be, and it could be anything else at this point. No purpose in flat out saying "This is the new race!" at this time from a little data mining. Good to see that it might be, but it also may not be.

Jul 17, 2009#15

elph

ScytheRexx said:
You guys don't seem to be understanding me.

Right now, only 20 masks exist in the game. All of them are of playable races. The last time masks were added to the game was in BC, when they added the Blood Elf and Draenei masks. They have dozens and dozens of creatures they can turn into masks, like Ghouls, Skeletons, Abominations, Gnolls, even Ogres. They don't add them because the purpose of the mask during the event is to only represent the playables, so thus why these masks are pretty much a leak.

This would also explain the "Worgen Scandal" that happened a few weeks ago also, in which Blizzard learned a Worgen was tamable by hunters and immediately did everything they could to remove it from usefulness. They have not done that for any other bugged pet, including the ghost wolf, AQ slime, etc... The Worgen however was a very big deal for some reason.

Could these masks be just for the event? I don't see why. Goblin have nothing to do with Hallow's End, and the Worgen "textures" are obviously new and unique, something Blizzard would not do for simple masks. Blizzard didn't even make female Tuskarr or Taunka this expansion, I don't think they would make a female Worgen just for a random face mask people would see once a year.

We're understanding what you're saying. However, many things Blizzard has "done / never done" have now changed. Because of that, faith in a simple 'this texture was found' doesn't exsist. They have to keep adding to the events, or the events get dull. So that alone would explain the texture for the masks. The Worgen pet thing could just as easily be that they don't want worgen pets out there. It adds a new supposed class of pet, where the ghost wolf, AQ slime, and few others really don't.

Jul 17, 2009#16

Shakey

But I don't want another green race :angry:

Jul 17, 2009#17

ScytheRexx

I will give you the fact I don't know with 100% certainty, and that things can change. The evidence and the precedent point to them being playable however, so I think for now we can assume they are more then likely playable, rather then not.

They could also be reward masks based on achievements / quests.

They are marked in the models "Halloween" meaning they are for Hallow's End. Blizzard "finalized" Hallow's End last year, so it will not be quest or achievement rewards, nor would they make sense are such rewards. (Goblin's have nothing to do with Hallow's End.)

We're understanding what you're saying. However, many things Blizzard has "done / never done" have now changed. Because of that, faith in a simple 'this texture was found' doesn't exsist. They have to keep adding to the events, or the events get dull. So that alone would explain the texture for the masks.

Not really, because Goblin's have nothing to do with Hallow's End.

The Worgen pet thing could just as easily be that they don't want worgen pets out there. It adds a new supposed class of pet, where the ghost wolf, AQ slime, and few others really don't.

Actually it didn't. The Worgen was representing the "wolf" class of pet and took all the wolf talents, skills, and stats, it never added a new class of pet to the game, and did nothing to alter that gameplay. The only thing was cosmetic, but Blizzard felt that cosmetic change needed to be removed completely, something they had never done for something that was merely cosmetic.

Jul 17, 2009#18

Shannow

Are you really arguing this over some data mining? Wow.

Jul 17, 2009#19

Shakey

Shannow said:
Are you really arguing this over some data mining? Wow.

Are you really arguing this over some data mining? Wow.

Jul 17, 2009#20

Shannow

I know right.

But its more someone being so adamant about it that has me surprised, than anything.

Jul 17, 2009#21

Shakey

Shannow said:
I know right.

But its more someone being so adamant about it that has me surprised, than anything.

And yet you can't let it go either...

Jul 17, 2009#22

elph

Other things Blizzard has *never* done...

Allowed name changes.
Allowed server transfers.
Allowed server transfers to PVP.
Allowed faction changes.
Mounts before level 40.
Mounts before level 30.
Flight before 60.

I see what you're saying, and you are far more knowledgeable in it then I am (I haven't even played the game in 6 months). I'm just saying, Blizzard has "never" done many things with WoW, so my faith that it will be more then just masks, isn't there.

Also, on the note of "goblins have nothing to do with the event." Neither do, humans, orcs, trolls, dwarves, elves, draenei, gnomes, or tauren (other then being another intelligent race with culture). The idea that Blizzard finalized the event maybe true as well, but I point up to to the list of things Blizzard has 'never' done.

Sure, the direction does point that these may indeed be future added races. But then, let's look at what that expansion may be (assuming they're not added in another content patch). In what kind of expansion could we add these 2 as playable races? The worgen storyline is always being played with, so we can accept that they'll be outcasts. But then which side will get which? Goblins lead to more to the horde then to the alliance, and the alliance doesn't really have a 'furry beast' race just as the horde didn't have a 'pretty one' before BC. Also, the horde needs a short people race in lieu of getting the gnomes.

Blizzcon is right around the corner, and it would be likely that they would throw a hint to start gossip on something to do with WoW just before the event. This could be that very clue. Blizzard has a lot of projects (SC2, D3, Unknown new MMO) coming up and they still need to keep interest in WoW.

Jul 17, 2009#23

Chazwozel

ScytheRexx said:
Shannow said:

people have been datamining poop every patch. take it with a grain of salt.

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Not sure what point you are making? Obviously people Datamine every patch, that does not make these textures any less valid as a race leak.
Just an FYI, but Blizzard only makes Hallow's End masks based on playable races, they added four in BC (BE Male, BE Female, Draenei Male, Draenei Female) in the main patch before the expansion was released, these just leaked far earlier.

What makes you think they're not tossing the old formula of 'playable race' masks for something like goblins and worgen? You gotta admit it makes sense for a Halloween event. The Goblins sell tons of shit every holiday. Werewolves and Halloween go together like peanut butter and jelly.

You said it yourself. Blizzard threw in the BE and Dren masks when BC came out. Why would they put new race masks into a patch and not the patch before the new expansion?

Shannow is 100% correct, you can't make any assumptions based off data mining.

Jul 17, 2009#24

Shannow

Shakey said:
And yet you can't let it go either...

And you keep bringing it up. Weird.

But, as Elph says, jsut wait for Blizzcon, and stuff will be hinted/shown then. May jsut be the new races. or they may not be.

Jul 17, 2009#25

Chazwozel

Shakey said:
Shannow said:

I know right.

But its more someone being so adamant about it that has me surprised, than anything.

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And yet you can't let it go either...

I believe he did let it go until Scythx wrote that novel about why his theory based on datamined crap is correct.

-- Fri Jul 17, 2009 9:39 am --

ScytheRexx said:
Actually it didn't. The Worgen was representing the "wolf" class of pet and took all the wolf talents, skills, and stats, it never added a new class of pet to the game, and did nothing to alter that gameplay. The only thing was cosmetic, but Blizzard felt that cosmetic change needed to be removed completely, something they had never done for something that was merely cosmetic.

Worgen are humanoids. I thought you couldn't have humanoid pets?

And while I'd love to see the Greymane Wall open up a new section in an expansion, I hate the idea of Worgen as a playable class. I'd download WoW back in a heartbeat to play drunken Pandas.

Jul 17, 2009#26

elph

[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TA4_Or0IpBs:1ovvrlwk][/youtube:1ovvrlwk]

-- Fri Jul 17, 2009 9:43 am --

Chazwozel said:
ScytheRexx said:

Actually it didn't. The Worgen was representing the "wolf" class of pet and took all the wolf talents, skills, and stats, it never added a new class of pet to the game, and did nothing to alter that gameplay. The only thing was cosmetic, but Blizzard felt that cosmetic change needed to be removed completely, something they had never done for something that was merely cosmetic.

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Worgen are humanoids. I thought you couldn't have humanoid pets?

And while I'd love to see the Greymane Wall open up a new section in an expansion, I hate the idea of Worgen as a playable class. I'd download WoW back in a heartbeat to play drunken Pandas.

That's the thought I had with the 'supposed' new pet type. But it can be argued that like a druid, worgens are shapechangers and when in animal form can be considered beasts. I *think* hunters can beast scare them, but I'm not 100% since I've never tried with my hunter.

Jul 17, 2009#27

Shakey

Shannow said:
Shakey said:

And yet you can't let it go either...

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And you keep bringing it up. Weird.

But, as Elph says, jsut wait for Blizzcon, and stuff will be hinted/shown then. May jsut be the new races. or they may not be.

:humph:

Jul 17, 2009#28

Shannow

Shakey said:
:humph:

Its okay. I still :heart:

you.

Hug it out?

Jul 17, 2009#29

Piotyr

I'm not sure there's an appropriate way to describe the chasm that requires being jumped across to reach the conclusion of "New Race Leak" from "Blizzard has added worgen and goblin masks to Hallow's End".

Jul 17, 2009#30

ScytheRexx

elph said:
Also, on the note of "goblins have nothing to do with the event." Neither do, humans, orcs, trolls, dwarves, elves, draenei, gnomes, or tauren (other then being another intelligent race with culture). The idea that Blizzard finalized the event maybe true as well, but I point up to to the list of things Blizzard has 'never' done.

The issue with the races you mentioned above is they are all playable, which is the point of the masks. Goblins, and NPCs, have nothing to do with the event, they don't even sell stuff during it like they do with Winter's Veil. If Blizzard does decide to make NPC masks, they have much more "Halloween" oriented options they can use, rather then Goblins.

What makes you think they're not tossing the old formula of 'playable race' masks for something like goblins and worgen? You gotta admit it makes sense for a Halloween event. The Goblins sell tons of poop every holiday. Werewolves and Halloween go together like peanut butter and jelly.

They have hundreds of better options for generic masks, for one, and two, Goblins don't sell anything during Hallow's End, you are thinking Winter's Veil, the WoW Christmas, which is half Goblin oriented.

Worgen are humanoids. I thought you couldn't have humanoid pets?

Much like the Ghost Wolf and the AQ Slime, the tame was caused by a bug. There was a wolf in Howling Fjord you could only see while on a quest, when you beat him down to half life he transformed into a Worgen. Someone found out that if you wyvern sting the wolf, then start the tame, by the time it breaks and he turns into his Worgen form he will finish the tame and STAY a Worgen, but have all the stats, skills, talents, and classifications as any wolf you get throughout the game. Blizzard, once they found out about it, completely removed everything from the pet so that people were forced to abandon it. All the old bugged pets, they just stopped the ability to tame them, because Blizzard said "It's just cosmetic, but we don't want further people getting them" (paraphrased), the Worgen was the first time they literally butt-slammed a pet the minute it was found out.

I'm not sure there's an appropriate way to describe the chasm that requires being jumped across to reach the conclusion of "New Race Leak" from "Blizzard has added worgen and goblin masks to Hallow's End".

Do you have a better explanation that actually has a precedent? I would like to hear it. My information has one, whether you wish to believe it is irrelevant.

Jul 17, 2009#31

Shakey

Shannow said:
Shakey said:

:humph:

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Its okay. I still you.

Hug it out?

OK, just don't tell anyone.

Jul 17, 2009#32

Chazwozel

ScytheRexx said:
elph said:

Also, on the note of "goblins have nothing to do with the event." Neither do, humans, orcs, trolls, dwarves, elves, draenei, gnomes, or tauren (other then being another intelligent race with culture). The idea that Blizzard finalized the event maybe true as well, but I point up to to the list of things Blizzard has 'never' done.

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The issue with the races you mentioned above is they are all playable, which is the point of the masks. Goblins, and NPCs, have nothing to do with the event, they don't even sell stuff during it like they do with Winter's Veil. If Blizzard does decide to make NPC masks, they have much more "Halloween" oriented options they can use, rather then Goblins.

What makes you think they're not tossing the old formula of 'playable race' masks for something like goblins and worgen? You gotta admit it makes sense for a Halloween event. The Goblins sell tons of poop every holiday. Werewolves and Halloween go together like peanut butter and jelly.

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They have hundreds of better options for generic masks, for one, and two, Goblins don't sell anything during Hallow's End, you are thinking Winter's Veil, the WoW Christmas, which is half Goblin oriented.

[quote:22hspjmg]Worgen are humanoids. I thought you couldn't have humanoid pets?

I'm not sure there's an appropriate way to describe the chasm that requires being jumped across to reach the conclusion of "New Race Leak" from "Blizzard has added worgen and goblin masks to Hallow's End".

Do you have a better explanation that actually has a precedent? I would like to hear it. My information has one, whether you wish to believe it is irrelevant.[/quote:22hspjmg]

I really think you're wearing blinders to this.

To me it seems like either the NPC's are going to wear masks for Halloween or they're going to release new masks for a new seasonal quest or something. As for the Worgen pet issue. Again. Worgen's are humanoid. Ghost wolf and slime are not.

Goblins have everything to do with Halloween! They're Goblins!

Jul 17, 2009#33

ScytheRexx

Chazwozel said:
I really think you're wearing blinders to this.

I like to think I am coming to a conclusion based on past evidence.

To me it seems like either the NPC's are going to wear masks for Halloween or they're going to release new masks for a new seasonal quest or something. As for the Worgen pet issue. Again. Worgen's are humanoid. Ghost wolf and slime are not.

Hunters can only tame beasts, Ghost Wolf and Slimes are not beasts, one is undead, the other has no classification. The Humanoid classification is irrelevant since none of the pets in question should have been tamable.

As for them just adding them as quests. That still would not explain the fact that the Worgen masks use all new textures, including a female one. Blizzard is not known to add female characters without due reason, notice how half the new races in WoW don't even have female variation? Even the Vykrul had female models added as more of an afterthought, you can't even edit them like you can the male versions. Even before WOTLK, they did this for Arrakoa, Broken, Ogres (Again), Gronn, Ethereals, Fel Orcs, etc... None of them were given females.

I think in the end that is one of the things making me really stress this being playable races, if I just saw Goblin masks and the "generic" worgen texture, I would agree with you. However, these are new textures yet to be seen, one including a female variation of a race without it seeming more like an afterthought and more of a purpose, otherwise Blizzard would just make one generic Worgen mask and be done for the holiday.

Goblins have everything to do with Halloween! They're Goblins!

At this point I am going to assume you never took part in Hallow's End beyond just looking at the decorations? You would know that Goblin don't have a MegaCorp running around. All the candy is given by Innkeepers from any Inn, and not a single hint that the candy is even coming from Goblins, the whole Holiday is a Forsaken Holiday, actually.

Jul 17, 2009#34

Chazwozel

ScytheRexx said:
Chazwozel said:

I really think you're wearing blinders to this.

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I like to think I am coming to a conclusion based on past evidence.

To me it seems like either the NPC's are going to wear masks for Halloween or they're going to release new masks for a new seasonal quest or something. As for the Worgen pet issue. Again. Worgen's are humanoid. Ghost wolf and slime are not.

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Hunters can only tame beasts, Ghost Wolf and Slimes are not beasts, one is undead, the other has no classification. The Humanoid classification is irrelevant since none of the pets in question should have been tamable.

No the Humanoid classification is very relevant, since it's probably for this reason that Blizzard acted so quickly on the bug. They don't want humanoid creatures as 'pets'.

Jul 17, 2009#35

Shannow

And this brings up the "who knows" you get from data mining. Wait it out, see whats announced. As i said, no point in saying right now "Look at the new races!" That is simply silly.

Jul 17, 2009#36

Chazwozel

ScytheRexx said:
Chazwozel said:

I really think you're wearing blinders to this.

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I like to think I am coming to a conclusion based on past evidence.

To me it seems like either the NPC's are going to wear masks for Halloween or they're going to release new masks for a new seasonal quest or something. As for the Worgen pet issue. Again. Worgen's are humanoid. Ghost wolf and slime are not.

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Hunters can only tame beasts, Ghost Wolf and Slimes are not beasts, one is undead, the other has no classification. The Humanoid classification is irrelevant since none of the pets in question should have been tamable.

As for them just adding them as quests. That still would not explain the fact that the Worgen masks use all new textures, including a female one. Blizzard is not known to add female characters without due reason, notice how half the new races in WoW don't even have female variation? Even the Vykrul had female models added as more of an afterthought, you can't even edit them like you can the male versions. Even before WOTLK, they did this for Arrakoa, Broken, Ogres (Again), Gronn, Ethereals, Fel Orcs, etc... None of them were given females.

I think in the end that is one of the things making me really stress this being playable races, if I just saw Goblin masks and the "generic" worgen texture, I would agree with you. However, these are new textures yet to be seen, one including a female variation of a race without it seeming more like an afterthought and more of a purpose, otherwise Blizzard would just make one generic Worgen mask and be done for the holiday.

You're making waaaay too many assumptions on blizzards intentions. For all you know, they're going to completely revamp the Holiday.

Jul 17, 2009#37

elph

ScytheRexx
You're still ignoring some of the points others bring up. Sure, in the past, the masks have always been of player races, but as pointed out, Blizzard ideals change. This can easily just be a way of allowing the players a taste of getting to play the Goblins & Worgen. Something they've wanted for some time.

Let's look at a lore standpoint and go along with the idea that these are future player races. What then? How would it happen?

Goblins would idealy be Horde and Worgen would idealy be Alliance. It would fit because the new 'cool race' would go Alliance and everyone knows Blizzard favors the Alliance...

Goblins control all the neutral towns. I'd assume that would stay the same because Blizzard doesn't ever change past content to keep up with current story lines.

What would bring the Worgen into current events? Blood Elves & Draenei were brought in to fight the burning crusade. Would Gobbos & Worgen just be added in, or has there really been enough lore (theoretically more powerful then Arthas) that would give reason to add in a Worgen epic line?

Jul 17, 2009#38

Jay

Another.... expansion? Already? Geez, with what 2 whole raid zone content?

Blizzard clearly needs MOAR money.

Jul 17, 2009#39

Shannow

elph said:
ScytheRexx
You're still ignoring some of the points others bring up. Sure, in the past, the masks have always been of player races, but as pointed out, Blizzard ideals change. This can easily just be a way of allowing the players a taste of getting to play the Goblins & Worgen. Something they've wanted for some time.

Let's look at a lore standpoint and go along with the idea that these are future player races. What then? How would it happen?

Goblins would idealy be Horde and Worgen would idealy be Alliance. It would fit because the new 'cool race' would go Alliance and everyone knows Blizzard favors the Alliance...

Goblins control all the neutral towns. I'd assume that would stay the same because Blizzard doesn't ever change past content to keep up with current story lines.

What would bring the Worgen into current events? Blood Elves & Draenei were brought in to fight the burning crusade. Would Gobbos & Worgen just be added in, or has there really been enough lore (theoretically more powerful then Arthas) that would give reason to add in a Worgen epic line?

maybe that will be the big thing! Neutral races! You can pick a gob or worgen, and then from there choose what faction you would play it on!

Jul 17, 2009#40

elph

SeriousJay said:
Another.... expansion? Already? Geez, with what 2 whole raid zone content?

Blizzard clearly needs MOAR money.

That's typical time frame for Blizzard, and they've already stated they want to try to get out 1 a year.

-- Fri Jul 17, 2009 10:22 am --

Shannow said:
elph said:

ScytheRexx
You're still ignoring some of the points others bring up. Sure, in the past, the masks have always been of player races, but as pointed out, Blizzard ideals change. This can easily just be a way of allowing the players a taste of getting to play the Goblins & Worgen. Something they've wanted for some time.

Let's look at a lore standpoint and go along with the idea that these are future player races. What then? How would it happen?

Goblins would idealy be Horde and Worgen would idealy be Alliance. It would fit because the new 'cool race' would go Alliance and everyone knows Blizzard favors the Alliance...

Goblins control all the neutral towns. I'd assume that would stay the same because Blizzard doesn't ever change past content to keep up with current story lines.

What would bring the Worgen into current events? Blood Elves & Draenei were brought in to fight the burning crusade. Would Gobbos & Worgen just be added in, or has there really been enough lore (theoretically more powerful then Arthas) that would give reason to add in a Worgen epic line?

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maybe that will be the big thing! Neutral races! You can pick a gob or worgen, and then from there choose what faction you would play it on!

Actually, I hadn't thought of that. That does make sense.

I was thinking it would be weird because in the next expansion, assuming the Gobbos go Horde, there could be no neutral cities. At least, it would be weird to be in a neutral city controlled by gobbos. "These are not the Gobbos you are looking for."

Jul 17, 2009#41

Chazwozel

Shannow said:
elph said:

ScytheRexx
You're still ignoring some of the points others bring up. Sure, in the past, the masks have always been of player races, but as pointed out, Blizzard ideals change. This can easily just be a way of allowing the players a taste of getting to play the Goblins & Worgen. Something they've wanted for some time.

Let's look at a lore standpoint and go along with the idea that these are future player races. What then? How would it happen?

Goblins would idealy be Horde and Worgen would idealy be Alliance. It would fit because the new 'cool race' would go Alliance and everyone knows Blizzard favors the Alliance...

Goblins control all the neutral towns. I'd assume that would stay the same because Blizzard doesn't ever change past content to keep up with current story lines.

What would bring the Worgen into current events? Blood Elves & Draenei were brought in to fight the burning crusade. Would Gobbos & Worgen just be added in, or has there really been enough lore (theoretically more powerful then Arthas) that would give reason to add in a Worgen epic line?

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maybe that will be the big thing! Neutral races! You can pick a gob or worgen, and then from there choose what faction you would play it on!

That would actually...be....really cool....

Jul 17, 2009#42

SpecialKO

Actually, a 3rd faction would be cool, seeing how little the two-faction system really adds to the game except as a player-managing device.

That said, if these are the two new races, all I got to say is "No Pandaren/Naga? BOOO!"

Jul 17, 2009#43

elph

I can also see something like a boosted level choice for them. Give them a phased starting area to tell their story as to why they left their tradition (gobbos being traders / worgen being changed...) to fight along whatever side they choose. Much like the DKs.

It would also make the players happy in creating some alts without having to fight that whole level grind again.

Jul 17, 2009#44

ScytheRexx

Chazwozel said:
No the Humanoid classification is very relevant, since it's probably for this reason that Blizzard acted so quickly on the bug. They don't want humanoid creatures as 'pets'.

Tell that to my upcoming Wolvar Orphan pet. :tongue:

You're making waaaay too many assumptions on blizzards intentions. For all you know, they're going to completely revamp the Holiday.

Blizzard said long ago that Hallow's End was one of the most complete of the Holidays. They are going to edit the ones that need work, like Noblegarden and the upcoming Thanksgiving, but much like Midsummer and Winter's Veil, they have no intention of editing a holiday that already works well and have great rewards. I think this is just a case of me having much more knowledge of Blizzard due to my forum browsing outside of this, by the looks of it many others don't keep up with bluetrackers.

Yes, for all I know they will shut down the servers tomorrow, really, you are making more assumptions then I am. My arguement has evidence and precedent, yours is "they can change it!". It does not really work that way.

And this brings up the "who knows" you get from data mining. Wait it out, see whats announced. As i said, no point in saying right now "Look at the new races!" That is simply silly.

Fair enough.

You're still ignoring some of the points others bring up. Sure, in the past, the masks have always been of player races, but as pointed out, Blizzard ideals change. This can easily just be a way of allowing the players a taste of getting to play the Goblins & Worgen. Something they've wanted for some time.

Issue is, they could have done that without adding the new textures, they even have multiple Worgen models they could use already. Blizzard does not normally update models unless the model is already horrible (the original ogre) or they are putting them into the sphere of playable (the blood elves got a total revamp for BC). These show new, unique textures point either to the fact Blizzard is going to revamp the Worgen completely, a silly idea since they just added new models, or they are trying to add them to playable.

Let's look at a lore standpoint and go along with the idea that these are future player races. What then? How would it happen?

The same way Draenei happened, they make a bunch of stuff up.

Goblins control all the neutral towns. I'd assume that would stay the same because Blizzard doesn't ever change past content to keep up with current story lines.

Goblin's were neutral in WarCraft 2 also by the Lore, the group that joined the Horde was under the command of a single "Trade Prince", the rulers of Undermine. All of the Goblin towns are owned by the Steamweedle Cartel, which will remain neutral and that will never change. However, who is to say any of the dozens of other Trade Princes, like the one selling all those Zepplins to the Horde over the Alliance, does not decide to join with them again?

What would bring the Worgen into current events? Blood Elves & Draenei were brought in to fight the burning crusade. Would Gobbos & Worgen just be added in, or has there really been enough lore (theoretically more powerful then Arthas) that would give reason to add in a Worgen epic line?

If the rumored expansion is the South Seas, then Gilneas and Undermine can be tied into the upcoming event that will happen, the Cataclysm. Thus, they would be pulled into the events and thus join sides, much like how the BE and Draenei did.

Really, you guys can believe I am making to many assumptions, but I have precedent. Can I be wrong? Yes, and we will see at BlizzCon, I just thought some people would actually be interested in seeing the possible new races. I guess I was wrong.

Jul 17, 2009#45

Shannow

I still love the point by point analysis over if data mined material will be new characters.

Jul 17, 2009#46

SeraRelm

Guys, let him have something to fap over. Is it really that important?

Jul 17, 2009#47

Shannow

SeraRelm said:
Guys, let him have something to fap over. Is it really that important?

Well, we were jsut trying to help him come up off of Blizzard's schlong long enough to get a breath of fresh air!

I kid, I kid. :rofl:

Jul 17, 2009#48

elph

Really, you guys can believe I am making to many assumptions, but I have precedent. Can I be wrong? Yes, and we will see at BlizzCon, I just thought some people would actually be interested in seeing the possible new races. I guess I was wrong.

Nah, you weren't wrong. I do think it's neat that these may be new races. I just didn't / don't see how they would fit. Also, I'm not used to you having short posts about WoW, you normally detail every bit and that's what I was waiting for / wanting to see.

Now we're discussing the HOWs and such. I've just seen much in the past with Blizzard to really say OH WOW!

Some other things that made me go.. uhhh...

3.2 25 man isn't progression the LK story arch is it? It's adding a new 5, 10, & 25 man dungeon, but nothing to really progress the LK arch and getting to fight Arthas, as far as I know. Who's the big baddie in this patch and where does he fit?

Why did they release these skins so soon? Obviously these aren't going to be player races right now, but assuming they will be, they're not going to be player races by this coming Hallows Eve event. That is unless Blizzard announces that the EXP has been worked on in secret and you can pick it up on your way out (not likely). So that leaves next Hallows Eve as being the one with the expansion (which, I can see - it fits their timeline). I can see the patches getting to 3.3 at least (that being the Final patch), but it seems they are adding a bit more here as time goes on. Just adds to the question of "why so soon".

Jul 17, 2009#49

Shannow

Aaaaaaand, I am outta here.

Jul 17, 2009#50

Shakey

It'll be interesting to see what they do if they put in a new race. If they let you start at 60 like the DK they would need to be a new class. I couldn't see them letting one race start at 60 that has access to all the classes and not the others.

Jul 17, 2009#51

ScytheRexx

I still love the point by point analysis over if data mined material will be new characters.

Believe what you wish. I am not going to push it any longer. Either I will be back here next month saying "You guys were right" or I will be back here next month saying "hehehehe" :smug: Either way I find it interesting I can't put out a plausible theory with tons of evidence because of a lack of 100% certainty. Oh welll.

As a little update, I just noticed that all wow websites that I saw this information appearing have started pulling it without a word. MMO-Champion, famous for the fact they datamine the living hell out of every patch, has started deleting posts even attempting to talk about the discovered textures. I think someone at Blizzard might not have a job tomorrow.

3.2 25 man isn't progression the LK story arch is it? It's adding a new 5, 10, & 25 man dungeon, but nothing to really progress the LK arch and getting to fight Arthas, as far as I know. Who's the big baddie in this patch and where does he fit?

Actually it has a lot to do with the Lich King. Tirion explains it as a speech in front of the Colosseum, explaining that if they all just gathered and sent wave after wave of forces at the Lich King, all they would do, is make his own forces stronger as more and more people die to the undead. The plan is to test the heroes in the Colosseum in order to find the strongest of them, thus send a powerful, concentrated strike force to take down Arthas.

During the 5-Man event, the Black Knight comes in resurrected, and tries to kill you for the Lich King, he is the final boss of that instance. In the same vein, the end of the 25-Man has Arthas appear. He taunts Tirion and the Crusade before smashing out the floor. One all the players fall through the hole, they end up in an old Nerubian ruin, where they once again fight an resurrected, and enhanced with magic ice, Anub'Arak. He tries to kill the players for the Lich King, but when you defeat him, Tirion comes down, congratulates you, and have his troops give you all a portal to get out. It is pretty much the setup to Icecrown, with the death of Anub'Arak being the final proof that the players are the ones that must be sent in to Icecrown.

Why did they release these skins so soon? Obviously these aren't going to be player races right now, but assuming they will be, they're not going to be player races by this coming Hallows Eve event. That is unless Blizzard announces that the EXP has been worked on in secret and you can pick it up on your way out (not likely). So that leaves next Hallows Eve as being the one with the expansion (which, I can see - it fits their timeline). I can see the patches getting to 3.3 at least (that being the Final patch), but it seems they are adding a bit more here as time goes on. Just adds to the question of "why so soon".

Most likely it was a mistake. The masks are actually easy to make, all they have to do is take a screenshot of the face, stretch it over a single flat model, and done. More then likely one of guys assigned to that did them, and compiled them, but accidentally compiled it into the PTR patch without realizing it. The fact that Blizzard seems to be now hushing down the official fansites, including the ones known for aggressive datamining, seems to make it all the more clear this was not supposed to happen. It was a mistake.

It'll be interesting to see what they do if they put in a new race. If they let you start at 60 like the DK they would need to be a new class. I couldn't see them letting one race start at 60 that has access to all the classes and not the others.

This could be why the next patch is adding so many new leveling friendly options. Some of the changes they are doing for leveling is downright mindboggling, like the new Tome of Cold Weather Flying and the various other mount changes. I can see all these changes being added because Blizzard want to make it easier to level up the new races from 1-90 (If they even go up to 90)

Jul 17, 2009#52

Shegokigo

This thread is hilarious, simply because Scytherexx is right, halfway.

Worgen are a new race that are going to be released, but they aren't scheduled till the PLANES xpac. Next xpac is going to be Maelstrom/Cataclysm, and we're going to see new landmasses/level cap increase and a new hero class, not new races.

Now, the goblin thing could possibly be the other race, as the two races slated to be released with PLANES were Worgen/Pandarian, which would make more sense BUT of course we have the CHINA issue to deal with for Pandas. So that leaves an interesting gap. Make Goblin Horde? Worgen were initially intended for Alliance. Problem is Goblins are neutral and Worgen have played both sides of the fence at times. Here's my take:

Both races will be pickable by both factions. That's the only logical idea with the removal of Panderians from the original plan and the addition of Goblins.

If anyone questions where I'm getting my information, I'll simply state it comes from a confirmed leak from Blizzard that has been out since Molten Core.

Jul 17, 2009#53

elph

Yeah, I checked out MMO Champion to see if they had anything, and they didn't. It is typical of Blizzard to pull leaked information if it has a chance of leading to bigger things. Also, the leveling things that are coming up are really insane. I wouldn't be surprised for another XP reduction by the time a new expansion comes out.

As for the story line, that makes sense. So this could be the patch before the final (3.3 maybe?) and does fit the time table.

Assuming they release info about a new expansion at Blizzcon, we can probably see it released by year end to early next year.

Granted, none of this will get me back in game though. I enjoy the lore, but I just don't care for the game itself anymore.

Jul 17, 2009#54

ScytheRexx

Shegokigo said:
Worgen are a new race that are going to be released, but they aren't scheduled till the PLANES xpac. Next xpac is going to be Maelstrom/Cataclysm, and we're going to see new landmasses/level cap increase and a new hero class, not new races.

I have that same chart, but the rumor is that the South Seas and Planes expansion are going to be one in the same now (More specifically, the Emerald Dream and the Nightmare the main focus of the planes part.) We will have to see if this is true, but both the seas and the emerald dream have been getting a lot of promotion these days in the outside sources of WoW, like the comic and an upcoming novel.

Problem is Goblins are neutral

A couple months ago I would agree with you, but now we have learned that the Goblins in the "Old Horde" were all under the command of a single Trade Prince, who was working in his own interests outside those of Undermine and the other princes. This could happen again, without altering the main dynamic of the existing Goblin cities.

Jul 17, 2009#55

elph

ScytheRexx said:
Shegokigo said:

Worgen are a new race that are going to be released, but they aren't scheduled till the PLANES xpac. Next xpac is going to be Maelstrom/Cataclysm, and we're going to see new landmasses/level cap increase and a new hero class, not new races.

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I have that same chart, but the rumor is that the South Seas and Planes expansion are going to be one in the same now (More specifically, the Emerald Dream and the Nightmare the main focus of the planes part.) We will have to see if this is true, but both the seas and the emerald dream have been getting a lot of promotion these days in the outside sources of WoW, like the comic and an upcoming novel.

I always thought that Emerald Dream would be the first expansion. There was a lot of talk about it at the time, then the patch that intro'd the 4 dream guardian dragons at the gates. Then we got space goats, barbie and other barbie.

Jul 17, 2009#56

Shegokigo

Emerald Dream is part of the next expansion.

Jul 17, 2009#57

I learned a long time ago that ScytheRexx has forgotten more about WoW than I will ever or would have ever learned.

Jul 17, 2009#58

Chazwozel

Edrondol said:
I learned a long time ago that ScytheRexx has forgotten more about WoW than I will ever or would have ever learned.

That's ok, for everything you don't know about WoW, you know something useful. :smug:

Jul 17, 2009#59

Shegokigo

Chazwozel said:
:smug:

:eyeroll:

Jul 17, 2009#60

elph

Shegokigo said:
Chazwozel said:

:smug:

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:eyeroll:

I understand that's an eyeroll, but it also looks like you're looking up to him for his smug opinion.

Jul 17, 2009#61

Chazwozel

Shegokigo said:
Chazwozel said:

:smug:

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:eyeroll:

It's cute that you think WoW knowledge is relevant to anything.

Jul 17, 2009#62

Gill Kaiser

It's relevant to WoW. How relevant that is is purely a matter of opinion.

Jul 17, 2009#63

Shegokigo

Chazwozel said:
It's cute that you think WoW knowledge is relevant to anything.

Just 10+ million people around the world. You're right, just a small little nothing. :slywink:

Jul 17, 2009#64

Frankie Williamson

Shegokigo said:
Chazwozel said:

It's cute that you think WoW knowledge is relevant to anything.

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Just 10+ million people around the world. You're right, just a small little nothing. :slywink:

Minus China.

Jul 17, 2009#65

elph

Frankie said:
Shegokigo said:

Chazwozel said:

It's cute that you think WoW knowledge is relevant to anything.

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Just 10+ million people around the world. You're right, just a small little nothing. :slywink:

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Minus China.

Yep, gotta remember that WoW just had it's world population numbers cut in half.

Jul 17, 2009#66

SpecialKO

http://www.jlmpacificepoch.com/newsstor ... 38_0_5_0_M

Interesting. One source says that Blizzard's partner was shut down for "illegal" activities, a new source says that it's just a "vetting process" for new ventures in China and that everything is more or less as expected.

While the Chinese government is obviously not new to the "nothing to see here, move away" technique, it seems a little excessive to do so for a video game.

Jul 17, 2009#67

Gurpel

and in one fell blow, blizzard corners the furry market :|

Jul 17, 2009#68

Chazwozel

Shegokigo said:
Chazwozel said:

It's cute that you think WoW knowledge is relevant to anything.

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Just 10+ million people around the world. You're right, just a small little nothing. :slywink:

What I mean is that it's just worthless information. Sure, I enjoy the lore like anyone else, but I'm not going to devote more time to it than, say, glancing at wowwiki from time to time. Case in point. Maybe if you'd brush up on computer coolant systems and basic thermodynamic concepts instead of analyzing whether a +2 spell int. enchant is more beneficial than 2% crit, you wouldn't have to shell out tons of money for a mediocre upgrade.

In before the ol' "Everything is a waste of time" rebuttal.

Jul 17, 2009#69

Shegokigo

Chazwozel said:
What I mean is that it's just worthless information. Sure, I enjoy the lore like anyone else, but I'm not going to devote more time to it than, say, glancing at wowwiki from time to time. Case in point. Maybe if you'd brush up on computer coolant systems and basic thermodynamic concepts instead of analyzing whether a +2 spell int. enchant is more beneficial than 2% crit, you wouldn't have to shell out tons of money for a mediocre upgrade.

In before the ol' "Everything is a waste of time" rebuttal.

I'm sure a car engineer builds his own cars, since you know, he has the knowledge. :eyeroll:

Jul 17, 2009#70

Scolding people for having WoW knowledge in a WoW thread? That's...interesting. And yes, I know you were just kidding around.

Jul 17, 2009#71

Chazwozel

Shegokigo said:
Chazwozel said:

What I mean is that it's just worthless information. Sure, I enjoy the lore like anyone else, but I'm not going to devote more time to it than, say, glancing at wowwiki from time to time. Case in point. Maybe if you'd brush up on computer coolant systems and basic thermodynamic concepts instead of analyzing whether a +2 spell int. enchant is more beneficial than 2% crit, you wouldn't have to shell out tons of money for a mediocre upgrade.

In before the ol' "Everything is a waste of time" rebuttal.

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I'm sure a car engineer builds his own cars, since you know, he has the knowledge. :eyeroll:

Way to pick probably the worst example to prove your point.

Any auto engineer worth his salt has one of these in his/her garage:

or some kind of project. Some of my electrical engineer friends make their own custom MP3 players for fun.

Hell, I'm just an auto enthusiast and I've modded my cars out. I cut a big gaping hole in the side of my Jeep for a snorkel when I had it.

Point still stands. Practical knowledge > WoW

-- Fri Jul 17, 2009 1:31 pm --

Edrondol said:
Scolding people for having WoW knowledge in a WoW thread? That's...interesting. And yes, I know you were just kidding around.

I'm just never impressed by people with insane in depth knowledge on fictional crap. Harry Potter ext... included...

Jul 17, 2009#72

I would say that each of us on this board has their own little area of useless knowledge. I'm sure you have one, too.

Jul 17, 2009#73

Chibibar

Chaz: maybe that is what people excel at. It is fun for them. It is kinda like people who knows a lot of useless trivia stuff that has no use other than gameshow (if they get lucky and be on it) or at parties (if they play a lot of trivia stuff)

I personally wouldn't say that fictional material is not "less practical" than real life stuff. the world is evolving and there are competition for real life prizes (cash, trips and free stuff) so these "less practical" knowledge can earn a living. WoW still host arena tournaments for cash prizes. Knowing every little detail about the game and strategy will make you either 1st place or last place (lack of knowledge)

Jul 17, 2009#74

Shegokigo

Chazwozel said:
Way to pick probably the worst example to prove your point.

Any auto engineer worth his salt has one of these in his/her garage:

or some kind of project. Some of my electrical engineer friends make their own custom MP3 players for fun.

Who says I don't have my own projects? I just don't want to mod a case to save $80?

Chazwozel said:
Hell, I'm just an auto enthusiast and I've modded my cars out. I cut a big gaping hole in the side of my Jeep for a snorkel when I had it.

Point still stands. Practical knowledge > WoW
I'm just never impressed by people with insane in depth knowledge on fictional crap. Harry Potter ext... included...

Your knowledge of cars means as much to me and millions of other people as my WoW knowledge does to you. Where's your point?

Wanna know a point? I or Scythe would never go into an Auto Enthusiats thread and go "Wow, how lame and pointless, what a waste of time and energy. *golf clap*

Jul 17, 2009#75

Chazwozel

Edrondol said:
I would say that each of us on this board has their own little area of useless knowledge. I'm sure you have one, too.

Oh everyone does. Mines just random facts. I rock at Jeopardy, Trivial Pursuit, and Who wants to be a Millionare.

I guess my resentment towards WoW players still lingers from me wanting to punch someone anytime I hear their inane leet speak babble and drawn out raid stories. I had a former grad student colleague would would come to my lab and just prattle on about his guild's latest exploits. Ugh...

Jul 17, 2009#76

SeraRelm

Edrondol said:
I would say that each of us on this board has their own little area of useless knowledge. I'm sure you have one, too.

We sure do, Dave. It's called http://www.halforum.com!

Jul 17, 2009#77

Chazwozel

Shegokigo said:
Wanna know a point? I or Scythe would never go into an Auto Enthusiats thread and go "Wow, how lame and pointless, what a waste of time and energy. *golf clap*

hey, babe, you started it. My response to Ed was a joke.

Jul 17, 2009#78

Chibibar

Chazwozel said:
Edrondol said:

I would say that each of us on this board has their own little area of useless knowledge. I'm sure you have one, too.

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Oh everyone does. Mines just random facts. I rock at Jeopardy, Trivial Pursuit, and Who wants to be a Millionare.

I guess my resentment towards WoW players still lingers from me wanting to punch someone anytime I hear their inane leet speak babble and drawn out raid stories. I had a former grad student colleague would would come to my lab and just prattle on about his guild's latest exploits. Ugh...

heh....

How is that different from a group of guys talking about sports and the latest "cool play" they saw on TV? (yea I know people like that and there are MORE people like that than WoW players) I mean I have co-workers talk about some "great plays" in Football, Basketball, Hockey, Soccer and such.... Or how someone talk about fishing/hunting (just for fun not for food) or anything else for that matter.

To each their own I say

Jul 17, 2009#79

Chazwozel

Chibibar said:
Chazwozel said:

Edrondol said:

I would say that each of us on this board has their own little area of useless knowledge. I'm sure you have one, too.

Click to expand...

Oh everyone does. Mines just random facts. I rock at Jeopardy, Trivial Pursuit, and Who wants to be a Millionare.

I guess my resentment towards WoW players still lingers from me wanting to punch someone anytime I hear their inane leet speak babble and drawn out raid stories. I had a former grad student colleague would would come to my lab and just prattle on about his guild's latest exploits. Ugh...

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heh....

How is that different from a group of guys talking about sports and the latest "cool play" they saw on TV? (yea I know people like that and there are MORE people like that than WoW players) I mean I have co-workers talk about some "great plays" in Football, Basketball, Hockey, Soccer and such.... Or how someone talk about fishing/hunting (just for fun not for food) or anything else for that matter.

To each their own I say

Me after the Stanley Cup Final:

Awesome game, did you see Talbot's second goal to the top shelf past Osgood?

Wow nerd after a raid.

So the first thing my guild (the tommy knockers on shadowfang) does is attacks lord zorlorft with a stun spell, but our stupid rogue first sapped the adds which in turn generated tons of aggro onto the guys who were fighting the add mobs into wtfpwnbbqsauce and then.....

See the difference?

http://www.cracked.com/blog/understandi ... -brothers/

Jul 17, 2009#80

elph

Chazwozel said:
Me after the Stanley Cup Final:

Awesome game, did you see Talbot's second goal to the top shelf past Osgood?

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No man. I missed it. What happened?

Chaz when responding about a missed play

Oh man, it was great! Here's what happened! Talbot goes skating past everyone with his stick in hand. Whips the puck (plastic looking disk thing) at the goalie's head who just ducks in time and makes it into the net.

Jul 17, 2009#81

Yeah, I've been around enough sports nuts to know Chaz is REALLY downplaying the amount of analysis that goes into sports spectating. I mean, when the NFL starts just wait until you hear the podcasts and breakdowns of games.

Jul 17, 2009#82

Piotyr

Edrondol said:
Yeah, I've been around enough sports nuts to know Chaz is REALLY downplaying the amount of analysis that goes into sports spectating. I mean, when the NFL starts just wait until you hear the podcasts and breakdowns of games.

And discussions of fantasy teams...ugh.

Actually, I'm not sure which is more annoying, someone discussing their fantasy team, or someone discussing their recent performances in video game sports.

Jul 17, 2009#83

Chibibar

Chazwozel said:
See the difference?

http://www.cracked.com/blog/understandi ... -brothers/

nope..

why?
cause I don't know anything about Hockey other than lots of hitting, a puck, stick, padding, and skating. So when you start using hockey terms, to me, it is no different then hearing hardcore WoW raiders explaining their exploits vs your story telling on how your fav team is that awesome.

(the following it made up cause I don't know all the terms but shows a good example)
This happen a while back (I don't watch football) but a couple of friends got together for the superbowl and later we met up at the bar for drinks.

Friend: Oh man, you missed a cool game. The quarterback did a blitz play, snapped the ball, but change due to gonna be back and did a toss pass to the side
I would be going like "huh??" cause that did not make any sense to me since I don't know football lingo.

It is no different than
Friend playing WoW: Oh man, you missed a good raiding session last night. We manage to score perfect on Hagan the unclean and everyone got their achievements. Top that off, we down the four horseman in less than 10 minutes! it was perfect symphony. (yea my friend don't talk in leet speak. Not all WoW player speak leet

)

having play WoW. I understood that, but if he starts explaining the team make up and powers. I would probably be lost. to an non gamer a person talking about FPS, DPS, skills, powers, pots (potions), tank, wipes.... would never know what they are talking about.

It is same as checks, blitz, RBI, NFL, NHL or other sport lingo talk.

It is just information that make sense to another group of people of similar taste

you may not like WoW talk, but probably could go on for hours talking lingo with sport enthusiast.

Jul 17, 2009#84

ScytheRexx

Chazwozel said:
See the difference?

Not really, because the arguement comes down to taste in entertainment. Personally, when I hang out in a bar and some of my friends start talking about the Super Bowl, I just phase out because Football is one of the least interesting things in existence for me. When we talk about WoW, I join in and mention the Yogg+0 Stars kill, or how we will handle our next Freya attempt, they, also being WoW players, will talk about it with me just as enthusiastically as how awesome last nights touchdown was.

If you mentioned the wicked hockey play like you just did in this thread, I would be uninterested. If I told you about that time I PKed a guy by jumping off a ledge and thunderstriking him off a cliff, you would be uninterested. There is little different in the situation other then the content of interest by the two of us.

It all depends on the person.

Jul 17, 2009#85

Cajungal

You're all boring me equally. :tongue:

Jul 17, 2009#86

Chazwozel

What hockey terms?

You don't understand what the word skate means?

Goal? Slapshot?

Go to your grandma and ask her what a goal means. And then go ask her what a World of Warcraft mob is. No no, better yet ask her what soccer is and then ask her what World of Warcraft is.

Jul 17, 2009#87

Cajungal

There are some terms in here that people would not know. Every sport/game has its jargon.

http://www.firstbasesports.com/hockey_glossary.html

Jul 17, 2009#88

Chazwozel

oh and sigh...

Chazwozel said:
In before the ol' "Everything is a waste of time" rebuttal.

Jul 17, 2009#89

elph

I look at them this way...

Sports are fine, but it's a spectator's event. Unless you're down there doing the work and playing the game, then the excitement is just silly to me. "Some guy that doesn't know I exsist, making more money in a year then I'll see in my life just busted some other guy with the same basics in the mouth with his stick and scored a goal". I just don't care so much.

Hearing about how people are overcoming obstacles (even electronic ones in a video game) and better ways of playing said game is a bit more interesting to me. Simply because *they* are the ones doing it, they're not watching someone do it.

Jul 17, 2009#90

Chazwozel

elph said:
I look at them this way...

Sports are fine, but it's a spectator's event. Unless you're down there doing the work and playing the game, then the excitement is just silly to me. \"Some guy that doesn't know I exsist, making more money in a year then I'll see in my life just busted some other guy with the same basics in the mouth with his stick and scored a goal\". I just don't care so much.

Hearing about how people are overcoming obstacles (even electronic ones in a video game) and better ways of playing said game is a bit more interesting to me. Simply because *they* are the ones doing it, they're not watching someone do it.

Annnnnd here come the video games are equal and better to sports arguments....

Unvarnished truth about WOW btw: http://www.cracked.com/blog/understandi ... -brothers/

WoW isn’t like other nerd things. You can theoretically never see Star Wars, but during your everyday life you’ll pick up a basic understanding of what a Chewbacca is. However, if you never played World of Warcraft, listening to someone talk about it sounds like senseless and frightening gibberish. I think it was Kipling who described it as, “To the average man, another speaking on Warcraft sounds not unlike a rapist Chewbacca acting as his own defense attorney.”

Jul 17, 2009#91

SeraRelm

*pours gasoline around the thread*

But that's just because video games aren't a sport. They have no athletes.

*sits back with a marshmallow on a stick.*

Jul 17, 2009#92

Chazwozel

SeraRelm said:
*pours gasoline around the thread*

But that's just because video games aren't a sport. They have no athletes.

*sits back with a marshmallow on a stick.*

I agree with your thread flaming, and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

Jul 17, 2009#93

elph

Chazwozel said:
elph said:

I look at them this way...

Sports are fine, but it's a spectator's event. Unless you're down there doing the work and playing the game, then the excitement is just silly to me. \"Some guy that doesn't know I exsist, making more money in a year then I'll see in my life just busted some other guy with the same basics in the mouth with his stick and scored a goal\". I just don't care so much.

Hearing about how people are overcoming obstacles (even electronic ones in a video game) and better ways of playing said game is a bit more interesting to me. Simply because *they* are the ones doing it, they're not watching someone do it.

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Annnnnd here come the video games are equal and better to sports arguments....

Unvarnished truth about WOW btw: http://www.cracked.com/blog/understandi ... -brothers/

WoW isn’t like other nerd things. You can theoretically never see Star Wars, but during your everyday life you’ll pick up a basic understanding of what a Chewbacca is. However, if you never played World of Warcraft, listening to someone talk about it sounds like senseless and frightening gibberish. I think it was Kipling who described it as, “To the average man, another speaking on Warcraft sounds not unlike a rapist Chewbacca acting as his own defense attorney.”

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You're going to use Cracked as a source for truth?

Besides, I said in my opinion, I like playing video games more then watching sports. We are still free willed creatures allowed to have our own thoughts right?

I'm not down playing your taste in sports > video games. I get that. It's just not for me. If I were able to actively play sports more often then video games, then I probably would be a bit more in line with sports > games.

Jul 17, 2009#94

SeraRelm

I think pro gamers definitely have skill, that's for sure.

*warms her hands*

Jul 17, 2009#95

Chazwozel

elph said:
Chazwozel said:

elph said:

I look at them this way...

Sports are fine, but it's a spectator's event. Unless you're down there doing the work and playing the game, then the excitement is just silly to me. \"Some guy that doesn't know I exsist, making more money in a year then I'll see in my life just busted some other guy with the same basics in the mouth with his stick and scored a goal\". I just don't care so much.

Hearing about how people are overcoming obstacles (even electronic ones in a video game) and better ways of playing said game is a bit more interesting to me. Simply because *they* are the ones doing it, they're not watching someone do it.

Click to expand...

Annnnnd here come the video games are equal and better to sports arguments....

Unvarnished truth about WOW btw: http://www.cracked.com/blog/understandi ... -brothers/

WoW isn’t like other nerd things. You can theoretically never see Star Wars, but during your everyday life you’ll pick up a basic understanding of what a Chewbacca is. However, if you never played World of Warcraft, listening to someone talk about it sounds like senseless and frightening gibberish. I think it was Kipling who described it as, “To the average man, another speaking on Warcraft sounds not unlike a rapist Chewbacca acting as his own defense attorney.”

Click to expand...

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You're going to use Cracked as a source for truth?

Besides, I said in my opinion, I like playing video games more then watching sports. We are still free willed creatures allowed to have our own thoughts right?

I'm not down playing your taste in sports > video games. I get that. It's just not for me. If I were able to actively play sports more often then video games, then I probably would be a bit more in line with sports > games.

The part of the article I quoted is absolutely correct. To the average person, WoW gibberish sounds exactly like that. And please, dear God, you did not cop out with the classic "it's my opinion, asshole" way to try to win an argument. You can love WoW all you want, but that doesn't stop you from being any less of an idiot when you try to explain your adventures in Azeroth.

Jul 17, 2009#96

Cajungal

Cajungal said:
There are some terms in here that people would not know. Every sport/game has its jargon.

http://www.firstbasesports.com/hockey_glossary.html

So, we're just gonna have to assume that all these words should be in my vocabulary?

It's extremely tiresome to hear people talk about WoW, but... at least for me... sports aren't much more fun.

Jul 17, 2009#97

SeraRelm

So we're on this Mothership raid in RWZ and I'm running my perma PA and rad debuffs constantly when my team of noobs runs out of the center and gets hosp'd in like, 3 seconds flat... :tumbleweed:

Jul 17, 2009#98

elph

Chazwozel said:
The part of the article I quoted is absolutely correct. To the average person, WoW gibberish sounds exactly like that. And please, dear God, you did not cop out with the classic \"it's my opinion, asshole\" way to try to win an argument. You can love WoW all you want, but that doesn't stop you from being any less of an idiot when you try to explain your adventures in Azeroth.

Okay, but now you have the aspect of time on your side.

http://www.historyofhockey.net/history_of_hockey.html

Using hockey as an example.

The game of ice hockey probably evolved from the game of field hockey that was played in Northern Europe for hundreds of years. The modern version of ice-hockey finds its origins in the rules laid down by a Canadian named J G Creighton. His rules were implemented in the first game of ice hockey played in Montreal, Canada in the year 1875.

1875 is the first game. That's nearly 110 years (give or take a few years) before the first personal computer got into homes. That's generations of time that people have been participating in the sport. Families are growing up around it, playing it, watching it. Towns and people are cheering it on. Why? Because there really isn't anything else to do (among other legit reasons).

That's 120 years or so for people to get used to terminology and make it where it didn't sound like gibberish.

Also take this into account:

The game of Hockey has been around from the time of early civilization. Some of the reports find the earliest origin of the game 4000 years back. Field hockey was reportedly played even before the birth of Christ. Basically known as the “ball and stick” game, it was played since ancient times in places diverse as Rome, Scotland, Egypt and South America. The game was referred to in different names but the basic idea of playing the game was the same. The most apt used term was “Hockie” by the Irish. Though the term was coined centuries ago, the word found its way through to the present generation.

Sure, if you're going to compare a past time and aspect or language that's only been around *maybe* 20 years to that which has been around 120 - 4000 years... You're right. Video games just simply sound like a frightening language. Give video games another 100+ years and let's have this conversation again.

Jul 17, 2009#99

Scatter-Two. Bunch Right-Zip-Fire Right-273-Pivot-F Flat. On two. Ready? BREAK!

Sounds easy enough.

Jul 17, 2009#100

Cajungal

I shall use my powers of invisibility for evil. :twisted:

Jul 17, 2009#101

Shegokigo

Chazwozel said:
The part of the article I quoted is absolutely correct. To the average person.......

Pssst, the average person loved Transformers 2. :slywink:

Jul 17, 2009#102

Shakey

You know whats even worse than hearing someone talk about WoW? Hearing someone talk about how much they hate WoW.

Jul 17, 2009#103

Chazwozel

Edrondol said:
Scatter-Two. Bunch Right-Zip-Fire Right-273-Pivot-F Flat. On two. Ready? BREAK!

Sounds easy enough.

23 skadoo!

Those are on field call-signs. The other team isn't supposed to understand them!

Jul 17, 2009#104

SeraRelm

"Oh, it's Cricket. Marvelous game, really. You see, the bowler hurls the ball toward the batter who tries to play away a fine leg. He endeavors to score by dashing between the creases, provided the wicket keeper hasn't whipped his bails off, of course."

Jul 17, 2009#105

Chazwozel

Shegokigo said:
Chazwozel said:

The part of the article I quoted is absolutely correct. To the average person.......

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Pssst, the average person loved Transformers 2. :slywink:

Haha

Section One: Idiots

I guess the same people that loved Transformers 2 are those folks that make up the bulk of WoW.

-- Fri Jul 17, 2009 2:40 pm --

elph said:
Chazwozel said:

The part of the article I quoted is absolutely correct. To the average person, WoW gibberish sounds exactly like that. And please, dear God, you did not cop out with the classic \"it's my opinion, *\" way to try to win an argument. You can love WoW all you want, but that doesn't stop you from being any less of an idiot when you try to explain your adventures in Azeroth.

Click to expand...

Okay, but now you have the aspect of time on your side.

http://www.historyofhockey.net/history_of_hockey.html

Using hockey as an example.

The game of ice hockey probably evolved from the game of field hockey that was played in Northern Europe for hundreds of years. The modern version of ice-hockey finds its origins in the rules laid down by a Canadian named J G Creighton. His rules were implemented in the first game of ice hockey played in Montreal, Canada in the year 1875.

Click to expand...

1875 is the first game. That's nearly 110 years (give or take a few years) before the first personal computer got into homes. That's generations of time that people have been participating in the sport. Families are growing up around it, playing it, watching it. Towns and people are cheering it on. Why? Because there really isn't anything else to do (among other legit reasons).

That's 120 years or so for people to get used to terminology and make it where it didn't sound like gibberish.

Also take this into account:

[quote:d8i8qh4v]The game of Hockey has been around from the time of early civilization. Some of the reports find the earliest origin of the game 4000 years back. Field hockey was reportedly played even before the birth of Christ. Basically known as the “ball and stick” game, it was played since ancient times in places diverse as Rome, Scotland, Egypt and South America. The game was referred to in different names but the basic idea of playing the game was the same. The most apt used term was “Hockie” by the Irish. Though the term was coined centuries ago, the word found its way through to the present generation.

Jul 17, 2009#106

Chazwozel said:
Edrondol said:

Scatter-Two. Bunch Right-Zip-Fire Right-273-Pivot-F Flat. On two. Ready? BREAK!

Sounds easy enough.

Click to expand...

23 skadoo!

Those are on field call-signs. The other team isn't supposed to understand them!

EXACTLY! So are the in the game terms used by WoW raiders! If you were speaking to WoW spectators the terms used and level of depth would be different. This is why comparing WoW and sports does not make sense.

Jul 17, 2009#107

Chibibar

Edrondol said:
Scatter-Two. Bunch Right-Zip-Fire Right-273-Pivot-F Flat. On two. Ready? BREAK!

Sounds easy enough.

uh-whua?!?! (that is what I would say) cause that mean nothing to me.

but if you ask me what my tanking gear was and my defense rating, block rating and such I can tell ya

Chaz: Video games are still new. There are no athletes but there are players. It is catching on in the mainstream. There are even INTERNATIONAL competition for it. (just like sports)

also in my defense, I'm comparing a person PLAYING WoW vs. a person WATCHING a sport. If we are going to talk about a person PLAYING a sport VS person PLAYING WoW..... that is a whole different ballgame (short example: diet, training physical and mental, time, and well... getting paid)

Also: if I ask MY grandmother about football, hockey, baseball or anything relate to sport.... she doesn't know any sport or participate (watching OR playing) BUT she does know WoW cause her grandchildren plays them. I say give 100 years and videogame would be 2nd nature like baseball (in terms of people knowing it and less generation gap)

Jul 17, 2009#108

Chazwozel

My award-winning “Learning with Super Mario Brothers” system has helped thousands of children get their plumbing and pizza-making degrees, and is the leading cause of turtle extinction. You’re welcome. Now the power of this educational program can be used to achieve something that was at one time impossible: understanding World of Warcraft.

You might be asking, “How can one video game help explain another?” If you are, please turn to section )*) to kiss my learning program on the ass and butthole. Everyone else, let’s continue.

WoW isn’t like other nerd things. You can theoretically never see Star Wars, but during your everyday life you’ll pick up a basic understanding of what a Chewbacca is. However, if you never played World of Warcraft, listening to someone talk about it sounds like senseless and frightening gibberish. I think it was Kipling who described it as, “To the average man, another speaking on Warcraft sounds not unlike a rapist Chewbacca acting as his own defense attorney.”

That’s why my system utilizes Super Mario Brothers, the universal video game language. For those of you unfamiliar with Mario Brothers, I urge you to leave, as I’m sure the other Communists will soon be wondering why you’re not harvesting the collective’s potatoes.

Section One: Idiots

The first thing you should know is that most people playing World of Warcraft are terrible at video games, especially World of Warcraft. Every Nintendo owner has encountered the following scenario: You hand over the controller to a friend and then watch them clumsily murder Mario with the same bottomless pit until he stops coming back to life. World of Warcraft is an entire society of these people.

In WoW, danger is often preceded by a lengthy warning celebration. For example: You are a HntrPhüc, Beastmaster Hunter, shooting arrows into an ogre. It grunts, “I am throw a rock at you!” A dark shadow marks the area where the rock will fall, and a bar appears under the ogre’s name slowly counting down a spell called, “There is a Fucking Rock Falling On Your Head.” Six seconds later and you are now HntrPhüc, Meat Toothpaste, a stain waiting around to make future archaeologists puke.

In SMB, taking a step in any direction in under six seconds would be considered a minor challenge, if not an insult. To a Warcraft player it’s impossible for two reasons. One, flippers for hands. You can only sit in one place for so long before your DNA starts to think you’re a walrus. Two, most WoW players are away from their computers, stuck at a traffic light because their reflexes don’t work quickly enough to press the gas before it turns red again.

Section Two: Dicks

Maybe kindergarten teachers can still be nice when they’re surrounded by idiots all day, but Warcraft players can’t. They’re dicks. Plus, even though it’s a world of fantastic magic, it still counts as the Internet. Which means that social interaction is limited to typed-out temper tantrums and desperate attempts at bothering people. WoW is like Girls Gone Wild without the tits: idiots and douches taking turns doing anything to get noticed, and no one knows what a condom looks like.

Obviously, my “Learning with SMB” program has received high praise for its comparison system, but I’m not here to talk about how great you are for selecting it. That’s coming up in the next sentence. You’ve made a brave decision, and I’m very proud of you.

Section Three: Dicks and Idiots Working Together

Warcraft is a lot like sex in that you can’t really get anything done unless you have at least five people. But let’s look at the figures: A five-man group in World of Warcraft contains one to five dicks and four to five idiots. Getting a WoW group to do anything together is harder than getting a bag of chickens its SCUBA certification.

Luckily, the people who make the game have these same figures. They know your group has the military precision of drunk toddlers in a dryer, so they designed every boss monster to do only zero to one special thing. Sounds simple, right? Here’s where the problem comes in. Asking a Warcraft player to do up to one thing is a 20 minute process of impossible, and there are five of you.

Say you’re about to go up against the sinister Pandemonius and you tell the group, “Just beat on this boss like normal, but stop punching him when he makes a force field of evil electricity.”

To any Super Mario Brother player, the proper response would be, “No shit? Don’t touch the glowing death field? Because I figured I’d drop my pants and back into one of the punishing tendrils of dark energy, asshole.”

To a Warcraft player, the proper response is a confused suicide against the deadly force field. If cows played World of Warcraft, there would be a pile of them dead against the electric fence.

Cow Store: “Good afternoon, Hank’s Cow Store.”

Farmer: “Yeah, goddamn it! You sold me bum cows! Aren’t they supposed to move when the fence shocks them?”

Cow Store: “Absolutely. They didn’t?”

Farmer: “No! They just leaned on it, and slowly fried themselves to death!”

Cow Store: “That’s very unusu- wait. They haven’t been playing World of Warcraft have they? Because Warcraft cows are fucking tards.”

Section Four: Multiply Section Three By Five

When WoW players get together in large groups, it’s called a raid. Because when you have no motor, people or communication skills, the best thing to do is glue yourself to 24 identical morons. Now that you have 25 mouths screaming different curses and 50 feet running in different directions, you have a perfect simulation of every birth defect and psychological disorder known to science, and are ready for a grand adventure.

Here’s where it gets tricky. When you tell 25 people to go to The Caverns of Time, seven of them don’t know what that is, two of them aren’t playing anymore, one fell asleep in his pizza, two have to drive their kids to therapy, one tells you to shut the fuck up, four are rebooting their computers, one is getting kicked off by his parents, two are lost foreigners who thought this was the train station, one is pressing enter on the same Chuck Norris joke over and over, two of them tell everyone to go to three different places and one is your girlfriend bitching at you about how much this sucks.

Ninety minutes later, when you finally get everyone there, someone will explain that no one should stand in front of the demon lord Kaz’rogal. This simple concept will take 40 minutes to convey, and repeat twice. During this part, you may want to take advantage of my “Learning with Super Mario Brothers” system for Overhauling 6-Cylinder Transmissions.

Then, after your beard has grown in and your marriage has fallen apart, you give the signal to begin the battle! Within moments, 15 people are lying in various states of liquid directly in front of the demon lord Kaz’rogal. As for the other 10 people, hey, they didn’t know you fuckers were starting.

Imagine you’re trying to teach your son to play baseball. You teach him the rules, how to throw, how to swing and when you tell him to go for it, he throws the ball into the side of his own head, runs the wrong way and tries to sell a blowjob to an undercover cop. Warcraft players fail in directions you never thought possible.

Section Five: Rewards

Say you did it. Say you all managed to work together and kill a boss. Now you get to split two or three prizes between the 25 of you. This means that you now get to add jealousy, greed and entitlement to a group dynamic built entirely around impatience, disrespect and retarded.

All that and you get nothing? To put that in Super Mario Brothers terms, it’s like fighting with your little sister over the TV for three episodes of Duck Tales. Then you clear the first stage while she flails her hands in front of the screen and the game rewards you with, “Game Over. Your little sister earns 200 points. Would you like to RESTART GAME or QUIT?”

Section Six: Victory?

In Super Mario Brothers, you play the part of a brick-breaking plumber working a kidnapping case. I don’t want to spoil the finale, but it pays off. WoW doesn’t really have that. Warcraft has an ending like a fat burglar finishes dinner in a Twinkie factory. He’s kind of only done until he has the energy to open his mouth again. And speaking of, for those of you hoping to look back on your day with a real sense of accomplishment… I’d go into Twinkie burglaring before World of Warcraft. Your adult-onset diabetes might not have as big a stamina bonus as your Bloodstained Elven Battlevest, but at least it’s real.

Thanks for learning with me and the Super Mario Brothers. You did great!

That last sentence is sheer gold!

Jul 17, 2009#109

Piotyr

So the argument boils down to this: Being a sports fan is socially acceptable, and being a video game player is not.

Beyond that, everything else is pointless noise.

Jul 17, 2009#110

Chazwozel

Edrondol said:
Chazwozel said:

Edrondol said:

Scatter-Two. Bunch Right-Zip-Fire Right-273-Pivot-F Flat. On two. Ready? BREAK!

Sounds easy enough.

Click to expand...

23 skadoo!

Those are on field call-signs. The other team isn't supposed to understand them!

Click to expand...

EXACTLY! So are the in the game terms used by WoW raiders! If you were speaking to WoW spectators the terms used and level of depth would be different. This is why comparing WoW and sports does not make sense.

If I recall, I'm never the one who starts these shitty sports to video games analogies. And it always ends up being hockey because morons seem to believe that's all I understand...

-- Fri Jul 17, 2009 2:44 pm --

Piotyr said:
So the argument boils down to this: Being a sports fan is socially acceptable, and being a video game player is not.

Beyond that, everything else is pointless noise.

Yes! Fucking nerds.

Jul 17, 2009#111

Penn & Teller had a great comparison the other night on Bullshit.

Say that video games had been around for a hundred years or so and that there were professional leagues set up and that games were played and watched by large numbers of spectators. There would be fantasy leagues, etc.

Now in the mid 80's or so someone invented football - a sport where actual kids were getting hurt and sometimes killed during play. Do you think that there would be these sports allowed in our schools or do you think that there would be an uprising against it as there is against violent video games right now?

The only difference between video games and sports is the spectator base and the level of interest paid in being one of the aforementioned spectators.

And I use NFL because I know that. I can't speak to hockey because I don't watch it, nor do I understand it when it's being talked about in a technical manner.

Jul 17, 2009#112

Chazwozel

Edrondol said:
Penn & Teller had a great comparison the other night on Bullshit.

Say that video games had been around for a hundred years or so and that there were professional leagues set up and that games were played and watched by large numbers of spectators. There would be fantasy leagues, etc.

Now in the mid 80's or so someone invented football - a sport where actual kids were getting hurt and sometimes killed during play. Do you think that there would be these sports allowed in our schools or do you think that there would be an uprising against it as there is against violent video games right now?

The only difference between video games and sports is the spectator base and the level of interest paid in being one of the aforementioned spectators.

And I use NFL because I know that. I can't speak to hockey because I don't watch it, nor do I understand it when it's being talked about in a technical manner.

They were using that as an example of violence being blamed on video games, not to denote if they are one in the same thing.

Here we go....

Video games are not sports.

Jul 17, 2009#113

ScytheRexx

The part of the article I quoted is absolutely correct. To the average person.......

I think it was not a very fair comment, though, but it is from a comedy website. I don't think it was supposed to be 100% accurate.

Star Wars has a lot more time under it's belt. It has been around since the 70s, and many of the people that grew up watching it as a kid have now become adults, thus telling their own kids, and the cycle goes on as information spreads out. I can already tell if you walked into a room during the 70s and started talking about the Force and the political criminal climate of the planet Tatooine, and how Chewbacca's weapon was called a Bowcaster, people would look up at you kind of funny too. I can walk into any gaming store these days, say the name "Illidan" and at least two people will make a "You are not prepared" joke. In the end, how WoW is seen in 30+ years will be locked to it's longevity. Star Wars has the nice advantage of being a movie that one can watch now, WoW, when it finally shuts down, will not.

I don't think WoW will have the general longevity of Star Wars, but I also thing the comparison was rather flawed, unless Cracked has a time machine.

Also, good show Ed, good show.

Jul 17, 2009#114

Shegokigo

Chazwozel said:
Shegokigo said:

Chazwozel said:

The part of the article I quoted is absolutely correct. To the average person.......

Click to expand...

Pssst, the average person loved Transformers 2. :slywink:

Click to expand...

Haha

Section One: Idiots

Click to expand...

I guess the same people that loved Transformers 2 are those folks that make up the bulk of WoW.

You're backpeddling on yourself. You said the average person would have no idea what WoW is about or they wouldn't understand what anyone talking about WoW was getting at. :slywink:

Jul 17, 2009#115

Chazwozel

ScytheRexx said:
The part of the article I quoted is absolutely correct. To the average person.......

Click to expand...

I think it was not a very fair comment, though, but it is from a comedy website. I don't think it was supposed to be 100% accurate.

Star Wars has a lot more time under it's belt. It has been around since the 70s, and many of the people that grew up watching it as a kid have now become adults, thus telling their own kids, and the cycle goes on as information spreads out. I can already tell if you walked into a room during the 70s and started talking about the Force and the political criminal climate of the planet Tatooine, and how Chewbacca's weapon was called a Bowcaster, people would look up at you kind of funny too. I can walk into any gaming store these days, say the name "Illidan" and at least two people will make a "You are not prepared" joke. In the end, how WoW is seen in 30+ years will be locked to it's longevity. Star Wars has the nice advantage of being a movie that one can watch now, WoW, when it finally shuts down, will not.

I don't think WoW will have the general longevity of Star Wars, but I also thing the comparison was rather flawed, unless Cracked has a time machine.

Also, good show Ed, good show.

Bottom line: WoW is for morons who even suck at regular video games. There I said it.

Jul 17, 2009#116

ScytheRexx

Chazwozel said:
Bottom line: WoW is for morons who even suck at regular video games. There I said it.

Well at least you are now making it easier for people to realize your opinion on a subject does not matter in the least, at least now we don't have to discuss it further, since you already tainted your arguement from this point out.

Jul 17, 2009#117

elph

Chazwozel said:
In Super Mario Brothers, you play the part of a brick-breaking plumber working a kidnapping case. I don’t want to spoil the finale, but it pays off. WoW doesn’t really have that. Warcraft has an ending like a fat burglar finishes dinner in a Twinkie factory. He’s kind of only done until he has the energy to open his mouth again. And speaking of, for those of you hoping to look back on your day with a real sense of accomplishment… I’d go into Twinkie burglaring before World of Warcraft. Your adult-onset diabetes might not have as big a stamina bonus as your Bloodstained Elven Battlevest, but at least it’s real.

Thanks for learning with me and the Super Mario Brothers. You did great!

Click to expand...

That last sentence is sheer gold!

It is pretty funny and I agree with it. It goes for all MMOs in my opinion.

See the difference is that you play hockey. You actually get your hands dirty and go play. You enjoy the sport. You enjoy watching because it's like studying and improving on your game. Much like people watch movies on how to beat X boss. You like reading on it because it improves your game. Much like people reading strat guides.

What's the % of people that watch hockey to those that actually play it in some physical fashion? What's the % of people that watch MMOs to those that actually play them to some degree? I'm pretty sure the MMOs when out on that one.

Jul 17, 2009#118

Chazwozel

Shegokigo said:
Chazwozel said:

Shegokigo said:

Chazwozel said:

The part of the article I quoted is absolutely correct. To the average person.......

Click to expand...

Pssst, the average person loved Transformers 2. :slywink:

Click to expand...

Haha

Section One: Idiots

Click to expand...

I guess the same people that loved Transformers 2 are those folks that make up the bulk of WoW.

Click to expand...

You're backpeddling on yourself. You said the average person would have no idea what WoW is about or they wouldn't understand what anyone talking about WoW was getting at. :slywink:

yeah sorry, it's hard being attacked from all fronts when you walk into a house full of heroin addicts and take away their drugs.

The average idiot plays both WoW and thinks that Transformers 2 is a profound, enlightened piece that debates the very essence of the human spirit. This idiot is incoherent and his inane babble of raids and dungeons is of little use to those of a higher intelligence. Run along now, "ow my balls" is about to start. :smug:

-- Fri Jul 17, 2009 2:56 pm --

ScytheRexx said:
Chazwozel said:

Bottom line: WoW is for morons who even suck at regular video games. There I said it.

Click to expand...

Well at least you are now making it easier for people to realize your opinion on a subject does not matter in the least, at least now we don't have to discuss it further, since you already tainted your arguement from this point out.

Oh please, you're accusing me of bias? Like you're any different? You'd lick out Chris Metzen's asshole if he bent over and pulled his pants in front of you. Any negative comment towards Blizzard always sends you into a white knight frenzy.

Jul 17, 2009#119

Shegokigo

Personally I think the "Ow My Balls" crowd is defenitely more from the "Physical Sports" side of the populance than from the gaming side.

Chazwozel said:
Oh please, you're accusing me of bias? Like you're any different? You'd lick out Chris Metzen's asshole if he bent over and pulled his pants in front of you. Any negative comment towards Blizzard always sends you into a white knight frenzy.

Um, no? (I realize that wasn't directed at me, none the less.....)

We're simply saying "Why do you think your interests have more bearing than ours?" and you've yet to respond with anything other than "it's more socially accepted", but what's more socially accepted these days is the exact opposite of what anyone with a lick of intelligence would want to associate themselves with.

It's just that simple Chaz.

Jul 17, 2009#120

Chazwozel

Shegokigo said:
Personally I think the "Ow My Balls" crowd is defenitely more from the "Physical Sports" side of the populance than from the gaming side.

You've obviously never been on xbox live or read the WoW forums...

All the guys I grew playing football or ice hockey with range from doctors to lawyers to high end business types. And that's not even an exaggeration, but you keep hold of that precious Revenge of the Nerds perception.

Jul 17, 2009#121

ScytheRexx

Chazwozel said:
Oh please, like you're any different? You'd lick out Chris Metzen's * if he bent over and pulled his pants in front of you.

I will just shoot back with an "at least I am not licking my own ass, you got that covered in stride." Since you are now degrading out of actual discussion into the realm of "Nah ah you suck!" territory.

I await your "You are a loser epic fanboy cocksucker bitch with no life asshole" comment that is sure to follow. :popcorn:

Jul 17, 2009#122

Chaz is having some fun today! :rofl:

Video Games are not sports. This I agree with. I also think NASCAR is not a sport & Pro bowlers are not athletes. But competitive video gaming is growing and will probably be given the designation of sport sooner rather than later.

Sport:

1. Physical activity that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often engaged in competitively.
2. A particular form of this activity.
3. An activity involving physical exertion and skill that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often undertaken competitively.
4. An active pastime; recreation.

I believe that these definitions preclude those of video games - for now. But you start factoring in motion sensor devices and virtual reality and you'll have sporting event that will surpass those which are currently being played.

I fully understand what it is you are saying, Chaz, but I disagree that knowing terminology because you are involved with something is less useful to the general populace than knowing only common terminology used by those spectating a different and equally useless activity.

Jul 17, 2009#123

sixpackshaker

The difference between a sports fan and a video game player is the level of interaction. A sports fan sits on his fat ass and yells at the TV, and has ZERO effect on the outcome. A video game player sits on his fat ass yells at the TV or Monitor and participates in the outcome.

The true over the top sports fanatic is not well received either. Because no one else out side of that little clutch of fanatics can give a shit about batting average, quarterback rankings, or number of hat tricks. Or go to a sports bar to watch a game and you get that ass-hat that needs to yell and scream about every nuance and call, then gets mad at people for talking during the play...

Video games mostly boil down to and individual sport that few others care to hear about out side of the game store or voice chat.

Jul 17, 2009#124

Shegokigo

Chazwozel said:
You've obviously never been on xbox live or read the WoW forums....

You ever been to a sports game? :slywink:

Jul 17, 2009#125

Chazwozel

ScytheRexx said:
Chazwozel said:

Oh please, like you're any different? You'd lick out Chris Metzen's * if he bent over and pulled his pants in front of you.

Click to expand...

I will just shoot back with an "at least I am not licking my own a**, you got that covered in stride." Since you are now degrading out of actual discussion into the realm of "Nah ah you suck!" territory.

I await your "You are a loser epic fanboy cocksucker * with no life *" comment that is sure to follow.

I'm not JCM. :toocool:

-- Fri Jul 17, 2009 3:03 pm --

Shegokigo said:
Chazwozel said:

You've obviously never been on xbox live or read the WoW forums....

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You ever been to a sports game? :slywink:

You ever been around someone drunk? Anywhere?

Jul 17, 2009#126

Shegokigo

Chazwozel said:
I'm not JCM. :toocool:

To which the reason this conversation has actually proceeded pretty decently in my opinion. Cept the whole tossing Metz's salad. :slywink:

Chazwozel said:
You ever been around someone drunk? Anywhere?

On a daily basis

. I have to admit though, I've found more intelligence within PC gamers than any tailgate party. I mean, that's just :Leyla:

Jul 17, 2009#127

sixpackshaker

Shegokigo said:
Chazwozel said:

You've obviously never been on xbox live or read the WoW forums....

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You ever been to a sports game? :slywink:

Yeah, lets listen to people that know how to interact in public, scream profanities for 3 hours while grown men play children's games.

Jul 17, 2009#128

Chazwozel

Edrondol said:
I fully understand what it is you are saying, Chaz, but I disagree that knowing terminology because you are involved with something is less useful to the general populace than knowing only common terminology used by those spectating a different and equally useless activity.

Fine.

-- Fri Jul 17, 2009 3:06 pm --

Shegokigo said:
Chazwozel said:

I'm not JCM. :toocool:

Click to expand...

To which the reason this conversation has actually proceeded pretty decently in my opinion. Cept the whole tossing Metz's salad. :slywink:

Chazwozel said:

You ever been around someone drunk? Anywhere?

Click to expand...

At least daily. I have to admit though, I've found more intelligence within PC gamers than any tailgate party. I mean, that's just

I hear black people like watermellons...

Jul 17, 2009#129

elph

Chazwozel said:
If I recall, I'm never the one who starts these shitty sports to video games analogies. And it always ends up being hockey because morons seem to believe that's all I understand...

Chazwozel said:
Me after the Stanley Cup Final:

Awesome game, did you see Talbot's second goal to the top shelf past Osgood?

Click to expand...

Wow nerd after a raid.
[quote:3lt67juv]
So the first thing my guild (the tommy knockers on shadowfang) does is attacks lord zorlorft with a stun spell, but our stupid rogue first sapped the adds which in turn generated tons of aggro onto the guys who were fighting the add mobs into wtfpwnbbqsauce and then.....

See the difference?

http://www.cracked.com/blog/understandi ... -brothers/[/quote:3lt67juv]

You were the one to start the sport comparison (at least this time, I don't pay attention enough for past events) and specifically started it with Hockey. We were just following your lead.

Jul 17, 2009#130

Chibibar

Chazwozel said:
Shegokigo said:

Personally I think the "Ow My Balls" crowd is defenitely more from the "Physical Sports" side of the populance than from the gaming side.

Click to expand...

You've obviously never been on xbox live or read the WoW forums....

also remember that like most forums, it is only a small fraction of the players actually post on them (usually the same people) kinda like our forum. How many lurkers vs actual posters?

There are 10+ millions WoW players (well 6 million in China... so lets say 4 million players that are NOT in China) how many of that number are U.S. players? European? Taiwan? etc etc. and out of that, how many actually post on WoW forums?

I am guessing a small number. Also the end content usually "unlocks" or experience by small group of people (I don't even know the numbers but since they are tough and require coordination between players to be successful) that is even smaller.

There are tons of players and many have no even been to Kara (or finish it) BEFORE the "nerf" patch. We have notice a trend that the devs are making the end content accessible toward casual gamer (which may take them 2-3 years before they even SEE end content)

Jul 17, 2009#131

Chazwozel

elph said:
Chazwozel said:

If I recall, I'm never the one who starts these shitty sports to video games analogies. And it always ends up being hockey because morons seem to believe that's all I understand...

Click to expand...

Chazwozel said:

Me after the Stanley Cup Final:

Awesome game, did you see Talbot's second goal to the top shelf past Osgood?

Click to expand...

Wow nerd after a raid.
[quote:38er7x1k]
So the first thing my guild (the tommy knockers on shadowfang) does is attacks lord zorlorft with a stun spell, but our stupid rogue first sapped the adds which in turn generated tons of aggro onto the guys who were fighting the add mobs into wtfpwnbbqsauce and then.....

Click to expand...

See the difference?

http://www.cracked.com/blog/understandi ... -brothers/

You were the one to start the sport comparison (at least this time, I don't pay attention enough for past events) and specifically started it with Hockey. We were just following your lead.[/quote:38er7x1k]

Chibibar said:
Chazwozel said:

Edrondol said:

I would say that each of us on this board has their own little area of useless knowledge. I'm sure you have one, too.

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Oh everyone does. Mines just random facts. I rock at Jeopardy, Trivial Pursuit, and Who wants to be a Millionare.

I guess my resentment towards WoW players still lingers from me wanting to punch someone anytime I hear their inane leet speak babble and drawn out raid stories. I had a former grad student colleague would would come to my lab and just prattle on about his guild's latest exploits. Ugh...

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heh....

How is that different from a group of guys talking about sports and the latest "cool play" they saw on TV? (yea I know people like that and there are MORE people like that than WoW players) I mean I have co-workers talk about some "great plays" in Football, Basketball, Hockey, Soccer and such.... Or how someone talk about fishing/hunting (just for fun not for food) or anything else for that matter.

To each their own I say

Post right before my sports comparison. I just followed up with a simple example on how a normal person can pick up verbs like 'skating' and 'shooting' over 'nerfed', 'kite', 'aggroed'.

Jul 17, 2009#132

Shegokigo

Chazwozel said:
I hear black people like watermellons...

A swing and a miss.

Don't worry folks, he's still go two to go! :slywink:

Jul 17, 2009#133

Chazwozel

Shegokigo said:
Chazwozel said:

I hear black people like watermellons...

Click to expand...

A swing and a miss.

Don't worry folks, he's still go two to go! :slywink:

No seriously, that's exactly where you were going with your idiotic stereotyping right?

Jul 17, 2009#134

elph

Chazwozel said:
How is that different from a group of guys talking about sports and the latest "cool play" they saw on TV? (yea I know people like that and there are MORE people like that than WoW players) I mean I have co-workers talk about some "great plays" in Football, Basketball, Hockey, Soccer and such.... Or how someone talk about fishing/hunting (just for fun not for food) or anything else for that matter.

To each their own I say

Click to expand...

Post right before my sports comparison.

He does bring in sports. I missed that since I was only looking at your posts for something to show, but he also brings in other sports for his example. Even fishing.

You're the one to bring in Hockey. Stanley Cup is hockey, right?

You could have changed the whole comparison argument and stuck with the car one that was started before, but you carried on with the sports.

Jul 17, 2009#135

Shegokigo

Chazwozel said:
Shegokigo said:

Chazwozel said:

I hear black people like watermellons...

Click to expand...

A swing and a miss.

Don't worry folks, he's still go two to go! :slywink:

Click to expand...

No seriously, that's exactly where you were going with your idiotic stereotyping right?

Nope, I was saying that I personally (as in me and my experiences in life) have found a more intelligent group of people within gaming circles than I have in the sports circles, and I have been around both extensively.

Am I saying there are NO dumbasses in gaming? Oh no, I've met my share. Am I saying there are NO intelligent people in sports fans? Defenitely not, I know a few doctors who are huge sports fans.

My point is from simple personal experience, as does yours. The difference here, is I don't typecast all sports fans the way you typecast all WoW fans.

Jul 17, 2009#136

SeraRelm

No, it's Tennis.

Wimbledon is Hockey.

Jul 17, 2009#137

Chazwozel

elph said:
Chazwozel said:

How is that different from a group of guys talking about sports and the latest "cool play" they saw on TV? (yea I know people like that and there are MORE people like that than WoW players) I mean I have co-workers talk about some "great plays" in Football, Basketball, Hockey, Soccer and such.... Or how someone talk about fishing/hunting (just for fun not for food) or anything else for that matter.

To each their own I say

Click to expand...

Post right before my sports comparison.

Click to expand...

He does bring in sports. I missed that since I was only looking at your posts for something to show, but he also brings in other sports for his example. Even fishing.

You're the one to bring in Hockey. Stanley Cup is hockey, right?

Fine, you got me.

Chr

You could have changed the whole comparison argument and stuck with the car one that was started before, but you carried on with the sports.

Honestly, who cares?

-- Fri Jul 17, 2009 3:18 pm --

Shegokigo said:
Chazwozel said:

Shegokigo said:

Chazwozel said:

I hear black people like watermellons...

Click to expand...

A swing and a miss.

Don't worry folks, he's still go two to go! :slywink:

Click to expand...

No seriously, that's exactly where you were going with your idiotic stereotyping right?

Click to expand...

Nope, I was saying that I personally (as in me and my experiences in life) have found a more intelligent group of people within gaming circles than I have in the sports circles, and I have been around both extensively.

Am I saying there are NO dumbasses in gaming? Oh no, I've met my share. Am I saying there are NO intelligent people in sports fans? Defenitely not, I know a few doctors who are huge sports fans.

My point is from simple personal experience, as does yours. The difference here, is I don't typecast all sports fans the way you typecast all WoW fans.

I have yet to meet a WoW fan who isn't a.) an idiot b.) a dickhead c.) a whiny little bitch d.) a kid

Jul 17, 2009#138

elph

SeraRelm said:
No, it's Tennis.

Wimbledon is Hockey.

Ahh. Thank you.

Jul 17, 2009#139

Cajungal

Chazwozel said:
I have yet to meet a WoW fan who isn't a.) an idiot b.) a dickhead c.) a whiny little bitch d.) a kid

You're right. Black people DO like watermelon.

Jul 17, 2009#140

ScytheRexx

No seriously, that's exactly where you were going with your idiotic stereotyping right?

Bottom line: WoW is for morons who even suck at regular video games. There I said it.

Anyone else seem the bitter aroma of hypocrisy? :smug:

Jul 17, 2009#141

Chazwozel

elph said:
SeraRelm said:

No, it's Tennis.

Wimbledon is Hockey.

Click to expand...

Ahh. Thank you.

I...can't...tell...if this is sarcasm... :waah:

Jul 17, 2009#142

Chazwozel said:
I have yet to meet a WoW fan who isn't a.) an idiot b.) a dickhead c.) a whiny little bitch d.) a kid

Which am I?

Jul 17, 2009#143

Shegokigo

Chazwozel said:
I have yet to meet a WoW fan who isn't a.) an idiot b.) a dickhead c.) a whiny little bitch d.) a kid

Wow. Thanks for that. :eek:

rly:

Anyway, you judge 4million people based on your few interactions? I don't mean to agree with Cajun's assesement but you're almost hitting that point.

Jul 17, 2009#144

Piotyr

Edrondol said:
Chazwozel said:

I have yet to meet a WoW fan who isn't a.) an idiot b.) a * c.) a whiny little * d.) a kid

Click to expand...

Which am I?

Well, obviously, you aren't a kid.

Jul 17, 2009#145

Chazwozel

ScytheRexx said:
No seriously, that's exactly where you were going with your idiotic stereotyping right?

Click to expand...

[quote:e01tzgro]Bottom line: WoW is for morons who even suck at regular video games. There I said it.

Anyone else seem the bitter aroma of hypocrisy? :smug:[/quote:e01tzgro]

Still better than having Metzen dick breath.

Jul 17, 2009#146

Piotyr

ScytheRexx said:
No seriously, that's exactly where you were going with your idiotic stereotyping right?

Click to expand...

[quote:2dxtedxz]Bottom line: WoW is for morons who even suck at regular video games. There I said it.

Anyone else seem the bitter aroma of hypocrisy? :smug:[/quote:2dxtedxz]
Shocking news: Chaz makes a post to get a rise out of people in a WoW thread.

Film at 11.

Jul 17, 2009#147

Piotyr said:
Edrondol said:

Chazwozel said:

I have yet to meet a WoW fan who isn't a.) an idiot b.) a * c.) a whiny little * d.) a kid

Click to expand...

Which am I?

Click to expand...

Well, obviously, you aren't a kid.

:tear:

:tear:

:waah:

Jul 17, 2009#148

Cajungal

Shegokigo said:
Chazwozel said:

I have yet to meet a WoW fan who isn't a.) an idiot b.) a dickhead c.) a whiny little bitch d.) a kid

Click to expand...

Wow. Thanks for that. rly:

Anyway, you judge 4million people based on your few interactions? I don't mean to agree with Cajun's assesement but you're almost hitting that point.

I was only alluding to something someone else said earlier... I'm not racist.

Jul 17, 2009#149

Chibibar

Chazwozel said:
Post right before my sports comparison. I just followed up with a simple example on how a normal person can pick up verbs like 'skating' and 'shooting' over 'nerfed', 'kite', 'aggroed'.

ahh... but we are talking about generation gap tho...

The X generation is pretty much where the videogame was born (from the first PacMan and Mario Brothers) the Gen Y pick up the terms WAY faster and easily.

Sports has been around for a long time. I am trying to think of an official sport that is newly created but I can't think of any (at least around the same time when video game was invented)

until recently... I didn't what a "check" was in hockey until I watch a movie about hockey (Mystery Alaska) but never watch an actual game cause it never interest me. I didn't know what a "strike" is in Baseball until I saw in the movies, but I do know what a strike is in bowling since I bowl (well use to got my own ball and shoes and use to be in a league) some of the sports term I learn are from movies and the media. Videogames are now mainstream. So I say in another 20 years or so (probably less) a lot of these terms would be common.

A lot of people in my crowd would know more about kiting and fragging vs pinch hitter (which I have no idea what it is without googling) and a short stop.

Edit: since I was a WoW player I guess I'm one of those (can't be a kid since I start playing at 35 I guess)
Shego doesn't seem to fit and Ed plays so where do they stand?

Jul 17, 2009#150

SeraRelm

Not taking sides on this, but Shego, didn't you just prove his point concerning how common place sports terms are compared to WoW terms in every day conversation?

"A swing and a miss. Don't worry folks, he's still go two to go!"
Rather than...
"A try and a wipe! Don't worry folks, he's still got 15 minutes left on the Strat 45!"
?

Jul 17, 2009#151

Shegokigo

Cajungal said:
I was only alluding to something someone else said earlier... I'm not racist.

No, but you were pointing out to Chaz that he was beginning to sound like he thought I was. Which I wasn't agreeing with exactly since he was simply talking about the people he had been in contact with and not everyone as a whole. Then his next post almost sounded like it was.

SeraRelm said:
Not taking sides on this, but Shego, didn't you just prove his point concerning how common place sports terms are compared to WoW terms in every day conversation?

"A swing and a miss. Don't worry folks, he's still go two to go!"
Rather than...
"A try and a wipe! Don't worry folks, he's still got 15 minutes left on the Strat 45!"
?

But I agree with him that sports teams are more common place. :Leyla:

I'm just saying I'd be more insulted someone told me that I had more in common with "them" than less.

Jul 17, 2009#152

Chazwozel

Chibibar said:
Shego doesn't seem to fit and Ed plays so where do they stand?

Dickheads. :rofl:

Jul 17, 2009#153

Cajungal

Shegokigo said:
Cajungal said:

I was only alluding to something someone else said earlier... I'm not racist.

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No, but you were pointing out to Chaz that he was beginning to sound like he thought I was. Which I wasn't agreeing with exactly since he was simply talking about the people he had been in contact with and not everyone as a whole. Then his next post almost sounded like it was.

O, ok. That's true, they're not the same. I've just seen bigorty come out of that kind of thinking: a few people in a group acted a certain way. I bet all/most of them act that way too." I'm not saying he necessarily feels that way.

Jul 17, 2009#154

AshburnerX

Edrondol said:
Sport:

1. Physical activity that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often engaged in competitively.
2. A particular form of this activity.
3. An activity involving physical exertion and skill that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often undertaken competitively.
4. An active pastime; recreation.

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By your definition, Chess wouldn't be considered a sport ether... and yet it's recognized as one by the International Olympic Committee. It's not contested in the Olympics (mainly because it already has an event for that) but it could be, if there were enough interest.

Gaming, as a whole, is definitely a sport. It takes skill to do a lot of the things that happen at it's upper echelons... but it will never be a sport in the way that Baseball or Soccer is because the form in which you practice the sport changes ever 2-3 years. When a new version of a fighting game or strategy game is being released every few years and everyone playing it has to relearn how to, it's hard to get the kind of following you'd need to make a "World Series" happen.

Jul 17, 2009#155

SeraRelm said:
Not taking sides on this, but Shego, didn't you just prove his point concerning how common place sports terms are compared to WoW terms in every day conversation?

"A swing and a miss. Don't worry folks, he's still go two to go!"
Rather than...
"A try and a wipe! Don't worry folks, he's still got 15 minutes left on the Strat 45!"
?

It's only because of their history that they have anything in the lexicon. Give it a few years for common terms to trickle down. And remember, it was spectating announcers who gave us these common terms.

Jul 17, 2009#156

Chazwozel

AshburnerX said:
Edrondol said:

Sport:

1. Physical activity that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often engaged in competitively.
2. A particular form of this activity.
3. An activity involving physical exertion and skill that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often undertaken competitively.
4. An active pastime; recreation.

Click to expand...

Click to expand...

By your definition, Chess wouldn't be considered a sport ether... and yet it's recognized as one by the International Olympic Committee. It's not contested in the Olympics (mainly because it already has an event for that) but it could be, if there were enough interest.

Gaming, as a whole, is definitely a sport. It takes skill to do a lot of the things that happen at it's upper echelons... but it will never be a sport in the way that Baseball or Soccer is because the form in which you practice the sport changes ever 2-3 years. When a new version of a fighting game or strategy game is being released every few years and everyone playing it has to relearn how to, it's hard to get the kind of following you'd need to make a "World Series" happen.

Oh please for the love of God. Just shut up.

Jul 17, 2009#157

Edrondol said:
Chazwozel said:

I have yet to meet a WoW fan who isn't a.) an idiot b.) a dickhead c.) a whiny little bitch d.) a kid

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Which am I?

I guess that makes me a...dickhead?

Jul 17, 2009#158

sixpackshaker

Edrondol said:
Chazwozel said:

I have yet to meet a WoW fan who isn't a.) an idiot b.) a * c.) a whiny little * d.) a kid

Click to expand...

Which am I?

Me too.

Jul 17, 2009#159

Piotyr

Edrondol said:
SeraRelm said:

Not taking sides on this, but Shego, didn't you just prove his point concerning how common place sports terms are compared to WoW terms in every day conversation?

"A swing and a miss. Don't worry folks, he's still go two to go!"
Rather than...
"A try and a wipe! Don't worry folks, he's still got 15 minutes left on the Strat 45!"
?

Click to expand...

It's only because of their history that they have anything in the lexicon. Give it a few years for common terms to trickle down. And remember, it was spectating announcers who gave us these common terms.

Well, Leeroy Jenkins was on Jeopardy!.

Jul 17, 2009#160

Chaz, buddy. I love ya. But why the hell did you even come into a WoW thread? I know you stir shit like Emeril cooks, but why?

Jul 17, 2009#161

Chazwozel

ZenMonkey said:
Edrondol said:

Chazwozel said:

I have yet to meet a WoW fan who isn't a.) an idiot b.) a * c.) a whiny little * d.) a kid

Click to expand...

Which am I?

Click to expand...

I guess that makes me a...*?

It's ok, so was I when I played.

-- Fri Jul 17, 2009 3:30 pm --

sixpackshaker said:
Edrondol said:

Chazwozel said:

I have yet to meet a WoW fan who isn't a.) an idiot b.) a * c.) a whiny little * d.) a kid

Click to expand...

Which am I?

Click to expand...

Me too.

See a.)

Jul 17, 2009#162

SeraRelm

Mr. T is not a kid.

Jul 17, 2009#163

Shakey

Chazwozel said:
AshburnerX said:

Edrondol said:

Sport:

1. Physical activity that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often engaged in competitively.
2. A particular form of this activity.
3. An activity involving physical exertion and skill that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often undertaken competitively.
4. An active pastime; recreation.

Click to expand...

Click to expand...

By your definition, Chess wouldn't be considered a sport ether... and yet it's recognized as one by the International Olympic Committee. It's not contested in the Olympics (mainly because it already has an event for that) but it could be, if there were enough interest.

Gaming, as a whole, is definitely a sport. It takes skill to do a lot of the things that happen at it's upper echelons... but it will never be a sport in the way that Baseball or Soccer is because the form in which you practice the sport changes ever 2-3 years. When a new version of a fighting game or strategy game is being released every few years and everyone playing it has to relearn how to, it's hard to get the kind of following you'd need to make a "World Series" happen.

Click to expand...

Oh please for the love of God. Just shut up.

Oh please for the love of God. Just shut up.

Just because you're bored doesn't mean you need to shit on every WoW thread that pops up.

Jul 17, 2009#164

sixpackshaker

Chazwozel said:
AshburnerX said:

Edrondol said:

Sport:

1. Physical activity that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often engaged in competitively.
2. A particular form of this activity.
3. An activity involving physical exertion and skill that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often undertaken competitively.
4. An active pastime; recreation.

Click to expand...

Click to expand...

By your definition, Chess wouldn't be considered a sport ether... and yet it's recognized as one by the International Olympic Committee. It's not contested in the Olympics (mainly because it already has an event for that) but it could be, if there were enough interest.

Gaming, as a whole, is definitely a sport. It takes skill to do a lot of the things that happen at it's upper echelons... but it will never be a sport in the way that Baseball or Soccer is because the form in which you practice the sport changes ever 2-3 years. When a new version of a fighting game or strategy game is being released every few years and everyone playing it has to relearn how to, it's hard to get the kind of following you'd need to make a "World Series" happen.

Click to expand...

Oh please for the love of God. Just shut up.

Who pissed in your stereotyping Wheaties this morning?

Jul 17, 2009#165

Chaz is trying to be to WoW what GB is to politics and failing miserably.

Jul 17, 2009#166

Shegokigo

Shakey said:
Just because you're bored doesn't mean you need to shit on every WoW thread that pops up.

Well other than the direct attacks I think it's been pretty productive little conversation. :uhhuh:

Jul 17, 2009#167

elph

Chazwozel said:
elph said:

SeraRelm said:

No, it's Tennis.

Wimbledon is Hockey.

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Ahh. Thank you.

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I...can't...tell...if this is sarcasm... :waah:

It is sarcasm Chaz.

See, I'm not against sports at all. I'd love to play something. However, there's a drastic difference (to me) of meeting people to play a sport with (soccer, basketball, and hockey are my general favorites that I'd like to play) then there is in playing a video game. I'm not exactly out of shape and I would love the exercise. It's just easier to sit down at a computer then it is to cart 2 kids (a 1 year old and a 6 year old) around trying to find people to play with. We have a tennis court in our complex, but aside from there not really being anyone to play with, I have a depth perception issue (my only real physical fault) since I'm half blind in 1 eye.

I just have no interest in watching professional sports, but that doesn't mean I'm exactly ignorant of how they work either.

Jul 17, 2009#168

Chazwozel

Edrondol said:
Chaz, buddy. I love ya. But why the * did you even come into a WoW thread? I know you stir poop like Emeril cooks, but why?

I just came in to put some butthurt into ScytheRexx's Blizzard humping when he was arguing against Shannow's accurate assessment, that just because some data miners found a bit of crap in WoW doesn't automatically deduce that it's evidence for new player races.

Jul 17, 2009#169

Shegokigo

Chazwozel said:
I just came in to put some butthurt into ScytheRexx's Blizzard humping when he was arguing against Shannow's accurate assessment, that just because some data miners found a bit of crap in WoW doesn't automatically deduce that it's evidence for new player races.

Thing is though, you're wrong. It is, he's right.

Jul 17, 2009#170

Chazwozel

ZenMonkey said:
Chaz is trying to be to WoW what GB is to politics and failing miserably.

No, I don't mind WoW nearly much as the addicts that defend it to their dying breath.

Jul 17, 2009#171

Shakey

Shegokigo said:
Shakey said:

Just because you're bored doesn't mean you need to shit on every WoW thread that pops up.

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Well other than the direct attacks I think it's been pretty productive little conversation. :uhhuh:

Except that he starts the same damn argument every time. It just gets old.

Jul 17, 2009#172

Piotyr

Chazwozel said:
ZenMonkey said:

Chaz is trying to be to WoW what GB is to politics and failing miserably.

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No, I don't mind WoW nearly much as the addicts that defend it to their dying breath.

Or even the addicts that just can't stay out of threads and proceed to attack it to their dying breath?

Jul 17, 2009#173

SeraRelm

Right for the wrong reasons. :angry:
:slap: :explode: :moon: :quote: :zombie:

Jul 17, 2009#174

Chazwozel

Shakey said:
Shegokigo said:

Shakey said:

Just because you're bored doesn't mean you need to poop on every WoW thread that pops up.

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Well other than the direct attacks I think it's been pretty productive little conversation. :uhhuh:

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Except that he starts the same damn argument every time. It just gets old.

Then... don't... read... the ....thread...

-- Fri Jul 17, 2009 3:39 pm --

Piotyr said:
Chazwozel said:

ZenMonkey said:

Chaz is trying to be to WoW what GB is to politics and failing miserably.

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No, I don't mind WoW nearly much as the addicts that defend it to their dying breath.

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Or even the addicts that just can't stay out of threads and proceed to attack it to their dying breath?

No, I attack the poster not the topic. The best way to shut me up is for you to shut the fuck up first.

Jul 17, 2009#175

elph

Shegokigo said:
Chazwozel said:

I just came in to put some butthurt into ScytheRexx's Blizzard humping when he was arguing against Shannow's accurate assessment, that just because some data miners found a bit of crap in WoW doesn't automatically deduce that it's evidence for new player races.

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Thing is though, you're wrong. It is, he's right.

I've got to admit. I was doubtful at first until he went down the line of events. What made me more of a believer was that he pointed out the female worgen model. If it was just a new male model, fine, but with the addition of the female skin, it's a bit more believeable that maybe, just maybe, it could be a player race.

Also that MMO-Champion and a few other major sites have nothing on it. They're not ones to let something like this slide. They always cover the new skins found in a patch and go into theory about them. Since they have nothing about this, it means either a) they're slow (not likely) or b) they've been told to pull it (which would only happen if it was leaking true information / theory).

As much as I may like/not like WoW because I don't play it anymore. I couldn't really argue against that at the moment.

Jul 17, 2009#176

Pojodan

I think this thread serves as an ideal indicator of what Halforum's community is like. :thumbsup:

Jul 17, 2009#177

Chazwozel

elph said:
Shegokigo said:

Chazwozel said:

I just came in to put some butthurt into ScytheRexx's Blizzard humping when he was arguing against Shannow's accurate assessment, that just because some data miners found a bit of crap in WoW doesn't automatically deduce that it's evidence for new player races.

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Thing is though, you're wrong. It is, he's right.

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I've got to admit. I was doubtful at first until he went down the line of events. What made me more of a believer was that he pointed out the female worgen model. If it was just a new male model, fine, but with the addition of the female skin, it's a bit more believeable that maybe, just maybe, it could be a player race.

Also that MMO-Champion and a few other major sites have nothing on it. They're not ones to let something like this slide. They always cover the new skins found in a patch and go into theory about them. Since they have nothing about this, it means either a) they're slow (not likely) or b) they've been told to pull it (which would only happen if it was leaking true information / theory).

As much as I may like/not like WoW because I don't play it anymore. I couldn't really argue against that at the moment.

Yeah, I was starting to believe him too actually. I'd love to hold a conversation with ScytheRexx without his smugness making me want to punch him in the nose (which is generally why I get a kick out of WoW bashing :finger: ).

Jul 17, 2009#178

SeraRelm

Wait... It's gotta be true because there's nothing on it?

:aaahhh:

Jul 17, 2009#179

Shakey

Chazwozel said:
Shakey said:

Shegokigo said:

Shakey said:

Just because you're bored doesn't mean you need to poop on every WoW thread that pops up.

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Well other than the direct attacks I think it's been pretty productive little conversation. :uhhuh:

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Except that he starts the same damn argument every time. It just gets old.

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Then... don't... read... the ....thread...

This thread was about possible new races in WoW until you shat all over it. You do it to every WoW thread.

Don't... post... in... WoW... theads... if... you... don't... like... the... game...

Jul 17, 2009#180

Chibibar

AshburnerX said:
Gaming, as a whole, is definitely a sport. It takes skill to do a lot of the things that happen at it's upper echelons... but it will never be a sport in the way that Baseball or Soccer is because the form in which you practice the sport changes ever 2-3 years. When a new version of a fighting game or strategy game is being released every few years and everyone playing it has to relearn how to, it's hard to get the kind of following you'd need to make a "World Series" happen.

well.... there is International competition for games.

Why the game itself changes (type of shooters and such) the basic still the same. I mean FPS is FPS but the CONTEXT (if that is the right word) changes like terrain, weapons, and such, but the basic gameplay using mouse and WADS key remain the same (even switching weapons and such) you just have to learn the terrain.

It is kinda like a virtual military enactment with a touch of Sci-Fi stuff. I mean even the military made a game "American Army 3" made by the U.S. Army and a recruiting tool.

I think video game tournaments are pretty cool. When a new game comes out, it level the playing field. Everyone need to start fresh and learn the new game but still retain their instinct.

Unlike other games where the field remains the same (well... maybe not golf. you can change the field) but Football you will ALWAYS have 100 yard and 2 field goal, hockey you will always have ice and 2 goals with nets (unless you playing street hockey) the basic playing is the same. To make changes to "level the field" would be
football that is 100 yard with rabid dog chasing you and the other teams has weapons. or Hockey with rocket lanchers playing on jello-o

Jul 17, 2009#181

Chazwozel

Shakey said:
Chazwozel said:

Shakey said:

Shegokigo said:

Well other than the direct attacks I think it's been pretty productive little conversation. :uhhuh:

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Except that he starts the same damn argument every time. It just gets old.

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Then... don't... read... the ....thread...

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This thread was about possible new races in WoW until you shat all over it. You do it to every WoW thread.

Don't... post... in... WoW... theads... if... you... don't... like... the... game...

Actually Shego started it...

It was actually pretty civil up to a point until some of you addicts started getting all pimple assed over my comments to her about the game.

Jul 17, 2009#182

Shakey

Chazwozel said:
Shegokigo said:

Chazwozel said:

:smug:

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:eyeroll:

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It's cute that you think WoW knowledge is relevant to anything.

You started it.

Jul 17, 2009#183

Piotyr

Chazwozel said:
Piotyr said:

Chazwozel said:

ZenMonkey said:

Chaz is trying to be to WoW what GB is to politics and failing miserably.

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No, I don't mind WoW nearly much as the addicts that defend it to their dying breath.

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Or even the addicts that just can't stay out of threads and proceed to attack it to their dying breath?

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No, I attack the poster not the topic. The best way to shut me up is for you to shut the smurf up first.

So, you'll stop shitting on threads as long as you have the last say on it? That's some interesting logic.

Jul 17, 2009#184

Chazwozel said:
Actually Shego started it...

Ah yes, the Toddler Defense. Always a good way to cement the maturity of your argument.

Chaz, you're being an asshole and you know it and you're proud of it and anything you say to deny that is bullshit. Why you can't just let people have their fun is beyond me.

Jul 17, 2009#185

Chazwozel

Piotyr said:
Chazwozel said:

Piotyr said:

Chazwozel said:

No, I don't mind WoW nearly much as the addicts that defend it to their dying breath.

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Or even the addicts that just can't stay out of threads and proceed to attack it to their dying breath?

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No, I attack the poster not the topic. The best way to shut me up is for you to shut the smurf up first.

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So, you'll stop shitting on threads as long as you have the last say on it? That's some interesting logic.

NO YOU!

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ZenMonkey said:
Chazwozel said:

Actually Shego started it...

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Ah yes, the Toddler Defense. Always a good way to cement the maturity of your argument.

Chaz, you're being an * and you know it and you're proud of it and anything you say to deny that is bullshit. Why you can't just let people have their fun is beyond me.

NO YOU!

Jul 17, 2009#186

sixpackshaker

Chazwozel said:
ZenMonkey said:

Edrondol said:

Chazwozel said:

I have yet to meet a WoW fan who isn't a.) an idiot b.) a * c.) a whiny little * d.) a kid

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Which am I?

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I guess that makes me a...*?

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It's ok, so was I when I played.

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sixpackshaker said:

Edrondol said:

Chazwozel said:

I have yet to meet a WoW fan who isn't a.) an idiot b.) a * c.) a whiny little * d.) a kid

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Which am I?

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Me too.

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See a.)

WoW has nothing to do with you being a Dick or an Idiot, when you stopped playing you were not miraculously cured.

Jul 17, 2009#187

Cajungal

*passes out cookies and apple juice*

Jul 17, 2009#188

elph

SeraRelm said:
Wait... It's gotta be true because there's nothing on it?

:aaahhh:

It's not that there's nothing on it. It's that what has been brought up has been pulled. For example, someone found the textures for the robot mini-pets before the Mt Dew promo started. It was then theorized that this was dealing with Mt Dew (blah blah blah) but the stuff was left on the site. It happens a lot, new mounts, new pets, etc... All kinds of little things that are in the current line up to be used are datamined and talked about to exhaustion. However, they are never pulled unless Blizzard requests it to be done (again, something that has happened with BC & even LK content).

So when I go to a site that is well known for datamining a patch or whatever to discuss this kind of thing, and there's nothing there. It's either they haven't gotten to it yet [not likely] or they have been ordered to pull it because it's dealing with an upcoming announcement that they plan to make (maybe Blizzcon).

News as big as "new race" is going to cause Blizzard to act fast to shut it up if it's true. If it's not, they'd just simply respond with something along the lines of "No, that's not a new race, we've got something up our sleeve, but we can't tell you what just yet. Expect something soon (tm)"

There is currently this thread on the warcraft site (12 pages). I'm curious if it will be deleted eventually, or if Blue will respond to it.
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/threa ... 5021&sid=1

Jul 17, 2009#189

Chazwozel

sixpackshaker said:
Chazwozel said:

ZenMonkey said:

Edrondol said:

Which am I?

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I guess that makes me a...*?

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It's ok, so was I when I played.

-- Fri Jul 17, 2009 3:30 pm --

sixpackshaker said:

Edrondol said:

Which am I?

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Me too.

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See a.)

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WoW has nothing to do with you being a * or an Idiot, when you stopped playing you were not miraculously cured.

No, WoW is so fucking easy and simple that it frustrated the fuck out of me playing with idiots that can't understand how to point and click on targets. Therefore I was a dickhead on WoW towards them, similar to how I'm an asshole in certain topics. I have a low tolerance for it.

Jul 17, 2009#190

ScytheRexx

Chazwozel said:
I just came in to put some butthurt into ScytheRexx's Blizzard humping

Ah, so instead of actually debating evidence, you decided to make it personal. Got it. I am sure I don't have to point out which of us is the one getting butthurt. :heythere:

So, now that Chaz has removed his relevance, the grapevine is now saying that, due to the traits, the races on the right might actually be feline rather the wolfish. Do you guys see it? I personally don't, and Blizzard said new races, if these ARE new races, would be pre-seeded into the game this time around. Thus why races like Pandaren are almost impossible at this point.

Also, all the posts involving the images have started appearing again, WoW.com just got it, and MMO-Champion brought back the thread about it. Maybe, just maybe, Blizzard gave them the clear. Whether this means they just don't care now with BlizzCon so close, or that they are truly not relevant to new races, will remain to be seen.

Yeah, I was starting to believe him too actually. I'd love to hold a conversation with ScytheRexx without his smugness making me want to punch him in the nose (which is generally why I get a kick out of WoW bashing :finger: ).

I am more then happy to have a real conversation with you, but you like to degenerate WoW topics into needless insult spam, then act like you are doing people a favor when all you do is make yourself look silly. Shannow made a good point, but I countered it with precedent. I don't like posting without that, and my experience with WoW have lead me to much of my evidence. The lack of females for the vast majority of non-playable races is one of those reasons, they very rarely will put in the effort for females unless they are doing it for a much greater purpose, the precedent of masks being only playable characters, the lack of Goblin "involvement" in the Hallow's End as a whole, etc...

Jul 17, 2009#191

Calleja

Cajungal said:
*passes out cookies and apple juice*

I'll do you one better, CG:

This thread needs more...

BRUCE!!!

Jul 17, 2009#192

Chazwozel

ScytheRexx said:
Chazwozel said:

I just came in to put some butthurt into ScytheRexx's Blizzard humping

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Ah, so instead of actually debating evidence, you decided to make it personal. Got it. I am sure I don't have to point out which of us is the one getting butthurt. :heythere:

So, now that Chaz has removed his relevance, the grapevine is now saying that, due to the traits, the races on the right might actually be feline rather the wolfish. Do you guys see it? I personally don't, and Blizzard said new races, if these ARE new races, would be pre-seeded into the game this time around. Thus why races like Pandaren are almost impossible at this point.

Also, all the posts involving the images have started appearing again, WoW.com just got it, and MMO-Champion brought back the thread about it. Maybe, just maybe, Blizzard gave them the clear. Whether this means they just don't care now with BlizzCon so close, or that they are truly not relevant to new races, will remain to be seen.

Yeah, I was starting to believe him too actually. I'd love to hold a conversation with ScytheRexx without his smugness making me want to punch him in the nose (which is generally why I get a kick out of WoW bashing :finger: ).

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I am more then happy to have a real conversation with you, but you like to degenerate WoW topics into needless insult spam, then act like you are doing people a favor when all you do is make yourself look silly. Shannow made a good point, but I countered it with precedent. I don't like posting without that, and my experience with WoW have lead me to much of my evidence. The lack of females for the vast majority of non-playable races is one of those reasons, they very rarely will put in the effort for females unless they are doing it for a much greater purpose, the precedent of masks being only playable characters, the lack of Goblin "involvement" in the Hallow's End as a whole, etc...

There's that smugness again. Admit it, the whole worgen pet hunter thing was all pulled out of your ass.

Jul 17, 2009#193

I still say that if anyone here would know about upcoming and previously unreleased information it would be ScytheRexx.

I bow to your knowledge, sir!

Jul 17, 2009#194

sixpackshaker

Chazwozel said:
No, WoW is so smurfing easy and simple that it frustrated the smurf out of me playing with idiots that can't understand how to point and click on targets. Therefore I was a * on WoW towards them, similar to how I'm an * in certain topics. I have a low tolerance for it.

That is the way to approach the conversation. You met people that you played with that are idiots. They are in all walks of life. The broad brush strokes to insult gamers and all WoW players is just asinine.

If you ever feel the siren's call to play WoW again, PM me and I'll find you a group of people that you should fit in with. I've only played in guilds where they take members that are 25 and up, the game is a blast when you can talk about other topics than the game and get good responses.

Jul 17, 2009#195

Shakey

Chazwozel said:
ScytheRexx said:

Chazwozel said:

I just came in to put some butthurt into ScytheRexx's Blizzard humping

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Ah, so instead of actually debating evidence, you decided to make it personal. Got it. I am sure I don't have to point out which of us is the one getting butthurt. :heythere:

So, now that Chaz has removed his relevance, the grapevine is now saying that, due to the traits, the races on the right might actually be feline rather the wolfish. Do you guys see it? I personally don't, and Blizzard said new races, if these ARE new races, would be pre-seeded into the game this time around. Thus why races like Pandaren are almost impossible at this point.

Also, all the posts involving the images have started appearing again, WoW.com just got it, and MMO-Champion brought back the thread about it. Maybe, just maybe, Blizzard gave them the clear. Whether this means they just don't care now with BlizzCon so close, or that they are truly not relevant to new races, will remain to be seen.

Yeah, I was starting to believe him too actually. I'd love to hold a conversation with ScytheRexx without his smugness making me want to punch him in the nose (which is generally why I get a kick out of WoW bashing :finger: ).

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I am more then happy to have a real conversation with you, but you like to degenerate WoW topics into needless insult spam, then act like you are doing people a favor when all you do is make yourself look silly. Shannow made a good point, but I countered it with precedent. I don't like posting without that, and my experience with WoW have lead me to much of my evidence. The lack of females for the vast majority of non-playable races is one of those reasons, they very rarely will put in the effort for females unless they are doing it for a much greater purpose, the precedent of masks being only playable characters, the lack of Goblin "involvement" in the Hallow's End as a whole, etc...

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There's that smugness again. Admit it, the whole worgen pet hunter thing was all pulled out of your ass.

There's that smugness again. Admit it, your an ass.

Jul 17, 2009#196

Vrii

Chazwozel said:
There's that smugness again. Admit it, the whole worgen pet hunter thing was all pulled out of your ass.

That or it was a major source of contention on the wow forums recently, with the blues not really giving a reason why that specific pet drew a much quicker, and more thorough response from them than any of the other pet bugs.

And I'm not sure where you're reading smugness from the fact that he actually has reasoning and precedent to his arguments instead of just slinging shit around.

Jul 17, 2009#197

Chazwozel

Shakey said:
Chazwozel said:

ScytheRexx said:

Chazwozel said:

I just came in to put some butthurt into ScytheRexx's Blizzard humping

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Ah, so instead of actually debating evidence, you decided to make it personal. Got it. I am sure I don't have to point out which of us is the one getting butthurt. :heythere:

So, now that Chaz has removed his relevance, the grapevine is now saying that, due to the traits, the races on the right might actually be feline rather the wolfish. Do you guys see it? I personally don't, and Blizzard said new races, if these ARE new races, would be pre-seeded into the game this time around. Thus why races like Pandaren are almost impossible at this point.

Also, all the posts involving the images have started appearing again, WoW.com just got it, and MMO-Champion brought back the thread about it. Maybe, just maybe, Blizzard gave them the clear. Whether this means they just don't care now with BlizzCon so close, or that they are truly not relevant to new races, will remain to be seen.

Yeah, I was starting to believe him too actually. I'd love to hold a conversation with ScytheRexx without his smugness making me want to punch him in the nose (which is generally why I get a kick out of WoW bashing :finger: ).

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I am more then happy to have a real conversation with you, but you like to degenerate WoW topics into needless insult spam, then act like you are doing people a favor when all you do is make yourself look silly. Shannow made a good point, but I countered it with precedent. I don't like posting without that, and my experience with WoW have lead me to much of my evidence. The lack of females for the vast majority of non-playable races is one of those reasons, they very rarely will put in the effort for females unless they are doing it for a much greater purpose, the precedent of masks being only playable characters, the lack of Goblin "involvement" in the Hallow's End as a whole, etc...

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There's that smugness again. Admit it, the whole worgen pet hunter thing was all pulled out of your a**.

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There's that smugness again. Admit it, your an a**.

And people wonder why I keep at it? Yes, Shaky I'm an asshole!

Jul 17, 2009#198

Calleja

Fine, I'll pull out the big guns to make everyone here chillax.

This thread needs more...

SCARLETT!!

Jul 17, 2009#199

Chibibar

sixpackshaker said:
Chazwozel said:

No, WoW is so smurfing easy and simple that it frustrated the smurf out of me playing with idiots that can't understand how to point and click on targets. Therefore I was a * on WoW towards them, similar to how I'm an * in certain topics. I have a low tolerance for it.

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That is the way to approach the conversation. You met people that you played with that are idiots. They are in all walks of life. The broad brush strokes to insult gamers and all WoW players is just asinine.

If you ever feel the siren's call to play WoW again, PM me and I'll find you a group of people that you should fit in with. I've only played in guilds where they take members that are 25 and up, the game is a blast when you can talk about other topics than the game and get good responses.

Heh... I have to agree on this. I think Chaz just play with the wrong crowd.

It is like me saying all sports fans are a-hole cause I met a few in Sports Bar that are a-hole, but I don't do that. (at least I don't think I did in this thread) but what example I did show is the mentality of it.

As for for point and click, I can say the same for many new users to computers. some don't even know the f1 help command, save as, click a link or right click to open new windows, but I don't hold that against the general population.

Jul 17, 2009#200

Chazwozel

Vrii said:
Chazwozel said:

There's that smugness again. Admit it, the whole worgen pet hunter thing was all pulled out of your a**.

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That or it was a major source of contention on the wow forums recently, with the blues not really giving a reason why that specific pet drew a much quicker, and more thorough response from them than any of the other pet bugs.

And I'm not sure where you're reading smugness from the fact that he actually has reasoning and precedent to his arguments instead of just slinging poop around.

Well if it was discussed on the WoW forums...

Brilliant!

Jul 17, 2009#201

Shegokigo

Couple of things:

Worgen is a confirmed new race in the future, though it wasn't scheduled till the next xpac after the coming one "Cataclysm". This is VERIFIED information based on leaked and confirmed details.

Next, anyone saying "it's not real cause the models are weird/wrong/incomplete" had obviously not watched the evolution of the draenei and bloodelves through their developtment.

As for Chaz calling WoW easy? Maybe when he played, but try and do half the hard-mode raids now and say it's easy, I'd love to see that.

Jul 17, 2009#202

Chazwozel

Chibibar said:
sixpackshaker said:

Chazwozel said:

No, WoW is so smurfing easy and simple that it frustrated the smurf out of me playing with idiots that can't understand how to point and click on targets. Therefore I was a * on WoW towards them, similar to how I'm an * in certain topics. I have a low tolerance for it.

Click to expand...

That is the way to approach the conversation. You met people that you played with that are idiots. They are in all walks of life. The broad brush strokes to insult gamers and all WoW players is just asinine.

If you ever feel the siren's call to play WoW again, PM me and I'll find you a group of people that you should fit in with. I've only played in guilds where they take members that are 25 and up, the game is a blast when you can talk about other topics than the game and get good responses.

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Heh... I have to agree on this. I think Chaz just play with the wrong crowd.

It is like me saying all sports fans are a-hole cause I met a few in Sports Bar that are a-hole, but I don't do that. (at least I don't think I did in this thread) but what example I did show is the mentality of it.

As for for point and click, I can say the same for many new users to computers. some don't even know the f1 help command, save as, click a link or right click to open new windows, but I don't hold that against the general population.

NO NO NO, stop trying to psychoanalyze my WoW experiences to why I hate the game. I hate the game because it's a horribly boring, a waste of life, and it caters to dimwits.

Jul 17, 2009#203

sixpackshaker

And yet you played it long enough to start raiding.

Jul 17, 2009#204

Vrii

Chazwozel said:
Vrii said:

Chazwozel said:

There's that smugness again. Admit it, the whole worgen pet hunter thing was all pulled out of your a**.

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That or it was a major source of contention on the wow forums recently, with the blues not really giving a reason why that specific pet drew a much quicker, and more thorough response from them than any of the other pet bugs.

And I'm not sure where you're reading smugness from the fact that he actually has reasoning and precedent to his arguments instead of just slinging poop around.

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Well if it was discussed on the WoW forums...

Brilliant!

And my point was that it wasn't pulled out of his ass. But then, you're far more interested in taking your shots than reading what people are writing anyway.

Carry on.

Jul 17, 2009#205

Chazwozel

Shegokigo said:
Couple of things:

Worgen is a confirmed new race in the future, though it wasn't scheduled till the next xpac after the coming one "Cataclysm". This is VERIFIED information based on leaked and confirmed details.

Next, anyone saying "it's not real cause the models are weird/wrong/incomplete" had obviously not watched the evolution of the draenei and bloodelves through their developtment.

As for Chaz calling WoW easy? Maybe when he played, but try and do half the hard-mode raids now and say it's easy, I'd love to see that.

Step 1.) go to MMO champ or any other MMO resource site.

Step 2.) read the strat

Step 3.) group with a guild that knows what it's doing and people actually listen.

Step 4.) profit.

Yes, I know theres a learning curve to raids. Once that curve is reached they're easy as pie. The reason why raids are so hard is because it's hard to get 25 A.D.D. ridden people together who will endure wipe after wipe of the learning process.

The only hard part about WoW is finding enough time out of your life to waste for digital clothes. That's the big secret to being successful in WoW, having a crap ton of time to waste.

Jul 17, 2009#206

Calleja

Chazwozel said:
That's the big secret to being successful in WoW, having a crap ton of time to waste.

Having a lot of time to dedicate to something is the big secret to being successful at EVERYTHING.

Jul 17, 2009#207

Chazwozel

Vrii said:
Chazwozel said:

Vrii said:

Chazwozel said:

There's that smugness again. Admit it, the whole worgen pet hunter thing was all pulled out of your a**.

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That or it was a major source of contention on the wow forums recently, with the blues not really giving a reason why that specific pet drew a much quicker, and more thorough response from them than any of the other pet bugs.

And I'm not sure where you're reading smugness from the fact that he actually has reasoning and precedent to his arguments instead of just slinging poop around.

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Well if it was discussed on the WoW forums...

Brilliant!

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And my point was that it wasn't pulled out of his a**. But then, you're far more interested in taking your shots than reading what people are writing anyway.

Carry on.

My argument was that because Worgen are humanoids the bug was fixed quicker than for ghost wolves or slime (since they're not humanoid). There's no reason to think it was because Worgen are the next race.

-- Fri Jul 17, 2009 4:16 pm --

Calleja said:
Chazwozel said:

That's the big secret to being successful in WoW, having a crap ton of time to waste.

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Having a lot of time to dedicate to something is the big secret to being successful at EVERYTHING.

Not really...

Jul 17, 2009#208

Calleja said:
Chazwozel said:

That's the big secret to being successful in WoW, having a crap ton of time to waste.

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Having a lot of time to dedicate to something is the big secret to being successful at EVERYTHING.

Then why am I no better at posting?

Jul 17, 2009#209

Calleja

Give ten thousand monkeys with ten thousand typewriters enough time.....

Jul 17, 2009#210

Chazwozel

Edrondol said:
Calleja said:

Chazwozel said:

That's the big secret to being successful in WoW, having a crap ton of time to waste.

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Having a lot of time to dedicate to something is the big secret to being successful at EVERYTHING.

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Then why am I no better at posting?

Jul 17, 2009#211

Calleja said:
Give ten thousand monkeys with ten thousand typewriters enough time.....

It was the best of times, it was the blurst of times.

Jul 17, 2009#212

Calleja

eregrdsgsdgfhcdBANANAsdagsoignsaovn

Jul 17, 2009#213

Vrii

Chazwozel said:
My argument was that because Worgen are humanoids the bug was fixed quicker than for ghost wolves or slime (since they're not humanoid). There's no reason to think it was because Worgen are the next race.

Aside from, y'know, all the other reasons that have been pointed out to think that they are. As much as you're fixated on that one point, it was one of a handful of things he listed, and not meant to definitively say that they are. Especially on its own.

Jul 17, 2009#214

Chazwozel

Calleja said:
Give ten thousand monkeys with ten thousand typewriters enough time.....

Bah, you just had to bring probability into this! More specifically, WoW rewards you for time rather than playskill, which makes perfect sense since they charge people to play it on a monthly basis.

Jul 17, 2009#215

Shakey

Chazwozel said:
Shakey said:

Chazwozel said:

ScytheRexx said:

Ah, so instead of actually debating evidence, you decided to make it personal. Got it. I am sure I don't have to point out which of us is the one getting butthurt. :heythere:

So, now that Chaz has removed his relevance, the grapevine is now saying that, due to the traits, the races on the right might actually be feline rather the wolfish. Do you guys see it? I personally don't, and Blizzard said new races, if these ARE new races, would be pre-seeded into the game this time around. Thus why races like Pandaren are almost impossible at this point.

Also, all the posts involving the images have started appearing again, WoW.com just got it, and MMO-Champion brought back the thread about it. Maybe, just maybe, Blizzard gave them the clear. Whether this means they just don't care now with BlizzCon so close, or that they are truly not relevant to new races, will remain to be seen.

I am more then happy to have a real conversation with you, but you like to degenerate WoW topics into needless insult spam, then act like you are doing people a favor when all you do is make yourself look silly. Shannow made a good point, but I countered it with precedent. I don't like posting without that, and my experience with WoW have lead me to much of my evidence. The lack of females for the vast majority of non-playable races is one of those reasons, they very rarely will put in the effort for females unless they are doing it for a much greater purpose, the precedent of masks being only playable characters, the lack of Goblin "involvement" in the Hallow's End as a whole, etc...

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There's that smugness again. Admit it, the whole worgen pet hunter thing was all pulled out of your a**.

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There's that smugness again. Admit it, your an a**.

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And people wonder why I keep at it? Yes, Shaky I'm an asshole!

Yay! Now you can go pat yourself on the back for trolling an internet forum. I know it's hard work and all, but keep it up. I know I would absolutely hate to have a thread about WoW that doesn't end up being about you and your dislike of the game.

Jul 17, 2009#216

Chibibar

Chazwozel said:
NO NO NO, stop trying to psychoanalyze my WoW experiences to why I hate the game. I hate the game because it's a horribly boring, a waste of life, and it caters to dimwits.

and one could say the same thing about being a sports FAN (that is how it all got started) cause all you do is watch, drink beer and cater to dimwits. the reason I say dimwits cause I personally can't see why I would fork over 1000$ for a seat license for Dallas Cowboy and then pay even MORE for a ticket (license =/= ticket) (I'm gonna try the insult thing see if that works hehe)

Note: I said sports FAN not sports PLAYER big difference.

ed: but with all the experience, you gave us a great board to be ON... that gotta count right?

Jul 17, 2009#217

elph

ScytheRexx said:
... the races on the right might actually be feline rather the wolfish. Do you guys see it? I personally don't, and Blizzard said new races, if these ARE new races, would be pre-seeded into the game this time around. Thus why races like Pandaren are almost impossible at this point.

I was thinking the female may be more fox like then wolf, but the male looks wolf to me.

Jul 17, 2009#218

Chazwozel

Edrondol said:
Calleja said:

Give ten thousand monkeys with ten thousand typewriters enough time.....

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It was the best of times, it was the blurst of times.

-- Fri Jul 17, 2009 4:20 pm --

Shakey said:
Chazwozel said:

Shakey said:

Chazwozel said:

There's that smugness again. Admit it, the whole worgen pet hunter thing was all pulled out of your a**.

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There's that smugness again. Admit it, your an a**.

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And people wonder why I keep at it? Yes, Shaky I'm an *!

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Yay! Now you can go pat yourself on the back for trolling an internet forum. I know it's hard work and all, but keep it up. I know I would absolutely hate to have a thread about WoW that doesn't end up being about you and your dislike of the game.

Why don't you go blog about it?

I canceled my WoW account today. I got bored with it, all I was doing was running through all the fishing/cooking dailies and that was it. With summer being here there is also a lot more to do. Maybe I'll actually get around to learning to play the mandolin I have collecting dust in the corner.

You even agree with me about WoW. What a dipshit.
:smug:

Jul 17, 2009#219

Calleja

Chazwozel said:
Bah, you just had to bring probability into this! More specifically, WoW rewards you for time rather than playskill, which makes perfect sense since they charge people to play it on a monthly basis.

1)Take the hardest game ever.

2)Dedicate yourself to it 24 hours a day for 24 months.

3)Get Success at it.

4)Die for being a fatso and not moving for 2 years.

Jul 17, 2009#220

Chazwozel

Calleja said:
Chazwozel said:

Bah, you just had to bring probability into this! More specifically, WoW rewards you for time rather than playskill, which makes perfect sense since they charge people to play it on a monthly basis.

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1)Take the hardest game ever.

2)Dedicate yourself to it 24 hours a day for 24 months.

3)Get Success at it.

4)Die for being a fatso and not moving for 2 years.

Well I never said that playing video games 24/7 wouldn't make you the best damn video game player ever. Other things actually require talent. :tongue:

Jul 17, 2009#221

Calleja

Chazwozel said:
Well I never said that playing video games 24/7 wouldn't make you the best damn video game player ever. Other things actually require talent. :tongue:

Fair enough, let me rephrase then.

1) Take a degree in molecular biology.

2) Dedicate yourself to it 24 hours a day for 60 months.

3) Become a successful molecular biologist.

4) Die a lonely, probably fat, PhD graduate.

Jul 17, 2009#222

Chazwozel

Calleja said:
Chazwozel said:

Well I never said that playing video games 24/7 wouldn't make you the best damn video game player ever. Other things actually require talent. :tongue:

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Fair enough, let me rephrase then.

1) Take a degree in molecular biology.

2) Dedicate yourself to it 24 hours a day for 60 months.

3) Become a successful molecular biologist.

4) Die a lonely, probably fat, PhD graduate.

Nope. Degree =/= success.

Jul 17, 2009#223

Calleja

I get your point Chaz, but i'm being literal here.

Being retarded means literally it takes you more time to do something than the average individual. It's the word's ETYMOLOGY.

Double a retarded person's lifespan and he could be a successful quantum physicist too.

-- less than a minute ago --

Plus, if you don't find a degree in molecular biology a success, then how can you EVER be successful at ANYTHING in WoW?

I took your own term :tongue:

Jul 17, 2009#224

Chazwozel

Calleja said:
I get your point Chaz, but i'm being literal here.

Being retarded means literally it takes you more time to do something than the average individual. It's the word's ETYMOLOGY.

Double a retarded person's lifespan and he could be a successful quantum physicist too.

DURRRRRRRRR

:retard:

Jul 17, 2009#225

Calleja

Give me 2 hours and I could understand that equation front and back.

Give someone who's not had practice at anything math.. what.. a few days? He'll be able to do so too.

The key is DEDICATION...

Jul 17, 2009#226

Jul 17, 2009#227

SeraRelm

*reads Chaz's post*

Ahem...
"Friend"

*enters*

Jul 17, 2009#228

ScytheRexx

elph said:
ScytheRexx said:

I was thinking the female may be more fox like then wolf, but the male looks wolf to me.

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That is actually very true. Looking into it, the design is very similar to Samwise and his Kitsune artwork.

http://www.sonsofthestorm.com/images/sa ... se023c.jpg

Jul 17, 2009#229

Shakey

Chazwozel said:
I canceled my WoW account today. I got bored with it, all I was doing was running through all the fishing/cooking dailies and that was it. With summer being here there is also a lot more to do. Maybe I'll actually get around to learning to play the mandolin I have collecting dust in the corner.

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You even agree with me about WoW. What a dipshit.
:smug:

No, I don't agree with you. I quit cause I was bored with it. I know reading comprehension is hard, but hopefully one day it will come to you.

Jul 17, 2009#230

Chibibar

Chazwozel said:
Well I never said that playing video games 24/7 wouldn't make you the best damn video game player ever. Other things actually require talent. :tongue:

While I probably never understand your personal disdain toward WoW players (or gamers in general) WoW end games do require a couple of things.

1. Social skill of some level. Raid leaders have the toughest job to make the team work together. People actually have to communicate with each other... gasp!! I has to talk to people?

(generally voice command is better which mean talking to live person instead of typing)
2. Team work - In order to succeed in the end game, you need team work. There is very little room for error (error means you have to do it again which can cost time and well... more time since repair cost of your equipment goes up and buff food item.. you get the idea) While you are right, it is point and click and press X key, all players has to communicate/listen/know when to press the right combo at the right time to win the scenario.
3. Practice - like all things, it actually take practice to do a smooth successful raid. The devs always try to put in a good twist into the game so "random" factors will kick in and throw the "well oil machine" out of the loop and well..... wiped.
4. Actually enjoy the game. If you don't like the game, why even go raiding? it requires practice like anything to do well.

Now... up until raid, you can pretty much solo most of the quest (except some group quests) and can be PRETTY boring if you are doing it all by yourself. This is why there are different level of instances that "hopefully" you make some good friends to play with and beat those things together and maybe eventually do the end game stuff together with your friends.

Of course any of the three above break down or just don't mesh would result in poor raiding result (getting no where and have a large repair bill which if you don't play much, well..... it is more time to gather more money to repair and such) team breaking up (this happens all the time) guild break up (do you PUG raid group??? that is scary) Drama... etc etc etc.... just in like real life.

Jul 17, 2009#231

Calleja

GORRAM IT PEOPLE! I HAD DISTRACTED HIM WITH PHILOSOPHICAL POINTS HERE!! STOP DE-DERALING THE THREAD!!

Also, Sera. :rofl:

Jul 17, 2009#232

SeraRelm

We're not looking at the biggest problem here.

Furries.

Worgen = Furries. :Leyla:

Jul 17, 2009#233

Chippy

Calleja said:
GORRAM IT PEOPLE! I HAD DISTRACTED HIM WITH PHILOSOPHICAL POINTS HERE!! STOP DE-DERALING THE THREAD

Latin Tempah.

Jul 17, 2009#234

Calleja

*disembowels Chippy with a rusty machete covered in spicy salsa*

Jul 17, 2009#235

Chippy

It's magically delicious.

Jul 17, 2009#236

sixpackshaker

SeraRelm said:
We're not looking at the biggest problem here.

Furries.

Worgen = Furries.

Could be interesting, a nerd game with and added side of kink.

Jul 17, 2009#237

Shakey

sixpackshaker said:
SeraRelm said:

We're not looking at the biggest problem here.

Furries.

Worgen = Furries.

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Could be interesting, a nerd game with and added side of kink.

Run around Silvermoon on an RP server and you'll get all the kink you can handle.

Jul 17, 2009#238

Shegokigo

Everquest went furry first and it didn't get "weird".

Jul 17, 2009#239

SeraRelm

Pssh, the nelfs had that covered already, they're crossing boundaries now!

Jul 17, 2009#240

Calleja

Aren't Tauren furries too, anyway?

Jul 17, 2009#241

Cuyval Dar

I am by no means a fan of Blizzard, and any of their games,how ever, I am an avid gamer, and in particular, I enjoy(ed) Star Wars Galaxies (PreCU). I feel that Chaz could just as easily extend his flawed, trollish argument to other games.

SWG is an excellent example of an MMO with a minimum of "idiots, dickheads, whiny bitches and kids".
Prior to the CU/NGE (In other words, the WoW-ification), it had a very mature,reasonable community that still exists in one form or another today. The social/economic/RP aspect was more of a draw (Due to the great user base) than PvE/PvP for most people, including myself.

Do not mistake me, I do not stereotype the WoW community, but emphasize the lowered bar of entry (In terms of popularity and other factors) that Blizzard has created. To be sure, it is simpler to jump into playing WoW, which is why there is such a large user base. This user base is the reason for such a proportionally higher number of "idiots, dickheads, whiny bitches and kids".

TL;DR,

Chaz is a idiot whiny bitch of a dickhead kid who gets off on trolling threads that he does not belong in and knows nothing about.

Welcome to the Foe list, Chaz.

Jul 17, 2009#242

sixpackshaker said:
SeraRelm said:

We're not looking at the biggest problem here.

Furries.

Worgen = Furries.

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Could be interesting, a nerd game with and added side of kink.

Then they'd almost have to be Alliance. That Human town outside Stormwind is where dorks go to cyber. They call it "RolePlaying".

Jul 17, 2009#243

sixpackshaker

Calleja said:
Aren't Tauren furries too, anyway?

But they are not hot Furries.

-- Fri Jul 17, 2009 4:51 pm --

Edrondol said:
sixpackshaker said:

SeraRelm said:

We're not looking at the biggest problem here.

Furries.

Worgen = Furries.

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Could be interesting, a nerd game with and added side of kink.

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Then they'd almost have to be Alliance. That Human town outside Stormwind is where dorks go to cyber. They call it "RolePlaying".

I'd much rather RolePlay in real life. :unibrow:

Now I need to find some lady to wear that nurses outfit to match my lab coat...

Jul 17, 2009#244

Calleja

sixpackshaker said:
But they are not hot Furries.

Maybe not, but they're certainly horny.

Jul 17, 2009#245

Cuyval Dar

Calleja said:
sixpackshaker said:

But they are not hot Furries.

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Maybe not, but they're certainly horny.

Jul 17, 2009#246

Gurpel

SeraRelm said:
We're not looking at the biggest problem here.

Furries.

Worgen = Furries.

beat you too it, but yes.

i know, people, that it might be hard to believe, but should this addition of races come to pass, WoW will be filled with people who are less socially adept than we ever thought possible. now is the time to panic.

Edrondol said:
Then they'd almost have to be Alliance. That Human town outside Stormwind is where dorks go to cyber. They call it "RolePlaying".

when was the last time you played? as someone with a level 30 rogue on a rp server (i am so ashamed) all of the cyber goes on around silvermoon now.

Jul 17, 2009#247

sixpackshaker

Shegokigo said:
Everquest went furry first and it didn't get "weird".
*snip

But in EQ1 it did get a little weird, when the expansion came out with the cat girls every where. They were the NElf babes of EQ1.

Jul 17, 2009#248

Pojodan

Pojodan said:
I think this thread serves as an ideal indicator of what Halforum's community is like.

Again, but this time with a

Jul 17, 2009#249

Jake

Jul 17, 2009#250

Allen, who is Quiet

Jake said:

in this economy, who can afford to give away a walrus?

Jul 17, 2009#251

Gurpel

Pojodan said:
Pojodan said:

I think this thread serves as an ideal indicator of what Halforum's community is like.

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Again, but this time with a

people not respecting your personal choices!? ON THE INTERNET?

Jul 17, 2009#252

CynicismKills

Gurpel said:
Pojodan said:

Pojodan said:

I think this thread serves as an ideal indicator of what Halforum's community is like.

Click to expand...

Again, but this time with a

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people not respecting your personal choices!? ON THE INTERNET?

It's more likely than you think.

Jul 17, 2009#253

Dei

I'm on an RP-PvP server, and there's never anyone in Silvermoon, and thus no ERP. I always go there for the AH because it's so peaceful.

Jul 17, 2009#254

LordRavage

*Takes this thread and makes a sweater.

On another note......

I think I like coming to this forum because you guys remind me of my family. :tina:

Back to the OP...

Bring on the Worgen! :falldown:

Jul 17, 2009#255

Gurpel

LordRavage said:
*Takes this thread and makes a sweater.

On another note......

I think I like coming to this forum because you guys remind me of my family.

FAGGOT YOU MAKE SWEATERS FROM ALPACA WOOL NOT LLAMA WOOL WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU

Jul 17, 2009#256

LordRavage

Gurpel said:
LordRavage said:

*Takes this thread and makes a sweater.

On another note......

I think I like coming to this forum because you guys remind me of my family.

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* YOU MAKE SWEATERS FROM ALPACA WOOL NOT LLAMA WOOL WHAT THE * IS WRONG WITH YOU

F YOU! I CAN TOTALLY MAKE A SWEATER OUT OF ANYTHING! EVEN HUMAN SKIN!

aranoid:

Jul 17, 2009#257

Gurpel

LordRavage said:
Gurpel said:

LordRavage said:

*Takes this thread and makes a sweater.

On another note......

I think I like coming to this forum because you guys remind me of my family.

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* YOU MAKE SWEATERS FROM ALPACA WOOL NOT LLAMA WOOL WHAT THE * IS WRONG WITH YOU

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F YOU! I CAN TOTALLY MAKE A SWEATER OUT OF ANYTHING! EVEN HUMAN SKIN!

aranoid:

OH YEAH WELL YOU CAN GO SUCK A-

wait, what

Jul 17, 2009#258

LordRavage

My lawyer, Mr. LawFace has advised me to plead the 5th to anything about goat smuggling and human skin.

Back to topic.

GO WORGEN!

Jul 17, 2009#259

Pojodan

CynicismKills said:
Gurpel said:

Pojodan said:

Pojodan said:

I think this thread serves as an ideal indicator of what Halforum's community is like.

Click to expand...

Again, but this time with a

Click to expand...

people not respecting your personal choices!? ON THE INTERNET?

Click to expand...

It's more likely than you think.

I REFUSE TO BELIEVE!

Jul 17, 2009#260

Cuyval Dar

Pojodan said:
CynicismKills said:

Gurpel said:

Pojodan said:

Again, but this time with a

Click to expand...

people not respecting your personal choices!? ON THE INTERNET?

Click to expand...

It's more likely than you think.

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I REFUSE TO BELIEVE!

I WANT TO BELIEVE!

Jul 17, 2009#261

Shegokigo

Jul 17, 2009#262

Calleja

I want to believe too. Believers seem to have it so much easier.

Jul 17, 2009#263

AshburnerX

Jul 17, 2009#264

elph

Wow, this is still going on? Google[Bot] must be exhausted.

Went to see Harry Potter tonight (pretty decent). I'd worry about derailment and posting a topic that there's already a thread on, but that's already happened here.

Jul 18, 2009#265

Shegokigo

elph said:
Wow, this is still going on? Google[Bot] must be exhausted.

Went to see Harry Potter tonight (pretty decent). I'd worry about derailment and posting a topic that there's already a thread on, but that's already happened here.

Not sure why you think derailing is ok, even though it went off main topic, it did stay pretty WoW related minus the "I want to Believe".

Jul 21, 2009#266

ScytheRexx

http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/ima ... 8masks.jpg

Was I wrong? Or is this Blizzard attempting to cover up the mistake with some quick mask designs? We will see at BlizzCon. :toocool:

Jul 21, 2009#267

CynicismKills

ScytheRexx said:
http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2009/july/10128masks.jpg

Was I wrong? Or is this Blizzard attempting to cover up the mistake with some quick mask designs? We will see at BlizzCon. :toocool:

I would kill an orphan holding a kitten if I could play a Vrykul.

Jul 21, 2009#268

ScytheRexx

CynicismKills said:
I would kill an orphan holding a kitten if I could play a Vrykul.

If you would kill and orphan holding a kitten, then you probably ARE a Vrykul. :tongue:

Jul 21, 2009#269

CynicismKills

ScytheRexx said:
CynicismKills said:

I would kill an orphan holding a kitten if I could play a Vrykul.

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If you would kill and orphan holding a kitten, then you probably ARE a Vrykul. :tongue:

Exactly.

I SPIT ON YOU. YOUR ENTRAILS WILL MAKE A FINE NECKLACE.

Jul 21, 2009#270

ScytheRexx

We have been discussing this new development on other boards. The few things we noticed is that the quality of the latest mask batch is lower then the ones revealed earlier, using more existing generic models. The one other unique image, the ogre female, also looks be be draw rather then modeled, which is odd and inconsistent with the rest. Most of us are really seeing this as more of a quick cover-up now, due to the factors above, but I admit this makes my former arguments fall to the winds, so I definitely am just going to wait till BlizzCon and not speculate any further on the viability of these masks showing new races.

It is going to be an interesting weekend to say the least. :slywink:

Jul 21, 2009#271

tegid

Damn! Lost my post! Can't bother to rewrite, so I'll just ask the question:

wouldn't these two be Horde races?

Jul 21, 2009#272

Chazwozel

Chazwozel said:
ScytheRexx said:

Shannow said:

people have been datamining poop every patch. take it with a grain of salt.

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Not sure what point you are making? Obviously people Datamine every patch, that does not make these textures any less valid as a race leak.
Just an FYI, but Blizzard only makes Hallow's End masks based on playable races, they added four in BC (BE Male, BE Female, Draenei Male, Draenei Female) in the main patch before the expansion was released, these just leaked far earlier.

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What makes you think they're not tossing the old formula of 'playable race' masks for something like goblins and worgen? You gotta admit it makes sense for a Halloween event. The Goblins sell tons of poop every holiday. Werewolves and Halloween go together like peanut butter and jelly.

You said it yourself. Blizzard threw in the BE and Dren masks when BC came out. Why would they put new race masks into a patch and not the patch before the new expansion?

Shannow is 100% correct, you can't make any assumptions based off data mining.

Jul 21, 2009#273

Ravenpoe

tegid said:
Damn! Lost my post! Can't bother to rewrite, so I'll just ask the question:

wouldn't these two be Horde races?

It all depends on how they want to shape the lore. Goblins are neutral, and so it would be rather easy to come up with some faction that decides to ally themselves to either the horde or the alliance (or either... goblins being the one race that could comfortably be allowed to choose their faction).

Worgen are a different story. Lore-wise, they wouldn't fit on either side, as they're evil creatures from a shadow dimension that live for nothing more than to destroy. Some amount of hand-waving would have to take place to make a playable group of worgen for either faction side, perhaps a renegade group of humans that Arugal had cursed to be worgen somehow break away.

It didn't make sense for deathknights to be a playable class either, but they fit it in, making them a splinter faction that broke away from the lich king.

Jul 21, 2009#274

ScytheRexx

tegid said:
wouldn't these two be Horde races?

What makes you say that? Because one used to be Horde and the other looks like a wolf? Blood Elves used to be Alliance, but now they are Horde. Races can fall anywhere Blizzard wants them to lean.

As for Chaz, you do realize that this is looking to be a cover-up right? Even the people on the WarCraft boards that believed they were just masks and not representing new races have swayed, due to the shoddy quality of the latest dump of masks.

If anything, it is turning into an interesting turn of events. We will see at BlizzCon which one of us was right in the end though. :heythere:

Jul 21, 2009#275

Chazwozel

ScytheRexx said:
tegid said:

wouldn't these two be Horde races?

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What makes you say that? Because one used to be Horde and the other looks like a wolf? Blood Elves used to be Alliance, but now they are Horde. Races can fall anywhere Blizzard wants them to lean.

As for Chaz, you do realize that this is looking to be a cover-up right? Even the people on the WarCraft boards that believed they were just masks and not representing new races have swayed, due to the shoddy quality of the latest dump of masks.

If anything, it is turning into an interesting turn of events. We will see at BlizzCon which one of us was right in the end though. :heythere:

The Warcraft boards. HA! There's a true bunch of highly intellectual, highly enlightened individuals! :rofl:

Jul 21, 2009#276

ScytheRexx

Chazwozel said:
The Warcraft boards. HA! There's a true bunch of highly intellectual, highly enlightened individuals!

Nice attempt Chaz, but I didn't say the WoW boards.

Ignorance is bliss eh? :slywink:

Jul 21, 2009#277

Chazwozel

ScytheRexx said:
Chazwozel said:

The Warcraft boards. HA! There's a true bunch of highly intellectual, highly enlightened individuals!

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Nice attempt Chaz, but I didn't say the WoW boards.

Ignorance is bliss eh? :slywink:

Oh, I mistook it for the WoW boards. What Warcraft boards are you talking about? Because if it's Battlenet then you're going to get two :rofl:

from me.

Jul 21, 2009#278

Shegokigo

Chazwozel said:

Again Chaz, Scythe was right. Worgen are an upcoming playable race, but like I said much earlier in the thread, they're not scheduled till the expansion AFTER Cataclysm/Maelstrom.

Jul 21, 2009#279

ScytheRexx

Chazwozel said:
Oh, I mistook it for the WoW boards. What Warcraft boards are you talking about? Because if it's Battlenet then you're going to get two from me.

MMO-Champion, WorldOfRaids, Scrolls of Lore, BlizzPlanet, WoW.com (WoW Insider), I would name more off that I visit but I don't have all day. :toocool:

Fact is that WoW actually have a pretty big online community, and so when I say WarCraft forums I mean all the forums that have communities that talk over this type of stuff.

I rarely if ever go to the official boards, you will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. I only visit when I get a hit on the bluetracker.

Again Chaz, Scythe was right. Worgen are an upcoming playable race, but like I said much earlier in the thread, they're not scheduled till the expansion AFTER Cataclysm/Maelstrom.

Not sure if you heard me earlier Shego, but the long standing rumor among the community is that they are merging the two expansions from that old list, making a Maelstrom/Emerald Dream based expansion. On that list, for instance, Goblins were never set as playable, but instead Pandaren were as the Worgen counter. We will have to see, but I really do think if the Worgen rumors are true, they will be added this expansion, not the next.

Jul 22, 2009#280

@Li3n

Use the Pandaren you bastards... keep the goblins neutral...

Jul 22, 2009#281

tegid

ScytheRexx said:
tegid said:

wouldn't these two be Horde races?

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What makes you say that? Because one used to be Horde and the other looks like a wolf? Blood Elves used to be Alliance, but now they are Horde. Races can fall anywhere Blizzard wants them to lean.

I say that because one used to be Horde and a quick search tells me the other is really evil :eek:

rly:

Also, the case of Blood Elves is special, since they were supposed to be extinct before being reintroduced as Horde, weren't they? So it was more natural in a way. This was not the case for Death Knights, I know, so I'll accept faction changes, ok.

(Thanks Raven, your answer was useful!)

Jul 22, 2009#282

Draxo

Shegokigo said:
Everquest went furry first and it didn't get "weird".

Vah Shir rocked.

Pitty they killed them off and replaced them with cat-apes in EQ2

Jul 22, 2009#283

ScytheRexx

tegid said:
I say that because one used to be Horde and a quick search tells me the other is really evil rly:

Still a bit confused. Just because Worgen are presented as "evil" goes not mean they would be Horde by default, the Horde itself is not evil, and actually the main leader of the Horde is more a peace-humping guy then the main leader of the Alliance. The Forsaken were long exceptions till recently, when they culled the most evil among them, and the Blood Elves were redeemed at the end of Burning Crusade by Velen.

Also, the case of Blood Elves is special, since they were supposed to be extinct before being reintroduced as Horde, weren't they? So it was more natural in a way. This was not the case for Death Knights, I know, so I'll accept faction changes, ok.

They were beaten down out of the former glory they held, but not anywhere near extinct. There are more blood elves in the world then we have Gnomes or Darkspear Trolls. Even so, I don't see what being beaten down, near extinct or not, would make you more inclined to join the Horde. Guess I am just not understanding what you mean. Sorry.

Jul 22, 2009#284

Shegokigo

ScytheRexx said:
Not sure if you heard me earlier Shego, but the long standing rumor among the community is that they are merging the two expansions from that old list, making a Maelstrom/Emerald Dream based expansion. On that list, for instance, Goblins were never set as playable, but instead Pandaren were as the Worgen counter. We will have to see, but I really do think if the Worgen rumors are true, they will be added this expansion, not the next.

Well it would make sense, as WotLK didn't have any races, though I really don't see how putting in Emerald Dream and Xorothian would be a good idea, with the xpac after Maelstrom supposed to be the "Planes". Unless they're planning on pulling a Sunwell/Icecrown and have Emerald dream as the final "big raid zone" before the xpac following, which would make a good transition now that I think about it for the following "Planes" xpac.

Jul 22, 2009#285

tegid

ScytheRexx said:
tegid said:

I say that because one used to be Horde and a quick search tells me the other is really evil rly:

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Still a bit confused. Just because Worgen are presented as "evil" goes not mean they would be Horde by default, the Horde itself is not evil, and actually the main leader of the Horde is more a peace-humping guy then the main leader of the Alliance. The Forsaken were long exceptions till recently, when they culled the most evil among them, and the Blood Elves were redeemed at the end of Burning Crusade by Velen.

Also, the case of Blood Elves is special, since they were supposed to be extinct before being reintroduced as Horde, weren't they? So it was more natural in a way. This was not the case for Death Knights, I know, so I'll accept faction changes, ok.

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They were beaten down out of the former glory they held, but not anywhere near extinct. There are more blood elves in the world then we have Gnomes or Darkspear Trolls. Even so, I don't see what being beaten down, near extinct or not, would make you more inclined to join the Horde. Guess I am just not understanding what you mean. Sorry.

I just meant it would make it easier or more natural for them to 'change sides' if they have been badly defeated and their culture is diluted or whatever.

Hey, I don't know shit about Warcraft lore, so don't mind me! :heythere:

Jul 22, 2009#286

Shegokigo

tegid said:
I just meant it would make it easier or more natural for them to 'change sides' if they have been badly defeated and their culture is diluted or whatever.

Hey, I don't know shit about Warcraft lore, so don't mind me! :heythere:

Well the "argument" for Goblin on Horde is that they've been "closer" to them for longer, aka the Goblin Zepplins and other goblin related products they've engineered for them.

Jul 22, 2009#287

Shakey

I'm sure Goblin's aren't too happy with the Alliance since they kidnapped one of them so they could use his zeppelin for bombing runs in Howling Fjord.

Jul 22, 2009#288

@Li3n

As i recall Goblin Sappers where part of the Horde in WC2... [strike:2u6nhamo]possibly[/strike:2u6nhamo] Zeppelins too...

Jul 22, 2009#289

ScytheRexx

It is my opinion that adding Goblin and Worgen would actually be the last step to equalizing the races. Goblin and Gnomes are the short technological races. Worgen on the other hand can be the Alliance's version of the Forsaken, a race of questionable character. If they go the "cursed human" route, rather then the "extra dimensional being" route, that would only add to the similarity. Lastly, much like how the blood elves gave the Horde one "pretty" option, the Worgen would give the Alliance one "bestial" option.

Sounds good to me overall, if the rumors even end up being true.

Also, just an FYI. The Steamweedle Cartel will remain neutral no matter if Goblins become playable or not, so don't expect places like Ratchet or Booty Bay to suddenly turn Horde-Only. Any Goblins that do join would work under a single "Trade Prince" much like they did in WarCraft 2, maybe even a promoted and more powerful Gazlowe.

Jul 22, 2009#290

Shegokigo

I seriously think they should make both Goblin and Worgen pickable on both factions. Keep the neutrality of the races while still creating some very interesting lore. :uhhuh:

Jul 22, 2009#291

ScytheRexx

Shegokigo said:
I seriously think they should make both Goblin and Worgen pickable on both factions. Keep the neutrality of the races while still creating some very interesting lore. :uhhuh:

Won't happen because of the PVP focus half the game takes. Blizzard said they wanted all the races to be very distinguishable from each other in order to promote easy sight of enemies over allies (without needing to rely on nametags).

Considering having a whole army of Goblin vs Goblin would not follow the mantra, I don't see it happening, but it could be interesting if they do decide to give it a try.

Jul 22, 2009#292

Maybe neutral races could not attack each other and could still talk. They could make money as interpreters.

Jul 22, 2009#293

sixpackshaker

Then Steamweedle Cartel would lose all that cash from the cross-faction Auction Houses...

Jul 22, 2009#294

HoboNinja

I am hoping the Worgen and Goblins come because this means that Undermine and the Maelstrom would be added and most likely Gilneas. Brann Bronzebeard says that Gilneas was overtaken by Naga so that would go along with the Maelstrom or possibly they could change it so that the Worgen are in Gilneas since the Worgen in-game are right above the Greymane wall.

Jul 22, 2009#295

Bowielee

I just can't buy Worgen as a playable race. I just can't. They'll have to be really creative with the lore. I'm still pissed about the changes they made to Sargeras and the Eredar to shoehorn Dreanei into a playable race.

At least with the forsaken they had the setup with Silvannas in the Frozen Throne.

Though, if they are to become a playable race, Arugal better figure pretty prominantly in their storyline.

Jul 22, 2009#296

Shegokigo

HoboNinja said:
I am hoping the Worgen and Goblins come because this means that Undermine and the Maelstrom would be added and most likely Gilneas. Brann Bronzebeard says that Gilneas was overtaken by Naga so that would go along with the Maelstrom or possibly they could change it so that the Worgen are in Gilneas since the Worgen in-game are right above the Greymane wall.

Gilneas is one of the first zones players will be entering as they come into Maelstrom/Cataclysm xpac. It's going to be the Borean/Fjord Hellfire Penn style zone for the that release.

Jul 22, 2009#297

Shakey

They may be able to get away with saying the humans of Gilneas were at some point transformed to Worgen, but their minds were not warped by it. They then decide to join up with the Alliance to get some sort of revenge.

If it's true I'm sure they'll come up with something.

Jul 22, 2009#298

CynicismKills

Bowielee said:
I just can't buy Worgen as a playable race. I just can't. They'll have to be really creative with the lore. I'm still pissed about the changes they made to Sargeras and the Eredar to shoehorn Dreanei into a playable race.

At least with the forsaken they had the setup with Silvannas in the Frozen Throne.

Though, if they are to become a playable race, Arugal better figure pretty prominantly in their storyline.

Arugal is really dead though, isn't he? Like, after the GH quest. Although if Gilneas is the home for Worgen it still works, they could have like, opened the gates and instead of "oh cool the plague's not so bad anymore" it might have been like "aw fuck werewolves are biting us."

Jul 22, 2009#299

Shegokigo

CynicismKills said:
Arugal is really dead though, isn't he? Like, after the GH quest. Although if Gilneas is the home for Worgen it still works, they could have like, opened the gates and instead of "oh cool the plague's not so bad anymore" it might have been like "aw fuck werewolves are biting us."

Shegokigo said:
Gilneas is one of the first zones players will be entering as they come into Maelstrom/Cataclysm xpac. It's going to be the Borean/Fjord Hellfire Penn style zone for the that release.

Jul 22, 2009#300

CynicismKills

Shegokigo said:
CynicismKills said:

Arugal is really dead though, isn't he? Like, after the GH quest. Although if Gilneas is the home for Worgen it still works, they could have like, opened the gates and instead of "oh cool the plague's not so bad anymore" it might have been like "aw fuck werewolves are biting us."

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Shegokigo said:

Gilneas is one of the first zones players will be entering as they come into Maelstrom/Cataclysm xpac. It's going to be the Borean/Fjord Hellfire Penn style zone for the that release.

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Yes I saw that, thanks. I think it'd work a lot better as the Worgen starting area, personally, as it links to another low-level zone (Silverpine). It'd be kinda weird to tack a 70+ zone onto a 15+ zone.

Jul 22, 2009#301

Shegokigo

Well the current plans are to make Wolfenhold the 1-10 zone and Xorothian Planes the 10-20, with Hillsbrad being the next area to go to for the 20s+.

Also as far as "tacking on" high level areas to regular areas, the same is going to happen when Grim Batol opens its doors, it's scheduled to be 78-81 as well.

Jul 22, 2009#302

HoboNinja

Shegokigo said:
Well the current plans are to make Wolfenhold the 1-10 zone and Xorothian Planes the 10-20, with Hillsbrad being the next area to go to for the 20s+.

Also as far as "tacking on" high level areas to regular areas, the same is going to happen when Grim Batol opens its doors, it's scheduled to be 78-81 as well.

Where are you getting this info? I trust it I am just wondering where because I love reading up on this type of stuff.

Where is Wolfenhold in the world?

Xorothian Planes? Where the warlocks get their dreadsteeds? Are they saying Worgen come from the Burning Legion worlds now? Because I know they come from another dimension but I didn't think the same one as the burning legion.

Edit: Ah I just read some more on the Worgen and their enemies the Lords of the Emerald Flame (Possibly the Fel...) So yeah would make sense. But it also said it could be the green dragonflight. But the Fel would work better because if they are enemies of the burning legion that could give them a story to join the alliance.

Jul 22, 2009#303

Shegokigo

HoboNinja said:
Where are you getting this info? I trust it I am just wondering where because I love reading up on this type of stuff.

Where is Wolfenhold in the world?

Xorothian Planes? Where the warlocks get their dreadsteeds? Are they saying Worgen come from the Burning Legion worlds now? Because I know they come from another dimension but I didn't think the same one as the burning legion.

A leaked Blizzard file that was considered to be fake when it was "found" back in the Molten Core days, but it proved itself when it documented every zone and it's level for both Burning Crusade and Wrath, down to the new race starting zones.

As for Wolfenhold not being currently "visible" in the world, neither were a few of the zones released for both BC and WOTLK. And the Xorothian planes thing? No clue, maybe as a young Worgen you have to fight for your "freedom" against whatever created you/holds you to the Dimension you came from? I'm sure the 1-20 areas will be "instanced off" as the Draenei and BE ones were.

Edit: Having a low level area connected to a high level area worked for BC just fine. The 10-20 Bloodelf starting areas were attached to the Plaguelands and Zul'Aman.

Jul 22, 2009#304

CynicismKills

Ahh, good point. I never leveled a Blood Elf past 10 or so, I tend to forget about them.

aranoid:

Jul 22, 2009#305

ScytheRexx

Well considering that list seems to be changing, they may very well use it for the starting area for Worgen instead of the original plan, but Shego is right, "The List" shows Gilneas as a 77-80 zones to be an intermediate zone leading into the islands. I personally hope that part of it is altered, as something about the Gilneas militaristic culture as werewolves makes me all happy on the inside, but we will have to wait and see. There is no evidence saying they will even be cursed humans in the end.

Where are you getting this info? I trust it I am just wondering where because I love reading up on this type of stuff.

It was a list that surfaced a long time ago, before WoW was even taking it's first steps on the market. Most discounted the list because it was during a time no one felt they could be accurate, but then the expansions started coming out. Then we started hearing about the Burning Crusade, and here is the first part of the list.

- Draenor Set

Azuremyst Isle - 1 to 10
Bloodmyrk Isle - 10 to 20

Eversong Forest - 1 to 10
Quel'thalas - 10 to 20

Hellfire Peninsula - 58 to 62
Zangarmarsh - 60 to 64
Terokkar Forest - 61 to 65
The Deadlands - 63 to 67
Nagrand - 64 to 68
Blade's Edge Mountains - 66 to 70
Netherstorm - 67 to 70
Shadowmoon Valley - 69 to 70

Notice that other then the Deadlands being missing, and Bloodmyrk now being called Bloodmyst, that breakdown is pretty much exactly what we got. We knew about what the Draenei starting area was going to be called long before we even knew what the Draenei were, and up till this list no other source even mentioned Azuremyst Isle. Now lets look at the next down on the list.

- Northrend Set

Borean Tundra - 67 to 70
Howling Fjord - 67 to 70
Dragonblight - 69 to 72
Grizzly Hills - 70 to 73
Crystalsong Forest - 72 to 75
Zul'drak - 73 to 76
Sholazar Basin - 75 to 79
Storm Peaks - 76 to 80
Icecrown Glacier - 78 to 80

Again, the trend continued. This was the one listed as the next one following the "Dreanor Set".

Now, the list continues on with The Maelstrom Set. So considering the pattern has been doing so well, many of us WarCraft geeks are being less skeptical about it. Obviously we believe some factors of it will change, but you have to admit, it is kind of strange how accurate it has been overall.

Jul 22, 2009#306

HoboNinja

No I don't mean Wolfenhold being not visible I was wondering where it is going to be, sorry for the confusion.

But yeah reading more about the Worgen, Arugal, and the Scythe of Elune, it seems the Worgen aren't necessarily bad. They seem to generally be mad and can't be controlled but I bet someone could find a way and work it into the story. The lore suggests that they are from the Xoroth and they are the enemies of the Fel/Burning Legion.

Do you know where I could get that leaked info? I remember reading a file with a lot of that stuff back when BC released but I can't find it with my google-fu.

Jul 22, 2009#307

Shegokigo

Yeah, like the Panderans and Worgen being in the "Planes" xpac.

Panda's are pretty much off the list now, and like you've said a few times the Emerald Dream/Worgen might come in the Maelstrom set.

Jul 22, 2009#308

CynicismKills

I'm okay with them not using Pandarens, I like the idea of them almost being like a myth, for example that Keg quest out in the Barrens that always had you like two steps behind one.

Jul 22, 2009#309

Shegokigo

CynicismKills said:
I'm okay with them not using Pandarens, I like the idea of them almost being like a myth, for example that Keg quest out in the Barrens that always had you like two steps behind one.

Except them being as key to the founding of Ogrimmar as Rexxar. :bush:

Jul 22, 2009#310

CynicismKills

Shegokigo said:
CynicismKills said:

I'm okay with them not using Pandarens, I like the idea of them almost being like a myth, for example that Keg quest out in the Barrens that always had you like two steps behind one.

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Except them being as key to the founding of Ogrimmar as Rexxar. :bush:

Now that I honestly don't remember. Seems I need to brush up on my wowwiki.

edit: Ah, Chen. Looked it up, I remember now. He's the guy who's casks you find in the Barrens.

Jul 22, 2009#311

ScytheRexx

Shegokigo said:
Yeah, like the Panderans and Worgen being in the "Planes" xpac. Panda's are pretty much off the list now, and like you've said a few times the Emerald Dream/Worgen might come in the Maelstrom set.

If you consider it, Blizzard making Goblins instead of Pandaren make sense. They both live in the same general area (The Great Sea), and since Pandaria is "hidden" from the world, Blizzard can put it anywhere it damn well pleases. By changing to Goblins, all Blizzard needs to do with the original plan is change the "Pandaria" they created to some other, Goblin owned island, and then keep Hiji the way it is.

Now that I honestly don't remember. Seems I need to brush up on my wowwiki.

You might not have even gotten him. Chen Stormstout was a "bonus" character that you could find in Northrend Barrens during the special orc campaign. He would join with Rexxar is you brought him special beer ingredients. Once you get him in your "party" he stays with you the rest of the game, even fighting with you at Theramore. WoW confirmed that Chen Stormstout and his actions with Rexxar are "Canon" and his pupil, Brewmaster Drohn, talks about when Chen and Rexxar were adventuring together.

Jul 22, 2009#312

HoboNinja

http://wow.incgamers.com/forums/archive ... 17724.html

Found the list, so are they just combining the Planes and Maelstrom expansions or just moving some stuff around?

Jul 22, 2009#313

Shegokigo

HoboNinja said:
http://wow.incgamers.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-417724.html

Found the list, so are they just combining the Planes and Maelstrom expansions or just moving some stuff around?

Your guess is as good as ours, at the moment we're only sure that they've leaked that Worgen may be more finished than we'd expect and that the maps in Emerald Dream have begun being more "fleshed" out.

Jul 22, 2009#314

ScytheRexx

HoboNinja said:
Found the list, so are they just combining the Planes and Maelstrom expansions or just moving some stuff around?

That is the rumor. Some of my fellows found alterations done to some of the Emerald Dream maps for the first time in ages, fleshing them out to possibly become instances at the very least. It could just be them messing around and trying ideas to get ready for the following expansion, but my friends and I have been considering they might turn the "planes" into more of a "Caverns of Time" style experience for the Maelstrom Set rather then a unique expansion, but that is just all theory and wishful thinking on our end.

Jul 22, 2009#315

ScytheRexx

Metzen is an evil, evil man. Here is part of an interview at ComicCon that had Metzen answer a rather interesting question.

Medievaldragon: Are we ever seeing the Scythe of Elune questline and how it all tied into Karazhan and the Dark Riders explored in a future pocket book?

Metzen: I will say there are elements of the Scythe of Elune questline that are not ... over ... (long silence).

Neilson: (laughs)

Metzen: ... (longer silence) Alright, that’s all I’m saying. (laughs)

Woah, WOAH! (Metzen jokingly makes a motion with his hands and legs as if tight-rope walking).

(Everyone laughs)

Medievaldragon: Quick sand! Quick sand!

The Scythe of Elune is one of the biggest mystery quests in the game, and is tied intimately to the Worgen. His display is characteristic of him wanting to tell us something big is coming involving it, but not able to give it away without getting in trouble. He actually did something similar a few months back, when asked about Gilneas he simply stopped, looked around, said "We have some very, very interesting plans for Gilneas", looked around some more, before saying "That is all I am going to say, they have snipers on the roof."

Jul 22, 2009#316

Bowielee

The Scythe of Elune quests are awsome and you can pretty much piece together most of the history of HOW the worgen got to Azeroth, but not a whole lot of the WHY.

You pretty much have do questlines in 2 continents to get that much info. Though, I'm not even sure how much the horde quests get into the scythe of Elune. If I recall, most of their Worgen history is basically centered around Arugal.

Jul 23, 2009#317

ScytheRexx

I knew this would happen, someone was going to shoop a Worgen and try to pass it off as real. I have to admit though, this guy put a lot of effort into his fake, I can actually see it being in the game.

Jul 24, 2009#318

KCWM

i kid

Thats a pretty cool model. Just reading what you guys have to say here makes me hope that worgen are playable. Ever since BC, I've thought that goblins would be a playable race at some point...but it was just a hunch then.

Jul 24, 2009#319

ScytheRexx

Most of us believe it was a race leak, others think it was Blizzard doing this on purpose to generate hype for BlizzCon, etc... Lots of interesting theories from both sides of the camp. The Metzen comment threw a lot more onto the fire.

Jul 24, 2009#320

HoboNinja

Well are we sure Worgen will be Alliance?

Looking at the notes they originally planned Pandarians and Worgen and the Pandas would most definitely be Alliance... unless they are making them both neutral and can be picked by either side which would be cool but doubtful.

Jul 24, 2009#321

Chazwozel

ScytheRexx said:
Metzen is an evil, evil man. Here is part of an interview at ComicCon that had Metzen answer a rather interesting question.

Medievaldragon: Are we ever seeing the Scythe of Elune questline and how it all tied into Karazhan and the Dark Riders explored in a future pocket book?

Metzen: I will say there are elements of the Scythe of Elune questline that are not ... over ... (long silence).

Neilson: (laughs)

Metzen: ... (longer silence) Alright, that’s all I’m saying. (laughs)

Woah, WOAH! (Metzen jokingly makes a motion with his hands and legs as if tight-rope walking).

(Everyone laughs)

Medievaldragon: Quick sand! Quick sand!

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The Scythe of Elune is one of the biggest mystery quests in the game, and is tied intimately to the Worgen. His display is characteristic of him wanting to tell us something big is coming involving it, but not able to give it away without getting in trouble. He actually did something similar a few months back, when asked about Gilneas he simply stopped, looked around, said "We have some very, very interesting plans for Gilneas", looked around some more, before saying "That is all I am going to say, they have snipers on the roof."

I thought he said "they forgot about Gilneas."

Jul 24, 2009#322

Shegokigo

HoboNinja said:
Well are we sure Worgen will be Alliance?

Looking at the notes they originally planned Pandarians and Worgen and the Pandas would most definitely be Alliance... unless they are making them both neutral and can be picked by either side which would be cool but doubtful.

You're joking right? Did you miss the part where I wrote that Panderans were crucial to the building of Ogrimmar?

Jul 24, 2009#323

Chazwozel

Shegokigo said:
HoboNinja said:

Well are we sure Worgen will be Alliance?

Looking at the notes they originally planned Pandarians and Worgen and the Pandas would most definitely be Alliance... unless they are making them both neutral and can be picked by either side which would be cool but doubtful.

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You're joking right? Did you miss the part where I wrote that Panderans were crucial to the building of Ogrimmar?

I was gonna say... I think the Worgen would have more alliance affiliation since, if and when their nation was human, they were briefly part of the alliance.

Jul 24, 2009#324

ScytheRexx

HoboNinja said:
Looking at the notes they originally planned Pandarens and Worgen and the Pandas would most definitely be Alliance... unless they are making them both neutral and can be picked by either side which would be cool but doubtful.

What makes you say that? The only "canon" Pandaren we saw so far was on the Horde, Chen Stormstout. The fact that the Pandaren are known as strong followers of the Earthmother, the same goddess of the Tauren, puts them more on the Horde then the Alliance, at least spiritually.

I thought he said "they forgot about Gilneas.

That was an interview years ago, around the time BC was occurring or before. People were bringing up Grim Batol and Gilneas a lot, and he flat out said "We forgot about Gilneas." I was under the opinion he said that mostly to just shut people up about it.

irate:

The recent interview, done by the webmaster of BlizzPlanet, was actually for the latest WarCraft Novel, "Arthas", but they went off on a lot of random questions about WarCraft lore in general. Like I said before in this thread, when Gilneas was once again brought up during the interview, Metzen looked around like he wanted to tell us something but was unable to do it. He made this smirk and is words were, and I am paraphrasing since I can't look for the video right now, that "We have some very... "interesting" plans for Gilneas. But you know... snipers on the roof, that is all I am going to say." The webmaster didn't push any further, but it caused a major buzz around the WarCraft lore community. That, and the appearance of Genn Greymane during "Arthas", makes people think Gilneas will soon become more prominent in the near future as more then just another random zone. Genn even appeared during the induction of Arthas into the Silver Hand, he was the only national leader other then Varian Wrynn to do so, which many of us found odd considering he was the least loyal to the Alliance as a whole, and downright despised Terenas.

Jul 24, 2009#325

Chazwozel

Goddamn, Grim Batol. I've been wanting that opened for ages.

Mark my words: If Gnomergan finally is reclaimed from the lvl 30 mobs, I will return to Azeroth.

Jul 24, 2009#326

Hailey Knight

Old Azeroth needs some kind of friggin' update. I know it's supposed to be that if you start a new character, he/she exists earlier in time than when it would get to level 80, but level 80s do go back from time to time. I would love to see at least some of phasing affect the old continents. It's really awesome in Lich King.

Jul 24, 2009#327

GeneralOrder24

Chazwozel said:
Goddamn, Grim Batol. I've been wanting that opened for ages.

Mark my words: If Gnomergan finally is reclaimed from the lvl 30 mobs, I will return to Azeroth.

Sorry Chaz, but doesn't the gnome intro cutscene describe Gnomeregan as being "irrevocably lost," or something along those lines?

EDIT: and then goes on to say they're working with the dwarves to take it back. There's some good writing right there.

Jul 24, 2009#328

SpecialKO

Chazwozel said:
Goddamn, Grim Batol. I've been wanting that opened for ages.

Mark my words: If Gnomergan finally is reclaimed from the lvl 30 mobs, I will return to Azeroth.

I will go back to playing my gnome-lock if that happens.

Jul 24, 2009#329

ScytheRexx

Long time ago I submitted a suggestion that would have allowed the return of Gnomeregan without losing the instance, and it involves a secondary part of the city being found and opened. In other words it would be similar to how Silvermoon is represented right now, one side lived in and healthy, the other side lost and corrupt.

Obviously they never used it, bastards. :waah:

Jul 24, 2009#330

SpecialKO

ScytheRexx said:
Long time ago I submitted a suggestion that would have allowed the return of Gnomeregan without losing the instance, and it involves a secondary part of the city being found and opened. In other words it would be similar to how Silvermoon is represented right now, one side lived in and healthy, the other side lost and corrupt.

Obviously they never used it, bastards. :waah:

That would be sweet.

I would like a new lvl 80 instance where players more deeply investigate the cause of the trogg invasion. Would fit theoretically with any plot involving the return of the Titans [spoiler:3dq6suli]or another Old God waking up[/spoiler:3dq6suli]

Jul 24, 2009#331

Bowielee

If they open up Gnomeregan, they also better establish a troll capital as well.

Jul 24, 2009#332

Hailey Knight

Bowielee said:
If they open up Gnomeregan, they also better establish a troll capital as well.

Yeah, Blood Elves need more places to find and kill them.

Jul 24, 2009#333

SpecialKO

Bowielee said:
If they open up Gnomeregan, they also better establish a troll capital as well.

Re-taking ZG for Trolldom, maybe? It's not like anyone goes there at all anymore, except to 5-man Hakkar for kicks.

Jul 25, 2009#334

Hailey Knight

And achievements!

Sometimes people can't even 5-man it. We had a raid group made of total RETARDS, disorganized, running in all directions. The few level 60s would go running off on their own, dying, and then asking everyone to come back so they could be rezzed rather than walking... and people actually did it for the lazy bums.

When it came to Hakkar, EVERYONE DIED, meaning level 80s as well, except my fiance's Warlock, who was down to about 500 health before killing the damn thing and getting the achievement for everyone.

I don't think I'll ever complete Ahn'Qiraj temple or Black Temple because the people who still do them for the achievements form the worst of PUGs. I usually get pretty good groups for 5-mans, but I think people feel that because they're over-leveled that the old raids will be a cakewalk.

Jul 25, 2009#335

HoboNinja

Shegokigo said:
HoboNinja said:

Well are we sure Worgen will be Alliance?

Looking at the notes they originally planned Pandarians and Worgen and the Pandas would most definitely be Alliance... unless they are making them both neutral and can be picked by either side which would be cool but doubtful.

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You're joking right? Did you miss the part where I wrote that Panderans were crucial to the building of Ogrimmar?

Sure Chen did help with that but I think the Pandarians would work much better as allies of the Alliance and the Dwarves in particular than Horde.

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escushion said:
And achievements!

Sometimes people can't even 5-man it. We had a raid group made of total RETARDS, disorganized, running in all directions. The few level 60s would go running off on their own, dying, and then asking everyone to come back so they could be rezzed rather than walking... and people actually did it for the lazy bums.

When it came to Hakkar, EVERYONE DIED, meaning level 80s as well, except my fiance's Warlock, who was down to about 500 health before killing the damn thing and getting the achievement for everyone.

I don't think I'll ever complete Ahn'Qiraj temple or Black Temple because the people who still do them for the achievements form the worst of PUGs. I usually get pretty good groups for 5-mans, but I think people feel that because they're over-leveled that the old raids will be a cakewalk.

Umm they are cakewalks... we 6 manned ZG at 70 and I know people who did it with 2 or 3.

Jul 25, 2009#336

Hailey Knight

I went to Molten Core at 70; the enemies do not simply fall over and die like I would except a grayed 60 elite to do for a level 70. That is what I mean when I say they are not cakewalks. People go into these things thinking the level 80s can "run" them no matter what stupid crap they pull. You still have to be smart about it.

I mean yeah, we've 5-manned Onyxia, but we still needed to heal and such.

Jul 25, 2009#337

Shegokigo

escushion said:
I don't think I'll ever complete Ahn'Qiraj temple or Black Temple because the people who still do them for the achievements form the worst of PUGs. I usually get pretty good groups for 5-mans, but I think people feel that because they're over-leveled that the old raids will be a cakewalk.

A good solid raiding guild will throw in old world raids once a month for achievements. Any chance in getting in on some of those?

HoboNinja said:
Sure Chen did help with that but I think the Pandarians would work much better as allies of the Alliance and the Dwarves in particular than Horde.

I would LOVE to hear your reasoning behind that.

HoboNinja said:
Umm they are cakewalks... we 6 manned ZG at 70 and I know people who did it with 2 or 3.

Heh, there's a video of a Death Knight soloing all of ZG.

escushion said:
I went to Molten Core at 70; the enemies do not simply fall over and die like I would except a grayed 60 elite to do for a level 70. That is what I mean when I say they are not cakewalks. People go into these things thinking the level 80s can "run" them no matter what stupid crap they pull. You still have to be smart about it.

I mean yeah, we've 5-manned Onyxia, but we still needed to heal and such.

People have 2-3 manned all of Molten Core, and there are plenty of classes who have soloed Ony. It's a cake walk if the people are competant and very well geared. :slywink:

Jul 25, 2009#338

HoboNinja

Shegokigo said:
I would LOVE to hear your reasoning behind that.

Just playing through War3 they seem like too peaceful of a race to be with the Horde, during the part of the lore where Chen helps with Org it's kind of a calm time where the horde is all nice and goody goody with Jaina... granted lorewise the Horde are actually not bad guys but still. They seem too peaceful, also the love for brewing makes them fit with the Dwarves, shit almost every piece of Pandarian lore I found in WoW was in Alliance quests, maybe I just got unlucky on my horde characters and didn't do those quests.

Like sure they are pretty buff and beast mode but overall they just seem like nice Pandas.

Jul 25, 2009#339

ScytheRexx

HoboNinja said:
Just playing through War3 they seem like too peaceful of a race to be with the Horde, during the part of the lore where Chen helps with Org it's kind of a calm time where the horde is all nice and goody goody with Jaina... granted lorewise the Horde are actually not bad guys but still. They seem too peaceful, also the love for brewing makes them fit with the Dwarves, poop almost every piece of Pandarian lore I found in WoW was in Alliance quests, maybe I just got unlucky on my horde characters and didn't do those quests.

The Alliance is being more of a warmongering faction this expansion. It was the Alliance that declared War on the Horde after the Wrathgate, even though Thrall sent a signed letter of apology and went himself to kill the betrayers that caused it. Varian Wrynn even spends half his time taking any chance he can to push Garrosh into fighting him, which in the next patch reaches a new level of stupid when they cause all the champions of one side to get brutally murdered. Garrosh at least is not top of the Horde food chain though, Varian does not have someone like Thrall to hold him back in the least.

Also, not sure what you means about every piece of Pandaren Lore you found in Alliance quests. The only quest that even mentions the Pandaren is Chen's Empty Keg, a Horde quest in the Barrens. Not a single other quest even mentions the Pandaren, and I know that for certain since I have done nearly every quest in the game. (minus the Alliance Northrend quests). Can you point out the one I might have missed? I would like to see it.

As for the brewing, just because the dwarves are stereotypically drunks, does not mean the other races don't like to brew. Chen himself helped the orc Drohn start his own brewery, which appears at the Horde version of Brewfest every year (Drohn is the same orc you turn-in the Keg from Chen). In the end, the Pandaren can go either way just like how the Blood Elves suddenly became Horde, but the precedent "so far" makes them seem more Horde-aligned, both practically and spiritually.

Jul 25, 2009#340

Bowielee

ScytheRexx said:
As for the brewing, just because the dwarves are stereotypically drunks, does not mean the other races don't like to brew. Chen himself helped the orc Drohn start his own brewery, which appears at the Horde version of Brewfest every year (Drohn is the same orc you turn-in the Keg from Chen). In the end, the Pandaren can go either way just like how the Blood Elves suddenly became Horde, but the precedent "so far" makes them seem more Horde-aligned, both practically and spiritually.

I don't think Blood Elves being Horde was that surprising givent the events of the Frozen throne. The alliance totally screwed the eleves over, so I can see why they would refuse joining.

Jul 25, 2009#341

ScytheRexx

Bowielee said:
I don't think Blood Elves being Horde was that surprising givent the events of the Frozen throne. The alliance totally screwed the eleves over, so I can see why they would refuse joining.

I was talking more about the precedent. The Blood Elves, through WarCraft 2 and WarCraft 3, were Alliance (High Elves). The precedent was for them to once again be Alliance. Them being on Horde was still considered a rather large curve ball when BC came out, not that any of us minded it.

I was just bringing them up because I wanted to explain that while the Pandaren can go Horde or Alliance (Much like how the Blood Elves switched) the precedent right now is leaning on the Horde. As silly as it is, Chen Stormstout is the only thing we got to a close representation of them, and since Blizzard will probably never add them to the game for fear of losing China as a market, he may be the last representation of the race.

Jul 25, 2009#342

Shegokigo

What was a nice little bit of lore was Zul'Aman going anti-Horde because of the joining of the Blood Elves.

Jul 25, 2009#343

ScytheRexx

Shegokigo said:
What was a nice little bit of lore was Zul'Aman going anti-Horde because of the joining of the Blood Elves.

If only they actually went further with that instead of making us go in for a guy whose name is a play off "Redneck". :eek:

rly: Sorry Zul'Aman was a sore spot for me, one of the only instances I felt Blizzard wasted it's potential once it actually got into the game.

Jul 25, 2009#344

JCM

ScytheRexx said:
This is for all my fellow WoW players that may not have seen this. This was discovered by Handclaw, a poster on one of the lore boards I visit for WarCraft.

It seems while he was datamining the new PTR, he noticed some new textures were added to the game. They were new "masks" for the Hallow's End yearly world event. In case those don't remember, these masks are just flat models with the face texture of one of the playable races stretched over it, both male and female. Here is what Handclaw found.

Seems we will be having Goblins and Worgen next expansion.

Jul 25, 2009#345

Hailey Knight

Plus, the Alliance are shitheads, and the Pandarans would never ally with shitheads.

Jul 25, 2009#346

Pojodan

escushion said:
Plus, the Alliance are shitheads, and the Pandarans would never ally with shitheads.

The Humans are shitheads.

The Dwarfs are too drunk to realize this, and the gnomes like the dwarfs too much to go anywhere else.

The Night Elves hates the horde too much to ally with anyone else, and the Dreanei are at great odds with the Blood Elves, so them siding with the Horde makes siding with the Alliance make sense.

So, truely, the Alliance is rather disjointed, but all basically in it for the same cause.

Except the gnomes, they just build stuff and act weird.

Jul 25, 2009#347

SpecialKO

There's no player faction who's really "heroic" in the game atm besides the Orcs.

The Trollkin are essentially subservient to the Orcs (and their cousins are bad guys for tons of dungeons and zones), the Tauren are less heroic than "we would appreciate being left alone", the Forsaken want to wipe out all the living (they're just patient), and the Blood Elves are crazed junkies.

Jul 25, 2009#348

ScytheRexx

TeKeo said:
the Forsaken want to wipe out all the living (they're just patient), and the Blood Elves are crazed junkies.

To be fair, the Blood Elves in the progression are no longer junkies, that ended when the Sunwell was restored with holy energy. The Undead are a little more tricky since they sort of "vanish" for the most part following the Wrathgate Event, but they are taking part in the Argent Tournament.

Much of my fellows and I theorize that Thrall coming to the aid of the Forsaken, even giving them shelter when they had no home to go, has only strengthened the Horde and made the Forsaken less bitter towards the living as a whole, and that the very corrupt ones perished with Putress and Varimathras during the Battle of the Undercity.

Until we see real progression with the undead though, that can only be theory.

Jul 25, 2009#349

SpecialKO

ScytheRexx said:
TeKeo said:

the Forsaken want to wipe out all the living (they're just patient), and the Blood Elves are crazed junkies.

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To be fair, the Blood Elves in the progression are no longer junkies, that ended when the Sunwell was restored with holy energy. The Undead are a little more tricky since they sort of "vanish" for the most part following the Wrathgate Event, but they are taking part in the Argent Tournament.

Much of my fellows and I theorize that Thrall coming to the aid of the Forsaken, even giving them shelter when they had no home to go, has only strengthened the Horde and made the Forsaken less bitter towards the living as a whole, and that the very corrupt ones perished with Putress and Varimathras during the Battle of the Undercity.

Until we see real progression with the undead though, that can only be theory.

We'll see. Since Sylvanas ordered the creation of the plague, it's worth noting that she was likely only annoyed that Putress and Varimathras tried to oust her. There's nothing to suggest that she's shelved her original plans.

Jul 25, 2009#350

Bowielee

TeKeo said:
ScytheRexx said:

TeKeo said:

the Forsaken want to wipe out all the living (they're just patient), and the Blood Elves are crazed junkies.

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To be fair, the Blood Elves in the progression are no longer junkies, that ended when the Sunwell was restored with holy energy. The Undead are a little more tricky since they sort of "vanish" for the most part following the Wrathgate Event, but they are taking part in the Argent Tournament.

Much of my fellows and I theorize that Thrall coming to the aid of the Forsaken, even giving them shelter when they had no home to go, has only strengthened the Horde and made the Forsaken less bitter towards the living as a whole, and that the very corrupt ones perished with Putress and Varimathras during the Battle of the Undercity.

Until we see real progression with the undead though, that can only be theory.

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We'll see. Since Sylvanas ordered the creation of the plague, it's worth noting that she was likely only annoyed that Putress and Varimathras tried to oust her. There's nothing to suggest that she's shelved her original plans.

Though, the plague that Sylvanas is working on is different that the other plague. She's trying to basically make all of Azeroth undead so the other races have no choice but to accept them.

Putress and Varimathras are working on a plague that basically works the same as the Lich plague but with them as the controlling mind.

Jul 25, 2009#351

Vrii

Shegokigo said:
Heh, there's a video of a Death Knight soloing all of ZG.

I've soloed ZG on my pally. Most of the bosses in AQ20, a lot of MC, and 2 in AQ40. Those are the hard ones. :heythere:

Jul 25, 2009#352

ScytheRexx

TeKeo said:
We'll see. Since Sylvanas ordered the creation of the plague, it's worth noting that she was likely only annoyed that Putress and Varimathras tried to oust her. There's nothing to suggest that she's shelved her original plans.

She ordered the creation of the plague after Varimathras was already her second-in-command. Remember, this is a DREAD LORD we are talking about here. They are all about deception, manipulation, and betrayal. This is made all the more clear in the Ashbringer comic, just to be clear, these are spoilers.

Near the end of the second release of the comic, Balnazzar, who had taken control of the Scarlet Crusade through the body of Dathrohan, meets with his brother Varimathras in the shadows of Tirisfal. The two speak about their plans and machinations, and soon they are greeted by one of Varimathras' loyal minions, the Forsaken Castillian. The mage brought back plague spores from Naxxramas, that Varimathras mentioned he would bring to his minion, Putress, in order to complete "his" plague.

Even not counting that, other stories had appeared in sources like the RPG. One involved a Forsaken that had come across a letter that was to be sent to Strathholme. This letter proved Varimathras and his loyal agents were controlling the Forsaken from within, and that something horrible was to happen in the future. He took the letter to the throne room, yelling out for the Dark Lady saying they are all being deceived. To his horror, Sylvanas was not in the throne room, instead only a lone Varimathras stood in Sylvanas place apon the platform. He comments that Sylvanas had left for a bit, but that he would handle the issue personally. The last scene is Varimathras closing the doors on the terrified Forsaken, his fate unknown, but pretty obvious.

If anything I don't see the Blight being continued. Sylvanas by now probably realizes that the plague she was developing was due to the whispers of a demon she thought she was controlling, only for herself to get the wake-up call of a lifetime when Varimathras almost killed her. It even makes it clear from the Forsaken outside Orgrimmar, during the Battle of the Undercity event, that Sylvanas fought tooth and nail to save as many of her people as she could rather then fleeing to save her own skin. That is not something the old Sylvanas would have done. They have been hinting this ever since the foundation of the Tranquillian. And I am sure you have heard the .

There are many other observations pointing to a possible change in the Forsaken for the coming expansions. While I don't think they will become gumdrops and sunshine, I do feel Blizzard is trying to make the conflict even more grey then before, with the Alliance being the much more aggressive entity, and the Horde growing closer and closer as a single force of unity.

Though, the plague that Sylvanas is working on is different that the other plague. She's trying to basically make all of Azeroth undead so the other races have no choice but to accept them.

Putress and Varimathras are working on a plague that basically works the same as the Lich plague but with them as the controlling mind.

Actually, that is not true. "The Blight" is the culmination of the Forsaken Plague, and was not developed to bring others into undeath. The purpose of the Blight was to gain a weapon that could be used to counteract the Scourge, something so deadly, so corrosive, that nothing living or dead could survive it. This is why even the Forsaken themselves adorn gas masks while working with the worst of it, since inhaling the substance would kill them just as much as it would kill anything else.

The Blight was to be used to wipe out the Scourge, and then used to wipe out any other enemies of the Forsaken in the aftermath. Sylvanas made it very clear that the Scourge was her #1 target for the plague, since until Arthas is killed, she will never die, she is in constant torment by this fact. Just an FYI.

Jul 25, 2009#353

Hailey Knight

Err, so wait then. Does that mean if Arthas is killed, Sylvanas dies? What if they attach phasing to raid results?

Jul 25, 2009#354

Bowielee

escushion said:
Err, so wait then. Does that mean if Arthas is killed, Sylvanas dies? What if they attach phasing to raid results?

I believe they have already stated that Arthas won't be the big boss for this expansion. I think he's just too important to the Lore to die. They could have him run away at the last minute, but without the lich king, there is no Scourge, so that would royally screw the lore.

Jul 25, 2009#355

Hailey Knight

Bowielee said:
escushion said:

Err, so wait then. Does that mean if Arthas is killed, Sylvanas dies? What if they attach phasing to raid results?

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I believe they have already stated that Arthas won't be the big boss for this expansion. I think he's just too important to the Lore to die. They could have him run away at the last minute, but without the lich king, there is no Scourge, so that would royally screw the lore.

How can he not be? It's Wrath of the Lich King. Who are people gonna fight, Nerzhul?

Jul 25, 2009#356

Shegokigo

This is my best guess:

We fight and kill Arthas, Nerzhul possesses Tirion at some point and becomes the new Lich King and is wisked away somewhere to brood and reform the Scourge.

That would explain how they'll avoid having Frostmourne drop and will give a reason for the non-corrupted Ashbringer to become loot.

Jul 26, 2009#357

Pojodan

Arthas will be defeated, yes, we've already seen signs of that, what with him being blasted by the Ashbringer, the Forsaken plauge, and other things. Arthas is not in good shape.

Arthas, however, is just part of the Lich King, bound together by Frostmourn.

My personal vision for Icecrown is that Arthas is the first encounter and is rather easy as fights go, but rather than die, the Lich King separates from him and Frostmourn falls to the ground. Someone, likely Tirion, will rush forth and pick up Frostmourn and the Lich King will bind to him and disappear deeper into Icecrown. The raid then has to fight through the remaining bosses to reach the new Lich King where the final, epic battle will take place.

What happens then, though... I have no idea.

Jul 26, 2009#358

ScytheRexx

Considering how much Metzen loves Tirion, I don't think he will become the next Lich King. I have actually been assuming Garrosh would take that mantle, because out of all the characters, he would be the most brash and stupid to think he could handle the influence of the Lich King.

Oh, and just an FYI, Ner'zhul does not exist at this point. His soul is buried deep inside the mind of Arthas, after Arthas betrayed him inside his mental landscape. This is one of the reasons the Scourge is not doing as well, because the Lich King no longer has the cold calculations of Ner'zhul, and instead the brash, cocky arrogance of the fallen prince. The only time Ner'zhul may escape this fate is when Arthas dies, and I see exactly that happening, with him taking a new, much more controllable host.

Oh, and just to clarify, Sylvanas will not just fall over dead once Arthas is killed. The issue is that her soul is bound to his. You can go into the Undercity and cut down Sylvanas, destroying her almost entirely, and she will reform in a few days. She can never rest or be destroyed. When the day comes that Sylvanas is finally free of that, she may take her life, she may not, we would have to wait to see how that story progresses.

I just hope she does have something to do with Icecrown, it would be a shame if she didn't considering how much history she has with Arthas.

Jul 26, 2009#359

Dei

My theory is that [spoiler:1otzfs2f]Mal'ganis[/spoiler:1otzfs2f] is going to get tied into any battle we have with Arthas and quite possibly end up the new owner of a damned sword. I can't think of any other reason to have reintroduced him in Icecrown.

Jul 26, 2009#360

Hailey Knight

Dei said:
My theory is that [spoiler:1nvp278k]Mal'ganis[/spoiler:1nvp278k] is going to get tied into any battle we have with Arthas and quite possibly end up the new owned of a damned sword. I can't think of any other reason to have reintroduced him in Icecrown.

Wasn't he dead too?

Jul 26, 2009#361

Dei

[spoiler:1i14ikpy]If you are still playing WoW, go do the dailies in Icecrown that have you deal with the Scarlet Onslaught.[/spoiler:1i14ikpy]

[spoiler:1i14ikpy]Basically, after being "defeated" by Arthas, Mal'Ganis took a page from Balnazzar's book and has been posing as the Grand Admiral of the Scarlet Onslaught. (The guy who shows up to taunt you after you kill that chick in Dragonblight)[/spoiler:1i14ikpy]

Jul 26, 2009#362

Hailey Knight

Haven't gotten to Icecrown yet, though I do remember the guy in Dragonblight.

Aug 10, 2009#363

D

DANEgerous

All orphans have been playable races to, the orphans that just came out are Wolvar and Gorlocks.

Oh wait, did i just invalidate you evidence? yep i did.

Aug 10, 2009#364

Shegokigo

DANEgerous said:
All orphans have been playable races to, the orphans that just came out are Wolvar and Gorlocks.

Oh wait, did i just invalidate you evidence? yep i did.

Complete and utter fail. Oh and not even a decent necro.

Aug 10, 2009#365

DANEgerous said:
All orphans have been playable races to, the orphans that just came out are Wolvar and Gorlocks.

Oh wait, did i just invalidate you evidence? yep i did.

Orphans? Are you talking about NPC orphans from different parts of the game?

Aug 10, 2009#366

Shegokigo

No he means the newly released Gorlok and Wolvar orphans for Orphan Week (special limited time exception for these 2) in Dalaran.

No idea what in the heal he's babbling about with the orphan and Goblin/Worgen races coming out.

Aug 10, 2009#367

CynicismKills

Shegokigo said:
No he means the newly released Gorlok and Wolvar orphans for Orphan Week (special limited time exception for these 2) in Dalaran.

No idea what in the heal he's babbling about with the orphan and Goblin/Worgen races coming out.

He's trying to use SR's argument that we've only ever gotten masks of playable races. Technically the guy is right, as the orphans up to this point had been human/orc and draenei/BE. He's claiming that since the new orphans are invalidating SR's argument or something.

The problem is the new orphans aren't part of Children's Week, and don't count towards any achievements for it.

Also, I've heard that in some recent datamining people have found the layout for a Blademaster class. I'll have to find the link.

Aug 10, 2009#368

Ooh! The new guy may have something. Or not. We still just don't know anything. But Blizz is so good about keeping interest high...

Aug 10, 2009#369

SpecialKO

CynicismKills said:
Also, I've heard that in some recent datamining people have found the layout for a Blademaster class. I'll have to find the link.

Now that would be freakin' cool. Warrior hero-class. :thumbsup:

Aug 10, 2009#370

Frankie Williamson

CynicismKills said:
Shegokigo said:

No he means the newly released Gorlok and Wolvar orphans for Orphan Week (special limited time exception for these 2) in Dalaran.

No idea what in the heal he's babbling about with the orphan and Goblin/Worgen races coming out.

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He's trying to use SR's argument that we've only ever gotten masks of playable races. Technically the guy is right, as the orphans up to this point had been human/orc and draenei/BE. He's claiming that since the new orphans are invalidating SR's argument or something.

The problem is the new orphans aren't part of Children's Week, and don't count towards any achievements for it.

Also, I've heard that in some recent datamining people have found the layout for a Blademaster class. I'll have to find the link.

I would say there's a better chance that tomorrow I wake up with both Kate Beckinsale and Jennifer Connelly in my bed than there is that the next hero class is also a melee class.

Aug 10, 2009#371

CynicismKills

Frankie said:
CynicismKills said:

Shegokigo said:

No he means the newly released Gorlok and Wolvar orphans for Orphan Week (special limited time exception for these 2) in Dalaran.

No idea what in the heal he's babbling about with the orphan and Goblin/Worgen races coming out.

Click to expand...

He's trying to use SR's argument that we've only ever gotten masks of playable races. Technically the guy is right, as the orphans up to this point had been human/orc and draenei/BE. He's claiming that since the new orphans are invalidating SR's argument or something.

The problem is the new orphans aren't part of Children's Week, and don't count towards any achievements for it.

Also, I've heard that in some recent datamining people have found the layout for a Blademaster class. I'll have to find the link.

Click to expand...

I would say there's a better chance that tomorrow I wake up with both Kate Beckinsale and Jennifer Connelly in my bed than there is that the next hero class is also a melee class.

Oh yeah, it's early, early data which means for all we know it'll get scrapped. But the basic idea he gave me was a leather or mail class, using special marks to turn damage done into healing abilities for your party. Based off of three "gems" somewhat like a combo system.

Aug 10, 2009#372

Shakey

CynicismKills said:
Frankie said:

CynicismKills said:

Shegokigo said:

No he means the newly released Gorlok and Wolvar orphans for Orphan Week (special limited time exception for these 2) in Dalaran.

No idea what in the heal he's babbling about with the orphan and Goblin/Worgen races coming out.

Click to expand...

He's trying to use SR's argument that we've only ever gotten masks of playable races. Technically the guy is right, as the orphans up to this point had been human/orc and draenei/BE. He's claiming that since the new orphans are invalidating SR's argument or something.

The problem is the new orphans aren't part of Children's Week, and don't count towards any achievements for it.

Also, I've heard that in some recent datamining people have found the layout for a Blademaster class. I'll have to find the link.

Click to expand...

I would say there's a better chance that tomorrow I wake up with both Kate Beckinsale and Jennifer Connelly in my bed than there is that the next hero class is also a melee class.

Click to expand...

Oh yeah, it's early, early data which means for all we know it'll get scrapped. But the basic idea he gave me was a leather or mail class, using special marks to turn damage done into healing abilities for your party. Based off of three "gems" somewhat like a combo system.

Kinda like a DK in mail or leather...

Aug 10, 2009#373

Shegokigo

Shakey said:
Kinda like a DK in mail or leather...

Except it heals.

Aug 10, 2009#374

AshburnerX

I hope we get some of those crazy Blademaster abilities from Warcraft 3, like the multi-clones and the Whirlwind of Death.

Aug 10, 2009#375

Shakey

Shegokigo said:
Shakey said:

Kinda like a DK in mail or leather...

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Except it heals.

Heals enough to be the healer, or heals like a DK heals himself?

Aug 10, 2009#376

CynicismKills

Shakey said:
Shegokigo said:

Shakey said:

Kinda like a DK in mail or leather...

Click to expand...

Except it heals.

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Heals enough to be the healer, or heals like a DK heals himself?

The data I was told about makes it sound like an Enhancement Shaman but with a different system to replace mana.

Like I said though, this was pulled from some early code some internet dude found, so it could all be a load of crap.

Aug 10, 2009#377

Shakey

CynicismKills said:
Shakey said:

Shegokigo said:

Shakey said:

Kinda like a DK in mail or leather...

Click to expand...

Except it heals.

Click to expand...

Heals enough to be the healer, or heals like a DK heals himself?

Click to expand...

The data I was told about makes it sound like an Enhancement Shaman but with a different system to replace mana.

Like I said though, this was pulled from some early code some internet dude found, so it could all be a load of crap.

It just seems an odd way to do it. I'm not big into Warcraft other than WoW, but does it make any sense that a blademaster would be a dedicated healer? When I hear blademaster I think kick ass fighter swinging blades like a mad man killing shit.

Aug 11, 2009#378

HoboNinja

Shakey said:
CynicismKills said:

Shakey said:

Shegokigo said:

Except it heals.

Click to expand...

Heals enough to be the healer, or heals like a DK heals himself?

Click to expand...

The data I was told about makes it sound like an Enhancement Shaman but with a different system to replace mana.

Like I said though, this was pulled from some early code some internet dude found, so it could all be a load of crap.

Click to expand...

It just seems an odd way to do it. I'm not big into Warcraft other than WoW, but does it make any sense that a blademaster would be a dedicated healer? When I hear blademaster I think kick ass fighter swinging blades like a mad man killing shit.

They don't heal... they are kick ass blades swinging everywhere mofos but basically they made warriors into blademasters when they added their new move a couple patches ago... I dont remember what its called but its where they swing around with 2 swords.

Aug 11, 2009#379

ScytheRexx

DANEgerous said:
All orphans have been playable races to, the orphans that just came out are Wolvar and Gorlocks.

This was actually due to player pressure then anything else. We have been complaining for ages that Blizzard didn't add new pets for a new Northrend-based Children's Week. Since there were no new races added for WOTLK, they had to choose orphans from the pool of Northrend-based races, the Wolvar and Oracles being the best option.

Oh wait, did i just invalidate you evidence? yep i did.

You might have invalidated one out of dozens, good job! Still got a ways to go to actually invalidate enough to matter.

Also to update on this, both WoW.com and MMO-Champion confirm through "internal sources" that Goblin and Worgen are slated as the new races, and that it will be called "World of WarCraft: Cataclysm" Take it with a grain of salt, but both websites are very much tied with Blizzard these days, so much that is would be hard pressed to doubt them with such information, in the end though it will be down to Blizzard.

Other then that, everyone enjoying the new patch?

Aug 11, 2009#380

Shakey

The mounts are nice, haven't done anything with the tournament though. I got my druid up to 60 and trained for flying. Is it supposed to only cost 3g? I didn't have to train for the flying skill, so I'm wondering if something is off with it. Everyone else has to pay 500+g.

Aug 11, 2009#381

Shannow

Good lord, this thread is still going on? Just do what I said originally, wait until blizzcon, get the answer. Problem solved.

Aug 11, 2009#382

Shegokigo

ScytheRexx said:
Other then that, everyone enjoying the new patch?

Recently quit Alliance 25man Hard Mode raiding to go back to my "Warlord" on Horde (who was still level 60, wearing original Naxx and AQ40 gear) to join a more "hardcore casual" 10man raiding group of old raiders coming back to WoW.

Aug 11, 2009#383

ScytheRexx

I have been having a blast getting the new badges to gear out my tanking Paladin. That has been an experience.

One of the more interesting things I learned only partly involves WoW, just got confirmed that Ozzy Osbourne is going to play at BlizzCon in a closed concert to all attendees. I knew Ozzy played WoW and was actually more hardcore then I am when it comes to his playtime, but I never expected him to play a concert like BlizzCon. Call me excited, because I always was a fan of Ozzy.

http://www.blizzard.com/us/press/090811.html

Aug 11, 2009#384

Shegokigo

I'm more interested in the info about Icecrown having 31 raid bosses! :eek:

Gonna have fun with that on 10man.

Though this coincides with Blizzards new "delay the reset timer" for raids now.

Aug 11, 2009#385

CynicismKills

ScytheRexx said:
I have been having a blast getting the new badges to gear out my tanking Paladin. That has been an experience.

One of the more interesting things I learned only partly involves WoW, just got confirmed that Ozzy Osbourne is going to play at BlizzCon in a closed concert to all attendees. I knew Ozzy played WoW and was actually more hardcore then I am when it comes to his playtime, but I never expected him to play a concert like BlizzCon. Call me excited, because I always was a fan of Ozzy.

http://www.blizzard.com/us/press/090811.html

Well damn, that's awesome.

And yeah, enjoying the patch so far. Haven't done the 10 or 25 of the new raid, but the Heroic and 5 man is pretty fun. My only gripe is there needs to be a bit more downtime between the two phases of the Champion fight. I barely have time to go from a lance to my Titan's Grip weapons since I can't just use the Armory swap (it errors if you have a lance or fishing pole in your MH).

Aug 12, 2009#386

Shannow

Shegokigo said:
I'm more interested in the info about Icecrown having 31 raid bosses!

Gonna have fun with that on 10man.

Though this coincides with Blizzards new "delay the reset timer" for raids now.

I...cannot believe you actually believed that

Aug 12, 2009#387

Shegokigo

It made perfect sense and I was looking forward to it. Hearing that it's not true was a real bummer.

Aug 12, 2009#388

ScytheRexx

It always interested me, because I felt Icecrown would have given a huge chance for us to fight some older characters, maybe even more lore characters. The Lich King is an obvious fight, but what about the Spirit of Ner'zhul? Now with him being destroyed by Arthas inside the Lich King's mental landscape, Ner'zhul could be played out as a seperate spiritual entity similar to Mathias Lehner, only hostile. We have the obvious returning character like Saurfang Jr. and Bolvar Fordragon. If Blizzard really wanted to go nuts and tie in a few other the secondary storylines of WOTLK, they could have it so one of the dragon bosses is a ressurected Malygos.

Actually, Chris Metzen hinted in an interview that Arthas may steal the powers of Malygos following his death, gaining the energy of the Aspect of Magic and growing in might, and my own personal theory is that the Lich King will even absorb the powers of Yogg-Saron. What better way for the "Death God" to grow in power then consuming the true "Old God of Death"?

When I heard about the 31+ bosses, I though we would have a chance for a lot of those lore heavy fights, but now, looks like we going to have to trim down to the more respectable 14-15 bosses and figure them out from there. Really, as of right now, the only bosses confirmed for Icecrown are the Lich King and Syndragosa.

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